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Topic: Distinguishing your Decks
Message: Posted by: Stiles (Aug 17, 2009 08:15PM)
So right now I carry two decks. A regular deck of blue bikes and a blue invisible deck. At first I took the seal off the regular deck to mark it by feel, but I realized after that a good observer will catch it (when challenged on the invisible deck being regular one of my responses is to toss my regular deck for inspection).

What I have started doing now is taking pencil lead from a mechanical pencil, peeling back the seal, and replacing it with the lead underneath. This lets me tell by touch which deck is regular and it's so insignificant that it is difficult to notice.

I am now thinking of cutting the lead down to make thin discs and using those for a braille like identifier for different decks.

Anyone want to share how they address this issue?
Message: Posted by: dobber (Aug 18, 2009 05:41PM)
Your idea certainly is creative but how hard can it be to keep track of two decks?

Are you performing with one deck and then switching to the ID as a finale, suddenly "remembering" one more trick after your performance?

Just curious.
Message: Posted by: Stiles (Aug 18, 2009 06:38PM)
It's not difficult at all to keep track of the two decks but I still like having the ability to distinguish the two by touch.

Once my skill improves the plan is that I put the deck away after my routine, under protest, and then perform ID as the encore if appropriate. Currently I use the regular deck to practice sleights and the ID to fool my friends. By the time they think to ask "is that a regular deck?" it's already in my pocket and I simply throw my practice deck to them. To date no one has realized they are different decks.
Message: Posted by: dobber (Aug 18, 2009 09:25PM)
If I understand your post correctly, ID is the only trick you perform for friends? Is that right?

Just a suggestion, but why not show them a couple of so called "self working" tricks and then switch in the ID for your ending? You will be building up confidence while setting them up for the kill.
Message: Posted by: magicPhred (Aug 19, 2009 08:26AM)
I have a few trick decks, decks with gaff cards in them, and one or two that are just set up a certain way. I have a MP deck, Inv Deck, and a Cartoon deck. I also have a deck where the top card is a double backer, a deck set up to do Dream of Aces, a deck set up for Skinner's 3 card monte and a red deck where the top card is blue, in a blue box.

Whew.

I put initials on the bottom of each deck (MP, ID, D of A, etc...) to tell me which is which. No one has ever looked at the box much less commented on the initials. I have been asked why I have so many decks, but I usually say something like, "some people collect comics or spoons, I collect card decks. Look at this blank one for example..." and then I go into my MP routine. Never have an issue after that.
Message: Posted by: maratekin (Aug 20, 2009 07:08AM)
I usually write the name of the effect under the flap of the deck - this hides it from the spectators (and allows me to keep my gaffed decks separated), but it doesn't help your desire to distinguish the deck by feel. One thought I had would be to use a piece of tape across half of the bottom panel of one of the decks - it would be essentially invisible to spectators (particularly if it's a good quality cellophane tape) but would allow you to notice by feel across the bottom panel. This wouldn't be optimal for multi (3+) deck situations, but it should work if you are trying to keep track of just the two decks.

Hope this helps.

Tx -

Mark
Message: Posted by: Beaulieu (Aug 21, 2009 02:45PM)
There are many ways to distinguish between decks! I am a relatively new magician. Having purchased an Invisible Deck, I was pondering this very question! I wanted to seperate my decks by feel and ended up punching small holes in the base of the case. That works if my hands aren't too sweaty. The pencil lead under the seal is pretty smart. I may have to try that out!
Message: Posted by: Doctor REvil (Aug 22, 2009 08:50AM)
Why not just put a divider in the pocket?.....one deck one side the other......
Message: Posted by: obsidian52 (Aug 23, 2009 03:15PM)
On occasion I have used and I carry various gaffed decks in my pockets, and although the pencil lead is a good idea, I generally just glue a small button on the bottom of the case, or 2 buttons or 3, whatever the case may be so I can feel them at a moments notice.
Message: Posted by: BMF (Aug 23, 2009 08:46PM)
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On 2009-08-18 19:38, Stiles wrote:

