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Topic: LIAM MONTIER'S 'ANIMAL BANDS' - BOOKLET & RUBBER BANDS
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 28, 2009 09:20AM)
The talented Mr. Montier is at it again!

http://www.bigblindmediausa.com/animalbandsusa.htm

The ad:

Animal Bands is a collection of effects and routines using some very special rubber bands.

It includes a full colour booklet, two full length routines, a collection of crazy ideas and a bag of 12 specially made rubber bands.

Imagine being able to… produce rabbits, elephants and giraffes in closeup!

Reveal predictions in a new and offbeat way.

Twist animal shapes out of elastic bands instead of balloons. And more!

With these amazing little props (that take up virtually NO pocket space), you’ll soon be coming up with your OWN routines.
Message: Posted by: baou1986 (Jul 29, 2009 07:25AM)
I will not get this man stuff after watch his The Wicked World of Liam Montier video,,it is terrible .
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jul 29, 2009 07:32AM)
Wicked world was a wicked set of Dvd's but only the tip of the iceburg. Liam's magic is very cool, simple and slick. Check out his effect Superstition.

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jul 29, 2009 09:07AM)
I don't get it, are they rubberbands that you can make shapes out of?
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jul 29, 2009 09:33AM)
They are PreShaped bands Rpascual. When your stretch them, they look like normal bands. slowely loosen them stretch and they visably morph into an animal. It's a very cool effect. Liam has a similar effect called Landmark which uses famous landmarks around the worlds and the same sort of bands in the shape of landmarks.

Best

Jamie
Message: Posted by: davidpeters (Jul 29, 2009 11:36AM)
We will have these available soon too so you can get it at your favorite magic store world wide.

Rubber bands are coming in many shapes these days.
these are animals
you can also get hearts, stars and more!
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (Jul 30, 2009 11:01AM)
I have one of the animal bands booklets from Blackpool. Really good ideas and I use it a lot in my restaurant work. his Wicked world DVd was great, as have been all his DVD's.
Message: Posted by: Paul Romhany (Jul 30, 2009 07:46PM)
Hi all
I should chip in here as he has RIPPED OFF MY version!!! Over a year and a half ago I released internationally a routine called Animal Bands (the SAME name) using the exact same rubber bands. I don't mind somebody coming out with different ideas but to use the EXACT same name of my DVD that was sold worlwide just doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can think is that this guy did NOT do any research to see that my version by the same name was released a long time ago.
This upsets me when these young guys start doing this type of thing. There is no respect for many anymore and it really upsets me. I see why so many of the older pros tell me they will never release any of their pet routines - simply to have it ripped off.

I don't have this young kids email so haven't been able to contact him personally but have been in touch with Murphys who wholesale it and also Big Blind Media to let them know about what has happened.

Note - my version comes with a DVD and the rubber bands. If you are going to take my ideas then PLEASE at least give me *** credit!!

My version has sold in almost every country including over 500 in the UK alone. This has been on going for the past year and has been a big seller for me. To have somebody take income from me like this is unthinkable and serious act is going to be taken.
Paul Romhany
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 30, 2009 08:33PM)
Perhaps Paul and Liam can be put in touch with each other and communicate in private and come and report to us a resolution.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jul 30, 2009 09:21PM)
Paul,

I know Liam pretty well. The last thing he is is a thief. He is a very creative magician who is also very well versed in magic. I think this is simply a mistake. I don't think he was aware of your dvd. Frankly, I had a hard time finding it. It's only sold in one store here in the US (Hocus Pocus) . The title is the same but I doubt he stole the content. To imply that he stole your idea and your title is jumping the gun a bit.

It sounds like you put one routine on the dvd. Liam's booklet contains several routines (how many I don't know as I don't have the book). If any of his routines are similar to yours, I don't know. I suppose we'll find out soon enough, though.

Why not talk to Liam about this first before posting in a nasty way on the Café? I'm sure this could have been resolved privately. I still hope it is.
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jul 30, 2009 10:49PM)
The booklet contains 6 routines with additional Notes and Ideas. I too searched the DVD and could not find it. Liam is also not the only one to put out ideas with these bands. There has been a more recent product called Animal Sense that was released by Alan Wong I believe. The only difference there is it comes with printed animal cards. Also, Liam isn't just coming out with this. This has been available for a long time through his website. But it is for you and him to work out. I really don't think Liam would have not credited you if he knew that your product even existed.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 31, 2009 12:02AM)
I remember your dvd coming out. I also remember sending details of it to liam as I already had his anaimals manuscript. I think hes beat you to it mate

Alan
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 31, 2009 12:05AM)
I don't know where you guys are searching at but, I just googled "Paul Romhany animal bands" and a whole page of results came up including Paul's website.

