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Topic: Warm up tricks
Message: Posted by: scaress (Jan 13, 2010 11:28PM)
Does anyone perform tricks before a hypnosis show?
my friend loves to do an arm twisting effect (i don't know the name).
I've seen one popular hypnotist swallow fire.
anyone else?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 14, 2010 12:52AM)
Never saw the need.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jan 14, 2010 04:23AM)
I sometimes do a Drifters medley. That way the crowd can get involved in their own particular favourites. But near the end of the medley, just after Saturday Night at the Movies, I throw in The Four Tops version of McArthur Park (I'm told I do a great Levi Stubbs).
As they freeze there, mouths wide open, the audience have no idea that this, mild shock induction, is the commencement of the actual hypnosis show (tah - rah).
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 14, 2010 07:06AM)
I come on to fast music and blow some fire, then do some gags which culminated in eating a balloon. Then one mentalism effect and into the hypnosis.

The reason I do this is that I do not do a lecture of any sort, or other pre-induction work. And you can't walk onto a stage cold and call for volunteers. My opening is designed to get my audience to like and trust me, to start laughing, and to realise that I am in control and can do what I say I can do.

This year I am making major changes in the show. The hypnotists I grew up seeing (and guys like Kreskin that I only read about) began by doing an hour of strong mentalism. Then there was a break, then an hour of hypnotism. I like this for so many reasons. One is that I feel two hours of the one act is too much, whereas an hour of mentalism followed by an hour of hypnotism (fifty minutes for both in reality) gives a move varied and interesting show.

Also I enjoy performing the mentalism.

Sometimes (under severe time constraints at a short college gig) I might just go on and call for volunteers and begin. Once (gig cut to twenty minutes between two bands) I just called for volunteers, shouted sleep!, and worked with those who dropped their heads. But I don't enjoy these shows as much. I prefer a leisurely approach.

One hypnotist over here, Adrian Knight, used to begin with a strong illusion set for thirty minutes, then call for volunteers. And Barry Sinclair always begins with half an hour or more of pure stand-up, occasionally throwing in an invisible deck or other trick. And both guys do very entertaining shows.

Another factor to consider is how long you are expected to perform for. In Ireland venues expect a full two hours. But if I was booked to do an hour long show I would approach it far differently; straing into the action. Sometimes I am lucky enough to have a stand-up open for me. Then I skip all the tricks and move on with the show. He has already done the warm-up and got the audience in the right mood. Tony.
Message: Posted by: magicusb (Jan 14, 2010 07:28AM)
Do not know if this fits. I have seen several do the spiral illusion. The one that usually spins with a drill. I have even seen on abuut 4 feet around.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 14, 2010 09:21AM)
I have tried an hour of mentalism followed by an hour of hypnosis. It works well.

Depending upon the type of audience. However I don't see any need for warm up tricks. Most of my shows have been pure hypno. And I really don't see what the problem is.

You get up you do a quick pre-talk throw in a few funny lines and get started.

Depending upon the show two hours of hypnosis is fine if you have enough good volunteers. All my bigger venues were two hours of hypnosis and it could easily have ran for much longer in most cases.
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jan 14, 2010 12:23PM)
I saw one hypnotist do a book test to see if "our minds are in harmony."

Seemed like a time waster and a throw-away to me.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Jan 14, 2010 12:47PM)
Shoot, I'm getting into this biz to get away from doing tricks. I'm tired of dealing with props and my body is tired of dealing with the stunts.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 14, 2010 02:00PM)
I have always just figured since people were showing up to see a hypnotist, that may as well be what they see.
Message: Posted by: scaress (Jan 14, 2010 06:38PM)
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On 2010-01-14 01:52, Dannydoyle wrote:
Never saw the need.
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I think that some of you are missing the point. of course there is no NEED to see something cool. humans only NEED food shelter and oxygen. there is no NEED for hypnotists or ANY entertainment at all.

thank you to all of you who contributed. if you don't have anything to contribute, there is no NEED for you to post.
Message: Posted by: tiriri (Jan 14, 2010 06:43PM)
I agree with Tony in the sense that sometimes I use a couple of mentalism effects as a warm up. It works very well because it catches everybody’s attention, gains the trust of the audience and builds up my hypnotist image. It is also very entertaining for the audience and gives variety to the show.