Once my skill improves the plan is that I put the deck away after my routine, under protest, and then perform ID as the encore if appropriate.
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Never save your best stuff for the encore. That applies to anything in life. Never, ever save your strongest performance for an encore; many times you don't even get an encore, and it would be a shame that nobody gets to see you at your zenith.
Message: Posted by: aktino (Nov 19, 2009 11:57AM)
In those instances when I need to keep track of different decks/cases during performance, then I "mark" each case with one or several small blobs of glue. A blob of epoxy glue is transparent and therefore invisible but can easily be felt by the tip of a finger.
Message: Posted by: rochaz (Nov 19, 2009 12:23PM)
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On 2009-08-19 09:26, magicPhred wrote:
I have a few trick decks, decks with gaff cards in them, and one or two that are just set up a certain way. I have a MP deck, Inv Deck, and a Cartoon deck. I also have a deck where the top card is a double backer, a deck set up to do Dream of Aces, a deck set up for Skinner's 3 card monte and a red deck where the top card is blue, in a blue box.

Whew.

I put initials on the bottom of each deck (MP, ID, D of A, etc...) to tell me which is which. No one has ever looked at the box much less commented on the initials. I have been asked why I have so many decks, but I usually say something like, "some people collect comics or spoons, I collect card decks. Look at this blank one for example..." and then I go into my MP routine. Never have an issue after that.
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That's what works for me!
I keep the decks in one of the compartments in my close up case standing "bottoms up."
That way I can easily spot the deck that I need and just reach in grab it and go!

Respectfully,
Rochaz
Message: Posted by: andykean (Nov 19, 2009 04:55PM)
I write on the bar code for feke decks only.sven, brain, blank etc
A quick glance and instantly know which deck is which.
Not my idea but I can't remember where I read it!
Regards
Andy
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Nov 19, 2009 09:12PM)
Michael Weber teaches a VERY cool method, where he prints deck seal stickers and discreetly edits the seal as a means of identifying the deck. I won't go into too much detail (out of respect to Mr. Weber), but I highly recommend that you get out to see his lecture.
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Nov 20, 2009 03:04AM)
If you have a pocket big enough for two decks, try keeping them orientated accordingly: One upright and one on its side. Or simply have one in play and 'switch' as you 'remember' one last effect...
Message: Posted by: asgar (Nov 20, 2009 10:43PM)
Tear or glue some paper to the ordinary pack.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Nov 21, 2009 09:49AM)
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On 2009-08-22 09:50, Doctor REvil wrote:
Why not just put a divider in the pocket?.....one deck one side the other......
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My feelings exactly. It's the K.I.S.S. Principle, Keep It Simple Stupid!!
This thread is getting a simple issue very confusing..
Message: Posted by: tstark (Nov 24, 2009 10:44PM)
I just read a tip in an old Genii magazine in Dai Vernon's column. It addresses this very issue from an entirely different angle. If you are doing tricks with one deck and wish to work with another for whatever reason (gimmicked, setup, etc) the second deck would look different from the first. Then explain briefly the reason for the difference as a reason to use this second deck. As an example, if you use a bridge deck you would bring out a poker deck and mention that the second deck is what would usually be used at the card table as you show some gambling work. Bring out an older deck and mention that it was in fact the first deck you ever remember working with and you have kept it all this time, or it is part of a collection. You may find more compelling reasons to introduce the second deck but the basic idea is to hide in plain sight. Just an option.
Message: Posted by: tstark (Nov 24, 2009 10:47PM)
As an added note, I have decks that are in fact gimmicked antiques in regular boxes (not the trick deck Haines, Enardoe, or Deland boxes) such as Torpedo or Aviator or Lombardy. This makes it childishly simple to ring in a gaffed deck because no one suspects an 80 year old deck, especially if it comes from a regular box.
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Dec 4, 2009 07:00PM)
I like to carry around 2 decks as well, one of them is stacked with Richard Osterlind's breakthrough card system. The other deck I use for manipulation (XCM). The XCM deck is contained in a "fast box", where the 2 flaps are removed. The way I tell them apart is simply by flicking the closing flap inside my pocket.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 6, 2009 04:58AM)
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On 2009-08-19 09:26, magicPhred wrote:
I have a few trick decks, decks with gaff cards in them, and one or two that are just set up a certain way. I have a MP deck, Inv Deck, and a Cartoon deck. I also have a deck where the top card is a double backer, a deck set up to do Dream of Aces, a deck set up for Skinner's 3 card monte and a red deck where the top card is blue, in a blue box.

