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Topic: Hate Mail!!!
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 08:42AM)
Since the 5 legged dog thing, I've been receiving a lot of Hate Mail.

I'm going to post it here with the folks name and email address if anyone wants to share their feeling with the HATERS!!!!

Sir,

I can't understand why your photo isn't displayed with those of the animals because you are the biggest freak of all.

Jeff Baxter novastreams@yahoo.ca



You Worthless Freak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREAK
YOU!!!!!

FREAK

YOU! YOU! YOU! YOU! YOU!

FREAK!! FREAK!! FREAK!! FREAK!!

Eric V. Clarke ericv.clarke@gmail.com



Freak found -- Look in a mirror!
Geoffrey Martin geoffreymartin55@gmail.com


You are disgusting & the filth of the Earth.

John Anderson wizudree@yahoo.com


The true freaks are the sub-humans that exploit these poor animals!!! I, like many of my friends will continue to boycott and work against people like you.

mishgilp@hotmail.com

More to come, ENJOY
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jul 23, 2009 08:56AM)
I posted something over on the Yahoo sideshow group and I am going to post it here as well. What John Robinson just posted here supports my position. And Sideshows by the Seashore has also been deluged with negative calls and emails. By the way, the John mentioned below is John Strong and not John Robinson:

It is a no win situation. Geo. M. Cohan stated that there is no such thing as
bad publicity, but that is a lie. The media is very biased.

They have to tell a story and the story they are telling this time is a rehash
of the old inaccurate Elephant Man tale: A poor helpless creature is being saved
from abuse and exploitation in a freakshow by some noble do-gooder. It is
amazing that no one in the media is pointing up the fact that the dog owner
broke a contract. And John is being painted as a villian. He has been judged
by the media and in doing so they have also painted with broad stroked an image
of the sideshow industry as something negative.

The problem is that this story falls under the catergory of human interest and
since it doesn't really impact the lives of the public at large, there is no
depth in the reporting. No one is really investigating all sides of this story.
It is just easier to go with the story angle as it has been reported. Members
of the media might be calling and wanting to do interviews, but they won't want
to change the slant of it all. It is ultimately a small story and not worth
their time to get it right.

(And as for exploitation, someone got paid for those pictures of the dog. And
who else is making a buck off of the dog?)

And the problem is that people will be outraged at John (and the whole sideshow
industry by association), and what do people do when they are outraged? They
protest and/or look to the government to "do something about this". That makes
it a nuisance for the police and others in charge. That's when pressure is
applied and life gets tough, even though the parties being lean upon did nothing
wrong.

It will bring attention to John (and the rest of the industry) that might make
an extra quick buck, but it is heat and no real good will come of it.

Todd
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 09:19AM)
Thanks Todd, AGREE,

Here's another HATER!!!!!

You should be ashamed...

...for putting this John Strong creature on your site. No animal-group
protests, he says. There are now!
http://www.sideshowworld.com/interviewJohnStrong1.html

This sorry excuse needs to get over the five-legged puppy...not going
to happen. EVER!

gsprinkle@aol.com
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Jul 23, 2009 09:44AM)
This is a sad sad thing.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Jul 23, 2009 09:48AM)
In other news, you'll be able to see Rocky the happy and healthy 5 legged K-9 on the Dog Whisperer on July 31st.

Cesar Milan loves freakshows!
Message: Posted by: MagiciennesUnlimited (Jul 23, 2009 09:52AM)
Very sad indeed.

Man.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jul 23, 2009 10:06AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 10:48, Freak Prodigy wrote:
In other news, you'll be able to see Rocky the happy and healthy 5 legged K-9 on the Dog Whisperer on July 31st.

Cesar Milan loves freakshows!
[/quote]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they pull that episode and shelve it until all of this blows over.

The irony of another situation is that those elephant handlers at Ringling use the same technique that Cesar Milan uses on dogs. The difference is that Cesar is a hero and those guys are "abusers". Funny the way the media works.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Jul 23, 2009 10:17AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 11:06, Todd Robbins wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 10:48, Freak Prodigy wrote:
In other news, you'll be able to see Rocky the happy and healthy 5 legged K-9 on the Dog Whisperer on July 31st.

