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Topic: Arcane Deck White from Ellusionist
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Oct 22, 2009 08:19PM)
I have to say right off the start that I was not expecting to see what I saw when I opened up my Arcane decks. I first noticed that the deck seal was not the standard USPCC seal, it was a custom seal that matched the feel of the deck and blended nicely. Then my attention switched to the design of the box, subtle and clear, nothing over powering to the eyes which I like. Once you actually open the deck you will see that it was not designed in a few months, the attention to detail is staggering and each and every single symbol can be seen clearly(no blurs at all). The "black" pips and face cards are almost like a bleed from a black to a grey and the red color just makes the deck pop!!!! Also comes with a double backer which I always like and the Jokers look bad ass as well. The deck fans amazingly right out of the box just like you would expect UV500 stock to be like and they have that spring to then that lets you know they will hold up for quite some time. The detail on the ace will make any card collector like me smile from ear to ear and you will appriciate the time spent on this deck. A lot of detail was out into this deck. I give it a 10!!!

Check them out here

http://www.ellusionist.com/arcane

Jeremy Hanrahan
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Oct 22, 2009 08:30PM)
Check this video:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6uNCcfQAJ8&feature=channel
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Oct 22, 2009 11:01PM)
The E cards are always top quality... Looking forward to adding these to my XCM collection :) Thanks!
Message: Posted by: swiss_magician (Oct 23, 2009 03:45AM)
When I watch Ellusionist's clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7y9aGIHtLY

I can't help but wonder if magicians are not treated as fetichists. 2min of filming with Hollywood fancy video editing and special effects, crazy camera angles with travelings.....for 52 pieces of cardboard! Let's go back to Earth, please :D

Would a layman watch such a clip, I think he would just laugh at this ^^

or maybe we are really fetichists...!

Cheers,

M.
Message: Posted by: John C (Oct 23, 2009 10:37AM)
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On 2009-10-23 04:45, swiss_magician wrote:
When I watch Ellusionist's clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7y9aGIHtLY

I can't help but wonder if magicians are not treated as fetichists. 2min of filming with Hollywood fancy video editing and special effects, crazy camera angles with travelings.....for 52 pieces of cardboard! Let's go back to Earth, please :D

Would a layman watch such a clip, I think he would just laugh at this ^^

or maybe we are really fetichists...!

Cheers,

M.
[/quote]

Good word. Never heard it before.

Noun: fetichism

1. A belief in the magical power of fetishes (or the worship of a fetish)
Message: Posted by: Wolfenout (Oct 23, 2009 01:05PM)
Fancy cards are our drug of choice
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Oct 23, 2009 07:33PM)
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On 2009-10-23 14:05, Wolfenout wrote:
Fancy cards are our drug of choice
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Cards and flash paper, I love flash paper!
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Oct 26, 2009 01:46AM)
Drama
Message: Posted by: WayneL (Oct 26, 2009 07:32AM)
I'll stick to my red bikes :)
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Oct 26, 2009 11:00AM)
They look nice. I'll probably order two of each color. One to play with and one to collect.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (Oct 27, 2009 07:36PM)
I tried to buy the arcane deck frm Ellusionist. But the site is dwn and/or extremetly slow. I tried to do it frm 4:00 pm till now (7pm??) without succeed.

This happened everytime Ellusionist tried to mkting and sell their new deck. I don't know if it is website problem (coincidence?) or they do it by purpose - those crazy mkting scheme. Hopes that it is not the later, because it doesn't work. I am considering stop buying frm them due to the annoying experience.
Message: Posted by: revelation77 (Oct 27, 2009 08:55PM)
I think the site is down, I can't access the main page even. I don't think this is a marketing scheme, wise owl, because I don't think they're dumb enough to lose customers like that. Too many people trying to access the site, probs. The deck doesn't look bad. I might pick up a few (when the site is working again).
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Oct 28, 2009 06:08AM)
"forged from a dream..." hahahahaha a 12 year old's wet dream...

they've gone too far this time really, they look pretty - but come on...
Message: Posted by: magicFreak2 (Oct 28, 2009 09:57AM)
Im definitely getting an Invisible Arcane Deck. :)

I got an email why the website was down. :P They purchased 20x normal bandwidth for a release but I guess it wasn't enough. The website was bombed with thousands of hits/minutes XD. Up now though.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 28, 2009 11:52AM)
I have to agree that the marketing for these cards is way over the top. The quality of the card stocks will never be better than what USPCC already produces. Hyping the quality of the cards is like comparing a coke bottle to a coke bottle. However, the thing about fancy cards is not so much how they handle but the quality of the art work on the cards. As we already know, black does not hold long, but looks real cool. The art work on these cards look better than any other fancy cards on the market right now. I would say they are worth collecting if you collect fancy cards. I like collecting fancy cards, and when the frenzy is over at the E website, I'll be picking up two of each.
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 28, 2009 03:16PM)
Hey guys.