Whew.

I put initials on the bottom of each deck (MP, ID, D of A, etc...) to tell me which is which. No one has ever looked at the box much less commented on the initials. I have been asked why I have so many decks, but I usually say something like, "some people collect comics or spoons, I collect card decks. Look at this blank one for example..." and then I go into my MP routine. Never have an issue after that.
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I also use initials, good plan.
Message: Posted by: Tricky Tom (Jan 29, 2010 09:02PM)
I use two decks also, a regular deck and then Invisible deck. I leave the cellopane wrapper on the Invisible deck, it can be easily felt. Usually I have no problem placing the decks in the pocket and keeping them in "order " but this serves as a back up incase I end up shoving things in my pocket and loosing track of which deck is which. I like the lead under seal and the button or spot of glue idea.
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Jan 30, 2010 11:13AM)
I have a routine with two decks and have a mnemonic device to remember which deck is always kept inside, closest to my body. In this case you might go with the Is Inside+Invisible
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Mar 9, 2010 02:11AM)
Try keeping one deck in your right pocket and one in your left.

Come back in 10 years and tell us how many spectators ever said, "Hey, your cards were in the other pocket!"

And tell us how you responded, and whether it was a problem.

Talk about the K.I.S.S. principle! To this day not a single person has ever noticed that the deck has jumped from my left pocket to my right.

BTW: left is normal, right is gaffed.

I suppose you could do it the other way around, but it would be risky.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 20, 2010 02:54PM)
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On 2009-08-19 09:26, magicPhred wrote:
I have a few trick decks, decks with gaff cards in them, and one or two that are just set up a certain way. I have a MP deck, Inv Deck, and a Cartoon deck. I also have a deck where the top card is a double backer, a deck set up to do Dream of Aces, a deck set up for Skinner's 3 card monte and a red deck where the top card is blue, in a blue box.

Whew.

I put initials on the bottom of each deck (MP, ID, D of A, etc...) to tell me which is which. No one has ever looked at the box much less commented on the initials. I have been asked why I have so many decks, but I usually say something like, "some people collect comics or spoons, I collect card decks. Look at this blank one for example..." and then I go into my MP routine. Never have an issue after that.
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Ahhhhhhhh! But then there is the girlfriend, (or fiance in my case) who is slightly more familiar with your magic props. She said to me very directly "I figure that the reason you have so many card decks is that each one is special for a particular trick."

What could I say? She had me.

Boys. You may fool every body else, it's mighty hard to fool your girlfriend!
Message: Posted by: scottsheltonmagic (Apr 17, 2010 09:53AM)
Unless you're handing the card boxes out to the audience, you can put small stickers on the bottom of the card box and label each one of your gimmicked decks.
Message: Posted by: Damon Zale (Apr 18, 2010 07:53AM)
I agree with stoneunhinged although someone HAS once noticed that a deck jumped from my left pocket from the right

Daffydoug you can say you have more then 1 deck for tricks like do as I do , some to practice shuffling (those get beat up) etc etc.

I bought a whole case of cards while I was with my girlfriend in Costco and now I just always say "you know my cards are regular they are from Cotco" ...so she doesn't think they are gimmicked ;)
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Apr 18, 2010 08:26AM)
In addition to inconspicuously marking my card boxes, I use a stick-pin on the sides of the boxes to indicate what they contain. You can not see the small hole, but it is easy to feel...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 19, 2010 10:16AM)
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On 2010-04-18 08:53, dimazales wrote:
I agree with stoneunhinged although someone HAS once noticed that a deck jumped from my left pocket from the right

Daffydoug you can say you have more then 1 deck for tricks like do as I do , some to practice shuffling (those get beat up) etc etc.

I bought a whole case of cards while I was with my girlfriend in Costco and now I just always say "you know my cards are regular they are from Cotco" ...so she doesn't think they are gimmicked ;)
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I wish it were so. But my woman has a very sharp mind. She is one of those observant kind of woman who remembers every tiny little detail of every thing in her life and every conversation you have had from years back...she is extremely difficult to fool. Dang near impossible.