Cesar Milan loves freakshows!
[/quote]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they pull that episode and shelve it until all of this blows over.

[/quote]

Oh, please don't say that.

I don't think this episode could come at a better time, Cesar has millions of followers, if he say's it is good, then it is golden. It may alleviate the current situation.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 23, 2009 10:28AM)
Sorry you have to deal with these brainless, reactionary, stupid ***holes. It should blow over pretty soon.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 10:47AM)
This is a publicist's dream, especially if they have a mission.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 11:23AM)
I received this question a few years ago, at that time I posted it with my responce on Sideshow World.

Thought you may find it interesting.

Enjoy

John the "Knuckle Dragger" Robinson

Sideshow World




Concerns for the 6 Legged Calf

I am writing to you out of concern for the 6 legged calf which you recently purchased for your "freak show."

I personally find it offensive and outrageous that shows like yours, which put unfortunate animals on display for profit, are still inexistence.

It's proof that we have a whole lot more evolving to do, as a species, that you can still make a quick buck from people who are interested in seeing things like this. If humans want to go on exhibit, and pound nails through their tongues, ok. But the animals in your show were not given a choice, and it's downright despicable to use them like you are.

That calf deserves humane treatment, and should have the extra legs amputated so that he can live a healthy, relatively normal life.

Having six legs does not make him special--it just makes his life harder. How would you like to lug around two useless appendages for a lifetime? Don't you guys have a heart?

Please, consider taking pictures of the calf the way he is now, and then helping the little guy out by having the legs removed. A whole lot of people would think better of you for it.

Sincerely,

SW Hsu


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi SW Hsu,

First let me put your mind at ease, I'm not the one who bought the 6 legged calf. It was a misprint in the article.

Second if a showman had purchased the calf it would live a better life than becoming meat for your table.

The animals that are exhibited on the Midways of America are very well taken care of. They have the best health care, eat a well balanced diet and are loved by their care gives.

Sure they are exhibited for a profit, but a lot of animals are. Zoos, Movie Production Companies, etc, etc, use animals for show. Animal preserves and Zoos work hard to keep some species from going extinct.

Others who use animals for profit, uses them for meat, clothing, bi-products for all kind of consumables.

So may I suggest to you visit a show that exhibits animals, freak and others, talk with their care givers ask the same questions you've ask here. I know you will find their owners loving and take very good care of them. That their health and other needs are met.

I thank you for your concerns,

The little 6 legged calf, without the other two appendages, may have ended up on a bun.

Now it will have a life time of fame and fortune in Show Business.

John Robinson

Sideshow World
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 11:52AM)
I'd bet the guy took his kids to a petting zoo.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 11:57AM)
Just got off the phone with a reporter from the New York Times,

Spent about an hour trying to give her some info about what really goes
on with the animals and how well they are taken care of.

She sounded like she is going to try and cover both sides.

We shall see,

Everyone and their news agencies are trying to get in on the five legged dog.

Exploitation or what.

It will be interesting to see how they spin my conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John
Sideshow World
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 23, 2009 12:02PM)
After working in the Elephant Business for most of my Carreer...I am well versed in the Media and AR groups as far as animals...When this story of JS and the 5-legged dog Broke...I knew nothing Good would come from it...JS made a mistake when he even let it out he was purchasing a 5-legged dog...He should of just paid for the dog when he picked it up and ran with it Low Keyed...especialy since I know his tract record with Animals...However he didn't, Why one might ask, because he craves Publicity and wanted to show Todd Ray he too had a 5-legged Dog and could gather Media attention on par in his little Brain like Todd did with The Dog Whisperer...Well now that he has threatened to sue in the News...I expect Everyone with SS Animals to recieve visits from the USDA and be inspected due to pressure from the AR...The SS has pretty much run under the Radar as far as the AR is concerned..Until Now...Dogs and cats hit a strong chord with most Folks...that is why I will never show a live one unless I display it in the trailer I described in a previous post...Cows and sheep are primarily "Food and Fiber" production animals and it is a strong argument that if they were not with the Sideshow they would of ended up for Dog food...I spend a great deal of Money on my animals as far as Pens, Hay , Food, Vets, Ect. The BCS also keeps USDA paperwork just like I did for Elephants my Permit Book and Record keeping fills a large 3 ring Binder...and Ihave Health Certificates on Hand from the last 3 years...even tho the AWA/USDA Handbook states "the Industry Standard for Farm animals is all that is Required"..I Hope JS has gone the extra mile, However I have Doubts...One reason I switched from Elephants to the Sideshow was cause it really grew old waking up in the Morning "Being made to feel like I was a Criminal" not to mention having to spend untold Thousands of Dollars on frivolous Lawsuits to defend my profession...Hopefully this Blows over...As I have niether the time or money to re-live new Battles with the AR and Mainstream Media, not to mention I'm getting old and running out of options as far as a Lively Hood...and I thought Keeping JS penned up in Coney would be Good....Silly Me....
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jul 23, 2009 12:47PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 10:52, MagiciennesUnlimited wrote:
Very sad indeed.