Saw a post on this blog with a discount for the Arcane deck.

http://exomagic.com/blog/2009/10/28/5-off-your-arcane-deck/

I used it and it worked.

-Jacob
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 28, 2009 04:40PM)
I did nothing but place my order with E and got 7% off! I thought that was a discount everyone was getting. Did anyone else get a 7% discount from E?
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 28, 2009 05:37PM)
You can get a 7% for a trial pack of both decks.

But you can also get an additional one if you go to the site I linked and get the promo code.

Great stuff...I love great material that you can save money on...

:)
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 28, 2009 05:47PM)
Darn it!!!!!! :( That adds up to 12% savings! Wow. I missed on that one. You're right Seeker, I ordered the sample pack of both black and white decks and that's why I got the 7% discount. It's too late for me to claim the other 5%, but what a fantastic deal for everyone else now because you shared that info with us.
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 28, 2009 08:56PM)
I like to save as much as I can on my magic when I can...this stuff adds up Dan! haha!


Then again...I don't want to talk about how much this adds up.
I deny it.
Don't tell my girlfriend....
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Oct 28, 2009 09:36PM)
Sweet demo video, but I'll pass.
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Oct 28, 2009 09:59PM)
After looking over the price of there shipping I'll just wait till somebody else like The Magic Warehouse or some of the dealers on Ebay start selling them.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 12:31AM)
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On 2009-10-28 22:59, wpt1031 wrote:
After looking over the price of there shipping I'll just wait till somebody else like The Magic Warehouse or some of the dealers on Ebay start selling them.
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considering that it only cost me $5.00 for shipping to Canada, I can't see how shipping to you in the same country can be more expensive than that.

You do realize the E gives you options on shipping right?
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Oct 29, 2009 02:22AM)
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On 2009-10-29 01:31, Gospel Dan wrote:
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On 2009-10-28 22:59, wpt1031 wrote:
After looking over the price of there shipping I'll just wait till somebody else like The Magic Warehouse or some of the dealers on Ebay start selling them.
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considering that it only cost me $5.00 for shipping to Canada, I can't see how shipping to you in the same country can be more expensive than that.

You do realize the E gives you options on shipping right?
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Yep... And the cheapest to me is over $7.50. I'm in florida. That's for four decks of cards. Priority mail for the same is $7.70.

Now call me what you will, But I know for a fact that priority shipping for that many decks, (And even more) is $4.95. That's a flat rate and is universaly used in the U.S. I've had 12 decks shipped to me priority for $4.95.

This is why I won't order anything from E. I'll wait and get it from MJM's E store.

I like these and WAS going to order 4 decks until I saw the shipping charge. I can get another deck and then some for $7.50.

I don't know how you got shipping to Canada for $5.00 Dan.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 02:48AM)
I bought two decks. The shipping and handling was $5.00. You seem to forget that it's not just a shipping fee, it's also the handling fee. Things don't just magically pack themselves in a box and ship itself out. :) That would be amazing, but impossible.

Well, I guess you're right. You can always wait and take a chance to see if MJM will get any decks, and then hope that you'll be able to get them from there for a better price. But, there's also a chance that that won't happen.

$7.50 for shipping and handling 4 decks of cards. Sounds fair to me.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Oct 29, 2009 04:21AM)
Sorry. It doesn't sound fair to me.

Especialy in light of the fact that things don't "Magically pack themselves" at other dealers and actual shipping is still what you pay.

For $7.00 a deck... I think the time for stuffing four decks of cards in an envelope could be included.

By-the-by... Shipping at MJM for 4 decks of card is $2.00. And I'm pretty sure that MJM have not perfected thier "Automatic magical packing machine" yet.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 12:17PM)
I take it you have also noticed that MJM sells E cards for more than what E charges right? So four decks of the same cards from MJM will cost you about $4-$5 dollars more. So even if MJM offers free shipping you'll only be saving a $1 or $2. And that's hoping the cards don't sell out first. It seems most of the E cards are already sold out on their website.
Message: Posted by: Jeff_Mash (Oct 29, 2009 12:25PM)
We will be restocking all of our Ellusionist cards in early November, and also carrying the Arcane Deck (as long as Ellusionist is going to sell them to other dealers this close to a release date).

