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Topic: FISM 2012 Controversy Continues
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Oct 3, 2009 06:18PM)
From a [url=http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=204622]post in the Genii Forums[/url], I became aware of a new video which has appeared on YouTube adding to the controversy regarding Blackpool as a host for the 2012 FISM. [url=http://mnw.squarespace.com/magicnewsfeed/2009/10/3/blackpool-fism-controversy-continues.html]READ MORE[/url]
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Oct 3, 2009 08:23PM)
Apparently this controversy has reached the highest levels. Therefore, I am making an open plea: Obama, Oprah, please bring FISM to Chicago in 2015.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Oct 3, 2009 10:42PM)
On 2009-10-03 21:23, Ken Northridge wrote:
Apparently this controversy has reached the highest levels. Therefore, I am making an open plea: Obama, Oprah, please bring FISM to Chicago in 2015.

And a shot rings out!
Message: Posted by: David Bilan (Oct 3, 2009 11:02PM)
Truly a movie classic, reflecting the controversy of our life in these modern times...
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Oct 4, 2009 02:33AM)
Well..., the one about Chris Angels' Vegas show was better, but that was quite funny.
Message: Posted by: mitchmagi (Oct 4, 2009 04:22AM)
Blackpool have summarily decided to create a new FISM category or what appears to be an entirely new FISM contest for 2010 - the "FISM World Championships of Children's Entertainers" - without so much as even getting the approval of the FISM General Assembly ( seems very similar to when they were collecting FISM registration money before they had even been officially voted as host city )

Interestingly the FISM statutes have no provision for a Children's Magic Contest so all very intriguing as to how they sidestep these minor little requirements.

Will the FISM Childrens Magic Champion compete in the finals for the main Grand Prix ? Could be interesting ... Shawn Farquhar competing against Run Rabbit Run.
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Oct 5, 2009 01:11AM)
I've been using "Shape of My Heart" with Run Rabbit Run since 1987.
Message: Posted by: mitchmagi (Oct 5, 2009 05:06AM)
The Derek Lever school of public relations continues to be in full force ...




Derek Lever is fast becoming an international embarrassment to the FISM organisation whose stated aim is to promote and unify the art of magic. How can you have the FISM 2012 President publicly demeaning one of Britain's most accomplished magicians ?

"Derek Lever, chairman of the club, said: "He is not welcome in Blackpool and we will not be inviting him.

"We don't want him in Blackpool, he is a has-been.

"He has been doing the same electric hair routine for 40 years and it's time he got up-to-date.

"We have the real stars coming to the convention, we have David Blaine, people like that.

"We recently had the president and vice president of Federation of International Stage Magicians FISM come over to Blackpool to look at The Grand, at The Opera House and the Tower Circus and they were really impressed.

"It's their opinions we listen to and respect, not someone whose shows in Blackpool had to be cancelled due to lack of ticket sales."

If Mr Lever does indeed listen to Eric Eswin & Domenico Dante - I am sure that they must be very charmed with his latest folly.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Oct 5, 2009 05:10AM)
On 2009-10-05 02:11, Futureal wrote:
I've been using "Shape of My Heart" with Run Rabbit Run since 1987.
You obviously stole that idea from me since I have been using ‘Shape of my Heart’ to Hippity Hop Rabbits since 1986. Even though it is a different effect, its still upsetting and I plan to make a long post about this on several magic forums.:)
Message: Posted by: sleight king (Oct 9, 2009 05:42AM)
Well I have been performing 'shape of my rabbit' since 1985, bad luck boys
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Oct 9, 2009 11:44PM)
Ahh, but I perform it on a stool.

Incidentally : I think Blackpool FISM should be canned and another city picked. It's a public-relations nightmare.
Message: Posted by: Leslie Melville (Oct 10, 2009 12:47PM)
Fism 2012.

I have been following this controversial topic with some interest and since I actually live in Blackpool, and have done so for much of my life, I feel qualified to stick in my 'two pennorth'.

Firstly, It is my opinion that Paul Daniels, whether or not he is right in his view of the town, made an error of judgment in expressing a view that was likely to be quoted and placed in the public domain. His profile is such that his remarks were bound to be picked up and transmitted world-wide.

In turn, Derek Lever (again in my opinion) is in error in turning the issue into a personal one. Since Blackpool has already been awarded the convention, he is in a position to be able to ignore negative comments from outside and get on with doing what he is obviously good at - producing a successful magic convention.

Now, regarding Blackpool's suitability to host this event.

Despite the perceived 'tackyness' and 'lack of artistic culture', Blackpool is an entertainments town. It has two major theatres (H.M. The Queen is attending this year's Royal Variety Show at one of them!) and several additional smaller performance venues, plus one of the finest indoor circus locations in the world! It also has the magnificent Tower Ballroom, in which events may be staged. There is a huge multi-million pound regeneration programme currently in progress and by 2012, much of the improvement will be in place.