Sounds like just an oversite to me. But I have to admit it was not to hard to find it.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jul 31, 2009 02:52AM)
I living in the UK have never come across the dvd in question. I've shopped at the Four largest shops in the UK including Davenports, International and MagicCave and have never com across the DVD. Liam has had this in the works for quite some time and sent me the book a long time before it was released.

If anything it was a misunderstanding. Liam is not one to "rip people off". I think it is the wrong way to go around the situation by shouting of on the Café. It's incredibly unfair to Liam.

Best,

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (Jul 31, 2009 04:10AM)
Yes Comedy. Liam released an older version of this a couple of years ago so maybe it is you that should do your research before accusing someone of being a thief.
Message: Posted by: Liam Montier (Jul 31, 2009 06:43AM)
Thanks to everyone for posting and supporting me here.

I hope people can understand my frustration at having to read Paul Romhany's post, when I had this on sale first. All that rubbish about youngsters not having respect for creators, when his DVD came out AFTER my original product.

Alan sent me the link to Pauls DVD when it came out - I didn't email him about his product because I had no problem with it being on the market. In fact, Big Blind Media (who have re-released my original booklet) even held theirs off the market so we weren't competing with Alan Wong and Paul.

Therefore, it strikes me as an outrage to then claim that I stole his routine in a rambling, disrespectful post on a public forum.

Liam.
Message: Posted by: Paul Romhany (Jul 31, 2009 06:54AM)
Liam, I apologise for jumping the gun here. I did try and contact you via Blnd Media but they did not answer my email which fueled my anger.
I am very protective about the material I release and my DVD and bands have been a big selling item for me since I released it. You can imagine my shock when I see Animal Bands on magic sites.
I toured with this in 2004 during my lectures and sold it as notes until finally putting it out on DVD a year and a half ago. Alan Wong contacted me to let me know he was producing his version.

I was wrong in being hot headed and I for that I am sorry.

Regards
Paul Romhany
Message: Posted by: John Carey (Jul 31, 2009 07:36AM)
Animals with rubber bands? The mind boggles.....
Message: Posted by: StarGazer (Aug 7, 2009 09:16PM)
Hi guys,

Great minds think alike! I believe Paul, Liam and me all see the instant potentials for magic with the animal rubber bands when they came out on the market many years ago created by Japanese designers yumiko ohashi & masanori haneda. It has been around for over 10 years in Asia and a novelty item in most office supply stores.

The timing and naming coincidences would be indeed a big misdirection where we were all fooled by ourselves. Last year my Magic Doodle Pen came out 2 weeks before Matthew Bich's Exile and I had no idea he had this item. The effect is 95% the same and we use totally different pens and chemicals. Good that mine came out first otherwise people will surely think I copied his trick.
Last month I have released my Souvenir Linking LoverBands 2 months after Paul Harris' Souvenir Linking Rubberbands. Paul and I actually came up with the same idea and succeeded in producing the permanently linked bands at the same time. Except mine are hearts and his are USA #19 normal bands. We have shaken hands and agreed not to compete head to head and I waited a few months to release mine with Paul's support and his expert advice. We can all go for win-win. My SLL is selling very well on its own and so is Paul's.

I respect and have bought both Liam and Paul's work and enjoy them. I am glad this forum provides a magical space to clarify facts and seek understanding and build relationships so we can all advance together.

BTW, there was another thread about someone claiming as original creator of my 1999 invention Stargazer. I hope it is another misunderstanding too.

Alan
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Aug 8, 2009 01:50AM)
I really like the thicker bands used for the animal shaped bands. I do not think these are made of rubber but some other material. Do they also make the star shape out of this same type of material?
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Aug 8, 2009 02:23PM)
No the other shaped bands are made from normal rubber. . .The only problem I have with the material is if your chubby like me, you cant put them around your wrist or they snap haha!
Message: Posted by: Salby (Sep 1, 2009 06:22PM)
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Any other ideas with these?

The ideas that are included with the package are NOT anything to gawk about at all. For instance, one effect incorporates the aged-old effect with "No gray elephants in Denmark" and the rubber band becomes an Elephant... Nothing earth-shattering :(

In fact, I think the effects are all terrible.

