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Topic: Magic awards??
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Nov 19, 2009 07:21PM)
Oh goody looks like I am the only knuckle head pausing live TV to start this thread before any one else.

so honest question. from the preview it looks like a lot of stuff we have all seen before
franz burned illusion
lance back stage (although I do love this one)
finney card on forehead
and then correct me if I am wrong but the Twins said that NO ONE has ever performed the sawing in half before with clear boxes but did not the pendragons do this first.

any who I love that the award show is back and going to un pause live tv to watch the rest of it.

I know I am coming off as a complainer before the show has even goteen 15 minutes out but really OH wait I get it. we magicians have seen this stuff before but lay people most likely have not. oddly enough more magicians are probably watching then lay people.

ok going to shut up now and open it up to the floor

what are your thoughts on the show.

good points?
bad points?
how can we improve it for next year?
how many of us are stealing a routine from the show tonight:) LOL
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Nov 19, 2009 09:07PM)
I love how joeseph gabriel uses his assitants rathere th en tables. so clean and so polished although it looked liek there were a snag or two but the audience never saw it.
sweet performance!
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Nov 19, 2009 11:32PM)
When did it aired and where ?

Message: Posted by: Laszlo Csizmadi (Nov 19, 2009 11:36PM)
One of the assistant (Katalin Czekman) is his wife. :)
You saw her act abot 20 minutes later.



On My TV Nov 19, 2009 at 8 PM. It was 2 hours long.
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (Nov 20, 2009 06:33AM)
The "no one ever used clear boxes before" for sawing a women in half is just showmanship. I don't think you want to start giving credits out during your show.

Anyway...that is the best version (I also saw the Pendragons do it) I ever saw. I have no clue how it works.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: rockthemike (Nov 20, 2009 07:09AM)
Kat is SEXY.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Barry and Stuart, and I've seen all their stuff about 20x, but still I loved seeing them again. Same with Finney's routine. Great.

Was the Teen Magician of the Year using a knock off Losander table, or was that a Losander? I say this because it looked really cheap AND he picked it up with one arm at the end. I don't know how it works but isn't it supposed to give the illusion that it's heavy?

Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 20, 2009 07:15AM)
The Awards show was posted in the TV section and under Tied Up section congratuating Ms Mogan on her excellent job.

I love levitations and none was shown.

I like some of the other older Awards shows much better!
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Nov 20, 2009 08:13AM)
I felt they hurried Morgan. I did nt like the rush feeling there was no build up. but I am glad to see her onthe show. I saw her and bundy over the weekend at a magic convention we were both attending.

I agree Dennis the older shows had a much better quality to them and a fun feel.

I am still glad they are producing them.
Message: Posted by: Micheal Leath (Nov 20, 2009 11:05AM)
On 2009-11-20 08:09, rockthemike wrote:

Was the Teen Magician of the Year using a knock off Losander table, or was that a Losander? I say this because it looked really cheap AND he picked it up with one arm at the end. I don't know how it works but isn't it supposed to give the illusion that it's heavy?


It didn't appear to be a knock off. I believe it is a model that he no longer sells. I couldn't find it on his site, but I know he used to sell one like that.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Nov 20, 2009 11:34AM)
Sure, it's most of the same acts we've seen over and over again. The important thing to remember is that there is magic on television. This time around they are professional acts, no exposure and its fun for the whole family.

More good magic on television brings us all more work. Bad magic and exposure brings us all down.

I've only seen part of the show and I enjoyed what I saw so far.

Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Nov 20, 2009 12:23PM)
Does anyone know if there will be any clips of this online? Or where I could find them? I would have loved to have see it, but due to my unfortunate locale I was unable.

Message: Posted by: reedrc (Nov 20, 2009 12:23PM)
I missed it too. Hope they re-air sometime.
Message: Posted by: mark2004 (Nov 20, 2009 01:13PM)
Be careful before being too harsh with people over props used in this show. I know that at least one of the performers (Morgan) had to work with a prop the production company had found and hired in for her. I guess others might have been in similar situations where they specified a prop but it was the producers that sorted out the particular item which was used.

I won't say too much because I think Morgan might be going to explain the story in her blog, but from what she's already posted in the Café it sounds like she really was dicing with death on the Table of Death. Serious respect to her for going through with the performance.
Message: Posted by: aboycemagic (Nov 20, 2009 02:50PM)
Tommy Wind, new teenage magician of the year, presentation is horrible. I saw him live at the trickzone theater in AC and he knows nothing about showmanship and tries to be "a big illusionest" with a floating table. Kyle is much better.
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Nov 20, 2009 03:24PM)
The first clips of this years (2009) Magic Awards have appeared on youtube!