As for our pricing, since we offer FREE shipping on any USA/Canadian order over $15.00, this is how we pass on the savings to our customers.....and as Voldemort pointed out, in most cases when you do have to pay shipping, we don't charge any "handling" fees which I personally think is a poor excuse to gouge a customer. Lowering a price just to make up for it with high shipping is the same as charging a high price for the items themselves. Just my opinion though!

Ellusionist does put out great cards though, and this is why we try to carry as many as we can for our customers who choose to shop with us over the competition.

Thanks for all your support!
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 01:15PM)
I hope you know I am not knocking MJM. I have ordered several items from you in the past. And yes, your shipping rates are darn good. Your statement though that charging for handling is a poor excuse for gouging a customer is a little much don't you think. I did notice that E does sell the cards for cheaper, but then again they are the ones who produced them. When I compare the price differences and the shipping cost, there isn't much difference in price. Plus right now if you get the trial pack you save 7%, plus another 5% from the link that Seeker provided. That's 12% savings! More savings than the cost of shipping. Also, like you said, you may not even get the cards in stock.

I believe E also has discounts on shipping when you spend a certain amount as well.

P.S I believe this is the very first time I have defended E. I hope it's not the swine flu. :)
Message: Posted by: booswain (Oct 29, 2009 01:19PM)
I had my order in the cart ready to buy until I saw the shipping charge..yikes...the shipping charge should not cost more than the product...oh well ill wait until someone else has them...i have always had good luck with mjm...
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 01:43PM)
E has different shipping options. I went and did a test and found that shipping one deck to me would cost $3.00. I don't understand why it is more expensive to ship within US than it is to ship to Canada, but I bet it's because some of you are not looking at the shipping options. Maybe you guys are, I don't know. I know that I have never had a problem with their shipping rates. In fact, I always receive my items within a week even though I always choose the cheapest shipping rate they offer. They also offer a no hassle 100% money back gaurantee. I was able to send back my Gecko for a full refund when I wasn't impressed with it. I don't know of many other companies that do that.

MJM is also a great company. Great prices and shipping costs. I have just one question, are all your items stocked or do you dropship as well? I had to wait longer for an item because it wasn't stocked once. It had to be shipped from the original producer.
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 29, 2009 05:53PM)
Hmmm, I live in the US, and I ordered 2 decks and the cheapest shipping was 5 bucks...

Personally, that's not a bad deal to me.
I have had magic stores charge me much more for about the same quantity.

Besides, with the discounts there are for it now...this may be the cheapest chance to get your hands on some.

-Jacob
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 06:02PM)
I agree with you Jacob. Even MJM can't beat the price with the discounts E is offering. However, I am not that familiar with shipping costs within the US, but I've heard people complain about E's shipping before. That was before they offered different shipping options. Most people I heard complain about the shipping cost were those who live oversea. To hear someone from the States say E's shipping is too much makes me wonder why it's not cheaper to ship within the States than it is to ship to Canada. Or, maybe they are not aware of the different shipping options. Either way, I'm looking forward to receiving my decks of Arcane. Who knows how long they will stay in stock, or even if E will allow other distributor's sell them. I suppose that's a chance some will take to save a penny.
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Oct 29, 2009 07:29PM)
Ok for 8 ghost decks at E it would cost me USPS Priority Mail $11.70. If I went to The Magic Warehouse it would only cost me $ 7.85. Plus there prices are exactly the same as E also. E's shipping prices are sadly a bit jacked up.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 07:54PM)
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On 2009-10-29 20:29, wpt1031 wrote:
Ok for 8 ghost decks at E it would cost me USPS Priority Mail $11.70. If I went to The Magic Warehouse it would only cost me $ 7.85. Plus there prices are exactly the same as E also. E's shipping prices are sadly a bit jacked up.
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You made me look at Magic Warehouse and I see the Ghost Deck is the same price, but E offers discounts on multiple purchases. If you buy 6 decks of Ghosts at E you only pay $4.50 for each deck. So, in actuality E sells them for less. Also, Magic Warehouse has been sold out of Ghosts for a while now and E still has them in stock. These are obviously points to consider. You can't buy something from someone for less if they don't have them in stock. I'm not going to do the math anymore. If you really think you'll get a better deal from somewhere else, who am I to argue that, but so far my math, and the fact that only E has the Arcane decks in stock tells me the best deal for those who like to save money is with E.

