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Topic: The psychic, the magician, the hypnotist, and the mentalist...
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Nov 18, 2009 08:33AM)
Recently I was working with a client who has booked hypnotists and psychic readers for stage shows in the past...

I'm curious...

Rank the following in the order YOU think audiences are most keenly interested. I will post a brief descriptor with each...

Magician: Illusions, slight of hand, etc
Hypnotist: Self explanatory
Mentalist: Do I need to explain?
Psychic Reader: Some one souly lecturing on intuition, growing psychic gifts, etc. They may do the occasional reading -- but nothing even remotely close to a Q&A.

Rate these in order of what you feel lay audiences find MOST appealing to watch on stage...

My List...

1)Psychic
2)Mentalist
3)Hypnotist
4)Magician

thoughts?

J
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Nov 18, 2009 08:44AM)
1. Psychic
2. Hypnotist

And tied for a very, very distant third is:
mentalist/magician (tie, possible edge to mentalist among older audiences, and magician among younger audiences)
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Nov 18, 2009 08:45AM)
Pickpocket my friend, don't forget the pickpocket ( I don't talk here about the magicians steal only the classic watch, but a man like Apollo and co.

Psychic
hypnotist
pickpocket
mentalist
magician
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Nov 18, 2009 09:02AM)
I will say this -- I asked the booker to put out his list...

This is what he told me...

1:Psychic/mentalist: 1 and the same in the eyes of most. It's hot right now because of the media, its new and different.

2:Hypnotist: People have seen a million hyp shows a million times.

3:Magician: Magic is for kids and there are too many bad Birthday party magicians out there...

This gentleman is an entertainment buyer for a large venue I have been working with. I thought his insight was interesting. ( considering at the end of the day he is the guy that writes the cheques and hires the acts ).

J
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Nov 18, 2009 09:13AM)
As these are all labels.....especially to Laymen. What other discriptives can be used to convey psychic, mentalist,hypnotist,magician?

I think labels might make:
magicians "bad birthday party entertainers"
Hypnotist "People have seen a million hyp shows a million times. "
Psychic may be seen as a Sylvia Browne
Mentalist as a "Kreskin" (we would be lucky if they think of him)
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Nov 18, 2009 09:16AM)
Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and all but one person on it, magicians.

There is a difference between say John Edward and Gerry McCambridge, I don't know one booker who would classify them the same.

Are you sure the “booker” was not pulling your leg?
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Nov 18, 2009 09:27AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 10:16, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and al but one person on it, magicians.

There is a difference between say John Edward and Gerry McCambridge, I don't know one booker who would classify them the same.
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I separated mine in the post above, because I also believe they are NOT the same thing. Similar in ways....I can agree with as I think there is some cross-over there, but surely no the same.
Message: Posted by: Scott Burton (Nov 18, 2009 09:32AM)
Ultimately, I think that audiences want to be entertained and will go for the most interesting, fun, engaging (etc) performer first regardless of the title or their expertise.

Plus...these titles are simply "titles" and mean different things to different people with varying preconceived ideas. The list could be different for every person. And...every person would likely change their mind on the order after seeing a good performer who exists in one of their bottom categories.

I think audiences gravitate and develop a liking to the person (the performer) and their ability to entertain rather than what specifically they do.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Nov 18, 2009 09:32AM)
Magicmind:

Sorry for confusion, I was typing mine when you made your post. My post is in reference to Jeff's post above yours.

Tony
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 18, 2009 09:42AM)
I agree with Scott. It depends on how popular the entertainer is.

Another thing that is important is the type of audience. Kids are not interested in mentalist as much as magicians. But if this is on a college campus, it is a different story.

Another way to rate them deals with how good the content is that describes each entertainer during advertisement.

A comedian will be good to have on the list too.
Message: Posted by: Alel (Nov 18, 2009 09:52AM)
Don't you think this topic is better moved to this section?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=44&43076

Just suggesting...:)
Message: Posted by: pearljamjeff (Nov 18, 2009 10:00AM)
Depends on the performer. Depends on the audience. Copperfield killed it in his day. Jon Edward is the medium version of Copperfield (in terms of success).