Ed Alonzo:


Joseph Gabriel:

Message: Posted by: DanielGreenWolf (Nov 20, 2009 03:47PM)
I DVR'ed the WMAs last night and in some cases, it made me long for the days of World's Greatest Magic and the Copperfield specials on CBS (And Lance's specials on NBC as well). Here's my two cents:

Right off the bat, my issue with the WMAs was always the premise. The awards show premise has given us a bunch of longer-than-necessary painful segues from a lot of actors and celebrities that we could've done without. In the days of Robert Urich, Alan Thicke, John Ritter... all of them were written to be funny (if not a lil' more than slightly corny) but get out of the way of the magic. And they did that quite well. Some of the "presenters" with the WMAs made me want to bash my skull in with the nearest heavy object (which was probably my Mak Magic Genii Tube).

The problem with variety magician specials is that you almost always get the Greats mixed in with the "Meh" performers who do other peoples' magic worse than the originators. One in particular was the teen magician category (Which was pushing the term "teen" when you're 19... it reminded me of the Saved by the Bell cast trying to pull off sophomore students in their 20s... just odd). All the performer did was Losander's table with his basic handling. It just didn't seem original enough to me to merit air time. (I write this with an obvious bias that I love Losander's work and just spent 5 days with him here in CT... but there's still merit to the opinion). I'm not bashing this kid, he did the levitation fairly well, but the performance didn't show me anything about the magician. Also, starting the special with the "Twins" hurt me a little because there were a lot of things they did that make me cringe with disbelief. I'd be surprised if at least a few people went "Is THIS how the special's going to be? Maybe Flash Forward is still on."

A great example of people making it their own was Barry & Stuart doing Kevin James' bowling ball. This was the first... and I mean the FIRST, time I've seen this effect done with originality and character without copying Kevin James' routine. And I've been subjected to this one a lot. So that was particularly refreshing (but I expected nothing less from them).

Some acts we've seen before but remember, that some of the acts were seen on TV over a decade ago (Like Frewin's Shroud Metamorphosis) so its getting to a new generation of fans, hopefully.

Aside from a few mediocre acts, my other issue is the lack of quality of the special itself from a technical standpoint. They did improve from previous years (the station I watched it on managed to properly synch up the audio to the video this time) but its still on this less-than-quality network. I would love to see a magic special like this get the quality funding and network it deserves, but I greatly understand this may be a pipe dream. Gay Blackstone and all the producers are doing their best, and for a good cause, too. And that's great.

One final little nit pick is with Joseph Gabriel's act. The bird act was great, as I expected, but then he did the taxi appearance. Which seemed like a complete non-sequitor. "Bird, Bird, Bird, Birdcage, Big Bird, TAXI...what?" It just seemed disjointed.

So all in all, it was a pretty good special. It wasn't great, but there were enough greats to make the special pretty good. Cut the fat of the "Awards Show" premise and you'd have pretty close to great special.

Just my thoughts... take it for what you will. I've performed a lot of magic and have an obsession with magic specials so please understand where my point of view is coming from.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Nov 20, 2009 05:41PM)
I enjoyed the show. It wasn't perfect, not by any means, but at least it allowed most of the routines to be seen from beginning to end with few edits for time.

My only real complaint is the commercial for the next Masked Magician special about half-way through the broadcast. Talk about crass!
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Nov 20, 2009 10:39PM)
The twins in action:

The clear sawing (clearly impossible) that they use is the Pendragons version build by Bill Smith (Daniel Summers builds them now)
The Bo staff was build by Roy Shank
Message: Posted by: michaangelo (Nov 21, 2009 01:52AM)
I thought the show was pretty good...Did anyone else see the blatant flash in Franz's Illusion where he changed the bottom halves of the two women???
Message: Posted by: James FX (Nov 21, 2009 09:54AM)
I've been looking forward to this show for weeks now so my expectations may have been set a bit high. But overall, it was entertaining and hit the mark. The one greatest improvement to made though would be to get rid of those "celbrity" presenters; they were awful!
Message: Posted by: Fabricem (Nov 21, 2009 10:30AM)
Hey but the Show will be aired 23 of november or I mistake?
I know about 19 of november but somewere I read about change date on 23,
any news?
Message: Posted by: Mad Jack (Nov 21, 2009 01:30PM)
I loved seeing Morgan on the show, but unfortunately I thought that the special for the most part was pretty bad. There were definately some great acts, don't get me wrong, but it's a shame how far our art has fallen from the days of "The World's Greatest Magic" specials. It seemed strange that some well known illusions were being done by other performers, I.E. Hobson's cremation (I doubt it's his, but I believe he used it in Before Your Very Eyes) by Ed Alonzo, and Gabriels monk robe aerial escape (sorry, don't know the proper name of it) being done by Katalin, but that has been explained earlier in this post. I did love Barry and Stuart, but I don't know for the life of me why Franz would choose to end his jet engine escape the way he did.