If you disagree, please do the math first. I would love to save money and I am always willing to save a few bucks when I can, but I don't want to hear from those who haven't figured out the math for themselves first. Also, how did you figure out what the shipping fee would be for 8 decks from the Magic Warehouse? Seeing that they've been sold out for a while and you can't get a shipping estimate on something they don't have in stock. I know, I tried. ;}
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Oct 29, 2009 08:04PM)
I just did the math with 8 other decks Gospel Dan. I actually used Black Ghost Decks since the Ghost decks were sold out but I didn't think it would be that big of a deal. Hey I like everyone else Gospel Dan I love to save money so I'm going to look for the best deal.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 29, 2009 09:14PM)
Keep me informed. :)
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Oct 29, 2009 09:22PM)
I will do my best.
Message: Posted by: Salby (Oct 30, 2009 07:50AM)
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The shipping for 2 Decks to New Jersey is $8.00.

$4.00 per deck???

That's more than 50% of the cost of each deck ($7.00).

No thanks.... $11.00 per deck is a bit too much.

I'll wait until other Magic shops get the decks and have shipping for Free.
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Message: Posted by: booswain (Oct 30, 2009 07:51AM)
I tried again to look for a diff shipping price..and it was like 5.50...still a lot for 2 decks of cards....
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 30, 2009 11:09AM)
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On 2009-10-30 08:50, Salby wrote:
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The shipping for 2 Decks to New Jersey is $8.00.

$4.00 per deck???

That's more than 50% of the cost of each deck ($7.00).

No thanks.... $11.00 per deck is a bit too much.

I'll wait until other Magic shops get the decks and have shipping for Free.
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That's wierd. Maybe someone from E can jump in and explain the shipping costs of E. It's not making any sense.

I was only charged $5.00 shipping for the same number of decks, and I live much father than you. I live in a different country. It sounds like E may actually be gauging american customers. I don't know for sure, but it would be nice to find out why E charges the way they do.
Message: Posted by: Salby (Oct 30, 2009 11:44AM)
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I redid my "order" today and this is what I got:

- 2 Decks: $12.99
- Shipping to New Jersey: $5.24

That is a total of $18.23 for 2 decks ($9.12 per deck).

Nearly $10 per deck is still a bit much... Don't you think??

Still-- I rather wait til other Magic Shops get these decks and not have to pay for shipping.

Ellusionist even offers $3.00 Flat-rate shipping, but only for orders of $50 or more. Well, I don't want to spend $50. What can't I get a Flat-rate of $3.00, instead of $5.24???
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Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 30, 2009 01:17PM)
You didn't take advantage of the discounts?
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Oct 30, 2009 02:15PM)
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On 2009-10-30 12:44, Salby wrote:
Nearly $10 per deck is still a bit much... Don't you think??

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But the cards have spooky macabre images on them, come on!
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 30, 2009 02:52PM)
Hey guys.

The discount in the link I posted also works for anything in your order.

I'm not sure what to tell you all about the shipping. But I do know that Ellusionist has never lost one of my orders, delayed in sending it, or had any issues of any kind. I have had issues with other sites when it comes to shipping.

Anyways. I ordered my 2 trail decks and saved some of my money. And Ellusionist is selling a lot of these decks. They sent an e-mail out with over 6,000 sold. So I guess shipping isn't to bad for some.

Anyways...the promo code will be there for a few more days from what I hear.

-Jacob
Message: Posted by: Seeker (Oct 31, 2009 03:17PM)
Hey guys...

Got my cards today in the mail.

I am definitely happy and disappointed.

I am very excited and impressed with the white version of this deck.

VERY NICE.
But the blacks...well, I don't think they are up to par with the white. I feel like they don't show the details.

Anyone notice the snake on the front of the box?
-Jacob
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Oct 31, 2009 04:45PM)
In regards to shipping (whether getting items from Ellusionist or anyone else for that matter) - have you been to the post office lately, or even United Parcel?

With all the new regulations and raise hikes it is no wonder that anyone can afford to stay in business these days - it is truly ridiculous.

Just venting out-loud. Shipping DVDs to customers ([url=http://www.themagicbakery.com]The Magic Bakery[/url]) is getting more expensive every few months with no end in sight it would seem. :smoke:
Message: Posted by: Steve Landavazo (Nov 2, 2009 06:11PM)
I just gotta say I am probably the most wasteful of anyone here on the Café, and I have no problem admitting it! Ha!

Heck, I'm actually kind of proud to say that I drove with a buddy all the way to Oregon from California to get a Johnson Hopping Half and a dang TT! Ha!

Steve
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (Mar 27, 2011 03:41PM)
Anyone know if these will be reproduced as is? Sellers already bumping prices due to sell out.

TIA

Jason