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Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 21, 2009 02:47AM)
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/07/20/2009-07-20_nyers_send_puppy_love_to_dogs_rescuer.html

So who was going to buy the five legged pup out there in Coney Island--better yet, who lost out to the do-gooders?

Update: further research indicates the pup was destined to go to Mr. Strong.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/07/20/2009-07-20_nyers_send_puppy_love_to_dogs_rescuer.html

From the article:

John Strong, the freak show proprietor in Coney Island, had already offered Owensby $3,000 and sent a $1,000 down payment, but Siegel convinced him to back out and sell her the puppy for $4,000.
"[Precious] wasn't a freak, she was just a dog born with five legs," Owensby told the Daily News. "My girlfriend decided she didn't want to see her in a freak show."
"Strong told us it was an amazing animal farm," Owensby said. "I don't think a dog should go to a freak show."
Strong invited Owensby to visit his "Freaks of Nature" museum on Surf Ave. to prove that he treats all the animals with respect - including the two-headed cow, Nosey Rosey, and the Siamese turtles, Pete and Repeat - but Owensby refused

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/19/2009-07-19_woman_saves_5legged_pup_from_freak_show.html#ixzz0LsWBkVLa
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 21, 2009 10:22AM)
Wow. The comments after the article are amazing--it seems the only possibility if the dog had gone to JS3's show (or any other, I would guess) is that it would be mistreated, abused, and humiliated. I doubt any of them has even seen the show.

How do they come to the conclusion that someone who displays a curiousity doesn't care about it?

When I adopted my 2-legged chihuahua, the foster owner said several times that she was glad he was going to someone who would love and care for the dog and not exploit it for its differences; I kept thinking, "Why can't I do both?"
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 21, 2009 11:08AM)
And have you?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jul 21, 2009 11:25AM)
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On 2009-07-21 11:22, Stephon wrote:
How do they come to the conclusion that someone who displays a curiosity doesn't care about it?
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Yeah...where did that notion come from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye4YTZOq2fk
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 21, 2009 11:50AM)
Yes, all beliefs about how the world works should be drawn from movies.

Harley, yes; he is a happy, healthy member of our 3 person, 4 dog family, and has been a big hit at his CMSS appearances.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 21, 2009 11:51AM)
Yeah, and the commenters probably never even heard of Junior before, much less known his history.
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 21, 2009 12:26PM)
So a five legged dog is to be saved and the hearts of humans are filled with unicorns and joy at the prospect of saving said animal from being Lucifer's Pet...so what about Zack and Mack, my two-headed turtle.

I am willing to let the human compassion fill my coffers for say, a quarter of a million or so... or maybe a quarter of a trillion... a million, a trillion, its all the same these days...
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 21, 2009 01:18PM)
Harley--acknowledged; however, the point is that while they don't know that JS3 is walking advertisement for systemic colonics, they *assume* that, because he runs a freakshow, that he is going to mistreat this dog. My reaction is not support for Junior, it is indignation at the knee-jerk punters and la-las out there who are saying how this dog was "rescued" from some horrible fate of being "gawked at". *shudder*

The word "exploit" keeps being thrown out there; people are offended that the freakshow guy is going to put the dog on display for people to stare at, and *gasp* make money off of it. But where is their outrage at show dog owners, agility dog owners, frisbee trick dog owners? They put their animals on display, to be gawked at by the public, and they hope to make money of it. But that's ok.

Further, I haven't heard or read one thing stating that the dog's fifth leg is a health risk, causes pain, or is a problem in any way for the dog; still, they're eager to cut it off, not because it's in the best interest of the dog, but because they're uncomfortable that he looks different. I consider that mutilation. But hey, at least it won't be "gawked at".

And Walker dismounts the soapbox and, yes! He stuck the landing!
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 21, 2009 01:40PM)
Well Stephon, that is my point exactly! I am willing to let my boys be "rescued" for a tidy profit... But then again, maybe not... I am kinda fond of their little green heads...
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 21, 2009 02:41PM)
Stephon, we agree. I have little tolerance for peta-ism. Though, thinking about it, it certainly affirms the success of their PR campaign. Anthropomorphism at its worst.

But we wouldn't want to accuse them of misrepresentation, would we? Especially in a discussion where you admit that a poor tiny defenseless little 2-legged chihuahua could be hit.
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 21, 2009 03:10PM)
But come to think about it. Strong entered into a contract with Owensby, to which Ownesby reneged. I think Mr. Strong has a case in Small Claims Court since Ownesby violated the contract.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 21, 2009 03:31PM)
This isn't a black and white discussion. It's very gray.

