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Topic: Dick Van Dyke's Multiplying Ball Routine
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jan 18, 2010 02:23PM)
I've always been interested in collecting video of big name actors who perform magic. I just picked up a Dick Van Dyke Show DVD from the local video store with an episode called "A Nice Friendly Game of Cards." Early in the episode, Dick did a multiplying billiard ball routine for Richie from a magic set. Later, Dick, Laura, Jerry, Millie, and some new neighbors were playing poker and Dick was the big winner. The plot thickens when it turns out that the group has been playing with Richie's marked deck from the magic kit. Of course, everything gets straightened out by the end of the show.

Other TV shows which featured magic prominently include "Doyle Against the House," a Dick Powell Theater episode when Milton Berle performs some nice card flourishes, and "The Great Anatole" (also from the Dick Powell Theater) in which Curt Jurgens does some nice magic and a terrific "Film to Life" illusion with Dana Wynter as his assistant. And of course there's the Channing Pollock episode of "Daniel Boone" that featured much of the master's card and dove act.

I remember also a Superman episode where Superman levitates Lois Lane. As I recall, the lighting of the levitation part was very poor and the shadow of the levitated Lois revealed the "modus operandus."

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jan 18, 2010 04:05PM)
Aside from the obvious TV shows like "Blacke's Magic" and "The Magician", I have seen magic performed on "Leave it to Beaver", "The Munsters", "Matlock", and probably more that I'm just not remembering at the moment.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Jan 18, 2010 04:12PM)
Ther're as well Tony Curtis and Steve Martin.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Jan 18, 2010 04:32PM)
There was a Beverly Hillbillies that featured a magician as well.

Also a Gilligan's Island when a magician's trunk washes up on the island.

Lou
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 18, 2010 04:59PM)
[b]The best of all... Bagdad[/b] Café... great premise and great magic.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jan 18, 2010 06:07PM)
How good was the dick van dyke ball routine?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Jan 18, 2010 07:52PM)
This is fun- any links, fellows?
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Jan 18, 2010 10:37PM)
The Alfred Hitchcock Hour (1964) "The Magic Shop."
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Jan 18, 2010 11:50PM)
Well Sonny, it's way past my bed time. I was searching for any clips of Jackie Gleason or Johnny Carson performing magic but no luck. However, these two Dick Cavett shows featuring Slydini might be of interest. Great thread!

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/conjuring-slydini/
Message: Posted by: Stellan (Jan 19, 2010 04:25AM)
It is almost painful to see Slydini perform some of the tricks when you have studied and worked on them yourself. One thing is the silks. Can anybody tell me how he gets the silks apart with no effort at all?
Can anybody point me to where I can get that information. I believe that all the tutors on the existing DVD:s on the Silks would want that information too.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jan 19, 2010 08:36AM)
Dick starts with a very nice handkerchief vanish that leaves both hands completely clean. Then he picks up a ball and:
1) Does a trap vanish
2) Reproduces it from his elbow
3) Vanishes it with a standard pass and then does a change-over to show both hands empty
4) "Places" it in his mouth whence it vanishes
5) "Reproduces" it from his waist band.
6) Shows the reproduced ball and asks Richie "How many balls?" "One."
7) Multiplies then one to two balls and clicks them together.
8) Multiplies the two to three.
9) "Takes" one of the three and throws it away. Reproduces it from his pants pocket and places it back in his hand.
10) Tells Richie "Now here's the hard part because these balls are slippery" and multiplies to four balls.
The balls look to be a decent size, maybe 1 1/2 inch.
Richie asks, "Will you teach me how to do that trick, Daddy?"
Answers: "Well, not until you're old enough, Rich."
I also remember one of Dick's appearances on the Sullivan show where he did a very nice pantomime act of a man trying to walk in an extremely strong wind.

Now if only I can find the Danny Thomas "Make Room for Daddy" episode where he goes to a formal banquet in what he thinks is his tux, but is actually a magician's tux that he picked up at the dry cleaner's by mistake. In the middle of a speech he gives at the banquet, he notices a piece of rope hanging out of his sleeve...