It's all about market segmentation. No act is ever going to be inherently more appealing to everyone. Knowing ones target audience is key.

The booker needs a marketing lesson.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 18, 2009 10:02AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 10:52, Alel wrote:
Don't you think this topic is better moved to this section?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=44&43076

Just suggesting...:)
[/quote]
It is good here, but thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alexo (Nov 18, 2009 10:36AM)
It really depends on the crowd. For example at my college I attended 3 shows and found almost the exact opposite of what's suggested here. One by a hypnotist whose name I can't remember, The Evasons (mentalists), and Justin Kredible (magician). Here's how they measured out in audience turn out
1. Justin Kredible
2. Evasons
3. The hypnotist.
So in this instance the magician had the highest turnout and the most positive response. Justin even got a write-up in the school paper the next day.
So who really knows?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Nov 18, 2009 10:37AM)
I'm with Tony on this one, all the way!

1. Psychic/Reader
2. Hypnotist
3. Mentalist/Magician (maybe even with the magician going first!)

I also find it very, very odd that a booker would consider a psychic and mentalist the same thing.
Message: Posted by: pearljamjeff (Nov 18, 2009 10:44AM)
Tony, Phenomenon almost [i]was[/i] a magic show... almost. The gentleman who won was clearly a magician. The rest of the world doesn't hate magicians nearly as much as mentalists do... go figure!
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Nov 18, 2009 10:57AM)
Perhaps it depends on how you position yourself -- which apparently was lost in translation here.

This is what may have lead the booker to position a psychic and mentalist in the same grouping.

Either way -- just relaying what the booker said.

J
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Nov 18, 2009 11:44AM)
Perhaps you booker was a bad booker, he doesn't know anything about mentalist or/and psychic ?
I know lot of very bad booker, I think there's more bad booker than bad mentalists.
thank to internet to have "liberate" a little bit the market.
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Nov 18, 2009 11:54AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 10:16, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and all but one person on it, magicians.
[/quote]

Id say all but TWO persons on it, magicians
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Nov 18, 2009 12:02PM)
To me, depending on his approach, a mentalist is either a psychic or a magician. If he is a magician I have little interest in watching him - and if he leans towards the psychic (readings, Q&A, two-person telepathy) then I love it.

So I would rank them:
Psychic
Hypnotist
Magician.

It's interesting that most people seem to rank them in that order, including the booker. At the moment I am rebranding my hypnosis show and the direction I have decided to go is the psychic one - I am now calling myself the Psychic Hypnotist.
If people on this forum are any guide, I think I may be onto something.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Nov 18, 2009 12:37PM)
[quote]
At the moment I am rebranding my hypnosis show and the direction I have decided to go is the psychic one - I am now calling myself the Psychic Hypnotist.
If people on this forum are any guide, I think I may be onto something.
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Yes, this is what I was referring to above.....relabeling so that it is specific to just you, not a group of labeled people. Something to set yourself apart. Although you used two of the label words together.....it would still be better.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Nov 18, 2009 05:02PM)
I don't think laymen split hairs on "mentalist / psychic" nearly as much as magicians do.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Nov 18, 2009 07:27PM)
Ask this in a different forum, your results may change!
Message: Posted by: julieannjohnson (Nov 18, 2009 07:38PM)
I am going to assume (and I may be way wrong, so pelase forgive me) that you are interested in earning a living -- that "popularity" to you is not only about inflating your ego and increasing your fame, but also about paying the mortgage and keeping the kiddies in shoes.

Magicians certainly get the most fame, and the best ones have wealth-generating work coming out of their ears, but many of the magicians I know work only part time and hold down a "straight job" on the side. This is not the case with the Psychics I know. Most of them either can or do work full time as Psychic Entertainers.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Nov 19, 2009 08:40AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 20:27, lunatik wrote:
Ask this in a different forum, your results may change!
[/quote]

It likely depends on the forum.

For the most part, the non-magicians I've talked to lump 'psychic' and 'mentalist' together and usually give the opinion of either, "It's all real," or, "It's all fake."

Your results may vary.