There's a big difference between sending money, and a contract. While many states uphold verbal agreements as contractual, enforcing those agreements is a different matter.

Every time my agents say "pencil in that date", it's a verbal agreement. Not all of them turn into jobs. Should I sue?

It's also an interstate deal, which makes it subject to federal law.

Aside from it being Junior, which guarantees that it's 100% suspect, there's still a lot we don't know.

(And I still think the peta-ites deserve words we're not allowed to use here.)
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 21, 2009 03:40PM)
Well, If he had already sent a grand, (according to the article), then I think he would have standing. If he just "promised" to send a down payment, then he would have no recourse. But its all moot, cause Mr. Strong was "convinced" to let Siegal buy the dog.

The whole thing stinks, especially after reading the comments to the articles...
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 21, 2009 03:45PM)
Yes. It all stinks.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 21, 2009 06:38PM)
Lumping these ignoramouses (ignoramice?) in with PETA is a compliment; as much as I dislike PETA, at least they're consistent in their wrong-headed condemnation of all types of animal ownership and display--these other douchcakes just jumped on the bandwagon without the slightest thought or consideration. There is nothing I despise more.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 21, 2009 07:23PM)
I think that too many people watched the movie "The Elephant Man" too many times. From that movie one comes away thinking that all sideshows (freakshows) mistreat their curiosities. That movie portrays these shows as dark and seedy affairs with no care for the people and animals in them. As far as I have been able to gather, the real Elephant Man was treated like royalty by his sideshow owner (the one in London, anyway). :devilish:
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 21, 2009 11:22PM)
If JS is USDA licensed...and Dogs normal or otherwise...are required to have a USDA Class III Exhibitor License....and He has a USDA Program of Veterinary Care (Also required)...and he has proper cages and transport Facility's...and He has aquistion records of his other animals (Required) and he has copies of Health Certificates at least every 30 days...and he has copies of prior Non-no compliance Documentation from his previous USDA scheduled Inspections...plus a daily Health-log on his animals on Hand....I would think he would have sufficient Federal evidence to show he would be a Good keeper for the Dog...However, I have NOT been to Coney to veiw his other animals...Perhaps someone who did could comment on the Living Conditions of his other animals...as this would give a better picture than just paperwork.....
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 21, 2009 11:33PM)
And Furthermore...I would NEVER show a "lIVE" deformed Dog or Cat for that matter..Being well versed in the USDA and AWA regs...not to mention the outcry from "Pet" owners...As I see it...The ONLY way to show a "LIVE" Dog or Cat would be to have a Luxury Travel Trailer with a glass side where the Public can veiw these critters relaxing on the couch wathing TV in air-conditioning...But, that's just me.....
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 22, 2009 02:44AM)
Curator wrote:

The ONLY way to show a "LIVE" Dog or Cat would be to have a Luxury Travel Trailer with a glass side where the Public can veiw these critters relaxing on the couch wathing TV in air-conditioning...


Now that is a SHOW!
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jul 22, 2009 12:26PM)
Oops....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/22/2009-07-22_peta_video_shows_ringing_bros_handlers_beating_elephants.html
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Jul 22, 2009 12:36PM)
There is this freak chap in the UK who eats lightbulbs, sets fire to himself, hammers nails in his head, swallows swords, lays on glass etc etc........everyone pays money to gauk at him,,,,,,,its a disgrace !




His name is Ken Dean,,,,poor bu@@er,,,,,no one gives a sh@t about him,,,even the RSPCA turned their back !

Ken.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 22, 2009 02:36PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-22 13:26, Eddie Garland wrote:
Oops....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/22/2009-07-22_peta_video_shows_ringing_bros_handlers_beating_elephants.html
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Oops!...For what?...I see no abuse...Obviously Folks have been conditioned to AR propaganda...Elephants are BIG animals...The question one should be asking is WHY these actions were taken...I am sure there was probable cause...PETA takes the stand on "No animals in the Circus" or any training of any animal for that matter...A bull-hook is a useful tool in elepahnt mgmt...If one were to look at a horse Bit or spurs and have No knowledge of their use one would presume they were cruel tools...
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 22, 2009 02:41PM)
Or a leash for a dog