Blackpool has proved itself annually, over many years to be able to accommodate one of the world's largest and most successful magic conventions ever – I believe upwards of 4,000 attendees in the last few years! Whether people care for Derek Lever and his operational methods or not, is of little consequence. He and his team at the Blackpool Magician's Club, year after year produce the goods and thousands come to the town.

Blackpool, has been a little slow to get into modernisation mode, but they are on their way now. What was in my youth a town of 18 theatres, producing summer season spectaculars, is turning into a festival and events location – anyone at 'Showzam' in February 2008 & 9? There is to be another in 2010, each one bigger and better than the previous one.

So don't worry about Blackpool not being culturally adequate for FISM – What is so culturally special about magicians anyway? Having been amused for many years by the appearance of some of the 'weirdos' who attend the Blackpool and British Ring conventions (60 & 70 year old 'hippies' with ear-rings and tiny pony-tales - ageing couples, wandering around with knitted his & hers, 'I Love Magic' cardigans and the 'in full motley' clowns and Laurel & Hardy lookalikes that exhibit themselves around the dealer halls with the air of 'see me – I'm an entertainer!' exuding from every pore), high culture isn't what I associate with magicians – and I've been one for sixty years!

So calm down guys. Stop the sniping. Blackpool's FISM will be fine.

Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Oct 10, 2009 05:42PM)
Who's Chris 'Angle'?
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Oct 10, 2009 05:46PM)
I think he's Kurt Angle's cousin.
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Oct 10, 2009 05:49PM)
Mr. Lever has responded to many of the accusations which have been made against him and Blackpool with regards to FISM 2012. [url=http://mnw.squarespace.com/magicnewsfeed/2009/10/10/fism-2012-organizer-responds-to-controversy.html]READ MORE[/url]
Message: Posted by: Leslie Melville (Oct 10, 2009 07:00PM)
In response to a couple of personal messages received since my above posting, I should make it clear that although as stated, Blackpool is my home town, I am not a member of Blackpool Magician's Club and have absolutely no involvement in the running of the Blackpool Convention - if I attend, and I don't always, I register like everyone else!

Apologies by the way for the typo that made reference to 'pony-tales'. I of course meant 'pony-tails' in the context of a hair styling - not stories about small horses!

Message: Posted by: edh (Oct 10, 2009 08:20PM)
He doesn't mention the "FISM Childrens Entertainer" category.
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Oct 10, 2009 08:31PM)
Nope.. ;-)
Message: Posted by: mitchmagi (Oct 11, 2009 03:44AM)
Dodd posted the link to Mr Lever's response - but let's specifically extract 2 key sections:

"* Blackpool Convention and F.IS.M. Convention are separate events.
* People banned from Blackpool will not automatically be banned from F.I.S.M. There are only about 7 people who are banned from Blackpool and these are for serious reasons such as shoplifting, abusive behaviour/drunkenness, obscenity and fly pitching.Colin Richardson was banned (since lifted) not because he was running a convention but because he posted a Carl De Rome e.mail on their forum saying that all Blackpool Magicians Club competitions were fixed. Colin refused to delete it and only removed it after receiving a letter from my solicitor. Nobody has been banned because of personal differences.Despite press headlines I did not say that Paul Daniels was banned. I said that we had not invited him for the past 15 years and we did not intend to invite him for 2012. If he wants to come and buys a registration he is quite welcome."


Mr Lever is not being truthful.

**"There are only about 7 people who are banned from Blackpool"

Not so.

"You, ***, ***, all staff and business associates of yours are all banned from attending the Convention"

The family, staff & employees of just this one person are well more than seven.

"...these are for serious reasons such as shoplifting, abusive behaviour/drunkenness, obscenity and fly pitching."

Serious reasons also include publishing a contrary opinion on The Genii Forum / Magic Newswire ... despite the statement "Nobody has been banned because of personal differences."

**"Colin Richardson was banned (since lifted)"

Not so. Colin's ban will only be lifted if he complies with certain conditions.

"If he ( Paul Daniels ) wants to come and buys a registration he is quite welcome."

Mr Lever stated: "He is not welcome in Blackpool ..." "We don't want him in Blackpool, he is a has-been."

I do believe the record speaks for itself - and no amount of spin can erase the truth.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Oct 11, 2009 09:15AM)
Mitchmagi, you seem to enjoy the notoriety of being banned by Derek.

I guess this is your 15 minutes of fame which is why you're posting on every board across the world.

At first it was mildly interesting, now it's just tedious.

On behalf of the majority of members of magic forums.....please give it a rest now!

Cheers mate.

Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 11, 2009 04:46PM)
How can I get banned? Hey! Planner of FISM! You can ban me and you are an icky person so there!
Message: Posted by: edh (Oct 11, 2009 08:54PM)
Banned by a Magician's Club? I would be so lucky. Isn't this why Penn&teller and Derron Brown, and Chris Angel refuse to be associated with magicians. I say there is something to gained by their wisdom.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 11, 2009 09:14PM)
Penn and Teller refuse to be associated with magicians.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Oct 12, 2009 12:16AM)
I hear Ricky Jay avoids magicians as well!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 12, 2009 12:22AM)
Ricky yes but Penn and Teller are okay guys.
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Oct 12, 2009 07:51AM)
This chap is quite blunt with his thoughts on FISM 2012!

Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Oct 12, 2009 09:20AM)
Found another FISM Trailer there too:
Message: Posted by: Tim Dowd (Oct 14, 2009 03:49AM)
On 2009-10-12 08:51, Tim Ellis wrote:
This chap is quite blunt with his thoughts on FISM 2012!


Colon Health/FISM BlackPoo :)

I think he just wanted to get Colon and Poo in the same sentence ;) (British Humour probably misplaced but I couldn't resist)
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 14, 2009 01:12PM)
You got this yank laughing pretty good, Tim...
Message: Posted by: mitchmagi (Oct 26, 2009 12:40PM)
Just an update - some of you may recall that Mr Lever announced the "FISM World Championships of Childrens Entertainers" ( without the knowledge of anyone in the FISM General Assembly )

It has now been officially confirmed ( as expected ) that no such competition exists, that there is no new 'childrens magic' category at FISM nor is there likely to be in the near future.

It was all just a terrible 'misunderstanding'
Message: Posted by: Red Shadow (Oct 29, 2009 06:52PM)
Actually it was you, Colin (Mitchmagi) that announced a misunderstanding. Everyone else seems to have understood it quite clearly.
If you read Derek official press release, it says the competition at ‘Blackpool’ had received permission to change the title of its children’s competition to world championship. It had nothing to do with the FISM event itself.

You just attacking DL again and making vicious lies to try and hurt him. You've already been shut down now on 3 forums, and magic news sites have stopped talking about you. I suppose the magic Café was your last place to vent out and continue your online bullying streak. But it’s a matter of time before your vindictive plan gets noticed here as well.
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Oct 31, 2009 09:21AM)
On 2009-10-11 21:54, edh wrote:
Banned by a Magician's Club? I would be so lucky. Isn't this why Penn&teller and Derron Brown, and Chris Angel refuse to be associated with magicians. I say there is something to gained by their wisdom.

RE: Derren, that's far from the truth. I can't speak for the others though.
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Nov 7, 2009 03:48PM)
Ku7uk3 - Actually Craig was right. The misunderstanding is that FISM didn't actually give permission to Derek to use their name or the title "World Championship".
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Nov 7, 2009 03:52PM)
Looks like the FISM 2012 video series has ended.

Episode 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKEU8ZOHvoM
and Episodes 2-7 are here http://www.youtube.com/user/phismillusions#p/u
Message: Posted by: edh (Nov 7, 2009 06:06PM)
Does anyone know the real name of this movie? It looks like a very interesting movie.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Nov 7, 2009 06:19PM)
The movie is “Valkyrie” and also stars Tom Cruise. Good movie but these remakes are much funnier. The Chris Angel version is hysterical.
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Nov 7, 2009 06:23PM)
These clips are actually from a movie called"Downfall"
Message: Posted by: motown (Nov 8, 2009 07:42PM)
That movies been used for so many YouTube parodies.
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Nov 8, 2009 07:58PM)
In fact, there is even one that is a parody of the parody. ;-)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMUvgce_5s]Watch it Here[/url]
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Nov 9, 2009 12:36PM)
I thought the world was going to end in 2012?
Message: Posted by: edh (Nov 9, 2009 06:36PM)
I guess the movie has subtitles, correct? Does the whole movie have subtitles?

I think I'll try and rent this.

Thanks for the info guys.
Message: Posted by: magicnewswire (Nov 9, 2009 07:06PM)
Yes... It is subtitled unless you speak German. ;-)

There is a version floating around the net with no subtitles that everyone is using to put these jokes together.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Nov 10, 2009 08:41AM)
The subtitles offered me the best entertainment I have ever seen in years. Thanks, guys :lol:
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Nov 11, 2009 10:18PM)
Now they are all together on a site of their own

Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Nov 11, 2009 10:40PM)
Thanks, Tim. It is more convenient to watch now.
Message: Posted by: mitchmagi (Nov 17, 2009 02:23PM)
Those movies are hilarious ! Creator deserves an Oscar - thanks for the link, Tim.