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Topic: Copperfield Laser Illusion
Message: Posted by: London (Dec 22, 2009 10:27AM)
Is this effect available? I have seen videos on youtube of people who made there own versions . What is the marketed name of the effect if it is available. Without the laser of course. Just the self sawing portion of it.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Dec 22, 2009 10:51AM)
It is not available. David Copperfield bought the sole exclusive rights to it. The people who are doing it on youtube are doing versions that they created themselves.
Message: Posted by: JoyJoy (Dec 22, 2009 10:54AM)
Do a search here and you will find out: No, it´s not available. The versions you did see are unauthorized rip-offs. David has the rights alone.
Message: Posted by: Silvio Solaris (Dec 22, 2009 11:07AM)
Here we go again...LOL

Yeah, do a search. It's been beaten to death.
Message: Posted by: Banester (Dec 22, 2009 12:35PM)
Where's the horse?!!?
Message: Posted by: Maloney (Dec 22, 2009 01:56PM)
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On 2009-12-22 13:35, Banester wrote:
Where's the horse?!!?
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I don't get it... lol

PS. Copperfield's the man.
Message: Posted by: London (Dec 22, 2009 02:32PM)
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On 2009-12-22 14:56, Maloney wrote:
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On 2009-12-22 13:35, Banester wrote:
Where's the horse?!!?
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I don't get it... lol

PS. Copperfield's the man.
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I don't think he is refering to David , he is talking about beating the dead horse that is me asking about the illusion. Since it has probably been ask about a thousand times. I did do a search by the way and did not find the answer I was looking for. However research off the Café I did find out it is a creation by Fearson and sold to David. Thank you guys that actually did answer my question.
Message: Posted by: London (Dec 22, 2009 02:39PM)
And another thought... what is wrong with so many people on this Café . Why not take a moment to help each other a little more , that is what this place is supposed to be for right? It takes just as long to answer a question as it does to make smart *** comments and promote the search engine on here that works 30% of the time. I just don't see why a topic can't come up multiple times by multiple people. If you are not going to try to help someone with a question why say anything at all.
Message: Posted by: Silvio Solaris (Dec 22, 2009 02:51PM)
Read the first two posts bro.

IT IS NOT AVAILABLE.
Message: Posted by: London (Dec 22, 2009 03:07PM)
I did read them ...Bro. I just don't see the need for all the other comments after that especially they were not intended to help anything. It is not just this topic it is in every room of this Café. I just think it is pointless and not helpful to anyone.
I now know it is NOT available I said I found out , off the Café it was sold to Copperfield. case closed...Bro
Message: Posted by: Banester (Dec 22, 2009 03:13PM)
Maloney I was referring to beating an old horse because this topic about the laser illusion comes up every couple of months and then an arguement develops with allegations how Copperfield stole the illusion.
Message: Posted by: ebinary (Dec 22, 2009 03:16PM)
Maybe its the fact that you need to wait about 2 minutes between every search ;-) I hope that changes sometime (i've already PMed management).
Message: Posted by: Banester (Dec 22, 2009 03:24PM)
People don't mind helping if you take a moment to do a little research. A 5 sec search on this page would have answered everything you would probably ever want to know about the laser illusion (except for how to do it). If after that you had questions I am sure people would be more inclined to help you, there are numerous people that offer a great deal of information here.

As far as people's comments on this post, I would think that is the very reason. People are constantly asking about the big name or well know illusions. It less than 10 sec, the search engine here developed 13 pages of forum topics here on the Café. It sort of comes across like the kids asking "are we there yet?".

So here is a brief synopsis. Fearson sold the illusion to Copperfield for an undisclosed amount with all rights going to Copperfield. They include building and performing the illusion and Greg agreed to the arrangement. As time went on friends of Greg and Greg felt it wasn't such a good deal and there were other personal issue's involved; however, Greg stood by his arrangement in good faith (very respectable). Hope that answers most of your questions, if not feel free to PM me.

Hope you do not get discouraged and post more on the Café.
Message: Posted by: Laszlo Csizmadi (Dec 22, 2009 04:25PM)
Who is Greg? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Message: Posted by: Banester (Dec 23, 2009 06:47AM)
LOL, my apologies....Steve (not Greg). Thanks Laszlo!
Message: Posted by: Edgar Alstad (Dec 23, 2009 10:58AM)
I've just got to ask.

I've read many post on the café about how hard it is to protect own ideas and avoiding rip-offs. And the answer is usually, that you can't actually protect it. So how come DC have the rights to this illusion. Is it a part of a gentlemans agreement, or does he actually have some sort of copiright to it?
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Dec 23, 2009 11:21AM)
It was a lifetime contractual agreement beetween him and mr. Fearson. Says the legends that the involved sum was up to 500k dollars.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Dec 23, 2009 02:47PM)
HOLY CRAP!! I'd sell too!

Ebinary: I also hate the wating period between searches. I normally just close out the page and retype it so I don't have to wait.
Message: Posted by: Silvio Solaris (Dec 23, 2009 06:35PM)
To pay $500K and feature it only a few times beats me.

It's an awesome Illusion. He should bring it back.