or litterboxes for cats. We know they're a conspiracy, trying to keep some kind of sh*t out of sight!
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 22, 2009 02:54PM)
Or for example a "Hot-Shot" at a Rodeo...The AR likes to point out they cruely hit the stock with Tazers!...Which is False...A Hot-Shot is low voltage electricity designed to "Move" stock in a desired direction in a Humane way...Next time any of you are in a Farm and Ranch store...Walk over to the Hot-Shot (cattle prod) section and Zap yourself...I have done this to myself and my unsuspecting Brother on numerous occassions...Now consider I weigh 150 soaking wet..and all it does is make me go "Whew"...So imagine how a 2000lb bull reacts...Exactly!..it gets him headed in the right Direction...Nothing more..Nothing Less...The only concern I have for Folks on the "Café" if they do try it...It may end up in their Bedrooms....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 22, 2009 02:59PM)
Specifically, "Die Hard."

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On 2009-07-21 12:50, Stephon wrote:
Yes, all beliefs about how the world works should be drawn from movies.
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Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 22, 2009 03:05PM)
CU The Pillager,
RE: "Hot Shots."
I had a long argument with the folks over at SHARK about this same thing. They also make some ridiculous claims about the cinch strap, saying that it squeezes the test trickles. Funny enough, it doesn't go anywhere near the oysters in question. That doesn't deter SHARK's anti-rodeo crusade though.
Those guys are criminals. Literally. Look it up. I have collected lots of fun quotes and juvenille insults from their leader Steve and others of their staff.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 22, 2009 03:25PM)
Yes I am familiar with "SHARK"...I believe their Leader "Steve" is tryin to Become the Ingrid Newkirk of Rodeo..IE: Develop his own Cash Cow....Whether PETA or SHARK...Their goal is not Animal Welfare...But Propaganda...to line their pockets....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 22, 2009 03:27PM)
Don't get me started on PETA.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 22, 2009 03:33PM)
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On 2009-07-22 16:27, critter wrote:
Don't get me started on PETA.
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Fair enough..Whats your take on ALF (animal liberation Front)...They are classified as Domestic Terrorists by the FBI...AND have been proven to be subsidised by PETA in a court of Law...YET, for some unknown reason the Court system won't revoke Peta's 501c3 Non=profit status....
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jul 22, 2009 03:45PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-22 15:41, Harley Newman wrote:
Or a leash for a dog

or litterboxes for cats. We know they're a conspiracy, trying to keep some kind of sh*t out of sight!
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Dang Harley --- WHY oh WHY were you not over hear last year when we first gor our cat .... may be you could have conviinced him that the idea of the litter box was to keep the sh!t out of sight! Rather than flicked out of the tray and on to the floor behind himself! Well I guess it was out of his sight!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 22, 2009 03:45PM)
Alright, I'll start on PETA...
PETA shelters have a euthenasia rate of 90%. The national average is 14%. Love animals much? No you don't, PETA!
Their leader Ingrid said on multiple ocassions that she wished U.S. cattle would contract such diseases as "Hoof and Mouth," and "Mad cow disease."
Death is better than captivity, donchaknow?
Of course, vegetarianism is the best lifestyle because the animals killed by farming combines and left to rot are less worthy than the ones who are actually eaten and made into usefull goods, like whips and stuff.
ALF? They need to go back to Melmac.
"Extensional self-defense?" How about you defend the animals that PETA kills in their shelters, Steven?
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 22, 2009 03:56PM)
Yes sir Critter...Don't cha Love it when they are against Animal Research until they are on their death bed needing a treatment devoloped thru animal research...And by the way most researchers are willing to give up using animals...when a better way is avaiable, which I think everyone would aggree with.....just always isn't the case....I love the old statement "If hooking a car Battery to a Monkeys head will save 750,000 people from a rare disease...I have ONLY 2 things to say to Animal Activists...RED is Positive...Black is Negative!!"
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jul 23, 2009 11:04AM)
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On 2009-07-22 15:54, The Curator of the Unusual wrote:
The only concern I have for Folks on the "Café" if they do try it...It may end up in their Bedrooms....
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And they come in such bright lovely colors!
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/products.asp?cid=2&bid=1&area=&browselist=494&dept_id=495&c=&sort=&r=1

there is a routine for you here Harley. :)
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 11:50AM)
I've been cogitating about prods, for years. I just haven't found the right shape of story. But I will.