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jan 19, 2010 01:27PM)
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On 2010-01-19 05:25, Stellan wrote:
It is almost painful to see Slydini perform some of the tricks when you have studied and worked on them yourself. One thing is the silks. Can anybody tell me how he gets the silks apart with no effort at all?
Can anybody point me to where I can get that information. I believe that all the tutors on the existing DVD:s on the Silks would want that information too.
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Closest you are going to get to that is the DVD Slydini: Slydini Lecteure Performed by Jim Cellini Session Zurich 2005. Jim a long time student of Slydini covers the silk routine on this DVD. The producer of the DVD is ZauberLaden Zurich
http://www.swisshouseofmagic.com/
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jan 19, 2010 01:43PM)
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On 2010-01-18 17:59, Pete Biro wrote:
THE BEST OF ALL..... BAGDAD Café..... great premise and great magic.
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Bagdad Café used my "slice of hand" illusion.
Message: Posted by: manal (Jan 19, 2010 06:23PM)
Nearly all the magic I recall from those old TV sitcom shows was disapointing as it was usually an actor with no magic performance knowlege/ability/talent obviously yanking a feather flower bouquet from their sleeve followed by the vanish of an assistant from a vanishing booth.Pure carp.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jan 19, 2010 07:31PM)
I would agree that nearly all the magic on TV sitcom shows is disappointing. Sturgeon's Law (Ninety percent of everything is crud) dictates that we should expect to be disappointed and unimpressed by 90% of actors endeavoring to represent themselves as magicians. That's why it's rewarding and impressive when someone like Milton Berle or Curt Jurgens or Dick Van Dyke does a creditable job with a magic effect. I think these actors have a degree of respect for the Art in Magic. When Milton Berle was in the Dick Powell Theater episode "Doyle Against the House" he could have gotten by without demonstrating any manipulative skill with a deck of cards. But he and the producers saw the opportunity to add some credibility to the performance by including a brief sequence when Berle was shown full-shot doing some card flourishes, including the boomerang card effect. Milton is even mentioned in _Scarne on Card Tricks_ as being one of the Hollywood stars who genuinely liked and performed magic.

And then, thank God, there are the few TV/movie producers who go that extra mile and bring real magicians into a show, like the "Daniel Boone" episode that featured Channing Pollock doing much of his classic act, and the Al Pacino movie "Bobby Deerfield" when Norm Nielsen had a speaking part and also did part of his classic act.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jan 19, 2010 08:30PM)
Orson Welles performed the Broom Suspension illusion with Lucille Ball in an "I Love Lucy" episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNc3ASCoeM
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 19, 2010 11:11PM)
Dean Martin did some excellent card manipulations on one of his shows.
Message: Posted by: magicjack1977 (Jan 20, 2010 09:46AM)
You could always tell the true conjurers from the fakes based on what effect they performed on those old shows. If they performed a stage illusion or produced anything from their sleeve (i.e. a bouquet) then they are most likely NOT practicers of the art and are more than likely just someone who learned the secret of the self working illusion or effect for the particular episode, as in Orson Welles broom suspension on Lucy.

Dick Van Dyke and Milton Berle, on the other hand, performed magic that required skill and hours of practice and not something that could be learned in less than a day. They are the true practicers of the art and I love seeing them perform magic on those old shows.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Jan 20, 2010 10:19AM)
Welles did some corny stunts in his day. Fun entertainment nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6a8HPYbfI

I'd like to be shot at by Angie Dickenson when I grow up.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jan 20, 2010 04:22PM)
Was Dick Van Dyke a juggler too?

Jim
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Mar 6, 2010 10:37AM)
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On 2010-01-20 11:19, jazzy snazzy wrote:
Welles did some corny stunts in his day. Fun entertainment nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6a8HPYbfI

I'd like to be shot at by Angie Dickenson when I grow up.
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Speaking of Angie Dickinson, she did some nice color changes in one scene in "Rio Bravo", in which Dean Martin also appeared.

Another neat old film is a Robert Benchley short that shows up on TCM from time to time between the movies. It's called "Dark Magic", and in the first scene you get to see a young John Scarne playing "Mr Calypso", a clerk at the toy counter in a department store. He does a short cups and balls routine. Oh, and he doesn't call it "The Cups and Balls", he calls it "The One Ball, Two Ball, Three Ball Trick"
Scarne's steals and loads are breathtaking, and Benchley is a hoot.
Message: Posted by: Magic1man (Mar 6, 2010 06:14PM)
The Beverly Hillbillies episode was hilarious with John Carradine as the magician. Total exposure of some pretty good tricks! I remember making a vanishing bowl of water after seeing it exposed on that show. I was probably around 10 or 11 years old when I first watched it and I remember being so excited to learn the secrets to such great tricks, it was really an inspiration for me.

