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Topic: Needle through hand
Message: Posted by: bobser (Dec 24, 2009 09:00AM)
Hi guys,
Any advice would be grateful. I know I have to use an acupuncturist type needle. But can anyone advise on the actual dangers of this with regard to worst case scenario?
Many thanks.
bobser
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Dec 24, 2009 01:23PM)
Nerve and blood-vessel damage.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Dec 24, 2009 01:35PM)
Nasty infections, etc.

It's not the first thing to do, if you want to start doing stunt work.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Dec 24, 2009 01:45PM)
Hypnosis is much safer. I'd stick with it than try that stunt any day.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Dec 24, 2009 01:48PM)
The first question is, "why do you want to do this act?"

I'd refer you here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=159654&forum=23&16
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Dec 26, 2009 08:29AM)
An accupuncture needle is way too thin and very short. A hat pin or a custom made high carbon stainless skewer should be used. You should seek a qualified metalworker or blacksmith for that.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Dec 26, 2009 09:40AM)
Can`t think of a good smithy right now !
Message: Posted by: bobser (Dec 26, 2009 01:44PM)
Thankyou for the warninge with regard to the dangers. But now has anyone got any really good advice on how to achieve this? First of all greatnippulini I have been told that an accupnuncture needle is the only one this should be tried with.
Infections should easily be taken care with, with care. But nerve damage was my main concern.
Message: Posted by: MagiciennesUnlimited (Dec 26, 2009 02:07PM)
What Dan fails to mention in his dvd, is that an acupuncture needle can bend when inserted through the hand. Nerve damage is a very real danger. This is why professional, experienced impalers use heavy gauges. You need to know EXACTLY what you're doing...and where you're going.

Learn from a pro sideshow impaler face to face, and forget the acupuncture needles. :>

Haus is not an impaler. He's a magician on a dvd.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Dec 26, 2009 03:35PM)
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On 2009-12-26 14:44, bobser wrote:
...now has anyone got any really good advice on how to achieve this?
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Yeah, learn from someone face to face. This is not something that should be "learned" from a DVD or written instructions no matter who it is doing the teaching. The guy on the DVD could be the greatest impaler in history, but face to face is the only way to learn this stunt. You will have questions along the way that cannot be answered with a DVD or by asking on a forum. Do not try this without personal instruction first. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Dec 26, 2009 03:51PM)
Any good teacher, will also have questions for you, as you learn the process. Not "you" generically. You specifically.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Dec 28, 2009 07:20AM)
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On 2009-12-26 14:44, bobser wrote:
First of all greatnippulini I have been told that an accupnuncture needle is the only one this should be tried with.
Infections should easily be taken care with, with care. But nerve damage was my main concern.[/quote]

I don't know who told you this. I say these needles are bad for many reasons. First off, I have been working with needles since 1993 so I know what I am saying. Second, accupuncture needles run in the 20 to 30 gauge range and are less than 2-1/2" long. So, if the needle doesn't bend and wobble from the excess pressure of trying to push a tapered tip deep into your hand it still won't go all the way through because the length is too short. So not only will the effect fail, but if you succeed the effect is so small only close up work will allow people to see it. Use a longer proper pin and even the cheap seats will see it. Accupunture needles have NO bearing on infection or nerve damage, I have no idea why you referenced it.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Dec 28, 2009 10:09AM)
Info is most likely coming from this dvd

http://www.papercranemagic.com/throughandthrough.htm

It was discussed on here a while back and pretty sure all the same problems and dangers were pointed out before.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Dec 28, 2009 11:01AM)
Have seen this first hand and consider the whole thing completly irresponsible to say the least.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Dec 28, 2009 11:09AM)
Agreed
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Dec 28, 2009 11:18AM)
I know one person who's doing it. His presentation is brilliant, and could not be copied. He's also highly expert at body stunts.

It's still dangerous.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Dec 28, 2009 07:23PM)
Is he doing it per the DVD instructions?
Message: Posted by: FacadeTheStiltBoy (Dec 28, 2009 07:48PM)
You mean you don't use a hammer?
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Dec 29, 2009 12:28AM)
Bobser, I thought you were a hypnotist. Why in the world would you want to incorporate this dangerous stunt in you act. I am a sword swallower, block head, fire eater, juggler and now becoming a hypnotist because my body is starting to give out. I don't know how old you are and would be better at giving advice if we all knew your age. Don't be ashamed. We have all ages here.

But seriously what is your motivation to learn this stunt?
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Dec 29, 2009 10:00AM)
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On 2009-12-28 20:23, Stephon wrote:
Is he doing it per the DVD instructions?
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I would use the term "DVD instructions" loosely. I've seen it and am not thoroughly impressed with his instructions. I have no experience with any of Dan's previous material but am not that thrilled that he went an extremely irresponsible route and released this dvd. I've read info stating that he did it for educational and informational purposes, but if that was the case wouldn't it be free? Making money off the sale of this material just doesn't seem right at least in the available to the general public way that he is doing it.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Dec 29, 2009 02:35PM)
Its a worry when you consider the type of person who would purchase this type of DVD based on the fact of belief that such material could be learn`t from it. The type of person who through ignorance could end up really hurt. Who gains ? The irresponsible supplier will be a few bob better off at another humans stupidity and probable pain.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Dec 29, 2009 04:45PM)
I don't understand why the sheer physics of an accupunture needles' vulnerabilities is so hard to get. If someone can do this stunt properly and could therefore teach another in a one-to-on face-to-face true teaching, I say go for it. In addition, when you're ready, e-mail me about making a nice carbon stainless skewer.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Dec 29, 2009 06:56PM)
I am thinking of puttin out a DVD on how to do appendectomies as an effect. Kind of like psychic surgery, only real. You know bringing back the days where medicine was a spectator sport performed in an operating theater. You think I could sell it on The Café?
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Dec 29, 2009 07:01PM)
Sure! Tie it together with psychic surgery. All the bizarrists and sleight of hand guys will buy it.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Dec 30, 2009 05:14AM)
For sale early in the New Year, will be my latest DVD,,,, How to do a Strapodicktome.

I take no responsibility for pain or miscomfort which could be caused and insist that anyone wishing to purchase this wonderful stunt should be of sound body, soul and bum.

Performance limited to no more than 3 climax per day as excitement could leed to blindness.

£1oo per copy or buy one get three free at Tesco Stores.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Dec 30, 2009 06:39AM)
Ken, I can strapadicktoyou, but my wife might complain.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Dec 30, 2009 06:51AM)
Simon Lovell pointed out to me that strap on backwards is no parts....
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Dec 30, 2009 12:04PM)
Very good, a mine of info here !!!!

Like the silent P in swimming !!
Message: Posted by: casco1 (Sep 4, 2020 03:01PM)
I have read that an effect like the one performed by derren brown can be found in anneman's material. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?