Giovanni.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jan 14, 2010 07:52PM)
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On 2010-01-14 19:38, scaress wrote:
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On 2010-01-14 01:52, Dannydoyle wrote:
Never saw the need.
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I think that some of you are missing the point. of course there is no NEED to see something cool. humans only NEED food shelter and oxygen. there is no NEED for hypnotists or ANY entertainment at all.
thank you to all of you who contributed. if you don't have anything to contribute, there is no NEED for you to post.
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Really? Is that what you think? Not a very well-mannered reply wasn't it?
What are you 12 years old? The highly experienced Danny Doyle just took the trouble to answer you. Mind your manners and say thankyou. And, in future, if you don't have any sensible questions there is no NEED for you to ask.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 14, 2010 08:27PM)
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On 2010-01-14 19:38, scaress wrote:
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On 2010-01-14 01:52, Dannydoyle wrote:
Never saw the need.
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I think that some of you are missing the point. of course there is no NEED to see something cool. humans only NEED food shelter and oxygen. there is no NEED for hypnotists or ANY entertainment at all.

thank you to all of you who contributed. if you don't have anything to contribute, there is no NEED for you to post.
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There IS a NEED for hypnosis that's why they hired you. To entertain them...

There is no need for anything else the hypnosis is enough. There is also nothing wrong with adding additional stuff if it works.

But there is no NEED.
Message: Posted by: scaress (Jan 14, 2010 08:44PM)
Wow, turning nasty in here.

I Truely never intended to cause offence. I'd like to keep this friendly.

that being said, if there are any other highly experience professionals whom I am not worthy of learning from, there is no need for you to waste your valuable time to reply a with superfluous post that doesn't answer the original and highly unsensible question.


thank you to everyone else who did answer the question and I'm sorry that you had to witness all this childishness.

if anyone does use a trick or two in their show, I'd like to hear about it.
if you don't, there is no need to reply "no I don't".

thanks.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 14, 2010 09:12PM)
Scaress take it with a pinch of salt bobser is just playin with you. Or hes ran out of his tablets...again.

If you like doing tricks do them.
Message: Posted by: magicgar (Jan 14, 2010 09:37PM)
I was at a Reveen show many years ago. He was doing a mentalism effect at the beginning and the woman next to me said. " I hate the opening of his shows there so boaring I wish he would get on to the hypnosis stuff."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 14, 2010 10:42PM)
He opened with the giant memory and sold it as sort of self hypnosis. It was an amazing.
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Jan 14, 2010 10:56PM)
Reveen was brilliant !
BUT many people felt that the Hypnosis was what they came for....

AG
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 15, 2010 12:11AM)
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On 2010-01-14 21:44, scaress wrote:
Wow, turning nasty in here.

I Truely never intended to cause offence. I'd like to keep this friendly.
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YOU were the one who turned the tone nasty. Go back and look.

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On 2010-01-14 23:56, A.G. wrote:
Reveen was brilliant !
BUT many people felt that the Hypnosis was what they came for....

AG
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This is true, but in context back in the day hypnotists in general did a much longer show than today also.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 15, 2010 06:06AM)
Raveen was one of the guys I mentioned who did a good show before the show. I loved it but that does not mean everyone else loved it. I have seen Barry Sinclair do wonderful stand-up sets, but some people are fidgeting waiting for the main show to begin. You can't win them all.

As for those of you who do nothing but hypnosis, I am delighted to see you participating in this discussion. Unlike the original poster I am very interested in who does, or does not, do non-hypnosis stuff during a hypnosis show.

I know a man who does a very solid show over here, and he begins with a ten to fifteen minute lecture on what hypnosis is and is not before calling for volunteers. He is a seriously funny guy and I think he would be better off spending that ten to fifteen minutes entertaining his audience, not bother with the lecture, then call for volunteers. I feel that people don't need to be told much in order for them to come up and participate. But I am open to correction on that. Any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 15, 2010 07:21AM)
The "lecture" you are talking about is actually and intrigual part of the hypnosis process. While it may seem to just be a lecture, it actually much much more refered to in hypnosis as a pre-talk. It can often be one of the most key factors in determining how the rest of the show will will unfold, getting the best volunteers, and how well of a show will occur.

Often if this can be done in a humorous, non-threatening way it can be most effective and impactive.

This is quite elementary information in hypnosis which I would think if you were properly trained should have been one of the first things learned and understood.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 15, 2010 10:18AM)
I hate lecture style shows. Just get on with the hypnosis. (In my experience) Most people want entertained be mystified and ache with laughter.

If they wanted a lecture they would enrol in a class.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 15, 2010 10:51AM)
It depends on where you are and what you are looking for. I personally do not think that a "lecture" componant is bad for a show. It is about theater. SO many hypnotists want to "get to the funny" that they leave out some of what can be very dramatic and entertaining moments. It is the equivilant of trying to watch the last 20 minutes of the Shawshank Redemption and think it will be as good a movie.

They can still "ache with laughter" but if that is all you have, it amounts to little more than sketch comedy.

Also it depends on where you work. If they have come to see a hypnotist at a university or whatever then great you can skip a lot of stuff. BUT I work in an environment where they have not really paid to see me, I am part of what they paid to see. I happen to be the guy in front of them. If you think you can get the first person out of a chair without SOME sort of lecture you are mistaken. It is all about where you are and what is right for your circumstance.