One thing I believe to be true is that great actors make great magicians. I think there is a lesson there we could learn from.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Mar 6, 2010 10:44PM)
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On 2010-01-18 15:23, Anatole wrote:
I've always been interested in collecting video of big name actors who perform magic. I just picked up a Dick Van Dyke Show DVD from the local video store with an episode called "A Nice Friendly Game of Cards." Early in the episode, Dick did a multiplying billiard ball routine for Richie from a magic set.
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Here's the Van Dyke episode referred to :

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2594505753/
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Mar 7, 2010 07:54AM)
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On 2010-03-06 23:44, David Todd wrote:
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On 2010-01-18 15:23, Anatole wrote:
I've always been interested in collecting video of big name actors who perform magic. I just picked up a Dick Van Dyke Show DVD from the local video store with an episode called "A Nice Friendly Game of Cards." Early in the episode, Dick did a multiplying billiard ball routine for Richie from a magic set.
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Here's the Van Dyke episode referred to:

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2594505753/
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The sore loser was Ed Platt, "The Chief of Control" and Maxwell Smart's boss...


Here's another neat short. It wasn't from a movie per se. It was a promotional film Hoyle playing cards released in 1965 to tie into "The Cincinnati Kid"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KQiuvX1xKI
Message: Posted by: msmaster (Mar 11, 2010 11:45AM)
One of the writers of the Mr. Ed show was Lou Derman who wrote and performed on a at least one magic episode.
Message: Posted by: kerpa (Mar 11, 2010 01:20PM)
Orson Wells was a magician, guys. An outstanding one. He had a magic show during WWII for the USO, and he was the subject of a cover story in Genii not too long ago.
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Mar 15, 2010 02:12AM)
One of my favorite tv shows featuring real magicians was the old Mr. Ed show. On one episode there were 3 great magicians, Lou Derman, as msmaster reports, Dick Zimmerman & (I believe) it was the old master himself- Harry Blackstone Sr.

I seem to remember Harry did a flower production,maybe a Bonita. Was a special moment for me to see such a legend.

But the one I can clearly remeber, and impressed me the most, was Dick Zimmerman performing his famous dancing ring on rope trick. Always wanted to buy that trick but never could afford it at that young age. Was the most inspirational trick I`d ever seen untill then. Seems like that trick would have been revived by now.

Have fun,
John
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 15, 2010 03:27PM)
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On 2010-01-19 05:25, Stellan wrote:
It is almost painful to see Slydini perform some of the tricks when you have studied and worked on them yourself. One thing is the silks. Can anybody tell me how he gets the silks apart with no effort at all?
Can anybody point me to where I can get that information. I believe that all the tutors on the existing DVD:s on the Silks would want that information too.
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Very painful! It is so difficult to adapt his effects to your own self because many of the body gestures, which hid the secret moves, were such a personal reflection of Slydini himself, that it can really look contrived when someone else like you or me, tries to pull them off.

That to me, is the biggest challenge in making Slydini's magic your own. Not that it can not be done, but you are looking at a lifetime of hard work.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 15, 2010 03:33PM)
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On 2010-03-07 08:54, DStachowiak wrote:
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On 2010-03-06 23:44, David Todd wrote:
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On 2010-01-18 15:23, Anatole wrote:
I've always been interested in collecting video of big name actors who perform magic. I just picked up a Dick Van Dyke Show DVD from the local video store with an episode called "A Nice Friendly Game of Cards." Early in the episode, Dick did a multiplying billiard ball routine for Richie from a magic set.
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Here's the Van Dyke episode referred to:

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2594505753/
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The sore loser was Ed Platt, "The Chief of Control" and Maxwell Smart's boss...


Here's another neat short. It wasn't from a movie per se. It was a promotional film Hoyle playing cards released in 1965 to tie into "The Cincinnati Kid"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KQiuvX1xKI
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Smoothest second deal I ever saw!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 15, 2010 03:42PM)
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On 2010-03-06 23:44, David Todd wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-01-18 15:23, Anatole wrote:
I've always been interested in collecting video of big name actors who perform magic. I just picked up a Dick Van Dyke Show DVD from the local video store with an episode called "A Nice Friendly Game of Cards." Early in the episode, Dick did a multiplying billiard ball routine for Richie from a magic set.
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Here's the Van Dyke episode referred to :

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2594505753/
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I had no idea Dick was that skilled. I would bet he was not specially coached for that episode, but had been doing it for a long time.
Message: Posted by: cardone (Mar 15, 2010 07:51PM)
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On 2010-01-18 17:59, Pete Biro wrote:
[b]The best of all... Bagdad[/b] Café... great premise and great magic.
[/quote]

