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Topic: Lottery Routines
Message: Posted by: 10cardsdown (Jun 11, 2003 07:59AM)
Are there any routines available on the market that would simulate picking the correct numbers for a lottery? :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Knil Gnissim (Jun 11, 2003 08:06AM)
Not to sure what's out there commercially, but it shouldn't be too hard, if you're well versed in mentalism, to develop something.

Of course, this kind of routine always begs the question: why aren't you a millionaire?! Or maybe you are, I don't know. :)

Message: Posted by: Sean Lough (Jun 11, 2003 08:06AM)
There is a routine in 13 Steps (isn't there always) that involves the whole audience in picking the numbers. I've always wanted to work it up and keep it handy in case anyone asks.
Message: Posted by: 10cardsdown (Jun 11, 2003 08:15AM)
That's what I'm looking for, where the whole audience helps. Where can this be found? :wavey:
Message: Posted by: shrink (Jun 11, 2003 08:23AM)
Quite a few years back at a lee Earle lecture he did an effect using numberd cards called a lexicon deck I think?

Anyway they were shuffled and selected by a few members of the audience. The six cards selected matched the numbers on a lottery ticket dated for the following weekend. Lee signed it so if it did come up the person would have to split it with him!
Message: Posted by: Sean Lough (Jun 11, 2003 08:46AM)
It's in Corinda's "13 Steps to Mentalism" (don't have the book handy or I'd give you the pages).

He also suggests a good way of dealing with the "why aren't you a millionaire" question.

S. :hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Jun 11, 2003 02:48PM)
Check out Mark Strivings' tape, "Strivings Speaks, Vol. 1." He does a lottery-themed prediction trick in that tape.

The presentation he does involves only one audience member, but it could be adapted to involve more than one if you wish.

Ben Blau
Message: Posted by: the_great_stupido (Jun 11, 2003 04:28PM)
I've often wondered about Lottery predictions - Why? Where is the logic in saying 'I can predict Lottery Numbers', when you obviously cannot. As an audience member I would surely think 'If you could predict the lottery numbers, why are you here entertaining us, when you could be on some sunny island somewhere, with endless cocktails, beautiful women, etc.?' Wouldn't this prompt the audience to merely question 'How did he do that?' rather than accepting some kind of phenomenon, or 'magic'? I was always under the impression that we, as magicians/mentalists were striving to give the impression that the magic is 'real', and avoiding the types of presentation which make it look like a 'puzzle'.

I don't mean to be controversial - I'm just intrigued as to how people build a lottery prediction into their routines/shows.
Message: Posted by: Sean Lough (Jun 11, 2003 05:46PM)
One option is obviously to state that one is a mind reader/thought reader -- and not able to read numbers that someone doesn't already know -- hence the audience participation.

In the lexicon of how one's abilities "work" there are several options one can choose in the creation of a character.

Of course, there's nothing to stop you from claiming that you HAVE hit the lottery and that this is just a hobby. Or you're doing it to keep your abilities honed, etc.

And why aren't there any mentalism icons? :worry:
Message: Posted by: shrink (Jun 11, 2003 05:50PM)
Well in the Lee Earle version you don't actually predict the lottery you predict what the audience will select by having a genuine ticket with those numbers on it. Of course if those numbers were ever to come up you would be famous over night.
Message: Posted by: Jim Robinson (Jun 11, 2003 07:30PM)
I thought David Copperfield handled this kind of effect brilliantly when I saw his show a couple of months ago. The routine was built around the idea that his grandfather played the same lottery numbers each week.... This part of his act really gave me new respect for Copperfield.
Message: Posted by: mentalism101 (Jun 12, 2003 04:28AM)
Paul Hallas' 'lottery' routine is the best version extant.

Not only does the routine kill, but he has also overcome all the problematic questions arising from the fact that if you could actually predict the lottery then you'd be very rich and famous. And you're not!

I think Paul Daniels, amongst others, told Mr Hallas that his routine was easily the best version of the effect. Stong praise!

Maybe Mr Hallas will direct us to where his trick is in print?

Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jun 12, 2003 07:15PM)
I grappled with this idea for a few years now and then it finally hit me to combine it in the middle of another routine. So in my stand-up act, I now do a routine I created called Vegas Vacation where I take the audience on an imaginary trip to Las Vegas. I combine bits of Larry Becker's Casino Royale, with Don Wayne's Room Service and Barry Richardson's Totally Isolated Prediction. So in essence, at the end, I have predicted the casino we will visit, the winning hand and amount on Blackjack, the number of the High Roller's room they put us up in and while in the room, we take our winnings and play a Keno ticket of which I have predicted the winning numbers.

The way I get the spectators on stage is by bouncing the balloon around the audience and stop it 3 times. Each spectator gives me one number between 0 & 9 (for the room key tag) and two numbers between 1 & 80 (for the Keno ticket.) When they bring the balloon up on stage, I have them shake to the balloon that they have had the whole time to confirm there is something inside. That "something inside" ends up being the Keno ticket that has the winning numbers stamped on it.

So far the routine has killed. The other thing I added was that the key tag, Keno ticket and casino chip all match the same casino.

Message: Posted by: MikeTheRed (Jun 12, 2003 11:44PM)
Just a random thought...

I live in California. A few weeks ago I bought one of those lottery scratcher cards for a dollar.

It ended up being a winning card, so I returned to the store and got a ten spot. The way they verified the card was not by looking at the scratched off area, but by scanning a bar code on the back of the card.

Reading this thread gave me the idea that maybe you can buy a scratcher ticket and have it scanned without disturbing the card. After buying enough cards, you would have some winners. Odds are 1 in 5 I think.

With an unused winning card you could put together a bank nite routine, lottery routine, or anything.

I will have to visit the store tomorrow and find out if this can be done. Does anyone here know???

Message: Posted by: Mark Strivings (Jun 12, 2003 11:49PM)
The routine referred to above is called 'Lotto Luck' and is a perfect response to the question of why aren't you rich if you can predict the lottery. My answer, "I can't predict the lottery, but I've been practicing." The routine goes from there where I predict one number of the six random digits that are selected. I realise this may not make sense in a bare bones description like this, but believe me, it makes perfect sense in the performance context and kills. I guarantee you if you saw this performed and did not know how it was accomplished, there's no possible explanation. I've taught this in my lectures for years and it's always been a hit with the guys, and always plays well with the lay crowd.

Message: Posted by: kuffs (Jun 12, 2003 11:50PM)
Interestings ideas Mike, very interesting...

If it work tell us please, I will try myself, if you gave me permission to use it.

Read you soon.

Message: Posted by: Robert Sixx (Jun 13, 2003 12:20AM)
Lee Earle has one on his Syzygy's Best vol. 1 video as well as somewhere in vol. 1 of the Newsletter. I don't have it in front of me so I don't remember who the creator is, but it is very good and fairly easy!
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Jun 13, 2003 12:32AM)
Mike, awesome idea!
Message: Posted by: Robert Sixx (Jun 13, 2003 12:57AM)

I don't know how it works where you are but, here there is a number on the front of the ticket that has to be scratched off as well as the bar code being scanned for the ticket to be verified -- otherwise you could just photocopy the bar code and get paid off. The number on the front combined with the bar code on the back verify that it is a real ticket as there is only one ticket issued with each particular combination! And being that there are like 3 or 4 companies that handle this in the USA, chances are it is the same where you are -- you need to check it out.

Good Luck though and I hope it works for you!
Message: Posted by: Lior (Jun 13, 2003 03:42AM)
I did the lottery prediction many years ago on TV.
Some people asked why don't I do it every week. I have many answers, but this is not important.
What is important is your PR and the many shows you are going to do and the money you are going to make just because you are famous.
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Jun 13, 2003 04:04AM)
Once they are scanned, they are useless. The computer removes them from the database, I always thought.
Message: Posted by: kuffs (Jun 13, 2003 12:28PM)
I agree that the ticket maybe not worth anything after scanned...

But, who cares? We know this, not the rest of the audience. Imagine you do your routine on stage, they find the correct ticket, they win, they keep the ticket.