I do not like doing "tricks" before the show because they are precicely that, "TRICKS". Then you want to move to something you do not want them to think of as a trick. Seems an odd transition for me to make. I have done it, and there are lines that will work, I simply don't like doing it.

I have never seen what blowing fire does for a hypnosis show.

Like I said it is all personal opinion, and if it is working for you then it is working for you and nobody can tell you differently.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 15, 2010 11:23AM)
Danny, blowing fire does nothing for a hypnosis show. But college bookers like the fact that I walk out doing that. It is nothing more than a dramatic entrance. Two years ago I had a fight, and I entered the ring blowing fire. It didn't help my boxing but the audience lapped it up.

I agree that there will be contexts in which a lecture is important - venues where they have not come specifically for a hypnotist. Resorts and cruise ships (which I do not do yet), and weddings, birthdays, etc, which I currently do.

I'm with Mindpunisher in that I assume they have come to see a hypnotist rather than a hypnotist being put in front of them (the typical scenario for me at the moment) so I don't to any pre-induction talk. I have two or three gags (thirty seconds) which give all the information I want to impart, then I call for the volunteers. I have a good lecture available for the rare occasions I feel it is appropriate.

However I always like a mentalist preamble. This is as much for my entertainment as the audiences. I also realise that once the hypnosis show is going well I am just a director, and the volunteers are getting the laughs. I like to establish with the audience that I am capable of getting the laughs on my own.

A trick is not a natural lead in to hypnosis, but well-presented mentalism can be. It can reinforce the idea that we will be playing with the mind all night.

On a side note I have seen some hypnotists give dreadful pre-induction talks. I remember one guy in Spain sitting on a stool and lecturing people on the provisions of the 1953 hypnotism act - despite the fact it was irrelevant in that jurisdiction! The show worked fine but it was as boring as hell. Down the road in another bar a different hypnotist gave a comprehensive lecture on the history of hypnotism, before failing to get a single volunteer!

In some venues they just want you to get stuck into the act. Tony.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 15, 2010 11:46AM)
I said entertained, mystified, Aching with laughter. I never said anything about straight to the funnies. I said straight to the hypnosis. All of the above is part of a hypnosis show.

Some of my shows have ran longer than two hours (just hypnosis) and could ran a lot longer because the audience didn't want it to stop.

There is nothing wrong with tricks, mentalism, or fire eating if it works for you. There are no fixed rules only preferences.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 15, 2010 12:02PM)
I think we can all agree that there are performers who get by on the medium alone. That is the nature of how compelling the medium actually is. It can carry a bad performer.

I will say that to me the guy who does a bad lecture, is just a bad performer. If he is not engaging and interesting, why would anyone want to help him with the show?

It is sort of equivilant to magicians who say "people hate card tricks". Well no, the hate poorly done card tricks, or any tricks for that matter. It usually says a lot more about the person saying it than the rest of us.

The lecture must be part of the show (if you use one that is) and as such it must be entertaining and engaging. If it is not, all you are doing is showing the audience what a boring louse you are and it should be edited. This is not to say anyone who does not do one is boring, it is to say that if you are going to do one it had better not be boring.

High schools, colleges, those are playing tennis with the net down. The shows roll so easily I could send my wife to do one. Heck I could mail it in LOL. I will whole heartedly agree that in that circumstance NO lecture is "necessary" to get them moving to the stage. No doubt about it. I still think it can be an interesting componant, but must be done quickly.

At the resorts we work at if you walk up and simply think it will be that easy you will end up in a world of disapointment. People pay upwards of $600 per person per night to be there and you are not why they came. So there is some ground work that must be done, and while it is being done you had better be entertaining. They have been trained that if they are not having fun for 4 consecutive minutes to go do something else. The environment eats performers alive, and gives hypnotists fits who are not used to it. Done right, they are the best audiences in the world.

In the end everyone has to find what is best for the environment they are put in front of. Some may need to do tricks, or want to do them to feel more comfortable. Does not make it right or wrong, just makes it the way everyone works personally.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 15, 2010 01:53PM)
So now anyone who gets by on hypnosis is a bad performer? And anyone who doesn't do "lectures" do so because they are bad at them?

Delusions of Granduer I think comes to mind.


Are you sure you work at a resort? It sound like a Nazi concentration camp the way you go on. Ive seen a clip of one of those shows it didn't look that intimidating to me. I think it would be a challenge right enough. To keep awake myself with the kind of shows you would be restricted to.

The fact that they pay good money suggests to me that they are there to be entertained. You get those people put on a plate for you week after week. Only a fool could mess it up. So Im surprised youve lasted so long.