That is a great movie .... the crazy thing is a lot of people have never seen that one !
The German Actress is fantastic and so is Mr Jack Palance
Message: Posted by: R Don (Mar 15, 2010 09:26PM)
Leslie Nielsen as a "doctor" on Airplane did the eggs from mouth with a seated passenger.
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Mar 16, 2010 12:19AM)
Is Leslie Nielsen an amateur magician also?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 16, 2010 09:51AM)
Not to my knowledge, but he sure is one heck of a funny dude! Cracks me up just to look at him. "Dracula, dead and loving it" is the funniest movie I ever saw.
Message: Posted by: augiemagic (Apr 3, 2010 09:12PM)
I would have to say this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwU2MdQ3c_0

is most definitely my favorite example of "Magic in a non-magic show."
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Oct 29, 2011 08:07PM)
Although it's been over a year since this thread was originally posted, I thought I'd post another example of Dick Van Dyke doing magic. In this clip from "Bye Bye Birdie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0GyZwQFOW4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL830A39EF3ADD75F7, Dick produces a bouquet of feather flowers (1:12) and at about 1:24 he does some sleights with a ball (e.g. the trap vanish).

I wonder, too, if the superimposed drawing of a "happy face" in this film clip is what started the smiley face craze.

(I happened upon this clip by accident while looking for a youtube clip of the song "Put on a Happy Face." Serendipity or synchronicity?)

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Iris Caraway (Nov 19, 2011 05:35PM)
[quote]
On 2010-04-03 22:12, augiemagic wrote:
I would have to say this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwU2MdQ3c_0

is most definitely my favorite example of "Magic in a non-magic show."
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"Magic!" This is the greatest thing.

Neil Patrick Harris started out as a magician before "Doogie Howser." He does a couple of sleights in the show -- producing tickets to a show or something, and making a rubber ball dis- and re-appear.
Message: Posted by: jay kirwan (Dec 1, 2011 05:00PM)
Just watched and cringed at the "Great Zano" on Bewitched.

Would that make it "non-magic" on a magical themed show?!
Message: Posted by: Andy Gemini (Dec 1, 2011 05:58PM)
Dick Van Dyke also is shown doing a few tricks in Diagnosis Murder, from what I can remember. I believe he has a great interest in magic, he is also pictured with Mark Wilson in Marks Course In Magic book
Message: Posted by: isaacfawlkes (Dec 1, 2011 09:34PM)
Does anyone know what the title of the "Daniel Boone" episode with Channing in it. Is it available anywhere?
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Apr 18, 2012 09:48PM)
To answer--rather belatedly--the question about Channing Pollock on the Fess Parker "Daniel Boone" show: The title of the episode was "Seminole Territory," Season 2, Episode 17. Details are at the International Movie Database:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0554304/

Lance Burton--himself a Kentuckian--talked about his reactions to this episode in an interview in the May 2006 issues of GENII. Lance was about seven years old when he saw the episode and the card productions fooled him because he had seen a (somewhat bogus) explanation of card fan productions in a book for the lay public (likely _Magic for All_ by Bob Dunn_.)

See also this discussion on the Café:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=435484&forum=13
where I attached a scan of the Bob Dunn page I referred to above.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: MagicMattMan (Apr 19, 2012 01:47AM)
For Magic in TV Shows:

Do we want to add that episode of House where he had a magician patient? It's scary that that's his only case of Lupus in the entire series- hope that's not an omen...

[Also, to keep with the Dick Van Dyke theme, an episode of Diagnosis Murder, he too had a magician patient, I believe the Masked Magician, and he did a trick on that]

{And just as I hit submit reply, I remember the X-Files episode that focused on Magicians and starred Ricky Jay and Jonathan Levitt...}
Message: Posted by: Xpilot (Apr 20, 2012 09:04PM)
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On 2010-01-19 20:31, Anatole wrote:
Sturgeon's Law (Ninety percent of everything is crud) dictates that we should expect to be disappointed and unimpressed by 90% of actors endeavoring to represent themselves as magicians.[/quote]

Sturgeon's Law dictates that we should expect to be disappointed and unimpressed by 90% of self-titled magicians endeavoring to represent themselves as magicians. That number seems accurate to me.
Message: Posted by: donsmagic (Jun 1, 2012 06:49PM)
Do I remember magic posters being in the back ground of some Diagnosis Murder doctor office scenes?