Man.
[/quote]

Dude that is not sad its great that Cesar Milan loves freakshows!

Oh you mean the haters!


How about if the dog was left in a bag and tossed in to the river? How would they react then? (Or would this post be in teh all tied up section).

It is sad - I hope John is keeping his spirits up?

All the best

Dave
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jul 23, 2009 12:53PM)
Dogs can also be used for food stuff! Or is that just what I heard on TV some time?
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 01:02PM)
I've never heard of the AR people trying to change the diet of China. They eat dogs there. And tiger parts, which fuels the decline of the species.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 23, 2009 01:36PM)
John, I hope the reporter gives balanced, and honest, coverage of your interview, but sadly, I'm not counting on it.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jul 23, 2009 01:49PM)
AR news sells...and the AR loves their name in the News...translating into BIG Donations....The "Plight of the Elephant" raises more $$$ for PETA and like groups, than ALL other species COMBINED!...Mainly, because Circuses do not have a lot of money and No National orginazation to Fight against the Millions PETA has...The SS is a even looser knit group...I don't believe the SS will overtake The Elephant in Donations...But I do Believe they (AR) will milk it for every last cent they can...and the Media in the Good Ole USA is into 'Makin Money" not nessasarily Reporting Truthfull News....The really Sad part is that JS#3 is most likely enjoying all this attention, Rather than realising the potential Harm this could cause..."The Whisperer" with Todd Ray was a HUGE positive...Now we see the opposite with "The Buffoon".....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 23, 2009 02:18PM)
You think that's fun? Check out the hatemail this young girl gets for publishing human performers' histories: http://phreeque.tripod.com/
Here's a direct link to the hatemail: http://phreeque.tripod.com/hatemail.html
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 03:25PM)
She's been doing that site, for a long time. Great stuff! I love her responses.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 23, 2009 04:00PM)
It's been in my faves for a long time :)
I stumbled upon it years ago trying to learn more about Eck.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jul 23, 2009 05:54PM)
It couldn't come at a better time for the sideshow but it couldn't come at a worse time for NatGeo. I would think that they would want to distance themselves from this whole affair.

Todd

[quote]
On 2009-07-23 11:17, Freak Prodigy wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 11:06, Todd Robbins wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 10:48, Freak Prodigy wrote:
In other news, you'll be able to see Rocky the happy and healthy 5 legged K-9 on the Dog Whisperer on July 31st.

Cesar Milan loves freakshows!
[/quote]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they pull that episode and shelve it until all of this blows over.

[/quote]

Oh, please don't say that.

I don't think this episode could come at a better time, Cesar has millions of followers, if he say's it is good, then it is golden. It may alleviate the current situation.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 05:57PM)
I was stopped by a few AR folks when Ringing Brothers was in SLC this past year.

Signs and all, I took a few images of the folks, thinking about changing their signs to eat meat but never did.

It will be interesting to see how the reporter spins my words.

I receive a lot of emails about freak this and freak that, how dare I, but this AM I had several. Thinking of adding a new section to Sideshow World, any suggestion for a name?

We will see what's next.

