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Topic: Vishnu Rope Mystery
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Oct 27, 2009 01:02PM)
I've recently become interested in the Vishnu Rope mystery. I understand Shigeo Takagi had perhaps the best technique. And the Bob Ellis Vishnu Cut is perhaps the most natural method of all. Can anyone suggest a source for both the Shigeo Takagi technique and the Bob Ellis handling?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 28, 2009 06:56PM)
Magic Inc. Sold this years ago. Don't think they are manufacturer or not. Was this published in Tarbell 8?
Message: Posted by: John Long (Oct 28, 2009 08:43PM)
Al Angelo has seen the Shigeo peformance (I haven't), you could try Pm'ing him.

Otherwise, the trick itself is explained in
- Fulve's Self Working Rope p77
- or Tarbell V6 p159 (which is entitled "Bob Ellis' Vishnu Rope Mystery)
- there is an improved handling in the Wiz Kids rope dvd
- Daryls expert rope dvd V3 has an alternate handling
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 7, 2010 09:56AM)
The Bob Ellis handling of the vishnu rope mystery is on page 77 of the Karl Fulves book. I have a VHS copy (in Japanese) of the Shigeo Takagi handling of this trick. Mr Takagi's handling is perfect, I first saw it performed by Dick Cavett on a comedy special over 20 years ago, and I did not find out anything more about this great trick until my good friend Vinny Marini shared Mr. Takagi's handling with me. It is my favorite rope magic magic trick, because it is good enough to fool a magician. I even bought some thicker cut & restore rope that I only use for this beautiful trick.
Message: Posted by: Michael J (Oct 10, 2010 07:49AM)
The Bob Ellis handling is in Tarbell. Sorry don't know which volume but it is Lesson 75 ROPE MAGIC

Michael J
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 10, 2010 09:08AM)
I think it is in Tarbell, Volume 6, page 159.

Woland
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 10, 2010 09:15AM)
According to the Denis Behr bibliography online, it is in Tarbell Volume 6, page 159.

It also appears in Karl Fulves's Self-Working Rope Magic, Dover, 1990, which is available online in Google Books.

Woland
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 12, 2010 07:13PM)
If I am not mistaken, Shigeo Takagi's handling of the cut and restored rope with the scissor handling associated with the Vishnu Rope Mystery can be found as "Double Cut and Restored Rope" in the book, "The Amazing Miracles of Shigeo Takagi," by Richard Kaufman (ASIN: B002YN3HPG).

Woland
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 13, 2010 03:26PM)
The basic Bob Ellis handling of the "Vishnu Rope Mystery" is in the Karl Fulves book on page 77. The double cut and restore rope trick is in "The Amazing Miracles of Shigeo Takagi" by Richard Kaufman on page 68, but it is a little harder to follow, and niether one of these sources shows you how to position your body properly. I would go with the Karl Fulves book because it is a better book, a cheaper book, has clear handling instructions, and is a fabulous source of rope magoc.

I also have a DVD copy of a VHS tape that is in Japanese. Mr Takagi's handling, and body positioning for this trick is far superior to everyone else in the world IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 13, 2010 04:53PM)
Al,

Thanks for your perceptive comment. I agree that the description in the Shigeo Takagi book is hard to follow! I couldn't figure it out at all. The Fulves book is better. I have not obtained Tarbell Volume 6, yet, but it is on the way.

I believe you when you say that Takagi-san's handling is the best in the world. I tried to run before I could walk, and walk before I could crawl.

For my money, the most direct instruction in the C&R rope effect can be found in the expanded Panama Rope Mystery instructions which are available from Professor Spellbinder. I think with that as a basis, I can now begin to better appreciate some of the subtleties in the other routines and methods.

Woland
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 13, 2010 05:43PM)
Woland
I believe that Michael Finney does the Panama rope trick the best these days.

If I can simply explain the Takagi body possitioning. He slides the scissors on the rope down his left side, after he grasps the rope he moves his left hand down, and his right hand up, they come together at the center of his body, he then makes the secret move behind the knuckles of his left hand, which shields everything from the audiences view, but this all has to be done in one sweeping move.

