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Topic: Walking Puppet
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Nov 3, 2009 09:52AM)
I was just browsing in the net and found this. Looks interesting to me. I wonder if I can use my hard figure head on this. I also wonder why they call it a "supernatural puppet".
http://www.52magic.com/product_865.html
http://www.56.com/u63/v_NDcyMjM3NTY.html
Message: Posted by: harris (Nov 3, 2009 10:19AM)
Very interesting puppet. Of course with a little "human/puppeteer" animation, even a simple puppet like Nigel(a Folkmanis) can appear to take a few steps.

This bit gets a great reaction. I have to have a table or something to make this visible to larger audiences.
Message: Posted by: Servante (Nov 3, 2009 11:41AM)
Something strange and charming about those puppets.
You can see the rods on the bottoms of the feet from the far angle, of course.
But it's eerie how it seems to come to life, eh?
Still, I think I'll stick with Louie and Sylvia and Cooter and Huck.
They move ME.
:)

-Philip
Message: Posted by: Tod Todson (Nov 3, 2009 07:04PM)
Looks neat to me! You could walk it out like video, and then with your back turned (and practice), quickly convert it to regular dummy ant set it up on your box for normal vent routine.

Tod
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Nov 4, 2009 05:36PM)
I might be getting this soon. I just don't trust the site because it has a lot of "pirated" tricks. But the walking puppet seems to be their exclusive.
Message: Posted by: maps (Dec 8, 2009 09:39AM)
Hi Lou,
Let us know how you like the puppet.
Message: Posted by: Bernie Balloons (Dec 20, 2009 01:23AM)
Did you get it yet??
Message: Posted by: harry knight (Dec 27, 2009 01:58PM)
That site has a forum (I think it belongs to them), can't understand it though, but maybe someone can. There maybe some info on the puppet there. Here's the link http://www.52magic.net
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jun 28, 2012 08:55PM)
Just remembered this again. Still thinking if I should get one. Does anyone have it or heard any reviews?
I was thinking of making a duplicate head of my figure to replace that cheesy head.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jun 28, 2012 08:57PM)
This is the new link:
http://www.52magic.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=865&productname=
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Jun 29, 2012 10:12PM)
These are cool, I wish I had a need for one and could justify buying one.
Actually, I wish I could see how they are built, I could probably make my own.
Message: Posted by: Budihaha (Jul 20, 2012 08:28PM)
The puppets balancing is very good so it can stand freely, maybe there is a locking mechanism controled by the puppets hand.. I think the clever part is how to move the other leg to front, when standing on one leg sideway. Maybe the answer is using heavy part on feet and swing principle.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Jul 20, 2012 08:35PM)
It doesn't look like it's using a swinging motion to walk, if it is, it must be very slight.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Apr 15, 2013 09:22PM)
Finally got my Walking Puppet.

[url=http://s271.photobucket.com/user/maskgeek/media/896765_10200939331676625_1695860698_o.jpg.html][img]http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/maskgeek/896765_10200939331676625_1695860698_o.jpg[/img][/url]

Here is the inside back view exposed. A standard headstick can be placed inside.

[url=http://s271.photobucket.com/user/maskgeek/media/898835_10200939342396893_342154932_o.jpg.html][img]http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/maskgeek/898835_10200939342396893_342154932_o.jpg[/img][/url]

I tried walking it out in the street and it looks like a midget walking. BTW, that is not the original face. I just placed a mask on it to look more realistic instead of that mannequin boy head.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 16, 2013 04:28AM)
Cool!
Does the head have anything to do with the walking like being weighted or something, or could it be replaced with a vent head?
Can the puppet be made to sit when it's not walking?
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Apr 16, 2013 04:37AM)
It can walk without the head. As I said, you can use any standard headstick or vent head. No, it cant sit down. I would just operate the head while it is in a standing position. BTW, it does stand by itself.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Apr 16, 2013 07:50AM)
I have seen this before but havenot taken the plunge, its a lot of money to send out to a relatively unknown companyy and I seem to remember seeing complaints here on the Café. How did you find dealing ith them ?
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 16, 2013 03:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 05:37, Lou Hilario wrote:
It can walk without the head. As I said, you can use any standard headstick or vent head. No, it cant sit down. I would just operate the head while it is in a standing position. BTW, it does stand by itself.
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Thanks for the info Lou. I had a feeling it wouldn't be able to sit, but like you said, it could just be used standing, but glad to hear the head could be replaced with a vent head, I may have to think about getting one. Look forward to hearing your response to George's question as to how it was dealing with the people that sell them.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Apr 16, 2013 06:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 08:50, george1953 wrote:
I have seen this before but havenot taken the plunge, its a lot of money to send out to a relatively unknown companyy and I seem to remember seeing complaints here on the Café. How did you find dealing ith them ?
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I did not deal with them. I bought this from a friend.
I just checked their website and the cost has gone down from $850 to $265. One thing I noticed is that the legs are now shorter compared to the video.
http://www.52magic.com/product_865.html
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Apr 16, 2013 07:53PM)
Here is my creative friend, Patrick Wan, converted his Walking Puppet with a remote control head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KVsXKTXqNs0
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Apr 17, 2013 12:44AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 20:53, Lou Hilario wrote:
Here is my creative friend, Patrick Wan, converted his Walking Puppet with a remote control head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KVsXKTXqNs0
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Thank you for sharing that!

Would it be possible to change (or cover up) the legs & feet easily
without disturbing the walking mechanism?