I was ask what I thought of JS, and if I know anyone that could verify what kind of sideshow JS runs and what kind of follow was he???????

Sideshow World
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jul 23, 2009 06:07PM)
And did you tell them all the things he's bragged about?

For the new section...how about Animals Rule!
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 06:11PM)
No I told them to talk to JS.
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 23, 2009 06:36PM)
Zack and Mack are taking this all in with great interest. The Boys will be celebrating their second birthday during the Oregon State Fair. The fair had me come up with some promo stuff for their publicity/marketing dept. We shall see what happens.

The boys say they want a bike for their birthday, but so far Mom has said no.

I wonder if the AR folks will pitch in for a bike for Zack and Mack?
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jul 23, 2009 06:55PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-23 18:57, Utah_Showman wrote:
Thinking of adding a new section to Sideshow World, any suggestion for a name?

[/quote]

Beefs.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 07:59PM)
I like Beefs
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 08:08PM)
I guess I will have to put up with this HATER for awhile. NOT!!

Better yet, I will email JS direct with this guys email address,

I have edited, for the weak of heart.

More to come, I'm sure this guy won't be happy when he sees his name
email and contact info on Sideshow World.

John Strong is a f-king scumbag

Hey a-hole tell your buddy that he is a scumbag. Enjoy my daily email for a while or better yet give me Johns email and phone number and Ill tell him myself.

From: Stan Entis - stantaentis@yahoo.com
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 23, 2009 11:54PM)
Thanks for the name of the news section on Sideshow World
http://www.sideshowworld.com/thstgod-Beefs.html
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Jul 24, 2009 09:08AM)
John, drop it. Just go to ground until this blows over. You're hurting all of us.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 24, 2009 11:43AM)
New section looks great.

Ringmaster, I assume you were addressing John Strong?
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 01:00PM)
I do not think the "Beefs" section is a good idea.
I do not see it as adding anything worth while to SSW.

These nuts love to see their names in the headlines.
I won't give them a forum.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 01:39PM)
Rick,

I've been thinking about that, that's why I changed the page from just posting that stuff about the 5 legged dog to an entry page.

I get a lot of other stuff, most of the time I just try to educate the person.

I think I may post the emails without names and contact info. and post along with them a response to the heat, something like what I did at the top of the 5 legged dog page.

Feedback wanted?

John
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 01:51PM)
Here's the link to the New York Times article,

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/the-5-legged-puppy-and-other-sideshow-tales/?scp=1&sq=sideshow&st=cse
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 01:55PM)
That's a pretty decent write up. I would be helpful if the stories
continued along those lines.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Jul 24, 2009 02:21PM)
Yes...Finally an article of reason.
Glad there is finally someone who isn't just going for the sensationalist angle.
Nice representaion Mr. Robinson.
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 02:30PM)
When I visited with the reporter, I really wanted her to be fair and state facts.

I spent a lot of time visiting about the show world.

I have been a little worried how they would spin the article.

But it's been the best article I've read to this point.

I think JS did a good job and didn't gaff himself to much.

John
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 02:30PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-24 14:39, Utah_Showman wrote:
Rick,

I've been thinking about that, that's why I changed the page from just posting that stuff about the 5 legged dog to an entry page.

I get a lot of other stuff, most of the time I just try to educate the person.

I think I may post the emails without names and contact info. and post along with them a response to the heat, something like what I did at the top of the 5 legged dog page.

Feedback wanted?

John
[/quote]

Sideshow World presents a postive view of the outdoor show business. I do not think these negative beefs have a place there. Let them post their rants somewhere else.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 02:31PM)
Thanks Rick,
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 02:33PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-24 15:30, Utah_Showman wrote:
When I visited with the reporter, I really wanted her to be fair and state facts.

I spent a lot of time visiting about the show world.

I have been a little worried how they would spin the article.

But it's been the best article I've read to this point.

I think JS did a good job and didn't gaff himself to much.

John
[/quote]

This is how the matter should have been handled from the start. Good job John R.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 02:36PM)
The Beef section isn't live on Sideshow World yet.

I was going to post it later today.

I will hold off.

I agree with Rick about Sideshow World needing to be postive.