Just my random thoughts

Mad Jack
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Nov 22, 2009 05:13AM)
Mad Jack,

Ed Alonzo bought the prop (Hobson's cremation) from Mark Kalin.
Katalin Is Joseph Gabriels wife that's why she performed his Monk illusion.
Both of these illusions are classic illusions so it's not that there are signature piece but I agree that it is a bit strange for us magicians to see them performed by other people than we are used to.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Nov 22, 2009 09:03AM)
My first "Oh Brother!" point came when the Twins made the decision to select a volunteer (?) from the audience to put into their (?) "Clearly Impossible".
Message: Posted by: James FX (Nov 22, 2009 09:44AM)
Regarding that "Clearly Impossible", the twin who returned from stage left with the leg box nearly revealed just how "Possible" it was :(
Message: Posted by: bp (Nov 22, 2009 12:41PM)
Nearly revealed!!! Jame FX get a grip! I have seen the Twins a few times [b]live[/b], it's a great trick and they take it to the edge. Would a member of audience see anything? [b]No!!![/b] It's not a TV show for people in magic, but for the general pubic! I thought the volunteer thing was a good idea and worked with the general pubic, Stanyon.

We all should be [b]thanking[/b] The Twins, Marco Tempest, Stuart and Barry, Katalin, Ed Alonzo, Morgan, etc..

Can't wait to see it.

[b]Well done everyone in the show for keeping good magic on TV...[/b]
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Nov 22, 2009 02:13PM)
On 2009-11-22 13:41, bp wrote:
[b]No!!![/b] It's not a TV show for people in magic, but for the general pubic! I thought the volunteer thing was a good idea and worked with the general pubic, Stanyon.
The general public must be more stupid than I think. Oh well, what do I know?
Message: Posted by: jamieallan (Nov 22, 2009 02:32PM)
I guess when you see a magic TV show it is very easy to comment on the magicians and magic they do from the comfort of your PC or Mac being a magician or illusionists.
HERE IS A THOUGHT!!!!Why not ask the people the magic show was made for what they thought...you should all step back and view it from the eyes of the general public....

For what I have seen on youtube...the people that won the awards deserve them and you must all remember what they performed is a very small part of their AWARD WINNING acts!

Perhaps some of you are seeing these acts with the eyes of a green eyed monster...if you don't like what they do, go try and win the awards yourself!

Congratulations the winners of 2009/10 Worlds magic awards!
Message: Posted by: DanielGreenWolf (Nov 22, 2009 03:09PM)
As much as I don't enjoy getting involved with over-emotional posts, Jamie's and BP's were too interesting to me not to pass up.

To BP- I'm ultimately curious what you thought was so "To the Edge" about their version of Clearly Impossible? From what I could see from watching it again is they brought up an "audience member", asked her for her name and where she's from, put her on the table, in the boxes, and did Clearly Impossible almost exactly as Jonathan Pendragon first did, but with less energy than Jonathan. No advanced choreography, direction, or plot line. So I'm honestly curious... what was so "edgy"? Mowhawks does not an edgy performance make.

To Jamie- Gettin' a tad touchy here, aren't you Jamie? We're expressing an opinion based on what we saw. Some of my friends, who are indeed non-magicians, watched the special and felt very similar things towards the Twins' act. But then again, they (and I) feel the same way when Criss Angel brings a "spectator at random from the audience" and does something painfully obviously pre-arranged.

Also, you have to take the Awards Show Premise with a grain of salt. It's not exactly FISM, ya know? I'm glad magic is on TV, but I honestly felt the premise subjected us to way too many unfunny moments with semi-celebrities.