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Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 17, 2013 01:32AM)
It could be something new to show if you have a regular act... like when everyone knows your main figure already... but this time he walks with you instead of you carrying him as you enter the stage...

I want one :)
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 17, 2013 03:37AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 19:38, Lou Hilario wrote:
I just checked their website and the cost has gone down from $850 to $265. One thing I noticed is that the legs are now shorter compared to the video.
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That's what caught my eye and had me thinking about it. 850 was definitely out of the question. but 265., is doable even if it doesn't get used a lot.
Message: Posted by: Walden (Apr 18, 2013 09:11PM)
Didn't some ventriloquists of the music hall and Vaudeville era, around the turn of the 20th Century, use walking figures?
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Apr 18, 2013 09:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:11, Walden wrote:
Didn't some ventriloquists of the music hall and Vaudeville era, around the turn of the 20th Century, use walking figures?
[/quote]

Yes, check the picture of Tom Coram, for example, on page 43 of my Pictorial History.
You can download a copy from my website if you don't already have it.

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dummies for sale & free ebooks

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Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 18, 2013 10:35PM)
Ordered one... I cant wait to use it in one of my regular gigs... this time we enter the stage walking together... could be a cool opener :)
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 19, 2013 12:34AM)
Good Wanlu, then you can give us a review of how that company is to deal with.
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 19, 2013 12:39AM)
I ordered from a friend of mine who is our local magic dealer :)
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 19, 2013 01:22AM)
So much for that idea..... :)
Guess if I decide to get one at some point, I will just have to decide if I want to take a gamble on it.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 19, 2013 06:19AM)
Ouch! Just registered for the site, put one in a cart to get the total with shipping - 415.38 (134. for shipping) - that might make me have to think about it a lot more, especially with not being able to find any reviews on dealing with that company.
Looking at the video, the wood part of the construction is pretty simple, boarsd for the arms and legs, I may just work on figuring out how to make one myself, with a little ingenuity, I might be able to figure out on my own how to do the walking mechanism.
Message: Posted by: Walden (Apr 24, 2013 01:33AM)
I can see that a creative mind could do some wonderful gags with this. Think of Clifford Guest chasing his figure around the stage when it came time to put him in the case.
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 24, 2013 07:53PM)
When a crowd is familiar with your figure, the walking thing could be cool. Imagine Walther walking in with Jeff in one of their regular shows... :)
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 24, 2013 07:56PM)
Im guessing the Macks and Frank Marshall used to make walking figures... does anyone know if those Marshall walking figures have the capability to sit like a regular figure?
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Apr 24, 2013 09:47PM)
Here's a picture of an old Quisto figure that apparently both walks and sits:

Quisto Walking Ventriloquist dummy:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-quisto-walking-ventriloquist-dummy-3989947-details.aspx?intObjectID=3989947
Message: Posted by: marshalldoll (Apr 25, 2013 05:55PM)
I have 3 Frank Marshall walking figures and Wanlu the answer is they will in fact sit if the chair is the correct height. You must remember that the upper and lower part of the legs are wood which are jointed at the hip and knee. So a correct chair height is a must for them to sit.
Dan
http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 25, 2013 07:55PM)
I didn't know the answer to whether they could sit or not, if I had taken a guess, I would have guessed "no", but I've never seen one up close and personal.
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 25, 2013 08:01PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-25 18:55, marshalldoll wrote:
I have 3 Frank Marshall walking figures and Wanlu the answer is they will in fact sit if the chair is the correct height. You must remember that the upper and lower part of the legs are wood which are jointed at the hip and knee. So a correct chair height is a must for them to sit.
Dan
http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com
[/quote]

Cool! Thanks Dan :)
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 25, 2013 08:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-25 18:55, marshalldoll wrote:
I have 3 Frank Marshall walking figures and Wanlu the answer is they will in fact sit if the chair is the correct height. You must remember that the upper and lower part of the legs are wood which are jointed at the hip and knee. So a correct chair height is a must for them to sit.
Dan
http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com
[/quote]

Cool! Thanks Dan :)
Message: Posted by: Walden (Apr 29, 2013 05:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:38, Fonsy wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:11, Walden wrote:
Didn't some ventriloquists of the music hall and Vaudeville era, around the turn of the 20th Century, use walking figures?
[/quote]

Yes, check the picture of Tom Coram, for example, on page 43 of my Pictorial History.
You can download a copy from my website if you don't already have it.

FONSY
http://fonsy.weebly.com/
dummies for sale & free ebooks

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[/quote]Try as I might, I haven't been able to find it there.
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Apr 29, 2013 09:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:11, Walden wrote:
Didn't some ventriloquists of the music hall and Vaudeville era, around the turn of the 20th Century, use walking figures?
[/quote]

In John Schaibley's book... Memoirs of a Ventriloquist... he has a photo of his Mack walking figure :)

That Mack head is with me right now... unfortunately, just the head.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Apr 30, 2013 03:46PM)
At least you have that, lots of people would be happy to have even just the head.
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (May 9, 2013 10:10PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKYebNyMlV4
Message: Posted by: maps (May 10, 2013 06:56AM)
You probably need a knack for making it move properly.I've seen one recently which is the one on youtube posted above.
Message: Posted by: Walden (May 10, 2013 05:26PM)
It bears some relation to walking a marionette, I think, only instead of moving it back and forth with strings, you are using the figure's stick to do the same sort of thing. The size and weight may be big differences.