John
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 02:58PM)
Does anyone think Beefs could be used to educate and be a positive section on Sideshow World?

John
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Jul 24, 2009 03:05PM)
I think it could...Kind of like a FAQ.
Find the most common complaints, clean them up so they aren't as much of a rant and then address the issues presented.
Worth a shot!
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 03:07PM)
Thanks Gwyd,
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 03:11PM)
I've received a couple more Hates want to share them.

Hope they get a chance to read the NYT article.

John



What a deplorable individual and company you are. I hope you all rot in hell. Leave the dog alone -- she has a home and will be loved -- don't you abuse, neglect, and profit off of enough other animals.

You are truly a sick individual. Your comment about sewing the leg to the pup's forehead only compounds the fact how sick you are. You have underestimated the adoration people have for animals in general, let alone, pups like Lily. I am sure you will hear from people worldwide who dislike you. You will get your's in the end when you meet your maker -- which for sure won't be the one upstairs.

Sharon Brown

Dear Mr. Strong.

I just read about you trying to obtain the puppy that was born with a 5th legwhich has since been removed.

Why don't you just leave the the owner and her puppy alone. I intend to send her a donation to keep her puppy.

Shame on you.

Regards Millie
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 03:28PM)
Yes, by all means...keep those donations coming in for the lady that
"Saved the Puppy from the Freak Show"...

I'm sure all the AR groups are making mileage off this story.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 03:48PM)
Maybe I can get her to donate to Sideshow World.

It would help to keep it alive in cyber space.

I promise not to cut anything off of anything, and
definitely won't sew anything back on.
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 04:01PM)
John..you forgot to put a pitch for SSW in the newspaper article.
Get on the ball man. And anyone who sends in a beef ought to get a
donation request from SSW as a reply.
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 24, 2009 04:15PM)
I visited with that reporter for around an hour, I ask her if she would link to Sideshow World and mention the site.

There was so much more we visited about, I suggested over and over that she may want to take a different approach to her article than the others.

I was a little worried about the spin, all in all it was a good article. It is about JS's show and not Sideshow World.

I was hoping for a positive approach and more fact than fiction.

John

Rick

Great Idea,

I will draw something up for those AR folks.
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 24, 2009 04:24PM)
I was kidding ya about the SSW donation pitch for the newspaper article.
I think you handled it correctly.

I would love to hear the AR folks response when they receive a SSW donation request!!!
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jul 24, 2009 05:42PM)
Pretty good article. I wish it had focused more on correcting the public's misimpressions about animal shows, and less on taking the heat off JS3, but it was much better than the other crap that's been published. The most encouraging thing is that the comments are much more balanced.

As for the Beefs forum, I think it's good that SSW portrays a positive image, but I agree with Gwyd that the page could be a good way to correct some of the wrong ideas that people have about sideshow. Beefs are part of the world of sideshow, and I'm not sure acting like they don't happen is necessarily a positive. Plus, it would be a great way to expose some of the protestors from the ingoramuses they are.
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 24, 2009 06:26PM)
John, I thank you for going to bat for all of us out there showing our two headed turtles, roosters and pigs in a blanket...

As for the Beef section... Maybe you can take the worst ones and hoist them up like Keith Obermann as the "Worst People In The World" Have some fun with them and THEN send out the SSW Donation form...
Message: Posted by: Rick West (Jul 25, 2009 01:29PM)
And while they're at it, let's not forget The Jerry Springer Show!
(If it is still on...I won't know.)
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 25, 2009 03:02PM)
Maury, Oprah, America's Got Talent, Red Eye, WHY NOT???????????????????

Maury will find out who's your daddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Dog Whisper can visit with the 4 legged pup which once had five
legs and find out the little gal really wanted to keep her extra appendage.

Well, We tried?????????????????????????
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna/1 (Jul 25, 2009 05:25PM)
This is getting way to weird, and well, freaky... Judge, Judy? Maury? Jerry Springer? Its turning into a Sideshow!...Oh, it already is...
Message: Posted by: Utah_Showman (Jul 25, 2009 11:12PM)
You could frame a show around it.

If the Weekly World News was still around, they won't believe it!