They don't come to see you. Again you are so fortunate you don't have to sell tickets. Your show doesn't have to prove itself your audience are delivered there for you. They are a captive audience Danny. You have it a lot easier than performers that have to market themselves and provide the goods on a regular basis.

I think you have the easiest gig of all. You locked yourself into a position and had it sewn up.

You wouldn't last five mins with some of audiences I have known.

I don't do lectures at shows because its not necessary and makes for a dull show. You try lecture to some of the audiences here Ild love to see it.

However when I do seminars and trainings some lectures I deliver go on for days.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 15, 2010 03:12PM)
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On 2010-01-15 14:53, mindpunisher wrote:
So now anyone who gets by on hypnosis is a bad performer? And anyone who doesn't do "lectures" do so because they are bad at them?

Delusions of Granduer I think comes to mind.

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In deferance to your comprehension skills I have stopped reading here, because this is not at all what I said. If you simply want to argue, when I am AGREEING with you then let me know so I can go back to not even bothering to answer you at all.

I simply said that in SOME SITUATIONS it is necessary to do a lecture, IN SOME IT IS NOT. I then went on to say that whatever works for that particular performer is what they should do. Where you invented the other nonsense from I have NO idea but to butcher Hamlet, there are far more ways to do a good hypnosis show than are drempt of in your philisophy.

I am saying however that the people who do not do an engaging lecture are not very good performers, and get by on the medium alone. That is not to say if you do not do a lecture you get by only on the medium. It is to say that if you do not have the ability to do an engaging lecture, odds are pretty good that you are not that engaging a performer. Now if you do not do a lecture and go on to do a fantastic and engaging show, then odds are if you WANTED to do a lecture as a componant of the show, it would be an engaging and entertaining one.

Man it seems to me as if you have proven yet again that YOU are the one with the blinders. Sorry I didn't make it this easy for you the first time.

Delusions of adequacy is what I think you may suffer from.

Posted: Jan 15, 2010 4:14pm
Oh and you have 'seen a clip' of one of those shows. Well then you are definatly more qualified to speak about the environment as opposed to the guy who does it 7 nights a week LOL.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 16, 2010 09:00PM)
I have a limited amount of experience in front of resort audiences, and I am with Danny. They have not paid specifically to see a hypnotist so they tend to sit back and wait for you to entertain them. An audience that have paid to see a hypnotist tend to take a more active part in ensuring that they get a great show.

But nothing beats a college audience. You can leave out every step and still have a great show. We need to open more colleges.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 16, 2010 09:22PM)
The thing is all environments have their pluses and minuses. And while I don't doubt a resort type of audience can be difficult it is a "knack" that I am sure Danny has smoothed out by now. Otherwise he wouldn't have lasted so long.

I have performed at posh charity gigs where audiences didn't want to see me at all and they turned up late to avoid seeing me. I had to hold back till they arrived and they got me whether they wanted to or not. I made sure I was getting paid after a three hour car journey. I literally have to coerse volunteers in these situations.

I have performed at shows where I spent 15 mins or more going round tables interrupting conversations, asking the people at each table to put down their drinks and concentrate for a few minutes because they ignored me even when I walked on with a microphone.

I have performed at posh officers balls where the hooray henry's threw food, shoes, at the acts. In fact I ended up in a heap on stage physically fighting them.

I've been there. But once you've done a few it gets easier - well it got easier for me I stopped doing them. Although as a favour I did a show couple of months ago and it was tough to get them engaged. They weren't there to see me young drunk and very loud. I had to spend 15-20 mins getting them to shut up nevermind a lecture.

While I acknowledge Danny's audience has its special needs, and that probably a lecuture is needed in his case I also believe that with a little experience and time you can work out a way to do it in any environment.

A situation where you get an audience when you need them delivered to you and well paid on an ongoing basis is a priveledged situation. I am not gonna shed a tear for him.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 16, 2010 11:35PM)
College audiences are great. Also in America they have "post proms" for high schools. Those are playing tennis with the net down also.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 18, 2010 06:22AM)
The easiest audience I have ever had was a few gigs for the army. The regular soldiers. You don't even need to hypnotize them they already hypnotized. No net at all.

Quite scary actually.

The oggicers are the worst. They have to maintain an aura of superiority and are also part of the class system which still exists here.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jan 18, 2010 02:15PM)
Yes they are. hence: oggie oggie oggie, aye aye aye.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 18, 2010 02:43PM)
Almost: Die Die Die!
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Feb 3, 2010 05:38AM)
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On 2010-01-14 00:28, scaress wrote:
Does anyone perform tricks before a hypnosis show?
my friend loves to do an arm twisting effect (i don't know the name).
I've seen one popular hypnotist swallow fire.
anyone else?
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Not that it really matters much at this point. I believe the Arm twisting effect you are referring too is Called Dis-jointed - By Joe Russell - Made popular by db.