Along with the Karl Fulves write up you should be OK
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 13, 2010 07:22PM)
Al,

Thanks for the explanation. I will review the description in the book with your comments in mind.

By the way, I wonder if you or anyone here has read Dariel Fitzkee's book on "The only six ways to restore a rope."

With thanks,

Woland
Message: Posted by: murf (Oct 13, 2010 09:21PM)
I haven't thought of the Fitzkee book in a long time! I just went and pulled it off the bookshelf --- now all I need is the time to read it again. I always say there are just three possible ways to restore a rope, and I'm curious to see how he came up with six.

Murf
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 14, 2010 09:47AM)
Several TMC writers whose opinions I greatly respect have criticized Fitzkee in other threads for an overly deductive or analytical approach to magical invention. That may be so. However, in terms of analyzing methods or approaches that are already out there, I think that an analytical approach might give some clarity. Moreover, his writings on misdirection come highly recommended by several TMC writers whose opinions I also greatly respect.

With respect to the C&R Rope, there are so many slightly different ways of getting it done -- dozens and dozens are listed in Gabe Fajuri's edition of the Stewart James Encyclopedia, where they are organized as impromptu, prepared, or unprepared -- that it seems it wold be helpful to understand how they differ.

Woland
Message: Posted by: Sallymagi (Oct 14, 2010 07:37PM)
Is it OK to get it off of the net?
Message: Posted by: Cranial Fermentator (Oct 14, 2010 09:05PM)
Daryl teaches the Vishnu Rope mystery on Daryl's Expert Rope Magic Made Easy Volume 3: The Great White Rope DVD.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 14, 2010 09:08PM)
I like Daryl's work.

I got hold of a copy of Tarbell Volume 6 today. I think the drawings in Tarbell are clearer than those in Fulves.

I'm going to practice this technique with the aid of both, and with Al Angello's explanation. Perhaps that will prepare me for Takagi-san's refinements . . .

Woland
Message: Posted by: magicians (Nov 12, 2010 11:57AM)
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On 2010-10-14 22:08, Woland wrote:
I like Daryl's work.

I got hold of a copy of Tarbell Volume 6 today. I think the drawings in Tarbell are clearer than those in Fulves.

I'm going to practice this technique with the aid of both, and with Al Angello's explanation. Perhaps that will prepare me for Takagi-san's refinements . . .

Woland
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I am totally impressed with your rope knowledge and how much you have absorbed in such a short time. Keep up the good work. I think I will come to you with questions from now on. I learned most of my rope work directly from Ted Collins, George Sands, John Cornelious, and Phil Wilmarth. I have an old lecture manuscript from Takagi and was amazed that an entire lecture was devoted to that one trick.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Nov 12, 2010 05:54PM)
Magic Ian,

You are too kind. I like rope effects and routines, and it seemed worth the trouble to look at the sources. As I mentioned in another thread, I think it was your recommendation of George Sands that got me started.


Woland
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Nov 14, 2010 10:13AM)
Hoaky Smokey
The thing you find on your book shelf. I have the Daryl rope magic DVD set, but never looked at his "Vishnu rope mystery" until today. Daryl does a great job of explaining this trick, and you can't go wrong doing it just like he does it.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Nov 15, 2010 06:06PM)
Al,

That's a good find. As I said, I like Daryl's work, but I am not familiar with that comprehensive DVD. Right now I have my hands full with Tarbell, Fulves, and Magic Ian, and the others I've mentioned . . . and I am expecting what I hope will be a special source soon . . . I will post a report in this thread when I examine it.

Woland
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Nov 15, 2010 08:15PM)
Meanwhile, you got an enviable amount of good stuff to read...
Message: Posted by: Woland (Nov 15, 2010 08:28PM)
Reading and studying it is only the beginning . . . practicing it goes through a lot of rope . . . because I do like actually cutting the rope . . . but I can see how "cutting" the rope with cutting it might be attractive!


Woland
Message: Posted by: mtstic44 (Nov 27, 2010 12:31PM)
I learned it from Fulves I learned a lot of good rope tricks from that book.Then I got the the Daryl Rope Magic dvds.He taught it greater in detail so I could see what it should look like.