My two cents.
Message: Posted by: Jack Murray (Dec 23, 2009 06:42PM)
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On 2009-12-23 12:21, Fábio DeRose wrote:
It was a lifetime contractual agreement beetween him and mr. Fearson. Says the legends that the involved sum was up to 500k dollars.
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe the figure was nearly that much!

Jack
Message: Posted by: Laszlo Csizmadi (Dec 23, 2009 11:12PM)
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On 2009-12-23 19:42, Jack Murray wrote:
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On 2009-12-23 12:21, Fábio DeRose wrote:
It was a lifetime contractual agreement beetween him and mr. Fearson. Says the legends that the involved sum was up to 500k dollars.
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe the figure was nearly that much!

Jack
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Jack,

You are right. Not even close the half of that. I don't get it why people gossip.

I heard Steve got the 500K and an Island beside Davids Island just to keep the good friendship. They have their own tunnel between the two islands under the ocean where Steves Rolls goes back and fort. When the weather is good Steve use his Lear Jet what he got from David as a bonus over the 500K. :)

Best,

Las
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Dec 24, 2009 05:45AM)
I'd like to emphasise the "...Says the legends that..." part of my previous post.

that's what I have most often heard, but I'm pretty sure there are no more than 2 or 3 people that know exactly what was the paid value. David and Steve included.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Dec 24, 2009 12:42PM)
Not being an illusion designer or builder would you guys say it's better to sell one for a large pay out or to market them yourself. I wonder how much Mr. Steinmeyer has made off of Origami royalties, and if he would have made more to sell the illusion and all rights to Mr. Copperfield. On a side note, they showed the David Copperfield special where he did the laser illusion here in Iraq the other day on AFN (armed forces network)!!
Message: Posted by: chris young (Dec 24, 2009 03:20PM)
I think it's a shame that he does this because this sort of illusion for other performers to use would bring more people back to the shows in small theatre and not just in Las Vegas and big threatre productions. Keep magic alive until mask man mess's it up again.
Message: Posted by: Banester (Dec 31, 2009 08:29AM)
Good question Mr. Anderson. Let's just say he received 500k for arguements sake. If he sold to the open market at 10k each he would have to sell 50 to meet what he would have received from David, or more reasonable maybe around 3k so he would have to sell 167. I think part of the problem with selling more of the items at a lower price is that people begin to copy your product.
Message: Posted by: Silvio Solaris (Dec 31, 2009 06:03PM)
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On 2009-12-24 16:20, chris young wrote:
I think it's a shame that he does this because this sort of illusion for other performers to use would bring more people back to the shows in small theatre and not just in Las Vegas and big threatre productions. Keep magic alive until mask man mess's it up again.
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Unfortunately it's all over youtube exposed by kids.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Jan 1, 2010 02:21AM)
And they did a wonderful job of ruining the illusion! I know Youtube will block copywrited music tracks in posted videos, too bad there is not a way to get them to block pirated magic routines.
Message: Posted by: James FX (Jan 1, 2010 12:07PM)
W_s_anderson has a good point here; why can't pirated routines be blocked from Youtube like music is? Can magic performance rights be protected? I doubt it, otherwise DC would have already tried to block his effects from being pirated on Youtube.
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Jan 1, 2010 12:51PM)
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On 2010-01-01 13:07, James FX wrote:
W_s_anderson has a good point here; why can't pirated routines be blocked from Youtube like music is? Can magic performance rights be protected? I doubt it, otherwise DC would have already tried to block his effects from being pirated on Youtube.
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Right he can't because he does not Legally own the illusion his contract is ONLY with Fearson
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 1, 2010 06:05PM)
No one pays 500K for the rights of anything in the world of magic. You're way off base here. Even with exclusive rights .. there is not that much money to be had. Most of the well know illusions have a 1500 to 2500 fee added to the prop for the performance rights. That's it .. no on is getting rich off this. It does help keep things fair to those who are professionals and respect others work.

It's a pretty simple concept ...

Steve
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Jan 1, 2010 06:12PM)
Well said Steve.

By the way I've heard that Fearson didn't get this much at all for it. It was really not a lot.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: magictvlv1 (Jan 2, 2010 10:20AM)
At first I thought this was about the laser illusion from the 1980s where he hung the actredss who played Daisy Duke upside down in a box and Lasered her into about six pieces... I would like to see that again
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Jan 2, 2010 03:09PM)
Go to http://www.youtube.com and you'll find the video of this illusion.

Copperfield has used three times a laser to cut someone in pieces :

- Laser (himself)
- Cut in sixth (an actress)
- Goldfinger (himself with vanish at the end)

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: Silvio Solaris (Jan 2, 2010 05:56PM)
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On 2010-01-02 11:20, magictvlv1 wrote:
At first I thought this was about the laser illusion from the 1980s where he hung the actredss who played Daisy Duke upside down in a box and Lasered her into about six pieces... I would like to see that again
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It only works on a certain stage. Not practical for tours.
Message: Posted by: magictvlv1 (Jan 3, 2010 08:56AM)
In the 20s and 30s the stage wouldn't matter. Kellar and Thurston wouldn't have hesitated to tour with it... If lasers had been invented at that time.... the golden age of magic is truly over.
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Jan 3, 2010 10:17AM)
Suuuuure.