When I do fool her with a trick, it's a victory.. Anyway, she wouldn't buy it. Trust me, you have to know her to know what I'm talking about.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Apr 21, 2010 08:57AM)
I usually bring two decks only, one gaff or stacked and one normal. Switching could be simply put it down to one pocket and take the normal from another one. Or if you have a quite big pocket, just put the two together.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 22, 2010 08:13AM)
Another way of distinguishing decks: When at home, I have made paper bands to wrap around each individual deck. Each is clearly marked on front with a black sharpie marker to indicate the effect. Also marked on the sides that way if they are stacked you can still know what's inside at a glance.

Saves a lot of confusion and time.

Of course, obviously when I load my pockets, I remove the bands, at which point it becomes a memory task to remember which pocket contains which deck. Not too bad if you only have one or two decks on your person. Beyond that, it can get a little hairy. But it works great for keeping your decks organized at home. You just have to remember to be careful to replace the bands before you put the decks away.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Apr 22, 2010 01:18PM)
I like the idea of creating a little bump or hump on the deck using glue. Invisible and accurate.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 22, 2010 03:10PM)
You mean kind of like Braille?
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Apr 22, 2010 11:23PM)
Something like that. One hump or no hump means regular, then you make your own systems. Two humps means ID, etc, etc.
Message: Posted by: nlokers (Aug 24, 2010 10:42PM)
I've got quite a few, so I cut post it notes into strips and then label each deck, then if I need them I find them, throw them in a little case and then take of the little notes putting them in the same order as the decks so that I can easily see which one is which in the case.
Message: Posted by: J.Warrens (Sep 10, 2010 07:25PM)
Glue is not needed. Simply take a soft lead pencil and push it down into the case to create your "braille" bumps. The key is to stand the box upright and to make sure that it has a surface underneath it that has a little "give" - like a close-up pad.

That's all there is to it.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Phil J. (Sep 20, 2010 12:56PM)
To distinguish between two decks, in my pocket I stand one deck on end and the other on it's side.
Message: Posted by: magicdano (Mar 18, 2011 12:34AM)
When switching out one deck for another, try making a small but similar mark on both boxes. That way you can keep it simple, like one deck in each pocket but still have the spectator notice/see the markings and come to the conclusion it is surely the same deck.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 18, 2011 09:42AM)
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On 2010-09-10 20:25, J.Warrens wrote:
Glue is not needed. Simply take a soft lead pencil and push it down into the case to create your "braille" bumps.
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BrilIant! Really brilliant!
When reading page 1 of this thread I was almost going to post the glue idea (which I use myself), but then I found someone already posted it on p2, but your idea is the pinnacle. Thanks for posting!
Message: Posted by: J.Warrens (Apr 18, 2011 08:56AM)
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On 2011-03-18 10:42, nicolino wrote:
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On 2010-09-10 20:25, J.Warrens wrote:
Glue is not needed. Simply take a soft lead pencil and push it down into the case to create your "braille" bumps.
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BrilIant! Really brilliant!
When reading page 1 of this thread I was almost going to post the glue idea (which I use myself), but then I found someone already posted it on p2, but your idea is the pinnacle. Thanks for posting!
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:) Glad to be of help!

Cheers!

J.Warrens
Message: Posted by: aechecop (Apr 23, 2011 07:08PM)
Sounds like a good idea but I don't really understand the complexity of keeping 2 decks in your pocket and being able to go to whichever you need on demand. That should be a simple process. Remember which is the one closer to you. Then for visual recognition, use the above described method or any of the 10000000 others discussed and not discussed here...
Message: Posted by: AeroSmythe (Apr 23, 2011 11:12PM)
The Braille idea outlined here is much better than what I do, but just to answer the question: the adhesive label which keeps a new deck closed is what I've always used to tell by touch. I bevel the adhesive of the stacked deck a little, whereas the adhesive of the non-stacked deck remains exactly how it is when I first open the deck: sliced through cleanly.
Message: Posted by: eddie2m (Nov 22, 2011 08:22AM)
Being the purist that I am with cards, I always put a casual black mark on all my card boxes
in the same spot. This is a subliminal suggestion that you are always using the same deck.