I bought them because I do rubber band magic and feel that there is strong potential with these... I'm sure there are.

I love the STARGAZER effect (NOT in this package) where you twist the rubber band into a "Star" and then the rubber band forms the shape of a star permanently.

I thought, perhaps, he would show a trick or 2 that you can twist a rubber band into an animal and then the rubber band becomes that animal permanently... I'd be so lucky.

So does anyone have ideas with these rubber bands??
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Message: Posted by: Liam Montier (Sep 1, 2009 07:38PM)
Hi Salby,

I think you should try some of the routines out, I use the non-maths version of the Denmark trick pretty much constantly. I find that revealing the shape of the band in either the Denmark or the Pet Modelling routine to be killer, as it is so unexpected.

The advertising blurb is pretty clear anyway, but just to let folks know and avoid confusion, all the routines are very straight-forward, and have, for me at least, been great. There is nothing like Alan Wong's Stargazer included - simply because that's Alan Wong's idea (and a STORMER at that).

I've also had some wicked contributions for ideas with the Animal Bands, and at some point a bonus PDF for owners of the original booklet will be available as well - I'll keep you folks updated on that.

Be cool,

Liam.
Message: Posted by: DanGarrett (Sep 2, 2009 11:44PM)
Liam, Paul Romhany, Alan Wong and all,
There are many minds thinking alike with such a great prop as a set of animal-shaped rubber bands. Almost 10 years ago, my friend in Atlanta, Gary Vaughn, came up with a fabulous routine using these rubber bands, and offered the routine to me to market and publish. I was planning to market the routine under the name of "ZOOdle" but as things happen, with trouble sourcing the bands and animal cards in mass quantities, I put it on the back burner. Now I've been burned, as it's too late to market this effect. And I had to tell poor Gary that I had now seen effects with the animal bands on the market. Gary has no claim on being the first to come up with an effect (great effect) with the animal bands, other than my word that he did.
It was a wonderful close-up mental effect for kids, which in itself is very rare, that restaurant workers would love. You need a set of animal cards with cartoons (or even photos) of animals. A rolled-up parchment held with a rubber band is your 'prediction.' Any force of the animal card and the parchment is unrolled. It's blank, but the shape of the rubber band is the prediction. What makes this really wonderful is that it can be performed for very young kids (who can't understand card tricks) and there is NO language barrier at all. I have no idea if this is similar to any of Paul's or Liam's ideas or not. You'll have to let me know.
As with the heat-sensitive ink pens and other things that come on the market as novel items... well, when they inspire magicians to think of magical effects with them, we have to expect inevitable duplication of thinking...
Just my thought...
Message: Posted by: DanGarrett (Sep 2, 2009 11:48PM)
Oh, I never tried the 'Gray Elephants in Denmark' on ANYONE, because the first time I tried it for my wife, she thought of an ELK!
Message: Posted by: DanGarrett (Sep 2, 2009 11:48PM)
Liam, Paul Romhany, Alan Wong and all,
There are many minds thinking alike with such a great prop as a set of animal-shaped rubber bands. Almost 10 years ago, my friend in Atlanta, Gary Vaughn, came up with a fabulous routine using these rubber bands, and offered the routine to me to market and publish. I was planning to market the routine under the name of "ZOOdle" but as things happen, with trouble sourcing the bands and animal cards in mass quantities, I put it on the back burner. Now I've been burned, as it's too late to market this effect. And I had to tell poor Gary that I had now seen effects with the animal bands on the market. Gary has no claim on being the first to come up with an effect (great effect) with the animal bands, other than my word that he did.
It was a wonderful close-up mental effect for kids, which in itself is very rare, that restaurant workers would love. You need a set of animal cards with cartoons (or even photos) of animals. A rolled-up parchment held with a rubber band is your 'prediction.' Any force of the animal card and the parchment is unrolled. It's blank, but the shape of the rubber band is the prediction. What makes this really wonderful is that it can be performed for very young kids (who can't understand card tricks) and there is NO language barrier at all. I have no idea if this is similar to any of Paul's or Liam's ideas or not. You'll have to let me know.
As with the heat-sensitive ink pens and other things that come on the market as novel items... well, when they inspire magicians to think of magical effects with them, we have to expect inevitable duplication of thinking...
Just my thought...
Message: Posted by: DanGarrett (Sep 3, 2009 03:57PM)
Sorry about the 'double send' above. It was inadvertent. It wouldn't have happened if not for the Café site's silly policy of locking out the use of its search engine after 1 search. Doh!