Overall, I guess what I'm trying to say is relax. We're here to talk about magic. As a professional performer, I've won multiple awards and am quite proud of them, but don't feel a need to get into a huff about them... especially here. There were only two very emotional posts on this topic, and it was both of yours. Everyone else was very calm and quite logical with their points, both good and bad.

I also find it interesting that your posts are quite similar in tone and structure. Both 4 lines. Both very emotional. Both congratulating the performers in the last line. Both similar number of posts and both with no picture or any previous posts in the last 30 days. I just found that quite interesting.

Stay cool, you two. It's the internet. Just breathe and we'll all make it out in one piece.
Message: Posted by: bp (Nov 22, 2009 04:07PM)
Sorry my posts are always like that, as I'm a passionate person.

Just don't like the negativity when magic needs programmes and performer like
We saw on The World magic award!!!!!

Don't want to put a photo on the site as I'm a teacher and the kids might find me out !!!!
Message: Posted by: James FX (Nov 22, 2009 04:32PM)
Thank you Daniel, I couldn't have responded any better myself :) Honestly I never imagined that a mere observation could elicit such angry responses. Wow. So have I been "flamed"? I do hope so because I understand that's part of the initiation process here at the Café, lol :)
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Nov 22, 2009 07:33PM)
James FX,


There...now you've really been flamed!

Three more posts and you can join the illuminati in the clubhouse.
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Nov 23, 2009 03:58AM)
Franz Harary:


Michael Finney:

I feel bad this kind of shows never gets on television in Holland.

Grtz Patrick
Message: Posted by: Maloney (Nov 23, 2009 05:40AM)
I never even knew it was coming on. Then again, I don't have the channell it aired on.
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Nov 23, 2009 09:09AM)
Here is the whole show:


Click on Part 2 etc.

Grtz Patrick
Message: Posted by: mumford (Nov 23, 2009 10:37AM)
Nice that magic is on tv, we all wantg that. But if the program is going with an "awards" theme then it should have magic stars like Penn and Teller, Ricky Jay, Copperfield, Blaine, Angel, Siegfried & Roy, to give credibility. Award shows for film, television, music, always have stars and legends the public knows to bring viewers and elevate the status of the production. I watched with some non-magic friends, none thought this was a legitimate awards show but they saw it as a somewhat cheesy premise to present magic acts. That's okay I guess but I feel like there should be a REAL awards telecast that honors nominees as well as winners and gives our art form the respect it deserves.
Message: Posted by: DanielGreenWolf (Nov 23, 2009 01:01PM)
On 2009-11-22 17:07, bp wrote:
Sorry my posts are always like that, as I'm a passionate person.

Just don't like the negativity when magic needs programmes and performer like
We saw on The World magic award!!!!!

Don't want to put a photo on the site as I'm a teacher and the kids might find me out !!!!

No harm, no foul BP.

JamesFX- No problem. I don't write on the Café much, but when I do, I like it to be somewhat relevant. It doesn't always work out that way... but I give it a shot. :)
Message: Posted by: jamieallan (Nov 23, 2009 03:13PM)
Daniel....I was not Gettin' a tad touchy...I was expressing an opinion based on what I saw! This programme shows magic in a good light we need more programmes like this on the box....or would you rather see some mask idiot perform some magic and illusions! Its just my non tad touchy opinion what do I know.......

Cheesy... well that's the USA for you I guess but I like it! And I think it was on a good time slot and on Thanks giving weekend.....

Message: Posted by: Banester (Nov 24, 2009 12:07PM)
Disappointed that they announed the "clear" sawing in half as never been done before when the Pendragon's had already performed it on a TV special. Otherwise, I thought the show was pretty good.
Message: Posted by: magicdeere (Nov 27, 2009 01:42AM)
Does everybody realize this is on the same channel as the bogus Magi?
Message: Posted by: magicdeere (Nov 27, 2009 01:56AM)
Oh, regarding the so called awards, I'm guessing who the producers can get and afford get the awards. (It's a TV show, remember?)
Message: Posted by: James FX (Nov 28, 2009 08:54AM)
Stanyon, thanks for the flame! ... and now I'm two steps closer to a seat in the clubhouse ;)
Message: Posted by: Eris (Dec 7, 2009 08:54PM)
In case anyone missed it. I know it was shown very late out west because of a Basketball game. The World Magic Awards will be on again. Dec. 17
Maybe some other people will watch it and this thread can back on track and reveiw the show and not just yell at each other.