People will like the fact that you gave him the winning ticket (imagine it's for $50). They keep the ticket and they will try to change it later. If it doesn't work at that time, you have nothing to do with it; it's too late and also it's not your fault if the ticket is not good. You got your routine and impact.

I hope I am clear, but I think the idea is still very interesting. Only a minor point to cover, and this is done easily, I think.


Message: Posted by: the_great_stupido (Jun 13, 2003 02:01PM)
Lior, Please don't call me a jerk. I was just asking how people build this into their routines. I tried to make it clear in my post that I wasn't 'rubbishing' lottery effects - just trying to get some kind of idea of where they sit in peoples acts. I've always believed that magic should be believable (although impossible) - and I was intrigued by the idea of somebody presenting the blatantly unbelievable. I didn't mean to offend (or come across as a jerk).
Message: Posted by: MikeTheRed (Jun 13, 2003 06:20PM)
Okay I did a little investigating at the local quicky-mart...

A store can scan a scratcher ticket that has not been "scratched" and they can tell you if it is a winner or not. But it order to get the ticket back, you can't collect the winnings. Also, it may take some effort to get the scanned ticket back from the clerk, but it can be done.

So you can do a bank nite routine with legit scratcher cards. A lot of effort and cash needs to go into the method, but I think it is worth it.

Also, since the scanned card is no longer good, you could give the bank nite winner the cash on the spot to save them a trip to the store. That way the winner does not turn it into the store and get screwed...lol...

Message: Posted by: Lior (Jun 13, 2003 06:54PM)
I didn't call you a jerk.
It isn't you.
It is the for the person from the general public.
Sorry again
Lior :cuteangel:
Message: Posted by: chriscox (Aug 1, 2003 06:04AM)
Anthony Owen has a fantastic lottery routine which solves all problems in his Some Tricks Books.

You say you brought a lottery ticket, you then get the audience to call six numbers out and it is those numbers that match them on the ticket...fantastic trick indeed. Perfect as you can't predict the lottery but can predict/influence your audience.
Message: Posted by: Nir Dahan (Aug 1, 2003 06:45AM)
the owen book is great - it also have a cute approach to any card at any number...
also not so expensive.
Message: Posted by: Brent Allan (Aug 2, 2003 11:01AM)
Recently, in my area there has beena limited number of an effect sold that the dealer claims he got from Holland. It is combined with a card effect in which numbers are called out at random by spectators, and the cards at those positions in the deck are used. The final kicker is that the magician gives an audience member a scratch of ticket, and when scratched, reveals the very same numbers that the audience freely called out.

Now, I did not actually see this effect done, it was described to me by someone who did see ti done. They claim the audience had a free choice of numbers to call out (No Forces) and the scratch off ticker is fully examinable afterwards and the numbers do NOT come off, that they are typed/printed in, not handwritten.

Anybody know what this is called?
Message: Posted by: Alan Jackson (Aug 3, 2003 12:42PM)
The small book "Some Tricks" by Anthony Owen (producer of Derren Brown's TV shows) has exactly this effect, called Natural Lottery. Obtainable here http://www.magictricks.co.uk/prodshow.asp?code=297
It's a bit fiddly to make up but could be very effective.
Message: Posted by: D J Hawkins (Aug 24, 2003 02:10PM)
Could someone describe the Copperfield lottery effect please.
Message: Posted by: rickmagic1 (Aug 25, 2003 04:07PM)
I'd check out Larry Becker's Sum Total (he has several versions in Stunner's Plus). His premise is one involving a lottery number.
Message: Posted by: boonwriter (Aug 25, 2003 09:44PM)
The lottery trick sold by Magic Dream is really good. The scratchcard ending blows people away but the lead up to it is very poor. Anyone familiar with the one ahead principle will work out a better handling very quickly.
Message: Posted by: Luis Sirgado (Sep 23, 2003 10:05AM)
The lotto prediction done by coppefield was sold by a portuguese magician called luis de matos. But there were other that have done this effect. even I do this effect sometimes, but in a small version(like showcase), but very misterious.

luis :coolspot: