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Topic: Shmoke by Alan Rorrison
Message: Posted by: chriswebbmagic (Apr 8, 2010 04:32PM)
Just came across this on facebook and sounds interesting.....

idea being smoke that is 100% safe can be produced from your mouth at any time. am intrigued as a tool like this might have many applications. any thoughts?

chance to make more effects a bit more effective maybe....
Message: Posted by: Nojrraf (Apr 8, 2010 04:50PM)
I saw Alan do this at Blackpool this year and I cant believe he is letting this gem out.

Shmoke is an incredible utility to help enhance almost any close up effect. Well done Alan, are you sure you want to let this go?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2010 09:33AM)
Cheers for the interest folks. Demo will be up by tongiht and judging by this demand there may be a pre order!
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Apr 10, 2010 03:51PM)
Sounds good!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Apr 10, 2010 07:19PM)
If it's safe, I'm interested.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 10, 2010 08:17PM)
Sorry for the delay on the demo... Ive had a few family things that obviously come before magic... the demo will be up before 7pm gmt on sunday
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Apr 12, 2010 08:02AM)
Alan just showed me this. Wow, this thing is cool. He's really explored everything in the routine to make everything look and feel as natural as possible. The spectator see's nothing suspicious and yet, smoke comes billowing out of your mouth. I've been performing Warning with matches for a while for different routines but, more smoke, safer and nothing suspicious.... Alan's got me hooked. This is an ingenious gimmick and one I'll use for so many routines. With only 100 units, ill be getting 2. Chain Shmoking anyone?

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Dizzidiz (Apr 12, 2010 06:43PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mj8QrLFic

demo is up!.

That's a lot of smoke haha
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2010 06:49PM)
http://www.alanrorrison.com/shmoke.html

for all the details folks
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 12, 2010 07:14PM)
It is really getting tiresome to see magicians taking $5 Dealxtreme items and selling them for $60. I hope I am wrong.
James
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Apr 12, 2010 07:30PM)
Alan's routine uses a very clever gimmick. He's been able to conceal it in such a way that you will never need to conceal anything. The gimmick he's created means that at any time in your routine, without ever having to add anything or take anything from your pocket, you will be able to load the smoke into your mouth. Alan has made it so no one will ever see the load or suspect a thing. This gimmick is a thing of beauty. Those who purchase will understand what a clever idea this really is.

Jamie
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2010 08:06PM)
JAMIE is 100% spot on.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Apr 12, 2010 09:15PM)
I like the looks of this. Tempted for sure. So you could do this anywhere without your audience being wise. Pratical for strolling? I've already got an idea to enhance one of my effects with this. Just want it to be a worker is all. In the middle of my routine just produce smoke?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2010 10:06PM)
I am a strolling magician and it is what its designed for. your do the load right infront of them and they will never know and yes you could work it into the middle of your routine
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Apr 12, 2010 10:39PM)
Cool that's what I like to hear. Sounds brillant.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 13, 2010 12:29AM)
Place a coin in your hand ( retention vanish) ..mysteriously blow smoke through your first and it's gone.

Too corny?

Chris
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 13, 2010 04:08AM)
Alan contacted me and I am absolutely wrong!!! I am very happy to be wrong here.
I'll be picking this up.
Sounds great.
James
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 13, 2010 04:16AM)
My order is in!
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Apr 13, 2010 04:45AM)
The gimmick is genius and hides everything so well. I'm not sure how you would load the smoke into your mouth without arousing suspicion with the wristband method but alan is by far more superior then that. You'll love it!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 13, 2010 06:30AM)
Believe me this is far superior to the wristband.
Alan had to source some very special items for this kit.
Can't wait!
James
Message: Posted by: Nechto (Apr 13, 2010 08:42AM)
I am going to buy them all! Really!

Alan you are my crazy little Scotsman who never ceases to amaze me! This is such a great device there should be people shouting from the rooftops about it! As soon as I receive my 100 units I will post a review of all the audience reactions I have had from it just to make the other 99 would be customers super jealous!

Killer effect, without killing you!

Thanks Alan,

Ben Williams
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Apr 13, 2010 09:29AM)
Alan was kind enough to show me this. I was laughing with excitement when he did it to me. Even after he show this to me I still bought it. Clever man Alan is. don't think your just going to walk up to people and just blow smoke. That would be just stupid and rude. The clever gimmick is build into the routine, there is a reason for every action he does. Just to let you know when I order mine he only had about 45 left so..

Cheers
Jeremy
Message: Posted by: Liam Montier (Apr 13, 2010 09:49AM)
I bullied Alan into showing me this as well, it really is superb. I've always liked the idea of producing smoke, but all the tubes and chemicals mean that it's not very practical.

Alan has sorted that, and at a fraction of the price of other smoke devices (at least here in the UK). This is good practical stuff!
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Apr 13, 2010 02:14PM)
Sounds great & love the video, used in the right way I can see great potential for this !!

I will be getting this one !

Best

Mark
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2010 04:30PM)
Cheers for the over whelming support.. Only 21 left folks so if you want one I would be quick. and again, thank you all
Message: Posted by: Zachary (Apr 13, 2010 06:57PM)
My order for 21 just went in so you can all stop clamoring for them now
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2010 07:03PM)
Hahaha it was you then.... Of course I'm joking but we are down to 18..

Alan
Message: Posted by: maps (Apr 13, 2010 08:24PM)
I placed my order,however I realize that it needs refills.Is that easily obtainable? Those who has it and think,it's better to be answered via pm,I'll appreciate that.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: jprace (Apr 13, 2010 08:28PM)
My order is in!
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Apr 13, 2010 08:47PM)
Alan did say he will have refills available. He supplies us for approximately 1000 performances. Correct me if Im wrong.

Cheers
Jeremy
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2010 08:54PM)
That is correct and I give you all the details on refills on the DVD which I will also stock on my site. On average each refile gives you aproc 150 to 200 performances. depending on how much smoke you want per use. Storage conditions also effect this but I go over this on the dvd so you get the best out of it also


alan
Message: Posted by: maps (Apr 14, 2010 02:18AM)
I probabbly use half of the 1000 times of usage just to see smoke coming outta my mouth for fun!
I am a non smoker so I hope it's safe for use
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 14, 2010 09:59AM)
I will admit it can be fun. Only ten left folks
Message: Posted by: AlluTallu (Apr 14, 2010 10:08AM)
My order is in :) I really hope that this is as practical as the ad claims!

-Aleksi Hietanen
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Apr 14, 2010 10:30AM)
I just put my order in as well. I honestly hope it's something that I will want to use regularly in my performances.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 14, 2010 12:05PM)
Down to the last 5 folks...
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (Apr 14, 2010 12:49PM)
I just ordered one
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Apr 14, 2010 02:00PM)
I had to bite and just ordered also.
Looking forward to adding this to my routine...
Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 14, 2010 02:22PM)
And then there wad three
Message: Posted by: kh-magus (Apr 14, 2010 02:47PM)
I just ordered!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 14, 2010 05:26PM)
And down to two
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Apr 14, 2010 05:38PM)
Alan. Just noticed you are releasing this. I would gladly pay double or triple what you are asking to get my hands on one. When you showed me this at Blackpool I was blown away

Can I have one of the two left and I'll give you the cash when I get back from San Francisco.

Cheers mate

Craig
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 14, 2010 05:42PM)
That's us down to one ( ps you sure can mr petty I'll email
you the details when I get home)
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Apr 14, 2010 06:31PM)
You the MAN

Thanks my wee little friend!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 15, 2010 03:10AM)
Sold out folks thanx for
the support
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 4, 2010 02:41AM)
Just an update. Darn volcanos!

Hello folks. This is just a quick update on the orders. The uk was recently affected by the volcano in iceland erupting. This made the U.K. a no fly zone which in turn ment I have had a small delay on recieving one part for the gimmicks. I have been assured by the stockist that the delivery will be with me with in the next 4 days and Ill have ever single order out the day after I recieved the need part. I have send the first 10 orders out from a stock pile I already had here which have also been delayed due to the same reason.

An unfortunate event which is out of my controle but ill have it all sorted with in the week for you guys. As always thank you for the support, My upmost apologise and ill keep you posted day by day on this very page.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 4, 2010 09:49AM)
Thanks Alan! No worries man, things happen, but thanks for jumping on here and letting us know what's up.
Message: Posted by: AlluTallu (May 4, 2010 09:52AM)
Alan, thanks for the update :)
Message: Posted by: shak (May 5, 2010 12:37PM)
Any chance and more will be sold?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 6, 2010 04:43PM)
Just updating you folks as I said you would. I've been advised that the items will be with me by sat. Extreamly sorry for the delay
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (May 7, 2010 02:28AM)
Dang. I just came across this! Any chance you got an extra around, a canceled order perhaps? I'd love to get one. PM me...? Thanks!

- David
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 8, 2010 03:37AM)
Ok folks another update. I have received another package from the same company which was ordered after the order I placed for the needed part to the shmoke gimmick. This to me shows that in this whole volcano fiasco this order has been lost. Ive followed down the correct route to have them resend replacements out.

You have no idea how much this is stressing me out as I hate keeping you guys waiting and you have my fullest apologies. Hopfully it should not be too much longer and again I am so so sorry.

ill keep you all posted
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 8, 2010 11:06AM)
Alan, sometimes things are out of your control. Take your time. No one here is going to lose sleep over a delay that has nothing to do with you. Keep smiling!

Chris
Message: Posted by: insight (May 8, 2010 06:52PM)
After performing this a thousand times, is there a place where refills can be obtained to continue for performances beyond the 1000th time?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 8, 2010 07:20PM)
I'll be selling them mate
Message: Posted by: insight (May 8, 2010 07:38PM)
Thanks for the quick response, Alan!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (May 8, 2010 09:09PM)
Hmmm....Wonder how I missed this.... Dang it...LOL!!

-J-
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 10, 2010 12:35PM)
Al right folks I finally got some useful info today. The deliver was held in Switzerland due to the volcano in Iceland. There working on getting the backlog cleared and it will be here soon. swabs the sweat from his brow lol.

On a good not they company have threw in a few extra which will let me put it 2 or three more if any one is interested
Message: Posted by: baggins321 (May 10, 2010 02:16PM)
Why only 100?
Message: Posted by: Michael Clifton (May 10, 2010 03:27PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-10 13:35, Alan Rorrison wrote:
On a good not they company have threw in a few extra which will let me put it 2 or three more if any one is interested
[/quote]
Just pm'ed you!!
Message: Posted by: Michael Clifton (May 10, 2010 04:32PM)
Thanks Alan, you should have funds
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (May 12, 2010 05:03AM)
Thanks for the updates Alan !!

Cheers

Mark
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 13, 2010 02:29AM)
Another update folks. Very stresfull as a few of you know.

I contacted the company and they have decided to send me out a new order so this should be sorted soon.


AGAIN I'm astoundingly sorry for the delay
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (May 13, 2010 07:44PM)
No worries man. I'm eager to see the goods but It build the anticipation. It' all good.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 14, 2010 08:10AM)
Ok ok.. Some REALLY BAD NEWS......


The missing order Is still missing.


BUT THE GOOD NEWS IN the replacement order is in and I am adding the last part to the gimmicks now. ALL orders WILL BE SHIPPED ON MONDAY!

I can breath finally...
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (May 14, 2010 11:38AM)
Looks very nice, Alan - can I join the list of folks who would gladly buy this if you decide to produce another batch?
Thanks, Doug :)
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (May 14, 2010 04:39PM)
Thanks Alan!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 15, 2010 01:08AM)
Cheers lads and ladesses, you cant say I didn't keep you all up to date lol
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 15, 2010 01:20PM)
Thanks Alan! I really appreciate the updates. I don't mind the wait at all, the customer service is what is REALLY important. In contrast, I ordered an item from a different independent magician two weeks ago and haven't heard ANYTHING back yet. Let's just say I'm ****ed.

But I can't wait for this :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 15, 2010 03:40PM)
I ordered this right away based on Alan's track record and the demo. I haven't minded waiting at all for it. I think it's going to be a wonderful effect with so many performing possibilities.

Chris
Message: Posted by: JamieD (May 15, 2010 03:48PM)
Defiantly worth the wait Alan, Ill be spitting out smoke more so then that volcano. Revenge, mwha!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 23, 2010 05:45PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-14 09:10, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ok ok.. Some REALLY BAD NEWS......


The missing order Is still missing.


BUT THE GOOD NEWS IN the replacement order is in and I am adding the last part to the gimmicks now. ALL orders WILL BE SHIPPED ON MONDAY!

I can breath finally...
[/quote]

So has anyone actually received this yet?

Im in the UK and if these were sent out on the Monday then surely it'd be with me by now... were these actually sent on the Monday (I highly doubt it) or were there more delays?

Hopefully it'll be worth the wait, looking forward to it arriving.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 23, 2010 06:26PM)
They all shipped Monday folks but the good old volcano has made Glasgow airport shut intermittently. They will be with you shortly folks and a again thank you for the support

Alan
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 23, 2010 08:11PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-23 19:26, Alan Rorrison wrote:
They all shipped Monday folks but the good old volcano has made Glasgow airport shut intermittently. They will be with you shortly folks and a again thank you for the support

Alan
[/quote]

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 24, 2010 12:08AM)
All good things to those that wait!

Alan, thanks!

Chris
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 24, 2010 12:54PM)
Alrighty folks. this laptop is going back in the shop to get the screen fixed again tomorrow. I will still be able to get emails via the iphone so if you want me. mail me at arorrison@gmail.com or you can feel free to call me on 07527559567 .


enjoy shmoke folks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 26, 2010 10:10AM)
Just checking in on my phone. U guysshould have this by now. Anyone?
Message: Posted by: Zachary (May 26, 2010 11:00AM)
Not yet, but I'm in the states. Anyone that does have it however, is surely too busy enjoying the spoils of this device to write a review. Looking forward to getting mine and reviewing despite their exclusivity.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (May 26, 2010 11:07AM)
I wish I would be able to order this,, this looks amazing.
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 26, 2010 12:07PM)
Not with me just yet but hopefully any day now.

Will post as soon as it arrives to let you and others know that they're turning up, and would be cool if others could do the same, once one turns up we know they'll start flooding in (well within the UK).

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (May 26, 2010 01:17PM)
I'm also in the US & still waiting on mine to arrive :(....
Message: Posted by: brainman (May 26, 2010 03:16PM)
Waiting (austria)...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 26, 2010 03:36PM)
Right I'll pop down to the post office and see what's goin on
Message: Posted by: Michael Clifton (May 26, 2010 04:34PM)
Not received anything yet, and I'm UK
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 28, 2010 01:34AM)
Ok it's reallllly evident to me that no one has this yet when they should. I don't know what's happened here but I need to do somthing so here is the plan . I managed to get stock for a second batch which I would have relesed by supprised , however, since no one has recieved one yet due to what ever reason I will use them to resend all the original buyers a replacmrnt. I've not had time to get more DVDs produced but I will make the video available as a download just now and send the new gimmicks out today and the on Monday when the DVD stockist open I'll get those done and out.

Hope this is a fair deal for you all as I just don't want to jeep you all waiting
Message: Posted by: brainman (May 28, 2010 05:46AM)
Sounds fair Thanxxx
Message: Posted by: Zachary (May 28, 2010 05:50AM)
That's more than fair Alan! I just hope you're still making a little money for your efforts to please.
Message: Posted by: Nechto (May 28, 2010 06:18AM)
But Daddy I want and Umpa Lumpa and I want it NOW!!!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (May 28, 2010 06:25AM)
Hahaha
Message: Posted by: kh-magus (May 28, 2010 06:52AM)
Hello Alan,

I sent a personal message to you many times.
but I did't get your answer yet.

I ordered at Apr 14.
My name is Keisuke Hanada.
Please check your record.
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 28, 2010 07:56AM)
Cheers, sounds cool.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 28, 2010 01:36PM)
Ok Ross and I worked our asses off n got a gimmick replacments
out today ! Blistered again
Message: Posted by: Zachary (May 28, 2010 06:57PM)
Even if some of the gimmicks get lost, the majority will make it where they're going. Let us know here if you got two gimmicks... It'll be interesting to see how many make it through the labyrinth of shipping
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (May 28, 2010 07:52PM)
Hoping I receive mine soon too. Been messing with my mind on how this works.
Message: Posted by: maps (May 29, 2010 12:51AM)
Haven't received mine yet.I am from Singapore
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 29, 2010 06:33AM)
Im happy to say that the Shmoke Alan sent out yesterday has arrived... I have no idea how to use it so can't give any feedback but it looks brill and am looking forward to having a puff.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 30, 2010 09:06AM)
I tried and tried to rip the dvd but alas it was tooooo large for my server so I done you guys a fresh video just for online and to get you shmoking in the mean time lol. its rendering out and will be up by morning. Always working to please you guys lol. I'm like cheep hooker.

Now to some better news! When I ordered the second batch of materials to send out replacements( second batch basicly) I had 40 left over( some folks received the first batch) so I have 40 of the gimmicks spar if anyone one missed out and would like one at the usual price of £35.

email me at arorrison@gmail.com saying your interested and judging by the response ill let them go. Other wise they will sit in my wee stock pile lol..


Jamie daws and Adam dadswell have already contacted me with pure delight with the gimmicks.... Its fun when you get these kinds of things cos you can see the person look like a kid at christmas lol

Cheers folks
Message: Posted by: JamieD (May 30, 2010 01:44PM)
I stand by my previous words. Not only does this look awesome but it's incredibly clever and gets brilliant reactions. Soon as that smoke billows out of your mouth, a mixture of confusion and madness ensues. Its just brilliant and id snap up one before they're all gone! One of the best utility devices I've brought in a long time. Absolute awesomeness!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (May 30, 2010 02:24PM)
What about an use on stage ?
I would be interested in this case...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 30, 2010 02:54PM)
It can be incorporated into many routines mate
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (May 30, 2010 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-29 07:33, jaybest wrote:
Im happy to say that the Shmoke Alan sent out yesterday has arrived... I have no idea how to use it so can't give any feedback but it looks brill and am looking forward to having a puff.

Cheers.
[/quote]

Jaybest, what do you mean when you say no idea how to use it? I can see your smile. :)
Waiting still...across the oceans.... Postman, don't test my patience..Grrrrr
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 30, 2010 05:15PM)
The last few are goin quick
Message: Posted by: jaybest (May 30, 2010 06:21PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-30 16:11, bhayankaran wrote:
Jaybest, what do you mean when you say no idea how to use it? I can see your smile. :)
Waiting still...across the oceans.... Postman, don't test my patience..Grrrrr
[/quote]

Well it never had any instructions and so I didn't really take a proper looksy... that didn't last long and within a few moments I was puffing away, dead simple and easy to use.

I think I may have gone a bit mad with the smoking... ah well 5 refills so plenty more in reserve.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 30, 2010 08:30PM)
10 left folks
Message: Posted by: king2262 (May 31, 2010 05:22AM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-28 02:34, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ok it's reallllly evident to me that no one has this yet when they should. I don't know what's happened here but I need to do somthing so here is the plan . I managed to get stock for a second batch which I would have relesed by supprised , however, since no one has recieved one yet due to what ever reason I will use them to resend all the original buyers a replacmrnt. I've not had time to get more DVDs produced but I will make the video available as a download just now and send the new gimmicks out today and the on Monday when the DVD stockist open I'll get those done and out.

Hope this is a fair deal for you all as I just don't want to jeep you all waiting

So what ever happened to the original batch you sent out did they turn up?
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 31, 2010 06:25AM)
No. I have the royal mail looking into
it for me
Message: Posted by: dadswell (May 31, 2010 02:30PM)
Just backing up what Jamie said, this is awesome!

If there are any left grab one asap, the look on peoples faces when you produce smoke is just unbelievable. Get one now!

x
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (May 31, 2010 07:25PM)
Still waiting! I'm in the states though. All these great reviews are killing me! I want it! :)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 1, 2010 04:42PM)
Still a few left if you want em folks.. they all must go lol

email me at arrorrison@hotmail.com if your interested or pm me here
Message: Posted by: Marc Spelmann (Jun 1, 2010 06:48PM)
Great utility item Alan.. I've got a massive bruise on my head from slapping it and saying 'Why didn't I think of that..'

I'm loving Shmoke and have some devious plans for it.. Well done Mr Rorrison.....

MS
Message: Posted by: LiquidSn (Jun 1, 2010 09:41PM)
Just got mine today, and I have to say, I am pleasantly surprised how amazing this thing is. Very casual about getting the smoke, and the match routine is going straight into the magic I do for people in bars.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 2, 2010 04:49PM)
Can we get a formal review from someone who has received and performed with this amazing effect.
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 2, 2010 05:08PM)
I got mine today as well and I'm breathing smoke already! A great utility device.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 2, 2010 06:15PM)
Still a few left folks. get em while you can
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jun 2, 2010 07:08PM)
Hmm havent received mine yet. Maybe tomorrow. Im on the east coast of the US.
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (Jun 2, 2010 09:15PM)
Still waiting on mine :(....im in US
Message: Posted by: Zachary (Jun 2, 2010 09:35PM)
Keep us stateside sleightists posted Nico, you'll be one of the first to get it here. I'm in the Midwest. It's funny, magicians seem to do better at tracking packages than UPS, FedEx, etc. ;)
Message: Posted by: brainman (Jun 3, 2010 04:44PM)
Also waiting...
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Jun 3, 2010 05:54PM)
Received mine today .. in Michigan ... VERY COOL !
Works great!!!
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Jun 3, 2010 06:35PM)
Also received mine today. Alan was kind enough to send us a video download in anticipation of receiving our Shmoke gimmicks. At first, I was going to hold off on watching it until I received the item in the mail, but I wound up taking a peek anyway. When I saw what Alan had come up with in the video, I was very pleasantly surprised with how clever an idea it was.

Opened up the package just a few minutes ago, and the quality on the gimmick is top notch. Of course, I haven't had time to play with it yet, just wanted to drop by to say that it has indeed arrived, and that first impressions are really solid. Alan has been a trooper throughout the whole ordeal, and his communication has been excellent.

This is my first experience with any of Alan's material, and it's definitely making me keep my eye open for his other releases.

I'll post back once I've had some time to put Shmoke through its paces.

If Alan still has any left and there are some of you on the fence, I'd recommend getting one while you still can.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (Jun 3, 2010 09:34PM)
I never received a video download....was I suppose to?
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Jun 3, 2010 09:47PM)
It was sent to the email address that you used in Paypal to purchase Shmoke. Check that address and your spam box. Or, I'm sure if you PM Alan, he'll make sure you've got it.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 3, 2010 09:52PM)
I watched the download Alan sent. VERY clever! Can't imagine how he came up with it.

Chris
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 3, 2010 10:59PM)
I too just watched the vid, all I can say is wow. I never would have thought of that. Its simple but also clever and complex at the same time. I was a little worried( before watching vid) about the durability of the gimmick, but I am not worried in the least anymore. And better yet, it is something most of us, at least I do, carry all the time anyways. I will definitely be ordering more from alan. He is top notch and his magic is as well
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Jun 4, 2010 12:17AM)
Come on and get here already, to Canada that is.
I want to start Smoking;)
I can't wait to add this to my magic.
I was not going to watch the vid yet via the download but my mind wants to know how this is done?
I might just have to watch this and wait for the gimmick.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 4, 2010 10:02AM)
Cheers guys . I have one guy filling a claim in pay pal saying I've not kept him
uprodate etc. Kinda pees me of as I think
I kept you guys up to date better than most
Message: Posted by: Zachary (Jun 4, 2010 10:43AM)
The guy filing the claim is a fool. Service was delayed, but not without proper explanation and appropriate measures taken. Good form lad. Oh, and I got a package today...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 4, 2010 10:44AM)
Good goo dmate. enjoy.... ive worked my behind off getting this all sorted lol. Just feel like a kick in the nuts haha
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 4, 2010 10:57AM)
Alan has been there the whole time with updates and action!

Chris
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Jun 4, 2010 11:02AM)
I still haven't received mine yet !

But Alan has kept me more than informed of the situation.Here on the Cafť & by email !

Don't worry Alan there's always 1................!

Best Wishes

Mark Southworth
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 4, 2010 11:36AM)
Yeah, the part that is getting to me.. He is the only one who states hes not had emails from me or not been able to get a hold of me when I have a whole forum stating other wise. It seems a little fishy to me. like he just wants a free trick.

at this point hes resulted to cusing and childish name calling after he misinterpreted a word we use all the time in scotland.. what can you do. some people just don't have ethics! sad for those of us that do
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Jun 4, 2010 11:58AM)
[quote]
On 2010-06-04 12:36, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Yeah, the part that is getting to me.. He is the only one who states hes not had emails from me or not been able to get a hold of me when I have a whole forum stating other wise. It seems a little fishy to me. like he just wants a free trick.

at this point hes resulted to cusing and childish name calling after he misinterpreted a word we use all the time in scotland.. what can you do. some people just don't have ethics! sad for those of us that do
[/quote]

Quit talking about me like that Alan!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 4, 2010 12:10PM)
Haha very funny chad. I would never talk about you that way shnookoms. lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 4, 2010 12:11PM)
I think the only reasons its annoying me is because ive been here almost every day updating. making sure everyone can get me etc. Just cant please some people
Message: Posted by: 350zTT (Jun 4, 2010 03:26PM)
I just watched the download and all I have to say is brilliant! Nice work alan....now if mine would just huury up and get here already....I am ready to give this a go. Nice work.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 4, 2010 04:02PM)
Yeah, the video is great, I hope mine is in the mail today. I'm all the way out here in California. looks good though! Thanks for keeping us all up to date.
Message: Posted by: FADE (Jun 4, 2010 07:45PM)
Hey GODSQUAD,

Keep your head up. I too live in California and recieved mine 2 days ago. Alan is a busy guy but none the less does a good job of updating everybody. I'vfallen in love with Shmoke and now I'm addicted!!! As for the "guy" whos made a claim against Alan? Don't worry Alan I got your back - I know kung fu!

Cheers,

David
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Jun 5, 2010 12:00AM)
This is VERY fun and entertaining to use!!!
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jun 5, 2010 10:05AM)
I got this a few days ago and its just so fun to do. Super clean and spectators are so confused when the smoke comes out. I just have to say though, we all need to applaud Alan for his customer service. I don't know what this paypal claim is about but it doesn't sound reasonable. Alan has been updating us every time there was an update needed. He did everything in his control to let us know what was going on and to get our purchase to us. Im really happy with this release, it will be going with me wherever I go.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 5, 2010 07:13PM)
Dang still nothing, it's worse than Christmas! :) ....
hopefully Monday!
Message: Posted by: FADE (Jun 7, 2010 12:15AM)
Shmoke is brilliant and fun to perform! People whom witnessed the totally unexplicable feat are left speechless and confused. The presentations for this effect are only linited by one's imagination. I've already created a small routine that left my specs shaking and confused - a true reputation maker! I personally thank Alan for such a brilliant release that I'll carry with me wherever I go!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 7, 2010 09:44AM)
One or two left folks. if you want one email me at arorrison@gmail.com for details
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 7, 2010 01:42PM)
I've been having a lot of fun with this!

However, I have noticed that my gimmick heats quickly. I then read that the gimmick can and will be ruined if you continue to puff without any liquid in the gimmick.

And, for the purposes of this magic trick, we do not use any liquid in the gimmick.

So, what would happen if we added water instead of the liquid that is normally used with the gimmick?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 7, 2010 02:10PM)
It will ruin the gimmick mate
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 7, 2010 02:37PM)
So will not using any liquid at all...
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 7, 2010 05:40PM)
Anybody still waiting on thus to arrive? I'm in California and my mailbox is bone dry!!! ;-)
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jun 7, 2010 06:06PM)
Alan, PM'ed you. Did you receive it?
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Jun 7, 2010 08:23PM)
I never got my free download? what happened?
I have waited weeks and weeks and still nothing...

Wait, whats that? oh this isn't for Penguin Magic downloads?

My bad... Never mind
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Jun 7, 2010 10:08PM)
I love it, now I need the download video. (Sent to my Pay Pal email but my wife deleted it. Please send me the video so I can start shmoking.
I'm at Darryl's and he wants one too Alan, please hold it for him will email you.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 8, 2010 02:27AM)
Jeff we DO use liquid in the gimmick. where did you get the idea that we don't?
Message: Posted by: brainman (Jun 8, 2010 04:29AM)
Waiaiaitinggg....
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jun 8, 2010 06:18AM)
Saw the video last nite. Excellent!!!
Now all I need is the gimmick to arrive.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 8, 2010 07:18PM)
Hey Alan, did you send these puppies out in stages? From what I can gather, I was sent one which was lost in the mail with the entire first batch, then I was sent a replacement, which people have received but I haven't yet. Any idea as to what's going on? Tracking number perhaps? I'm just so stinking eager to Shhhhmoke!
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Jun 9, 2010 12:26AM)
I got mine a few days ago. I live in MD, USA.

This is soooooo awesome.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 9, 2010 10:12PM)
I too asked for tracking number but didn't get a response???
I havent been excited for something like this in a while lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 10, 2010 03:33PM)
Sorry eli there is not tracking they way I sent the second batch. some people are just experiencing delays in shipping. Im getting mails every day of people saying that it has finaly arrived. hold tight mate, it should be there soon. If not you know ill bend over backwards to please ya all lol. Now I need to go sort and issue with a wms project brb folks
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 10, 2010 04:01PM)
Don't worry,, I'm already confident you sent it and that it will be here soon. Im just super duper excited about this one.
ELi
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 10, 2010 04:08PM)
Post some reactions to this friends. Eager to learn how its going.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 10, 2010 07:19PM)
Yeah I'm uber-excited as well, especially after watching the video. Nothing in the mail today, here's to tomorrow!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 10, 2010 08:44PM)
I think we may have a top 10 for 2010 effect right here,, easily
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Jun 11, 2010 10:26AM)
Are any of these left?
Message: Posted by: Zachary (Jun 11, 2010 06:47PM)
I had just a couple of minutes in my ridiculous schedule to say a few words about this... In one word, practical. In two, truly brilliant! Something about how the gimmick is disguised renders it completely invisible and inconspicuous when the spec plays it back in their head. At the lecture I attended recently, I acquired the smoke from the gimmick right in front of a fellow magician, allowed a couple of moments for time misdirection, and as he finished what he was saying, just let a little leak from my nose. Then I opened my mouth to respond and a sizable cloud billowed forth. I took on a posture of shock and looked at him as if I was about to spontaneously combust. He said, 'What was that?!' Not like 'how did you do that?', but more to the tune of, 'are you ok?'. When he realized that he'd been had, he candidly explained that when his logical side took over, the closest explanation that he came to was that perhaps I had inhaled some dust from the costumes in the shop. If a magician has trouble wrapping his head around the method... Poor spectators... Needless to say, this was merely a test run of the gimmick, and it served me as more of a prank than a utility in this case. This is not the intended use for it, but I just had to try it.. Retention vanishes, color changes, many other sleights that would carry moderate impact on their own, become far more magical. The possibilities for this are truly endless. One tip, is to use this in the context of the ashes on the palm effect. Make sure you do it while standing to justify the moves needed for acquiring the smoke. I did this to frightening success. Right after I had rubbed the ashes into the back of my hand, I blew through my closed fist towards the spectators, and trust me, that visual was enough. After I revealed the ashes had traveled to their hand... Well... I had to scrape them off the floor. A must buy when Alan decides to come around with another batch. I'm off to toy with this some more. Cheers, and great work Alan!
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 11, 2010 08:13PM)
.... Nothing yet. Oh mister postman why are you so cruel.
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 11, 2010 08:30PM)
My only concern is that there is no liquid put in the gimmick. According to the manufactures of the gimmick, using "it" with no liquid will make the gimmick break the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 12, 2010 09:05AM)
Jeff. Iv asked you this before. What do you mean theres no liquid put in the gimmick. that's what the refils are mate. they are liquid! please pm me
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 15, 2010 08:54PM)
Still nothin,,, growl( at mailman)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 15, 2010 08:59PM)
Sorry mate lol. once its outta my hands I cant control it.. ill send loads of good karma its way though n see if that helps lol
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jun 15, 2010 10:08PM)
Awesome :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 16, 2010 08:40AM)
Mine arrived here in the States.

1) How could Alan come up with this?

2) Why is this not priced 5 times as much?

Alan, thanks for releasing this wonderful tool!

Chris
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jun 16, 2010 02:33PM)
Have any of you 5000 miles away recieved this???
Alan, Have to influenced my postman to delay this???????:-)
Waiting for this to arrive is one of the worst thing happening to me....
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 17, 2010 12:10AM)
Yeah, I still don't have mine yet. How long do we wait before replacements are sent out? Is tier a game plan? What say you, my good friend, Alan? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 17, 2010 12:40AM)
God Squad You should have had yours WAY before now. Pm me your adress and ill will get it sorted. I aim to please lol
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jun 17, 2010 03:51AM)
"Mine arrived and it is fantastic!!

Alan's download video has tricks and tips that really make this the easiest and best smoke from nowhere.

Easy to draw smoke and it is so much!
Just billows out like crazy! One nice thing is it smells like caramel candy.

When you make a coin vanish and then blow the smoke, people let out an audible "OHHHHHH" That's always nice

I wish all magic products were this good.
James"
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 17, 2010 02:26PM)
Hey Alan, I tried to pm you but your box is full. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 17, 2010 05:39PM)
My box is empty mate!
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 17, 2010 07:26PM)
I tried to send it again, but it said it was still full. It must be a glitch with the Cafť. I sent an email instead. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jun 17, 2010 10:18PM)
I also tried sending Alan a PM but it said it was full! I sent him an email instead and he responded within the hour! Thanks again Alan!!
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jun 18, 2010 02:21AM)
Ah... I see the thread got edited. Many thanks!
:)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 18, 2010 02:33AM)
Why ooh why do you need to delete things twice form your inbox? However that is it sorted lol.. ill go check the mail not folks and I'm happy you guys are liking the utility
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jun 18, 2010 03:38AM)
I asked that my post be edited.
Thanks to Cafť moderators, a thankless job the the y all do tirelessly
James

[quote]
On 2010-06-18 03:21, EricDraven wrote:
Ah... I see the thread got edited. Many thanks!
:)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 18, 2010 04:22PM)
Just happy you liked it mate lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 19, 2010 02:33AM)
Hey folks. My site is down due to a server issue. Im assured itll be back up soon. Just wanted to let you guys know I cant access alan@alanrorrison.com untill they fix the problem on there end but you can get me at arorrison@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 19, 2010 02:37AM)
Ok . they have rebooted the server and all is working again.. Bed time for me now... that was a hard night shift
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Jun 19, 2010 02:53AM)
Hey Alan.

Tried calling you mate and couldn't get through.

How ya doing???

Give me a call

Craig
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 19, 2010 03:15AM)
Just did brotha
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 22, 2010 11:31AM)
Hey Alan did you get my PM or email?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 22, 2010 12:22PM)
I sure did got and I'm getting you fixed up now mate. just waiting on a few more things comming in to make you a replacment buddy
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jun 22, 2010 08:17PM)
Awesome man, I appreciate it! Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 23, 2010 08:10AM)
Still waiting
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jun 30, 2010 09:54PM)
Alan,
Two PMs and two emails... Zero replies.
Are you receiving them?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 1, 2010 03:51PM)
Im not mate... email me at alan@alanrorrison.com
Message: Posted by: Roki (Jul 1, 2010 04:24PM)
Worst thread I ever read !!
I just read 7 pages ...... despearately want this ...... and don't know if there are or not going to be anymore .........will there be a happy ending ?

Have emailed you .
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 1, 2010 04:45PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-01 17:24, Roki wrote:

Worst thread I ever read !!

[/quote]

The better threads get deleted.

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 1, 2010 05:46PM)
Lol
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 1, 2010 05:49PM)
Email sent. I have been sending them to your gmail account and PMing you here.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 1, 2010 05:52PM)
Got it mate
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 1, 2010 08:20PM)
Been shipped...Woohoo!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 1, 2010 09:29PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-01 17:45, Review King wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-07-01 17:24, Roki wrote:

Worst thread I ever read !!

[/quote]

The better threads get deleted.

:rotf:
[/quote]

What I meant was the controversial threads that ruffle feathers. Alan's creation is through the roof fantastic!

Chris
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jul 2, 2010 06:40AM)
I am still waiting for this
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jul 2, 2010 06:47AM)
Me toooo... :-(
Message: Posted by: shak (Jul 2, 2010 10:21AM)
I hope mine was mailed.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 2, 2010 11:21AM)
Papa smurf was part of the original batch and he just recieved his today. As I said folks the mail is being all over the place just now where I am.. they will arrive but the mail is just being funny
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 5, 2010 12:59PM)
I still havent received mine yet,, its been a while now :(
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 5, 2010 06:59PM)
Yep, still waiting too.... Here's hoping!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 6, 2010 05:33AM)
Could any one not recived theres yet drop me a pm with ur adress...cheers
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jul 6, 2010 10:27AM)
Sent PM with address
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 6, 2010 10:51AM)
Me also
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jul 6, 2010 12:57PM)
Sent pm
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 6, 2010 02:10PM)
Sent pm
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 6, 2010 07:24PM)
PM Sent!!!!!
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Jul 6, 2010 10:34PM)
My unit went dead. PM'd Alan ... no response.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 7, 2010 07:27AM)
He must just be really busy
I'm sure he is doing everything he can to get us our magic
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 7, 2010 07:59AM)
Try his email. He got back to me when I used that.
I have never gotten a response to PM's. Maybe he does not know how to use it.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 8, 2010 09:46AM)
I'm getting all the messages folks. I'm just a little busy actuly sorting the issues out to reply to every one indivitualy..
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 8, 2010 05:31PM)
I think he is getting a headache. You can tell from his avatar.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 9, 2010 04:13AM)
Lol alrighty. I think I got all of ya. Ill get right on it guys, as always I'm here to help lol
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 9, 2010 05:33AM)
... joining the waiting line ;-)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 12, 2010 03:52AM)
Ok new supplies ordered and they will be out asap... got this has been one big fiasko aint it lol
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 12, 2010 11:39AM)
Waiting with baited breath! =)
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Jul 12, 2010 02:24PM)
Hi Alan,
I wrote you at both your email addresses, PM'd you here, still no response from you. I have a unit that does not work at all .. used only a few times.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 14, 2010 01:45PM)
I also have not received any response to my emails. it says you didn't even read my pm I sent you???
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 14, 2010 06:38PM)
I am hoping it arrives soon. Getting a tad antsy.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jul 15, 2010 03:00AM)
Hi to all
I've placed my order more than a month ago, after Alan wrote me, that he has some units in stock. After two weeks of waiting, I wrote Alan an e-mail. He answered me, that he had just sent it to me (to Switzerland). That's almost three weeks ago now. When I order something in the USA, it usually takes 5 to 7 days to send it to Switzerland.
The thing is, that I feel cheated in some way. I've placed an order, I've paid it immediately and I've got no product for it. It was not a preorder in any way.
I wrote Alan an e-mail, a few days ago, PM'd him; but no answers at all.

As I can read here, some of you are having the same problems.

It is nice, to share a magical idea with the community and to bring this product to the market for us. BUT: as soon, as you're getting paid for it, you've got a contract going on.
If you get the money and don't deliver the product, you break this contract. It's so simple.
I'm hoping for Alan, that he can turn the boat and satisfy me and all the other customers or I will not hesitate, to use every possible way, to get my money back!

Hoping, this is going to end positive for everybody!
Cheers
Patrick
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 15, 2010 03:11AM)
Im on it mate don't you worry. just waiting on more parts and replacement parts from singapore. ill bend over backwards for you guys
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 16, 2010 04:03PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-15 04:00, doktorp wrote:
Hi to all
I've placed my order more than a month ago, after Alan wrote me, that he has some units in stock. After two weeks of waiting, I wrote Alan an e-mail. He answered me, that he had just sent it to me (to Switzerland). That's almost three weeks ago now. When I order something in the USA, it usually takes 5 to 7 days to send it to Switzerland.
The thing is, that I feel cheated in some way. I've placed an order, I've paid it immediately and I've got no product for it. It was not a preorder in any way.
I wrote Alan an e-mail, a few days ago, PM'd him; but no answers at all.

As I can read here, some of you are having the same problems.

It is nice, to share a magical idea with the community and to bring this product to the market for us. BUT: as soon, as you're getting paid for it, you've got a contract going on.
If you get the money and don't deliver the product, you break this contract. It's so simple.
I'm hoping for Alan, that he can turn the boat and satisfy me and all the other customers or I will not hesitate, to use every possible way, to get my money back!

Hoping, this is going to end positive for everybody!
Cheers
Patrick
[/quote]
Hi Patrick,

it is exactly the same to me, I am waiting here for more than a month now. No response to emails, no information update on the order status, nothing. I just wrote an email to Alan to notify him that I am waiting for another 14 days and after that I will consider taking legal action.

Never had anything worse than that. Not only that there is no response in any way, except of excuses like "the postoffice made mistakes, twice (so both times my item was send by Alan but not delivered), it seems he doesn't really care about us. Quoting one of his posts in this thread --I'm just a little busy actuly sorting the issues out to reply to every one indivitualy..-- I'm wondering why most people here complain about NO ANSWER FROM ALAN.
At least Alan might have some fun, referring to the "LOL"s I counted in his messages and few emails.

Looks like this is definitly NOT a reputation maker for you, Alan

CU
- Ralph
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 16, 2010 04:21PM)
Don't have this, and don't know alan, but c'mon now...do you know how long things take to get from singapore and those areas to england?!

in my experience, three weeks or more...give the guy a break...

I have the old finn jonn gimmick somewhere now I'm thinking about it all...may have to dig it out..
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 16, 2010 04:55PM)
It takes it time lol guys my phone number is in this thread some where too. IF NOT ITS ON MY SITE lol I'm not that hard to get hold off I'm a faitly open guy lol.. trust me I'm on it
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Jul 16, 2010 07:06PM)
Hi
I'm still waiting for mine to arrive and I'm mad as hell! Oh wait a minute, I never ordered one.
Sorry, please ignore my reply.
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 17, 2010 04:06AM)
[quote]
in my experience, three weeks or more...give the guy a break...
[/quote]
... a break from what? Telling people for weeks that he has sent the item and it must have been lost? I keep hearing that for more than a month now and "c'mon" - three items send and three items lost?! What are the chances?
Within those weeks I received two other orders from the UK within the usual 2-3 days, which it takes from UK to germany.

Finally this morning Alan replied to my last mail and sent me a refund, offering me to keep the shmoke as a gift for the troubles. Nice words, but to be honest I don't expect any delivery at all. Anyway, if the miracle of holding shmoke in my hands will happen I will pay him again immediatly. I'm willing to pay for sharing his ideas with me and maybe supporting new ones - that's the way it is or better should be.

I don't know Alan at all, this is my first time "business contact" to him. Maybe he was trustworthy in the past and still he is, but behaviour like this does not help me considering him being THE GOOD GUY at all, especially not when it is the first time doing business with Alan. I don't judge Alan as a person (as I said I don't know him) but from my experiences the way he's doing business is far from being at least acceptable.

I would like to see how things will go for the other guys ...

- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 17, 2010 04:10AM)
Ralph. Could you please check your emails before you say things like this. Your shmoke was sent monday and I STILL issued you a refund. take the shmoke as a gift for your troubles
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 17, 2010 05:01AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-17 05:10, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ralph. Could you please check your emails before you say things like this. Your shmoke was sent monday and I STILL issued you a refund. take the shmoke as a gift for your troubles
[/quote]
Alan, what is wrong with what I wrote? Is it my poor english that makes my posting being misunderstood?

You told me three times within the last 6 weeks (can be approved by emails) that you sent an item and there has been no delivery - I said that.

You gave me the refund - I said that.

You offered me to keep the Shmoke - I said that.

Additionally I said that IF I receive the shmoke, I will pay for it - but after all I don't expect the delivery of shmoke anymore. Again, this is not against your person but the way you do business. There are easy ways like certified mail being not much more expensive than regular mail (I think it is £7 instead of £5) which "I" would try after the second unsuccessful delivery at the latest to make sure the delivery will happen. Just to give you a hint, Alan.

You cannot expect people being happy after that and if anyone (like me) is a little upset because of spending money for receiving nothing you can't really blame him, can you?

Now that I have at least my money back things are "ok" to me, although I'd prefer holding SHMOKE in my hands, but this seems to be a hardly done. Again thank you very much for the offer to keep SHMOKE if it will arrive, but as I said before I will pay you for that. You did the work and I'll pay fot that - that's part of MY rules.

I suggest we stop that kind of conversation -here-. This thread is about SHMOKE but not the very details and history of my order. If there's something personal you would like to tell me, shoot an email and we'll keep this thread clean.

If there are any changes (the arrival of shmoke) I will drop a short message here for the community to let them know that you have successfully "bended backwards".

- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 17, 2010 05:06AM)
Jesus I'm sorry. I never even noticed that paragraph mate. My up most apologies on that. There is nothing personal what so ever mate and your gift should be with you soon. Its been bloody murder with all of this lol. Now I understand why merchants get so stressed lol..
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 17, 2010 06:04AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-17 06:06, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Jesus I'm sorry. I never even noticed that paragraph mate. My up most apologies on that. There is nothing personal what so ever mate and your gift should be with you soon. Its been bloody murder with all of this lol. Now I understand why merchants get so stressed lol..
[/quote]
It's ok, Alan - no hard feelings. I agree that this SHMOKE thingy is not what I would call a smooth walk in the park ;-) Looks like all this has grown a little too much to handle easily, right? You should do what your signature says, look from the outside what is happening, sort the things and get them done - maybe take some smaller steps?! A little more care, a little less rush - it is that easy, mate. You really seem to be confused and act a little overhasty ;-)

Have a nice weekend and maybe take a little rest
- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 17, 2010 06:24AM)
Im not confused mate but I do act a lil quick lol..

Your right in a sense, I did not expect the effect to be so popular. It was just unfortunate that we had a lot of postal issues here. However. 99.9 have there's already and the final few replacements where shipped monday so they should be there soon

Enjoy it when it arrives mate
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 17, 2010 06:43AM)
I don't know how long shipping takes to the U.S. but it has been 2 and 1/2 weeks since it was shipped.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 17, 2010 06:56AM)
Oddly I took about 6 weeks for papa to get his. hes in the states I beleive
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 17, 2010 09:03AM)
[quote]
Im not confused mate but I do act a lil quick lol..
Enjoy it when it arrives mate
[/quote]
I'll keep you up to date ;-)
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jul 17, 2010 10:13AM)
I just want to say I know alan personally and I know that he wouldnt intentionally try to rip off any of you. If he says hes doing his best, I can assure you he is doing his best. Ive lost packages multiple times from the UK before. I don't blame the person for it, its truly the post office's fault. Its a shame because this whole shipping thing was in the middle of the volcano problem which caused the first delay. If it wasnt for that then everyone would probably have their shmokes by now! All I'm saying is Alan is a good guy and if you ordered a shmoke, hes going to make sure you get it. While its understandable some people may be getting impatient, its not fair to take the blame out on Alan just because hes the only person on the thread you can blame for not receiving anything yet. Just have some faith, I know its hard, but Alan wouldnt hold back on you guys if he had the power to get the shmokes to you right now.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 17, 2010 10:18AM)
Thank you Nico. I did offer these people a service and ill bleeped if I don't give them it lol

Alan
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 18, 2010 11:22AM)
I feel a little cheated as well
this is the longest I've ever had to wait for an item like this from anywhere
I placed an order from a friend of mine last week and his package arrived yesterday from the uk
nothing on you Allen I'm just saying I I'm not a very happy camper
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 18, 2010 12:54PM)
I understand man. Hold tight. its should be on your door step anyday now
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Jul 18, 2010 01:04PM)
Wow... I almost feel bad for having mine since the original posting here....

Almost.

LOL!!!

(still need the vid when ya get a sec Alan ;-))

-J-
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jul 18, 2010 02:14PM)
This is an interesting concept and it's very cool. I figured it's not for me, so if you're interested, I'm selling mine here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=372982&forum=76&0
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 19, 2010 11:47PM)
Hey Alan, I gotta be honest man, I don't mean to jump on the band wagon buts it's been over 2 months since my pay pal was charged. I've received nothing. At this point I'd prefer just to get my refund. I don't mean to be bother but I've lost my interest in this. Should I issue the request through pay pal?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 20, 2010 02:17AM)
I would really like a refund. I really don't even want it anymore. My paypal is damastafrodobaggins@hotmail.com . You can refund it there. Take no offense. It just took way to long.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 20, 2010 02:18AM)
I figure I'll wait till the end of the month to ask for my refund!
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 20, 2010 03:14AM)
Alan, I think a lot of people here are upset with the fact that you are really inconsistent when it comes to answering emails or private messages. When people have waited this long, answering emails should be a big priority so that people don't feel like they're being ripped off. I've been waiting a long time now and it's upsetting when I send you an email and I don't get a response. I've asked you three times if I could send you some extra money and have my next shipment sent with some sort of tracking number. Considering that you said my(and several other people's) shipment must have been lost, this seems like a reasonable request, but I never recieved a response.

Also, on Saturday, July 17th you said "the final few replacements where shipped monday so they should be there soon", but a few days earlier on Thursday, July 15th you said you were "just waiting on more parts and replacement parts from singapore." That doesn't make any sense. On a Thursday you said you were still waiting on parts for the replacements, but then a few days later you say that all the replacements had been sent out ealier that week on Monday. How is that possible? Please explain what exactly you meant. Has my replacement been sent, and if so, When?

BTW, considering how many people here have said they haven't recieved their shipment yet (and I'm sure there are several more people who haven't said anything on this forum), I think saying that 99.9% of people have recieved theirs is quite inaccurate. If 99.9% of people had received theirs, that would mean only 1 person out of 1000 hadn't received their shipment. But you didn't sell anywhere near 1000 (I'm guessing you sold around 200 since it was a limited run) and there are quite a few people who haven't recieved anything.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jul 20, 2010 04:27AM)
Sent pm with emailaddress for refund.
No hard feelings, but this is getting strange.

Kind regards
Eric
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 20, 2010 05:17AM)
No worrys mate. Il get on that wen I'm back in the office. When shmoke arrives. just return it bud.

bundle, I thank you for you concers but I'm on the situation.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jul 20, 2010 06:17AM)
Thanks for taking care of the matter!
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jul 20, 2010 06:38AM)
Aww, you guys who are asking for refunds, you don't know what your missing out on. Defiantly the utility gimmick of the year. No matter how long I would have to wait, I'd still get it. Its absolutely brilliant!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 20, 2010 10:15AM)
Yeha jamie its jsut be unfortunate. Infact ill be nice folks. Any one who dosnt have it up untill this point ill happily refund. Just let me trans-fare the mulla form my bank to pay pal AND when they arrive you can keep them as a free gift for your troubles. how does that sound?
Message: Posted by: insight (Jul 20, 2010 10:50AM)
Hello Alan,

Based on Bundleofstix reply above, I too am waiting to hear your response regarding the inconsistencies in your posts. How is it possible that on Saturday, July 17th you said "the final few replacements where shipped monday so they should be there soon", but a few days earlier on Thursday, July 15th you said you were "just waiting on more parts and replacement parts from singapore." Also, how is it possible that 99.9% of people have received this? How many orders did you have, and how many people did not receive this? With those two data points, we can then calculate the percentage much more accurately than the potentially false number of 99.9% (which appears to be a wildly false, misleading, and inaccurate estimate).

You thanked bundle for his concerns, but you never answered his questions which I am sure many people are wanting answered also.

Trust is very important. It takes year and years to build it, but unfortunately, it takes just one second to lose it all...

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 20, 2010 12:25PM)
Insight. My last post should have been your answer. Im having issues with the post office here. I have sent out a replacment to everyone but there are still delays so as a gesture of good will I will be refunfign those stil waiting within the next few days.

Also 99.9 is not widly false. Most have theres. there seems to be around 10 whos got lost. So all in its not that far off.

So all in all when shmoke arrives keep it and you'll have a nice little gift and your refunds shoudl be with you with in the next three/4 days when pay pal takes the money from my bank to its system to cover it..

hope this clears all confusion up folks
Message: Posted by: shak (Jul 20, 2010 12:34PM)
I'm still waiting. I hope it arrives.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 20, 2010 12:48PM)
Ok folks to get this done as smoothly as possible.

Please email me here alanrorrisondottk@hotmail.co.uk ONLY if yo have not recieved your order up untill this point with the email adress linked to your pay pal in there my team will get it all sorted. NO other emails sent to this adress will be answered.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 20, 2010 03:07PM)
Shmoke by Alan Rorrison is ingenious. I ordered in April and received in June and didn't mind one bit on the wait.
I'm sorry folks have had a delay. I value my money as much as the next person ( I'm Irish, so the next person better be Scottish if they think they value it more;-)

I love the effect and Alan has been wonderful to deal with.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 20, 2010 05:27PM)
I'll wait another week. 4 weeks should be plenty of time for it to get here from the day it was shipped. Paid on June 1st.

Fingers crossed
If it doesn't get here soon I may take up smoking again just to see smoke come out of my mouth.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 20, 2010 07:58PM)
Email sent
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 20, 2010 08:54PM)
Email sent!
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jul 20, 2010 09:47PM)
I,ve now read TONS of postings about the delays and customer service issues with this item but I want to read how the owners are actually using this during performance.

What routines are you doing when the puff of smoke appears?
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 21, 2010 03:48AM)
Email sent, thanks.
Message: Posted by: insight (Jul 21, 2010 07:29AM)
Like MagicMan1957, I too am surprised that there are not more posts on the actual routines that are being utilized by professionals and how owners feel that this enhances their acts.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 21, 2010 07:58AM)
You produce smoke from your mouth, so I don't think there is much to write about, unless folks want to share their pet routines. You can produce smoke to vanish/change a coin, change a card, productions, vanishes, etc. You either want to produce smoke from your mouth via a clever way, or you don't.
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 21, 2010 11:28AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-20 07:38, JamieD wrote:
Aww, you guys who are asking for refunds, you don't know what your missing out on. Defiantly the utility gimmick of the year. No matter how long I would have to wait, I'd still get it. Its absolutely brilliant!

Jamie Daws
[/quote]
Telling me that the item ran out of stock and I'd have to wait instead of saying it has been sent three times and three times it did not reach me due to post offices fault would have made the difference.

It is not being impatient but the story sounds a little -strange- as someone else quoted. Additionally it looks like the offer for paying a certified mail was not answered/accepted ...

So, everyone has to figure out for himself why things are as they are. Alan offered the refund - that's not what most people wanted (taking the refund) I guess, but as we can see he is not ripping off.

Hopefully we all learn from this.
- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 21, 2010 12:32PM)
It not just the shmoke orders. The post office here has been messing a lot of things up. I wouldnt tell you they where out of stock just to cover up there incompetency. The issue has been sorted and a resolution that everyone seems happy with.

As I said before, Once the po get there act together and get the sent items to you, you can all treat them as a gift.

Alan
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 21, 2010 02:59PM)
If it's just your post office then how about trying a different one? Or are all the P.O.'s in Scotland less than stellar?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 21, 2010 04:20PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-21 15:59, slyhand wrote:
If it's just your post office then how about trying a different one? Or are all the P.O.'s in Scotland less than stellar?
[/quote]

Alec, the source of the Scottish P.O. problems are because

"The prevailing winds along the Great Glen are from the southwest. As warm air approaches the west of Scotland from the direction of central America it collects a great deal of moisture. Most of this is deposited over the high ground in the west of Scotland. Rainfall records show that from 75 inches (1,900mm) in Fort William at the western end of the Great Glen, the rainfall drops off at about one inch (25.4mm) per mile as you head along the glen towards Inverness. 42 inches (1070mm) falls on Fort Augustus at the west end of...

..... Loch Ness!

This evil kraken is the source of the problem!

[img]http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2007/08/loch_ness_monster_580x.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 21, 2010 04:53PM)
Haha nice one review king.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 21, 2010 07:21PM)
(sigh) I was hoping for a real answer.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 21, 2010 07:42PM)
Sorry I didn't notice your post there bud. There is one post office where I am. Te closest after is 40 miles away so I only have the option of one or the shipping would be crazy. Hope this asweres your question.


It's also no relevent with the refunds now mate. I'm sorry that the po has let you folks down and there was nothing more I could do to help
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jul 22, 2010 01:41AM)
Email sent
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 22, 2010 02:25AM)
Cheers mate. Im trying to get all the emails at the one address to make it easier to deal with them. Not to many but its handy to have them all in the one pot lol.
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 22, 2010 09:50AM)
[quote]
... there was nothing more I could do to help
[/quote]

Sorry mate, I really don't want to stress that thread to the limit but reading this ... I don't think it is fair to dissociate yourself from all faults, it ain't that easy.
Some people suggested certified mail, that would have been the key, mate. It is not like the first time in history that there is the need of guaranteed and secure mail delivery, is it? Certified mail or mail with tracking is the standard in online trading nowadays, not the exception.
In my honest opinion it's a pity that people have to give their suggestions and provide possible solutions to make/help you successfully do transactions. You've been offered the most valuable solution to get back control over this issue with only a little more to do by yourself (e.g. completion of certified mail forms), but maybe this is not your definition of "bending over backwards" - to quote yourself.
People even offered you to pay the additional fee for certified mail as well and you still didn't accept that, so it should be:

There was nothing more -WE- could do to help

I would have been very happy with paying £7 for guaranteed delivery instead of £5 for playing lotto. That's the way World Magic Store sents their items (within 2-3 days), for example. Even if it is 2 or at least 3 deliveries due to items being temporarily out of stock it is £7 alltogether - all the time - always success.

Alan, I really want to believe that it is all up to the PO, but it's getting harder and harder ...

- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 22, 2010 12:44PM)
Ralph, I am not saying there was anything you guys could do so please stop being so defensive. Now at this point as have previously stated, they where dispatched last Monday and ad far as I know they are simply delayed! I have also issued a refund to all 9 of you still waiting so when they arrive, they are free.

People have offered to pay extra for special delivery after they where posted but there was also an issue with the special delivery. I even had an issue sending some items to world magic store via special next day delivery through this one post office.

Now at this point if you believe its the POs fault or not is irrelevant. You guys ordered a service, I sent it. There was an issue with said service so I sent replacements which did not get to you quick enough so I issued a refund.

So you select few will have your item and you will have it free, you cant say fairer than that and god knows why your still unhappy at this point but anything past this is pushing for an argument. The items where sent along with a refund. that's all I can do on the matter


Alan
Message: Posted by: thecardman (Jul 22, 2010 01:05PM)
Ralph

OK, full disclosure here. I am a friend of Alan's. Also, I have not been party to this discussion but I need to point something out here...

The British Post Office is one big joke. The German postal service is light years ahead of what we have here.

You need to remember that Alan and I live in a country where those that run the Post Office have decided to close a number of Post Offices leaving many small - and not so small - towns, villages and communities without a Post Office, so when Alan says that it's 40 miles (approx. 60Km) to his second closest Post Office, he's not joking! I've visited the town where he lives twice - it was closed the first time I was there!

When it does arrive with you, you will have the product for free. Stop complaining!

Please note that I will not be back in this thread so you can say what you like to/about me - I won't be here to listen to your drivel (go look that word up!).

Best wishes

Peter
:)
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Jul 22, 2010 02:38PM)
Alan, email sent. A brief reply would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Dave.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 22, 2010 02:43PM)
I'll need to check I. The mornin Dave. I'm
outnof office just now mate
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Jul 22, 2010 02:49PM)
I am not complaining at all - I got my refund and things are ok to me. There are only a few things I don't like and as you might have read it is not only me considering some things being strange.

Poor attitude, Peter. You are not involved at all and I am not really sure if you are doing Alan a favour when you insult people in his matter.

Fortunatly Alan takes care about HIS matter way better and valuable to those people it concernes - maybe you could learn something here from your friend.

Your posting simply shows that you neither have read the whole thread nor you have understood what you read (otherwise you would have noticed that I don't want his item for free and if it still arrives I will pay for it then). Hopefully at least you know why you gave us your thoughts here, unfortunatly I do not. So thank you for your comments and explanations, I did learn a lot.

I'll stop writing here as this is getting personal and impolite, thanks Peter. I would be happy if people drop a short info when they have received their shmoke replacement - just to see that I was wrong ...

kind regards
- Ralph
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jul 23, 2010 02:42AM)
Hi Ralph and all the others

All I can say is that I still don't have mine. I was supposed to have it at least 3 weeks ago. I have placed my order 7 weeks ago now... hmmm...

Sorry, that's way too long for an item, that was "in stock". I'm going to ask Alan for a refund now. :-(

Bye
Patrick, Switzerland
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Jul 23, 2010 05:28AM)
Alan,

Seems you have a popular effect, but need some assistance with the transactions. I bet you could market this to one of the popular magic stores, i.e. Hocus Pocus, and have them take care of everything for you in terms of marketing and shipping. That may be the best option for your customers, and may be great for your sales.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 23, 2010 05:57AM)
Keep your eyes open. All I'm sayin
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jul 23, 2010 11:48AM)
So I'm assuming the "Only 100 will be made" and "limited edition" are no longer true? If so, that's a disappointment.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 23, 2010 11:56AM)
An opportunity has came about that is to good to pass up on v.2.0 OF the effect with a company who had the financial backing to do it so keep your eyes open.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 24, 2010 01:31PM)
Does this mean that now the version we all ordered is now outdated??? I mean it's awsome that Allen is giving refunds and all but still :/
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 02:36PM)
Only the folk who have not recieved the first editions got refunds mate. Mor einfo comming soon
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 24, 2010 02:46PM)
Still haven't received either!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 02:48PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-20 13:48, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ok folks to get this done as smoothly as possible.

Please email me here alanrorrisondottk@hotmail.co.uk ONLY if yo have not recieved your order up untill this point with the email adress linked to your pay pal in there my team will get it all sorted. NO other emails sent to this adress will be answered.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: brainman (Jul 24, 2010 02:59PM)
Did resend the broken one...waaaaiting....and I also believed it would stay limited...silly boy I am.
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Jul 24, 2010 03:43PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-20 13:48, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ok folks to get this done as smoothly as possible.

Please email me here alanrorrisondottk@hotmail.co.uk ONLY if yo have not recieved your order up untill this point with the email adress linked to your pay pal in there my team will get it all sorted. NO other emails sent to this adress will be answered.
[/quote]

Alan,
Since I saw that you never read the July 6th PM I sent you and I have not heard back from my email sent as directed above, I figured I'd post to the thread. It seems that you see and respond to those. I think why people get aggravated with you is your lack of communication with them. If someone PM's you or emails you about an issue, they expect an answer. I don't think you fail to reply on purpose or that you don't care, but it does not matter to the people contacting you. I too have not seen my unit or the PayPal refund to date, and I have not heard from you since late June. I think if you made an effort to be better at communicating with customers that you would not catch so much flack from them. Please let me know the status of my situation.

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 03:49PM)
Hello mate. Just follow the details in the quote and ill get you sorted. You sent me a pm let me go look. Sorry for the delay in reply in anycase
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 24, 2010 04:03PM)
Sent a few emails and even a paypal request on paypal..still waiting :D
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 24, 2010 04:04PM)
I've emailed 3 times!!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 04:08PM)
What was the address lou? and ill go look now blind


alan
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 04:10PM)
All my refund requests in pay pal are processed and pending. On the emails. Im waiting till I'm sure I have all of them in. then I know how much I need to transfer out my bank to cover it guys.


ALan
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 24, 2010 04:12PM)
My email is jamesdean2020@yahoo.com. The paypal mail was aga52280@yahoo.com! Thanks Alan!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 04:13PM)
Cheers bud. Now its sleepy time for me..
Message: Posted by: Vorezo (Jul 24, 2010 04:31PM)
So T11 picked this up and made it one of there 5 massive releases(guess)...Im glad I did not purchase one of the limited 100.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 24, 2010 09:36PM)
When can we expect these refunds?

I don't understand why you have to wait until you recieve all the requests, then tranfser the money from your bank account to your paypal account, and then finally send the refunds. Why don't you send the refund payments directly from your bank account? There's no need to first transfer the money to your paypal account. Depending on your paypal account the refund can be sent from your bank account as either an instant transfer, or as an e-check, either way we'll recieve the refund sooner than waiting until every last person has contacted you.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 24, 2010 09:50PM)
My bank charges you for each and every transfer to pay pal. It s a down side of a savers account. If I do one transfer it inherently becomes less than a few little ones.... Simple enough. now a guys gotta sleep folks.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 24, 2010 11:21PM)
Fair enough.
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Jul 25, 2010 12:29PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-22 15:38, davidleiper wrote:
Alan, email sent. A brief reply would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Dave.
[/quote]

Alan, could you please update me? I'm not looking for refund- just an expected delivery date.

email is davidleiper@doctors.org.uk

cheers
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jul 25, 2010 02:54PM)
Alan,
Hope the case with P.o is sorted out. Cant wait. Have you re- re -re- re- shipped the item? Impatient souls!!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 26, 2010 07:36AM)
I've PM'd Alan twice about the original claim "limited to 100" and this new
v 2.0. No response from him.
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jul 26, 2010 09:28AM)
What a joke... so much for a limited release.

I sold mine as though pretty cool it's not something I will be using, but I would not have appreciated buying something with the understanding that it was a limited release only to find out that's a load of ********.

I can see how this is a good opportunity for Alan but at the same time he really should honour the original agreement, or at the very least it should have been a timed exclusive so that the original purchasers have it for a year or so before it gets a general release... of course some would prob still be waiting on there package by the time the exclusivity was up :P

Oh well doesn't affect me anymore, but surely not everyone is happy about this.

To end on a good note... this Malteser KFC Krushem I'm enjoying is yummy.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Jul 26, 2010 10:37AM)
Not happy about the limited edition being offered as a version 2.
A magician's word should mean something these days.

I'm selling a high tech device that will make you instantly vanish.
It looks like a special effect when you see the demo you will swear it is trick photography.
So only 25 units will be sold and those that buy it will have an exclusive for life.

Alan I have shipped you one to review so please let me know if I can improve it?
Please send me version 2 of Shmoke so I can see how my exclusive was improved?
All my best in magic;)
my V.V will be out shortly Virtual Vanisher:)


magicmike30
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 26, 2010 12:37PM)
Hey Alan what's the expected date for the refund man? There's gotta be some point where you just collect the total and transfer the money form your bank even if you don't have "all" the refund request emailed in, right? I know the bank charges you for transfers and that sucks but its not too fair to keep those already requested refunds on hold for a long time, you know? Thanks again for sorting this out.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 26, 2010 12:48PM)
Put a transfare in today as I believe I have all the folks now. Itll take three days to process it through. the day does ill do all the refunds.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 26, 2010 05:25PM)
So has my product shipped as well?
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 26, 2010 09:47PM)
Who knows Lou. Alan has said that ALL of the replacements were sent out July 12th. But I have some doubts as to whether or not that's true, due to the fact that ON July 12th he said he had just placed the order for replacement supplies, and then on July 15th he said he was "just waiting on more parts and replacement parts from singapore." So obviously something here doesn't add up. When Alan was asked about this obvious inconsistency, he avoided giving an answer and said he'd give out refunds. Someone else also asked him for an answer to this inconsistency in his statements, and he said the refund was his answer. Well it's great that he's giving out a refund (although that should be a given considering we never recieved what we paid for, and I seriously doubt I'll ever recieve it), but this big inconsistency in Alan's statements leads me to believe that we were lied to and that Alan's an untrustworthy person. Maybe this is a misunderstanding, but Alan's refusal to explain isn't helping the situation. If I feel someone is untrustworthy I will no longer continue to purchase any of their products.

I can definately see why people are irritated to discover that this product is going to be rereleased so soon, especially when they were lead to believe it was going to be a limited release. Granted I never recieved my order so I should be happy that I'll have the opportunity to purchase this from a dealer who can actually get this delivered to me. But as I said I doubt I'll be purchasing this or any other of Mr. Rorrison's products, based on principal. Luckily, Alan wasn't the first to invent this product(a p** that allows you to breath a puff of smoke) and it is available to purchase on the internet (although it was not intended as a magic gimmick, so it doesn't come with a DVD showing you how to use it for magic purposes). Originally this product was made for people who were trying to quit smoking, and they were made to look like cigarretes. Then the company that makes these decided to also make them in the form of a p** for people who wanted something more discreet. It costs a little more than what Alan was charging, but at least you know you'll recieve it. Who knows, maybe I will eventually recieve the replacement from Alan, which would be great because this really does seem like a great product and it will have lots of applications for magic.

Alan, I apologise if it seems like I'm being overly harsh, but you really handled this situation poorly.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 26, 2010 10:27PM)
Ya. Nothing yet either
Getting upset now that he said he wouldn't give me refund and have been waiting just as long as others with payment but no product
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 26, 2010 10:38PM)
Elimagic, what do you mean he said he wouldn't give you a refund? He said he would be giving a refund to everyone who hasn't recieved their shipment yet.
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Jul 27, 2010 06:58AM)
Hi Alan,

Are you going to send me a new shmoke out?
Mine went dead and doesn't work at all anymore. I've written you many many times
and emailed you and you have never responded back to me.

Thank you,
Steven Skindell
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 27, 2010 07:21AM)
Shipping delays and natural disasters happen and I'm very forgiving of that. But saying there will be only 100 made and then not honoring that is wrong. I guess that's why my PM's asking for an explanation have gone unanswered.

Don't people that do this know all future releases will have this hanging over them. Is Alan planning to never have another release, so he doesn't care?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 07:39AM)
Folks keep in mind I'm trying to juggle a life I surprisingly have away form the internet too. Stevo, its sounds like you just need a battery pack. Pm me your address and ill send you my spare bpack.

Review king. I cant give you info ont he improvements on v.2.0 at this time. But I had the opportunity to improve on the original idea so I took it. Any thing that will make the effect better is a must for me and the progression of the effect. Only 100 where ever sent of the v1.0( well to 100 people I mean) The 2.0 units are a progression to the original
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 27, 2010 07:42AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-27 08:39, Alan Rorrison wrote:

Review king. I cant give you info ont he improvements on v.2.0 at this time. But I had the opportunity to improve on the original idea so I took it. Any thing that will make the effect better is a must for me and the progression of the effect. Only 100 where ever sent of the v1.0( well to 100 people I mean) The 2.0 units are a progression to the original
[/quote]

Then you should have created something to "improve on the original idea" and offer an upgrade ONLY to the 100 people that supported you.

You broke your word.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 07:46AM)
A car company brings out a car only at one thousand units, then they improve a few things and release a new version. It happens all the time in creative fields

Only 100 customers got v1.0 and I wont be releasing the 1. unit again, My word on that is fine.

Some may call it selling out. some will call it natural progession or evolution, But as stated I have the means to make an upgrade to the design which I did not have before.

On the upgrade pack idea. This is something I would need to discuss with the company but its something I will put forward
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 27, 2010 07:58AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-27 08:46, Alan Rorrison wrote:
A car company brings out a car only at one thousand units, then they improve a few things and release a new version. It happens all the time in creative fields

[/quote]

Oh, do they state that only a certain # of models will be made and the line closed out? If they did that and broke their word, their customers would be OK with that and support them in the future? Not bloody likely.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 08:04AM)
It happens all the time and in the end the v2.0 is an improvement/evolution to the limited 1.0. If I didn't take the opportunity no one would get the improvement etc. I have email you upgrade pack idea to the company and ill let you guys know what happens. That is the best I can do just now on the matter, Stevo I look forward to your pm. And the other select few your refunds will go though this friday. Now I cant spend all day moching about online. I need to go deal with real life
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 27, 2010 09:03AM)
On page ten Alan states I do now qualify fir the refund
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 27, 2010 02:43PM)
So once again! Was my unit shipped to me or not Alan?? I believe I was one of the original 100 and I haven't received it yet! You also said you would refund those that did not receive theirs and to consider Shmoke a "gift" when it arrives. (If it arrives.) What's the word on this? Will I be receiving version 2?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 02:58PM)
Lou if said a few times that ALL have been shipped but obviously there is an issue with some folks getting theres and the instructions on how to get a refund where posted twice by me.

I have shipped v1.0 to you.

Now if you still don't have it feel free to follow the instructions that I have posted before but will add again below for you.


On 2010-07-20 13:48, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Ok folks to get this done as smoothly as possible.

Please email me here alanrorrisondottk@hotmail.co.uk ONLY if yo have not recieved your order up untill this point with the email adress linked to your pay pal in there my team will get it all sorted. NO other emails sent to this adress will be answered.



hope this helps
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 27, 2010 04:03PM)
Are you kidding me right now? Follow the instructions???????? Do you seriously want me to email you a 4th time? I've pmed you multiple times as well. One from July 6th still unread and yet the pm from the 22nd has been read and you responded to. Do you forget conversations that you have with people? I'm just curious! I'm not trying to be a d*** and I'm sorry if it comes across that way! On the 22nd I pmed you with "Alan. I sent you an email like you asked! Did you get it? I haven't received it yet and if I'm one of the 9 people who hasn't received their product I haven't received a refund either! Please let me know what's up and if Shmoke has been shipped to me! Thanks!!"

You response was, " make it ten mate. I'll sort you you out when I get home bud.". Did you sort me out when you got home? Or should I send you another email!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 04:05PM)
If you have already emailed me then there is nothing to worry about
all refunds will go through on friday and you will be in it mate. This I have said in this very thread.

So A. yes its shipped. B. if you don't have it yet and you have email me your refund will go through on firday as I have previously stated in the thread.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 27, 2010 04:13PM)
This helps very much Alan! This kind of response was all I asked for! Thanks very much! Like I said. I'm not trying to sound like a d***. I just wanted a definitive answer! I appreciate it!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 04:16PM)
Not at all mate I know your not. I just got a few things on at the one time here lol
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Jul 27, 2010 05:17PM)
First of all Alan, I'd advise you to tell your mate Peter to shut the !@#$ up. He really wasn't doing you any favours by what he said.

Secondly, I'm still not quite sure why you couldn't have just driven to the PosT office 40 miles away. It's not that far.

Thirdly, has anyoe else paid £45 like I did for one of the 'first 100'? I was told that there was one left from this batch but people were wanting it. Ok fine, so I upped the price from what it was being sold on the website (£30) to £45. I wanted the thing so I'll pay extra. That was two months ago and nothing.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 27, 2010 05:25PM)
I don't drive unfortunately. What any oen else says is otu of my control. You should have paid £35 mate but don't worry if you have popped your email over to me like the above post states itll just be referenced in pay pal and a direct refund will be issued so you'll get every penny back
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Jul 27, 2010 05:45PM)
Yeah fair enough. Yeah I did email you( I'm neruda95@yahoo.co.uk) so that's cool. As for the payment, it's Johnny, Ben Williams' mate, when I texted asking you about any units left, I offered the £45 and we agreed on that. Cheers dude.
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jul 29, 2010 03:10AM)
Alan , you don't drive?...How do you get to gigs and the Post Office etc?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 29, 2010 04:52AM)
My paypal is damastafrodobaggins@hotmail.com

I sent you a money request that is pending on my side. I hope you don't confuse that with you sending me the payment. Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Jul 30, 2010 06:46PM)
Well,

It's Friday afternoon here in Northern California and there is still no PayPal refund nor have I ever received a Shmoke unit. I know Alan is a really good guy and a very creative magician, but I have to say that he is not much of a business man. This is seriously not the way to handle customer service issues, in fact, it's exactly how NOT to handle them! No direct communication, no response to emails and/or PM's, and no solution for us, the customers. The only thing that seems to get a response is posting to this thread, that's why I'm posting these comments rather than email or PM Alan.

Here's to hoping for a solution by the end of the week...

Frustrated in The SF Bay Area,
Hank
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 30, 2010 07:08PM)
Yeah, no PayPal here either. Hoping....
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 31, 2010 03:03AM)
Well Friday has passed and I also haven't recieved a refund, at this point I can't say I'm surprised.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 31, 2010 03:43AM)
Just popping into pay pal to put them through just now folks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 31, 2010 04:08AM)
All refund requests now put through folks
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 31, 2010 04:49AM)
I checked and I haven't revieved any refund yet.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 31, 2010 04:57AM)
I don't know how I missed you mate. check you pms and ill get it done now
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Jul 31, 2010 05:28AM)
Ok I just recieved my refund, Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 31, 2010 10:24AM)
Alan can you please check damastafrodobaggins@hotmail.com.

I'm sorry, I'm fighting really hard to get my money back for a product I have not even recieved. Please can you personally check to make sure it went through that account?


I billed "to you"

I even personally messaged you on facebook
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jul 31, 2010 12:51PM)
Sorry the was a pening on you so I overlooked it lol. Your sorted now
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Jul 31, 2010 12:57PM)
Alan,
PayPal refund received to my account, thanks for taking care of it. I'm sorry that this turned into such a fiasco for both you and your customers.

Thanks again,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 31, 2010 01:31PM)
Thank you, my stressing is now over.

I will be a returning customer
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Jul 31, 2010 03:25PM)
Hey Alan, I haven't received my refund yet. My paypal is stmlifeteen(at)gmail(dot)com
I've emailed you, I pm'd you, I follow the "refund" directions. I appreciate your help with this. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Jul 31, 2010 03:34PM)
Alan,

Sorry to be a pain but no Shmoke and no refund yet mate.

Can you check it out?

Paypal davidleiper@doctors.org.uk

Cheers

Dave.
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Jul 31, 2010 06:07PM)
Wanted the product more than a refund. I guess there isn't a choice anymore. Wil check my paypal accnt on monday and see if refund has arrived
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Jul 31, 2010 11:38PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-31 19:07, bhayankaran wrote:
Wanted the product more than a refund. I guess there isn't a choice anymore. Wil check my paypal accnt on monday and see if refund has arrived
[/quote]

I'm with you! I too wanted the product more than the refund! Alan says the product had been shipped to me but I don't think I'll ever see it! I do have a refund pending though!
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Aug 1, 2010 10:16AM)
Not received any refund. Did you put it through? I'm neruda95@yahoo.co.uk for £45
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Aug 1, 2010 02:54PM)
Refund received. Thanks Alan.

Keep us posted on Shmoke and you progress with distribution.

Cheers

Dave
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Aug 1, 2010 04:22PM)
Me too. Thanks very much.
Message: Posted by: shak (Aug 1, 2010 06:47PM)
Alan, I haven't received my refund. I sent a pm and two emails.
My paypal is jelicocrow@sbcglobal.net
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Aug 1, 2010 06:50PM)
Have not seen my refund either. Hmmm.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 2, 2010 02:12AM)
Alan,
I see davidleiper and LankyHobo got there refunds, my post about me not getting it is right above theirs.... Did you put it through yet? It's been almost THREE MONTHS since I paid you. Please refund me asap at stmlifeteen@gmail.com. Thank you for understanding.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 2, 2010 05:39AM)
God squad your refund has went through as has slyhands and all others. I can see them in my pending sheet now.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Aug 2, 2010 06:48AM)
Thanks Alan. I will be looking for it. I'll post when it comes through.
Message: Posted by: shak (Aug 2, 2010 07:38AM)
My refund is here. Thanks. I will look forward to version 2 when it comes out.
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 2, 2010 02:55PM)
No refund yet to me
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 2, 2010 03:02PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 08:38, shak wrote:
My refund is here. Thanks. I will look forward to version 2 when it comes out.
[/quote]

Version 2? Alan clearly said this was a limited run. He wouldn't go back on his word and come out with a version 2.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Aug 2, 2010 03:08PM)
I, for one, am really looking forward to his improved version and release. I have v.1 and sure as hell will be buying v.2. can't wait and very excited!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 2, 2010 03:17PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 16:08, JamieD wrote:
I, for one, am really looking forward to his improved version and release. I have v.1 and sure as hell will be buying v.2. cant wait and very excited!

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

Any issues with the statement that this was a limited run?
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 2, 2010 03:18PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 16:02, Review King wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 08:38, shak wrote:
My refund is here. Thanks. I will look forward to version 2 when it comes out.
[/quote]

Version 2? Alan clearly said this was a limited run. He wouldn't go back on his word and come out with a version 2.
[/quote]

I thought v1 was also a limited run. So limited (curse the p.o problems)that many including me have not received it. After getting the refund I would want the v2 atleast.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 2, 2010 03:39PM)
Thank you , Alan.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 2, 2010 04:40PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 16:08, JamieD wrote:
I, for one, am really looking forward to his improved version and release. I have v.1 and sure as hell will be buying v.2. cant wait and very excited!

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

Gee, I wish I had Version 1! I paid for it and was told it was on its way but is it coming? After being told yes I firmly believe NO. I'm happy my refund is pending though!
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Aug 2, 2010 04:43PM)
Review King, in all honesty, your argument is getting a little tiring. At the time Alan released this effect, he was releasing it as an individual and independant performer. He had to buy every single gimmick and hand make every single gimmick. This is why he said it was a limited run. It was a lot of work to produce this for one person. Then he get's an offer to release an improved version with an unknown company. This allows the financial ability to buy in bulk and also gives him the oppertunity to have more hands constructing the gimmick so he doesn't have to be overworked. To say he "went back on his word" is unfair because he didn't know he was going to be offered this at the time. This is how Alan makes his living, by selling and performing magic. Do you really think its fair to criticize him for taking a deal? I think its selfish. So what, there will be more released. It's up to him and you have to understand he didn't know there were going to be more released at the time he listed Shmoke as "limited release". The circumstances have changed.
Message: Posted by: Bernardo Rodriguez (Aug 2, 2010 05:11PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-02 17:43, Nico Zottos wrote:
Review King, in all honesty, your argument is getting a little tiring. At the time Alan released this effect, he was releasing it as an individual and independant performer. He had to buy every single gimmick and hand make every single gimmick. This is why he said it was a limited run. It was a lot of work to produce this for one person. Then he get's an offer to release an improved version with an unknown company. This allows the financial ability to buy in bulk and also gives him the oppertunity to have more hands constructing the gimmick so he doesn't have to be overworked. To say he "went back on his word" is unfair because he didn't know he was going to be offered this at the time. This is how Alan makes his living, by selling and performing magic. Do you really think its fair to criticize him for taking a deal? I think its selfish. So what, there will be more released. It's up to him and you have to understand he didn't know there were going to be more released at the time he listed Shmoke as "limited release". The circumstances have changed.
[/quote]

opportunity =]
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 3, 2010 03:10PM)
By the way, no refund yet Alan.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 3, 2010 04:40PM)
I'll have a look when I get home in the morning mate.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Aug 3, 2010 05:43PM)
Yes, v1 was limited. v2 is not limited. Why does it matter if it was limited anyway? How does it make any difference to anyone's life. In the grand scheme of things, it will fundamentally change nothing. You'll still be able to perform and use it. It won't alter your life in any way. The fact that it was promised to be a limited run was only because the creator did not have the time to facilitate a large number of orders. He was fortunate enough to be able to release this properly and the opportunity only came about after the first limited run. It's an absolutely brilliant effect and device. The more magicians that get to use this thing the better. At the end of the day, were all performers out there doing the same sort of thing for the same reward. To entertain, do what we love and put food on the table. I think this thread has been one gripe and dig after the next. I of course am not going to swear or be directly rude or disrespectful to anyone, but please just cut this man some slack. He's trying to earn a living and spread some of his creative input amongst us. I, for one am incredibly grateful he chose to release it because it's because a regularly feature of my walk around act.

I mean no disrespect to anyone and hope this is taken with the best intention that it's meant.

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Aug 3, 2010 07:10PM)
No refund yet.
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 3, 2010 07:10PM)
Jamie,
I am a fan of both Alan's work and yours as well. I own pretty much all of Alan's downloads from way back as well as a few of his DVD's. I have also purchased several of your downloads and have enjoyed working with them.

The issue I had as well as many others who were "griping" as you put it, is because we paid for something that NEVER came. To make matters worse, when we attempted to communicate with Alan via PM's or email, we never received a response. For me, I posted on this thread because I saw that Alan was at least responding to comments left. As I indicated previously, I had a refund posted to my PayPal account last Friday, just as Alan promised. I'll say it again, I think Alan is a good guy and a really creative magician with some great contributions to the magic community. I just don't think he is a very good business man and does not understand the true importance of good customer service/relations.

I had an issue several years ago with a download I ordered from Alan that took FOREVER to recieve. He had lots of apologies and some good excuses, but the transaction left a bad taste in my mouth as a customer. It soured me away from his web site and purchasing any more downloads for a long time. Since that time, I purchased some of his DVD's via a magic dealer because I knew Alan had someone else handling "the business end" of things. I hesitated for a moment when Alan put out the word on the Shmoke Units becuase of what happened with the download a few years back. In the end, I decided to go with Alan's creativity and take the plunge on the Shmoke Unit direct from Alan. As a result, I waited for months and never saw the unit. I truly feel Alan is a powerful contributing force in the world of magic, but I also feel that he REALLY should let someone else handle his business. He's not cut out for that side of it, as is the case with many creative people.

The bottom line, I got my money back. I see it as no harm no foul. If and when Alan distributes Shmoke through a third party company, I'm there and I'm definitely in. I would not have ordered a unit in the first place if I was not interested and did not have confidence in Alan's creativity and ingenuity. Alan, keep contributing, we are all better off by it. HOWEVER, please let someone else take care of your business for you...

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 3, 2010 08:35PM)
Two of I still missing refunds, I'll sort that in the morning. After shmoke 2.o I'm releasing nothing else.
Message: Posted by: maps (Aug 3, 2010 09:39PM)
Hi Alan,I got the Shmoke gimmick and it's a great prop.I've pm-ed you for the download link that didn't work and hope you can resend me the link again.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 3, 2010 09:53PM)
Alan,

For you to stop releasing your work would be a huge loss for the magic community and for us professional magicians who are out there trying to make either a part-time or a full-time living out of it. You are a fantastic creative contributor to magic. This whole V1 / V2 thing is a non-issue. People need to get a life and get a grip.

My issue with Shmoke, along with most of the others who posted here, was with the way you handle your business and your customer service/relations. I don't think I'm shocking you by telling you that you are not good at it. Let someone else handle that side for you, a friend, family member, or a third party magic distributor. We know you are a good guy Alan, and you are a heck of a talented creator.

Thanks again for the refund last Friday, just as you promised. As I told Jamie D, I'll be one of the first in line for the release of Shmoke 2.0.

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Aug 4, 2010 08:17PM)
I see the refund is pending till Aug 11th. Thanks Alan.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 4, 2010 08:30PM)
Mine is pending till the 6th
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 4, 2010 08:37PM)
Hm why is it pending?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 4, 2010 09:18PM)
I'll get back to you and see if it comes into my account on the 6th
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Aug 5, 2010 06:43AM)
I have no idea why it says it's pending. But that's what it says.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 5, 2010 09:47AM)
Yeah, mine says it's pending until the 9th.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 5, 2010 10:05AM)
It's pending because he sent the payment as pounds instead of US dollars, and for some reason if you don't have that type of currency already in your account (even though you can have it automatically converted to USD or whatever currency) paypal takes a few days to clear the transaction.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 5, 2010 11:25AM)
Aaah cheers stix I was scratching my head there
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 5, 2010 01:46PM)
I too will be getting shmoke 2.0,,,, I love the idea and effect and I really want it. I hope you didn't get roughed up too bad by this whole thing. I still think your a great magician and a great guy
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 5, 2010 02:13PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-05 14:46, elimagic wrote:
I too will be getting shmoke 2.0,,,, I love the idea and effect and I really want it. I hope you didn't get roughed up too bad by this whole thing. I still think your a great magician and a great guy
[/quote]

Ditto.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 5, 2010 02:41PM)
Shmoke is bloody briliant. I'd love to know if 2.0 will be worth upgrading to.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Aug 5, 2010 02:43PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-03 18:43, JamieD wrote:
Yes, v1 was limited. v2 is not limited. Why does it matter if it was limited anyway? How does it make any difference to anyone's life. In the grand scheme of things, it will fundamentally change nothing. You'll still be able to perform and use it. It won't alter your life in any way. The fact that it was promised to be a limited run was only because the creator did not have the time to facilitate a large number of orders. He was fortunate enough to be able to release this properly and the opportunity only came about after the first limited run. It's an absolutely brilliant effect and device. The more magicians that get to use this thing the better. At the end of the day, were all performers out there doing the same sort of thing for the same reward. To entertain, do what we love and put food on the table. I think this thread has been one gripe and dig after the next. I of course am not going to swear or be directly rude or disrespectful to anyone, but please just cut this man some slack. He's trying to earn a living and spread some of his creative input amongst us. I, for one am incredibly grateful he chose to release it because it's because a regularly feature of my walk around act.

I mean no disrespect to anyone and hope this is taken with the best intention that it's meant.

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

Just reread the whole thread....

How many things in your life, non magic, have been "limited"? Limited edition, for a limited time, a limited number available....etc? Limited in my example is a selling technique, if it was really "limited" would it matter?
better yet..."collectible" Or "collectors edition"

I agree Jamie
Message: Posted by: shak (Aug 6, 2010 10:28AM)
Alan, I just received a notice from paypal saying that the payment has been cancelled????

If you could please check into this, that would be great.
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Aug 6, 2010 10:48AM)
Yes I too have just had notice from PayPal saying my refund has been cancelled.
Please explain what is going on.
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 6, 2010 11:12AM)
Alan,
Make that three people who just received a notice that the payment has been cancelled! It was a pending transaction that was supposed to post to my account today. My guess is that there were insufficient funds in your account.

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: brainman (Aug 6, 2010 11:15AM)
Same refund problem here ; )
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 11:40AM)
That's odd. Ill look into it now folks. Ive not cancled anything and the money is sitting there. ill contact paypal and ask them whats up
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 11:46AM)
I just placed a ticket with pay pal enquiring to what has happened I'll let you know as soon as they get back to me.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 6, 2010 11:59AM)
I was Shmoke-ing last night. Killer reactions. Any news on 2.0?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 12:11PM)
All the information that I can give is already on the boards. Just waiting on pay pal getting back to me folks
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 6, 2010 12:12PM)
My refund was canceled!!!!!!! WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 12:14PM)
Lou read a few posts back. Im not canceling anything. I do not know what pay pal is up to. I've send a ticket into the support team to find out what there doing mate. I'll get back to you guys as soon as they get back to me.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 6, 2010 01:48PM)
Mine was cancelled too!!!!!
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 6, 2010 01:49PM)
Alan, can I send YOU a request for payment and then you can pay it with your paypal....? That may work better.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 6, 2010 01:54PM)
Mine was cancelled as well. Not a happy camper.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 01:57PM)
I can't accept payments either. I'm wating on pay pal getting back to me. I got an automated messages from them telling me they have the ticket so here is hoping they move there butts
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 02:02PM)
Anyone know why pay pal would do this?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 6, 2010 02:03PM)
Thank you Alan for being responsible and actually trying to give us back our refunds. We shall wait and see what happens.

In the end I did not receive my product. I work super hard and break my back working in a Safeway Deli and I just want my hard earned money so I can put it to better use.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 02:11PM)
I fully understand that mate. I'll let you guys know as soon as pay pal gets back to me
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 6, 2010 02:20PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-06 15:02, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Anyone know why pay pal would do this?
[/quote]

It's not Paypal, it's God. He doesn't like Magi stealing the walking on water trick.
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 6, 2010 03:27PM)
Are the guys who had the payment pending till some date having the "payment cancelled" problem. In that case I'll join you soon. I have the refund pending too. Alan, something is really wrong mate.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 6, 2010 03:34PM)
My refund was also cancelled, this is seriously ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 6, 2010 03:43PM)
Instead of just emailing them why don't you use your phone and call them, I would like this resolved now, not a couple days from now.

On the same page where you contact them by email it also gives you a phone # for their help line.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 6, 2010 03:59PM)
I'm doing my best to resolove this now and thanks for the suggestion
I'll give it a bash
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 7, 2010 01:25PM)
So did you try calling? What's going on?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 7, 2010 05:49PM)
The good folks at pay pal have added the issue to there work flow and they will keep me posted
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Aug 8, 2010 12:45AM)
http://www.theory11.com/tricks/smoke-alan-rorrison.php

This. Looks. AWESOME.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 8, 2010 12:47AM)
Once I get my refund I will order it from there. Well...so much for it being limited
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 8, 2010 01:12AM)
First refund.......then MAYBE reorder! I still have a sour taste in my mouth after being told that something was shipped to me and never came! This would mark the first time EVER anything was shipped to me and never made it to my door! I don't like being lied to!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2010 01:14AM)
A good lesson learned for me. I wish I had waited as I would have preffered to get it from Theory11 for the DVD and without all the ordering drama.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Aug 8, 2010 01:15AM)
http://www.theory11.com/tricks/smoke-alan-rorrison.php
Message: Posted by: nikola paris (Aug 8, 2010 03:09AM)
This looks like a bad Joke...

I am very sorry to say that Mr Rorrison but you are absolutely not serious...

I followed all the instructions, no news anyway, no mail, no refound... It is not fair at all, and I seriously doubt about your honesty with all this.
And when you answered mails, it looks like a very quick one, without any consideration...

How I feel ? (and I am pretty sure I am not the only one) You are kidding about us, those who trusted in you and your product... To apologize is one thing, to repear mistakes is another thing... And you didn't do it at all.

Now I just want you to refound my money and that's all. Here is my Email Adress : contactnikola@aol.com

Please change my opinion beeing serious...

Regards,

Nikola Pelletier
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 8, 2010 03:18AM)
Hi Alan,

created an account just to get some feedback.

ive been waiting for about a month as well, still no mail.

I was wondering if I too could get a refund (Nadzri.Harif@gmail.com). and I'll probably just order it off Theory 11 or something.

Does anyone know what the differences are with the first version, and that recently released on Theory 11?

Hope to get some feedback soon.

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 8, 2010 03:34AM)
The theory11 is the v2. an updated unit etc....

Im on pay pals case again about the refunds. I am not canceling them and the money is there for it. They have stated that they are looking into it now for me and I will let you all know what is going on with pay pal as soon as I do..

Alan
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 8, 2010 03:53AM)
Ok I'm just off the phone to them. They are still at a loss to what is going on but state that they are working there hardest to get it sorted out.

If I can think of another solution in the mean time I will let you know and I will harass them again when I wake up. IN the mean time I have just finished a 12 hour shift to arrive home with a shed load of emails about old shmoke and new smoke.

I am only human and do need to sleep. I have done everything in my power up untill not to get it resolved and I will do so when I wake again and before I go to work.

Night
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 8, 2010 03:53AM)
Yeah, this just went from bad to worse. Oh well, I hope they still do sell a ton through theory11 though. So how long do you expect paypal debacle to go on for? Please don't leave us in the dark anymore. It's been 3 MONTHS since you've accepted my money. I have nothing for it.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 8, 2010 04:02AM)
Just before I go to bed this is what ive just sent to pay pal.

"I have tried to refund a few people who have not recieved an item due to mailing issues. There is enough funds in my bank to do so but your compnay cancled the refunds.

I contacted my bank who state that no one has tried to withdraw funds from your company. can you please explain what you are doing as I have some very angry customers now. This is my 5th email on the matter and all I get is an automated response telling me it can take up to 72 hours to get back to me.

I have also called but your representatives keep telling me that the issue needs to wait int he work que like everyone else.

I need some assistance here as this is become a big issue for me and my customers"

Its getting to me too man. You do not know how stressed I am over this. I know a few of you would liek to think I'm sitting about doing nothing here but I can assure you I am not. that's a phone call AND a new email sent to them with int he space of 20 mintues and ill do it all over again in the evening


Alan
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 8, 2010 07:10AM)
You know you could ask theory11 to send all of us that got screwed over a copy of this new version. That would be nice seeing as we gave you our money and waited months for something that never arrived. And we never recieved the replacement shipments, or as you called it the "free gift", you said we'd recieve when you told us you'd "refund" our money. That certainly would be a nice/professional thing to do. And at least we know that when theory11 says it has "shipped" something to us, we know we'll recieve it.
Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Aug 8, 2010 09:52AM)
The effect sounds fabulous! I also own the Finn john gimmick also and this served me well for many years. I no longer smoke now and hate the smell let alone the taste of ciggys! This tool sounds like it will be useful. The added onus is that it could be done indoors without stinking the place out.

A Positive review or re review from the satisfied customers out there would look great. The place could do with a bit of airing out. Anyone
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Aug 8, 2010 10:50AM)
I have had the effect for a while now and I use it all the time. First off, the gimmick lasts forever. I havent had to use any of the refills yet and I use shmoke practically every day. There's a lot of applications for it. Alan doesn't give you too many but enough to get you started. The rest is really up to your imagination. Sometimes I use it in conjunction with a coin vanish, sometimes I use it just to produce smoke from my mouth and freak out my friends. It's a really cool utility tool to own. The gimmick is well concealed and no one would ever question you when you are doing the "load". I really think this was worth the money and it's unfortunate that this situation everyone is in now has arose. I do urge anyone else who is not phased by this thread, go and try the new Shmoke from theory11. Im sure it's even better than this one and that's actually saying a lot.
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Aug 8, 2010 01:03PM)
Just some quick thoughts about PayPal. It might be possible that due to "security reasons", they decided to cancel/delay the refunds. I had an issue in my early PayPal times when several options have been NOT available when transfering money. Asking about the reasons I was told that there are several security checks responsible for that and maybe loads of refunds within a small period of time look suspicious to PayPal, but I don't know for real.

For the rest there is nothing more that needs to be said, I guess. Like some other guys here I am still waiting for the initial sent item and replacement #1 and #2 like I was told. Ok, I'm not :) - but I have my refund. I guess I was the first one with the refund and for me it took about 7 days at PayPal, dunno why PayPal has made this refund pending.

I am a little confused about the timeline of v1 and v2!?!? Is it like v2 was already finished when v1 was still being sold (... waiting for parts for the replacements from singapore ...)? I'm just wondering with which parts the v2s have been assembled and I think recording and authoring of a DVD will take some time as well. Just cannot sort the pieces for myself.

Let's see how things go with v2 - I ordered mine at T11 as I really like the idea and the effect. Replacing the business part from Alan with T11 I really think it might work this time ;)

BTW for me v2 wouldn't be much more expensive as v1 with standard shipping option, but I like certified mail (did I already mention that somewhere? *lol). So I've chosen the little more expensive option. Additionally there is this additional DVD and therefore I think v2 is almost the same price as v1 was or better said "would have been".

regards
- Ralph
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 8, 2010 01:11PM)
I went ahead and purchased it at theory11
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2010 02:09PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-08 14:03, Ralph_45145 wrote:
I am a little confused about the timeline of v1 and v2!?!? Is it like v2 was already finished when v1 was still being sold (... waiting for parts for the replacements from singapore ...)? I'm just wondering with which parts the v2s have been assembled and I think recording and authoring of a DVD will take some time as well. Just cannot sort the pieces for myself.
[/quote]


V2 came out rather quick, didn't it? I think we were sold a bill of goods by Alan a friend of his. Oh, well.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Aug 8, 2010 03:47PM)
Poor Alan probably feel the way his pic looks now. Stick in there Alan. Don't give up putting out great magic!
Message: Posted by: Ralph_45145 (Aug 9, 2010 02:33AM)
[quote]
V2 came out rather quick, didn't it?
[/quote]

That's what makes me wondering. First I thought v2 would be the result of all that trouble that v1 caused in the last weeks, but now as it is available really short (about three weeks) after being announced by Alan there is a completely different picture in my mind.

I'm with Alan when it comes to taking chances when they pop up, so I don't blame him for that. He's sharing his magic ideas with us for a living, keep that in mind please.

The only thing I really dislike is/was the way he has been handling that issue with v1. Slow response times, few to none information and evading to answer some "spicy" questions, all that put a dark cloud above that. It all was a matter of Alan's "communication policy" - not his ideas or items, which are still great IMHO.

I think we all (including Alan) learned out lessons, didn't we? I'm pretty sure that you will get your refund as the BPO is not involved here ;)

I'm looking forward to receiving my v2 this week, I'll let you know.
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 9, 2010 10:55AM)
Hi Alan,

I tried to PM you but it appears your box is full.
I emailed you instead - can you please confirm you received.

Cheers,

Lee
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 9, 2010 02:02PM)
Forget about all the V1 / V2 drama...

Alan, any update on our cancelled refunds?

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 10, 2010 02:35AM)
Yeah mate I'm on hold to pay pal just now Im basicly calling them as soon as I get off shift and just before I go on shift. actuly real tired of there automated system now, there still trying to give me the" we need to wait untill your ticket comes up in our que" but its really unacceptable so ive asked to talk to the reps manager to see if I cant get things sped up a little.

This rep seems a little more approachable at least.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 10, 2010 09:14AM)
Looks like Alan made the deal to mass market this and then came on The Cafť to sell the prototypes he had leftover before it got released. It would have been classy to tell us this, but he didn't want to hurt his personal sales. Being deceitful, the chickens came home to roost for him.

Brilliant prop, just disingenuous marketing of it.
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Aug 10, 2010 11:09AM)
Review King, enough with your empty accusations. Alan had no idea there would even be an offer to mass produce this with Theory 11 when he was releasing/planning on releasing this product. The opportunity came AFTER. Theory11 saw this product and offered to buy the rights because they have the fundage to buy and make the gimmicks in bulk. Do you just look for something to cause conflict over? Stop being rude and stop spreading rumors that can hurt other people. Have some respect. Like my mother says, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Maybe you should start living by that. But then of course you wouldnt have your 14140 post count now would you? Alan is a great guy and a great magician and just because something really unfortunate happened to him, you don't need to gang up on him and make up false reasons as to why this is happening other than to what he said. He's doing everything that he can to make this right and he told me he can't even enjoy his own first big release at T11 because of what's going on here. It's not fair of you to say what you are saying about him and I think everyone would really appreciated it if you stopped and contributed when you have something constructive to share rather than something that will only dig someone deeper into a hole they are already in.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 10, 2010 11:26AM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-10 12:09, Nico Zottos wrote:
Like my mother says, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
[/quote]

Funny how you don't follow your Mother's advice, but you want others to.

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 10, 2010 12:39PM)
Ignoring the extraneous BS...

Alan, thanks for updating me and everyone else who is hanging waiting on that refund. I know dealing with this sux for you, holding on the phone, getting switched around from person to person AND going to your "day job" as well! I'm confident that you are doing everything you can to get this resolved and I want to thank you for that.

Hank
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 10, 2010 01:23PM)
A nice way to solve this
Whoever wants can participate.
The guys who didn't get refund gets a special "code"/"discount code" or "whatever called" to spent at theory11 for v2 of shmoke. In that way nobody looses except for people like us who have to pay a huge shipping fees.
As long as I am assured to receive the Shmoke V2, I am on for this game
IF not...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 10, 2010 01:29PM)
That would be nice
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 10, 2010 01:40PM)
That would work if I did not already order Smoke V.2 from Theory 11. Seeing as how that would not benefit me I want my money refunded.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 10, 2010 02:11PM)
SO I had a chat with Alan and it seems he's working really hard to get stuff done. He's juggling a full time job etc, along with trying to work out these problems. He's not doing nothing about it so sit tight.

It's really not hard to reach Alan. His full details are on the bottom of his site, his tele is even there..
I've even been able to reach him on facebook. Sit tight guys :D
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 10, 2010 03:41PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-10 15:11, Blindside785 wrote:
SO I had a chat with Alan and it seems he's working really hard to get stuff done. He's juggling a full time job etc, along with trying to work out these problems. He's not doing nothing about it so sit tight.

It's really not hard to reach Alan. His full details are on the bottom of his site, his tele is even there..
I've even been able to reach him on facebook. Sit tight guys :D
[/quote]

You don't feel the poeple on this forum didn't 'sit tight' already? How about you give out the refunds and let Alan pay you when he can? That way you can 'sit tight' for however long it takes?
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 10, 2010 05:09PM)
Nico maybe you should keep quiet also, because you also don't know what you're talking about. I agree that Reviewking shouldn't be making accusation, and acting like it's fact, when he doesn't have any actual evidence. Although I have to say, I think it's awfully suspicious that Theory11 was able to suddenly get this product out on the market so incredibly quickly. Considering the fact they had to redesign the product, then go out and find a brand new manufacturer and supplier to custom produce these new gimmicks up to their standards. And they also had to go through the process of planning, shooting, and editting a new instructional DVD for the product. I suppose it's possible that they were able to accomplish all this within such an incredibly short time frame, but it does seem a little suspicious. But without any real evidence I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

"...just because something really unfortunate happened to him, you don't need to gang up on him"

First of all, a lot of what's happened is Alan's OWN FAULT. Secondly, it's ridiculous that you accuse us of gangining up on him. Look at all the people that have been screwed over, it's been months now and at the very least we just want our money back, but apparently that's not possible right now. What do you expect us to do, just act like nothing's happened? We better not say anything because we don't want it to look like we're ganging up on him.

"...he told me he can't even enjoy his own first big release at T11 because of what's going on here."

Are you flipping kidding me? Do you seriously expect us to feel bad for him? Oh poor Alan, he can't even enjoy his first Theory11 release and all the money he'll be making from it. Like I said, Alan is in this situation because of his own doing, he can try to pass the blame off on to the mail service, paypal, etc, but I'm simply not buying it, this could have been avoided if he would have acted like a responsible/honest person. If you want to feel sorry for someone maybe it should be for all the people who were wronged in this situation (and Alan isn't one of those people).

"It's not fair of you to say what you are saying about him..."

Really? I caught Alan in an outright lie on this forum and I've brought it up several times asking for a response but he keeps ignoring it, presumably because he can't think of another excuse/lie to explain himself. But since you are here to defend Alan maybe you'd like to explain his dishonesty to us. You know I wouldn't be so upset if Alan would do two thing: 1.) Get us our money back quickly (and like I said, it would be nice, considering all we've had to deal with, if he figured out a way to also get us the product we order along with the refund, but at the very least we should get our money back very soon) 2.) He should admit to any and all dishonesty and fully explain the situation and sincerely apologise. If he did this I know I personally wouldn't hold a grudge and I may even order some of his other products someday (just not from him directly).
I doubt the latter(#2) will ever happen, but I'm very hopeful that former (#1) will.

And Blindside, I've been "sitting tight" for months now. I've also had some short communications with Alan and he was quite nice and promised he was working very hard on the situation, but at this point actions speak louder than words. Here's hoping Alan comes through for us very soon.

I really don't like having to say things like this about someone who does seem to be a very nice person. And I end up feeling guilty about calling him dishonest on a public forum, but the fact is I've learned I can't remain quiet about stuff like this. Nico I know you think you're helping Alan but you're really not, you need to let him speak for himself. When you come on here and act like we're all being unreasonable and Alan is an innocent party in this situation, then I have to come on here and say something.
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Aug 10, 2010 05:37PM)
Well, all I can say is wow.

How about we all just step back from this thread for a minute and take a breath. We are starting to throw virtual punches, and things are being said that don't need to be. We are supposed to be magicians HELPING magicians, not magicians slinging mud at magicians. Why don't we let a sleeping dog lie for a few days, and see if the issue gets resolved. I am sure it will. Alan is not just sitting around doing nothing. He ,like a lot of us, works away from his computer so he cant be constantly checking emails or paypal or anything. He has to make living just like us.

So please... in the great words of Bill and Ted: be Awesome to each other. We have enuf bitterness to deal with these days outside of our little 'family' here.


Judah
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Aug 10, 2010 05:49PM)
And, yes, I realize that a few people have their money still tied up in this. I am sorry for that. I have bought things (not from Alan) and never got them too. So I feel your frustration.

Judah
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 10, 2010 06:27PM)
I'm sorry you feel I was being overly harsh Judah. But as far as mud slinging, the harshest thing I said (and the most likely to be considered "mud slinging") is when I said he lied to us and is being dishonest. I totally understand this is a pretty serious claim to make, but I didn't just pull that claim out of nowhere, it's not just based on my own suspicisions. The lie I'm refering to is posted by him right here on this forum for anyone to see. I've brought it up several times, so you can go look for yourself. At first, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I asked him about the two totally conflicting statements he'd made, assuming it was possibly some misunderstanding. But Alan refused to answer when asked directly, and every time I've asked since then he's ignored it. If it were just a misunderstanding don't you think he'd simply answer? Don't you think he'd want to clear things up so people don't think he's being dihonest? It would certainly have been in his best interest. The only reason someone wouldn't want to answer that question is that they were caught in a lie and by ignoring it they are hoping people will simply forget about.

Its sucks that I have to be the jerk in this situation, but I've learned the hard way that I can't just sit quietly in situations like this. I've been taken advantage of too many times because I wanted to give everyone the benefit of the doubt about absolutely everything, and I wanted to be nice and have everyone like me.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 10, 2010 06:29PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-10 16:41, Review King wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-08-10 15:11, Blindside785 wrote:
SO I had a chat with Alan and it seems he's working really hard to get stuff done. He's juggling a full time job etc, along with trying to work out these problems. He's not doing nothing about it so sit tight.

It's really not hard to reach Alan. His full details are on the bottom of his site, his tele is even there..
I've even been able to reach him on facebook. Sit tight guys :D
[/quote]

You don't feel the poeple on this forum didn't 'sit tight' already? How about you give out the refunds and let Alan pay you when he can? That way you can 'sit tight' for however long it takes?
[/quote]LOL do you not know I am one of the people that pre ordered and did not receive?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 10, 2010 06:29PM)
Ok take the rest of the post with a DAD voice!

" Bundle of stix.. ive not been dishonest or ripped any one off. ive been working hard to get this resolved and finaly its just about there... check your mail as I beleive you got your wish. Im sure ull fogive me once you read and recieve and give me a big hug.... I look forward to it infact lol..

Nico.. cheers man yoru a good support. As are you Judah. Also a big shout to blindside who I cought on facebook before and clued up on the situation.. emails haave been sent to all affected and I'm SURE YOU WILL ME MOOOOORE THAN HAPPY with the result."

Now lets get back to nice and civil convos folks lol.. and yes I feel liek a nice weight has been lifted.. thank you to every single person at theory 11 for the support
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 10, 2010 06:43PM)
=( Alan. I already ordered the new one from Theory 11 yesterday! I don't need 2. Should I just call Theory 11 and maybe get a refund from them?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 10, 2010 06:44PM)
Pmed you mate. and cheers
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Aug 10, 2010 06:45PM)
Hiya Bundleofstix,

Guilty concience brudda? (LOL!) I wasnt directing that post to any one person. The tone of the THREAD was getting harsh. I was just saying THINGS were being said. Everyone is entitled to speak their mind, but I felt this had been beaten into the ground and we were starting to dig. Wasnt poking at you at all, and I am sorry I made you feel that I was. Which I can understand as my post was right after yours.

be nice to mice,

Judah
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 10, 2010 06:47PM)
I just recieved Alan's email and it does seem he's worked out a way to resolve the situation in a way that should make everyone happy. I want to thank you for doing this, it's definately the most professional thing you could do at this point and I really do appreciate it. In fact I am willing give you an apology, I'm sorry that some of the things I said may not have been warranted. I hope you understand the reason I was upset(I think when I found out I wasn't going to have my refund money in time for the convention I'm going to next week it tipped me over the edge a bit) and assuming this all works out I will do my best to not hold any sort of grudge or hard feelings. I think you are a very creative thinker and I had been interested in your other products(I like the looks of the card link and the card cutting into your arm from your DVDs) so maybe in the future I will purchase some of your other products. I wish you well.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 10, 2010 06:48PM)
Ok folks the solution is there to all who need it.. lets get back to the effect.

Jeez you would think I sat around n done nothing during all of this lol.. worked my wee behind off...
Alan
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 10, 2010 06:54PM)
And bundle.. mate don't worry about it lol.. Im a product artist. not a prophet artist. Enjoy the effect mate. trust me itll be worth the hastle
Message: Posted by: Matze (Aug 11, 2010 01:16PM)
I just bought one form T11..can't wait to get it.
Message: Posted by: baggins321 (Aug 11, 2010 01:45PM)
Are re fills needed? If so, how many uses does each gimmick have?
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 11, 2010 02:40PM)
From the advertisement it says it comes with enough to perform 1000 times. Refills are available!
Message: Posted by: Chris Oberle (Aug 11, 2010 04:26PM)
Well on a lighter note I just received my Shmoke from Theory11. I am impressed with the gimmick although I am not too big of a fan of the routines. Dan White is a very creative mind and his routines are clever but just not for me. It may be for you but I would be using this I will just have to come up with my own routines.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Aug 11, 2010 04:40PM)
Well I do like the prop I got from Alan. Now I see this and wonder should I get this V2 from Theory 11? Snazzy dvd plus improved gimmick seems rather quick. But nevertheless who can tell me if this is worth upgrading too. Still wish the limited run was up held but moving forward do I get this or not? Theory 11? Anyone who has both units? Help. My ocd to have the best version is killing me.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 12, 2010 01:13AM)
Hey Alan,

I just sent you an email.

hope to hear from you soon.

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: bghost (Aug 12, 2010 01:04PM)
Got it from T11 today.
I am having fun with it.
Thumb up for Alan very well made gimmick and clever idea.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 12, 2010 02:14PM)
Got mine today, this is awesome
Message: Posted by: Magic Roman (Aug 12, 2010 04:20PM)
Ok,Ok Everybody,
Aside from all the issues associated with shipping when this apparently awesome effect came out, can ANYONE please give a thorough review. Iím a corporate, and restaurant walk-around magician and I have many questions.
Iíve seen the demo with a card appearing from the mouth with smoke, and I like what I see. I perform an effect where the spectatorís signed card ends up in my mouth.
Whatís the load set up like?
How is the reset?
Can I easily go from table to table with an easy set up?
Can I talk with the gimmick in my mouth?
Does the effect make my breath smell bad?
Will the effect stain my teeth?
I read somewhere that the effect tastes or smells like caramel candy, is this correct?
Can I adjust how much smoke comes out at once?
What is the portability of the effect? For example, can I carry several loads in my pocket? Do I need something like an ice chest close by or something like that. (Please understand Iím not looking for exposure here. Iím a real working professional, so Iím just looking for answers.)
It seems I read somewhere that someone had some breakage issues. Itís understood that most all gimmicks get broken sometimes, but is this gimmick delicate. Iíve purchased effects that where too delicate to be used in real world performances.

Much thanks folksÖ
Magically
Magic Roman
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 12, 2010 04:25PM)
Ok,Ok Everybody,
Aside from all the issues associated with shipping when this apparently awesome effect came out, can ANYONE please give a thorough review. Iím a corporate, and restaurant walk-around magician and I have many questions.
Iíve seen the demo with a card appearing from the mouth with smoke, and I like what I see. I perform an effect where the spectatorís signed card ends up in my mouth.
The card ending up in your mouth is card to mouth that is not shown in the dvd. That just shows how you can up with ideas using your own imagination with smoke.
Whatís the load set up like? Setup takes a minute, there is a setup that you have to do at home, you just wait till it's setup if that makes sense. But after that there is nothing else
How is the reset? There really is no reset
Can I easily go from table to table with an easy set up? Yes
Can I talk with the gimmick in my mouth? There is no gimmick in your mouth
Does the effect make my breath smell bad? Nope
Will the effect stain my teeth? Nope
I read somewhere that the effect tastes or smells like caramel candy, is this correct? Ehhh not really, doesn't give that much of a smell.
Can I adjust how much smoke comes out at once? Umm, yeah. Think if you smoke...if you inhale the smoke less smoke comes out..if you hold in your mouth...it all stays there and you can blow PLUMES OUT. I watched myself in the mirror..looks cool
What is the portability of the effect? For example, can I carry several loads in my pocket? Do I need something like an ice chest close by or something like that. (Please understand Iím not looking for exposure here. Iím a real working professional, so Iím just looking for answers.) You carry it in your pocket, no ice chest
It seems I read somewhere that someone had some breakage issues. Itís understood that most all gimmicks get broken sometimes, but is this gimmick delicate. Iíve purchased effects that where too delicate to be used in real world performances.
I wouldn't say it's delicate. I would be careful with it but it's portable and cased in so you can run with it, keep it in your pocket among other things. Remember this is version 2 that nobody has had. It is well built, easy to carry in your pocket. I'm taking mine with me to the Scott Pilgrim premiere

Honestly I think if you do walkaround this will be perfect.
Message: Posted by: Magic Roman (Aug 12, 2010 04:31PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-12 17:25, Blindside785 wrote:
Ok,Ok Everybody,
Aside from all the issues associated with shipping when this apparently awesome effect came out, can ANYONE please give a thorough review. Iím a corporate, and restaurant walk-around magician and I have many questions.
Iíve seen the demo with a card appearing from the mouth with smoke, and I like what I see. I perform an effect where the spectatorís signed card ends up in my mouth.
The card ending up in your mouth is card to mouth that is not shown in the dvd. That just shows how you can up with ideas using your own imagination with smoke.
Whatís the load set up like? Setup takes a minute, there is a setup that you have to do at home, you just wait till it's setup if that makes sense. But after that there is nothing else
How is the reset? There really is no reset
Can I easily go from table to table with an easy set up? Yes
Can I talk with the gimmick in my mouth? There is no gimmick in your mouth
Does the effect make my breath smell bad? Nope
Will the effect stain my teeth? Nope
I read somewhere that the effect tastes or smells like caramel candy, is this correct? Ehhh not really, doesn't give that much of a smell.
Can I adjust how much smoke comes out at once? Umm, yeah. Think if you smoke...if you inhale the smoke less smoke comes out..if you hold in your mouth...it all stays there and you can blow PLUMES OUT. I watched myself in the mirror..looks cool
What is the portability of the effect? For example, can I carry several loads in my pocket? Do I need something like an ice chest close by or something like that. (Please understand Iím not looking for exposure here. Iím a real working professional, so Iím just looking for answers.) You carry it in your pocket, no ice chest
It seems I read somewhere that someone had some breakage issues. Itís understood that most all gimmicks get broken sometimes, but is this gimmick delicate. Iíve purchased effects that where too delicate to be used in real world performances.
I wouldn't say it's delicate. I would be careful with it but it's portable and cased in so you can run with it, keep it in your pocket among other things. Remember this is version 2 that nobody has had. It is well built, easy to carry in your pocket. I'm taking mine with me to the Scott Pilgrim premiere

Honestly I think if you do walkaround this will be perfect.
[/quote]

Hey Blindside785,
Awesome fast response, many thanks.
Take care...
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 12, 2010 07:39PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-10 19:29, Alan Rorrison wrote:
emails haave been sent to all affected and I'm SURE YOU WILL ME MOOOOORE THAN HAPPY with the result."
[/quote]

Hey Alan (or anyone else that can help out),

I never received an e-mail.

Any chance you could forward one to me, please? I think I (nadzri.harif@gmail.com)might be the only one who didn't receive it :(

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 13, 2010 12:59AM)
I resent yout he email no more than 1 mintue agao the the mail adress provided. check ur spam folder
Message: Posted by: nikola paris (Aug 13, 2010 01:43AM)
3 Emails, 3 posts here... No answer... I understand now... It is just a shame to do such things and to lie instead of really apologize and say that you were not serious and busy because of thť T11 negociations...
For me thť affair is close, I don't want to loose time anymore... You just stole me my money, and I am pretty sure I am not thť only one...
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 13, 2010 02:02AM)
So does any one have any clever ideas for using this gimmick? I think I'm going to use it with the old restored match to matchbook trick, I can't seem to remember the actual name for this trick at the moment, I know it's part of the "Skinner's matches" routine. It's the trick where you take a match book and and pull out a few matches and use one of them to burn up the remaining matches in the match book. You then close the match book and let a spectator hold it. You then vanish the remaining unburnt match(es) and it/they apear reattached inside the burnt book of matches.

In Daniel Garcia's Next Notes he has an effect called No Smoking which is this trick except after he vanishes the match(es) he blows smoke from his mouth toward the match book(which I think adds a lot to the trick). Daniel's method for this trick is good and it doesn't require any extra gimmick, and the way it works the "load" of the smoke happens during the normal process of the routine. So there's no extra moves to hide or justify. But the reason I don't perform it is that the method he uses for creating the smoke (which he later released in a DVD called Warning) causes me to have some pretty serious breathing problems. Also that method doesn't produce very much smoke, whereas the schmoke gimmick can produce quite a lot of smoke. Once I recieve the gimmick I'll need to figure out a way to justify doing the load at the right moment, it won't be as natural as the other method but hopefully I'll be able to justify doing the load in a way that it will just fly by the audience. I think this will be an interesting way to use the gimmick, it will add to the effect and since you're doing a trick with matches it will make sense to produce the smoke. IMHO, Just vanishing a coin and blowing smoke out of your mouth just seems a little random.

If anyone else has any interesting ideas I'd like to hear them.
Message: Posted by: prizna (Aug 13, 2010 02:29AM)
So was version 2 renamed SMOKE?
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 13, 2010 02:34AM)
Yup!
Message: Posted by: prizna (Aug 13, 2010 03:42AM)
Are there any weird or funny moves that needs to be done to get the "smoke" in your mouth?
If answering this is to close to revealing, don't worry.
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 13, 2010 06:00AM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-13 01:59, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I resent yout he email no more than 1 mintue agao the the mail adress provided. check ur spam folder
[/quote]

sorry alan.

checked both junk/spam and inbox. haven't received anything.

can you try emailing my alternate e-mail ad Nadzri_@hotmail.com, please.

thanks and regards,

Nadzri
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 13, 2010 06:58AM)
You are exused. I have stole nothing. I am not looking at ALL my mail accounts and I have nothing from you. As for pms I have nothing also. If you have an issue wuld recommend emailing me at alan@alanrorrison.com for the quickest response. If you want to mail me there with proof of purchase I will sort you out liek I have done everyone else. THE AFFAIR IS now closed

[quote]
On 2010-08-13 02:43, nikola paris wrote:
3 Emails, 3 posts here... No answer... I understand now... It is just a shame to do such things and to lie instead of really apologize and say that you were not serious and busy because of thť T11 negociations...
For me thť affair is close, I don't want to loose time anymore... You just stole me my money, and I am pretty sure I am not thť only one...
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 13, 2010 07:10AM)
Now nikola I have went through the post and found a mail address you posted here. Since you faild to follow simple instructions and fell out of the loop I have taken the liberty of finding it and mailing you what everyone elese has been mailed a few days ago..If you had actuly followed the instructions like the vast majority did you would have the resoluion by now. Also the fact that I'm still here shows I have stole nothing. I am still here working the resolution to make sure all is happy.. If I had vanished I would say that statment may be true. If I was unreachable it also may be true. Keep in mind I'm still here and my PERSONAL number is available on my site which voids both statments. this all indicates I have stole nothing and I am still rolling out the resolution. The affair is now closed

nadzri... check the second address you gave me mate. I just resent it to you as well bud..
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 13, 2010 09:04AM)
Finally got it, Alan.

Thank you so much!

looking forward!

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 13, 2010 04:20PM)
So nobody has any ideas?

I was also thinking of maybe trying out some sort of Voodoo type routine, but I don't have any really clear ideas pinned down yet. I was thinking something along the lines of drawing the outline of a voodoo-doll/body onto a piece of paper, and the using a match or lighter to burn a small hole around the the mouth area of the drawing. At which point you would let the smoke billow out of your mouth, I think if you present it right it could be pretty strong.
This could be preceeded by the "blister trick" where you draw an outline of your hand on a sheet of paper and have the spectator touch a hot match to one of the fingers, at which point a blister forms on the performers finger. And you could then trace the spectators hand onto a piece of paper and perform the ash in palm trick(which can get incredible reactions, unfortunately it's been revealed on TV a few times by Criss Angel and others). And then if you perform the smoke from mouth I think it would make a strong voodoo type routine that ties together well.

Any ideas on how to exand on/improve the smoke from mouth voodoo concept? Or any other interesting ideas for using the gimmick?
Message: Posted by: Bernardo Rodriguez (Aug 13, 2010 07:48PM)
If you see someone smoking then you tell them when my hand goes over your mouth blow the smoke in my hand and it travels from there mouth to your hand through your body out your own mouth lol

just an idea,

Bernardo Rodriguez
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Aug 13, 2010 08:00PM)
Great idea.

still contemplating getting this??

good idea Bernardo.

Alex
Message: Posted by: nikola paris (Aug 13, 2010 09:34PM)
Thank you Mr Rorrison, I finally recevied your mail... Not sure chat you meant about things I had to do before... What I know is I paid to paypal, so you had the adress to send me this mail... You didn't... After all that I sent you 3 differents mails to ask you some news, without any answer... I am sure you can easilly understand I would be a little bit hungry...
Now I will answer your Email and will be completly sure about your honesty as soon as everything you promised will be done.

Best regards
Message: Posted by: shak (Aug 14, 2010 01:45PM)
I received mine today. Very cool. It was worth the wait.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 14, 2010 04:16PM)
I performed this now for EVERY SINGLE family member for practice. I'm on a roll and this is a great utility or even stand alone effect with "Portal" . Worth way more than 50 bucks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 14, 2010 04:54PM)
Small hint. The smoke also looks like the haze that comes off a freezing object. Why not stop being hot and give being cool a chance?
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Aug 14, 2010 05:04PM)
Heres just a little idea that I've been using for the past couple of months with smoke.

"As well as a magician, I'm also a part time actor. I think it's very important that I make you believe that what I'm telling and showing you. That goes the same for acting. Now with the new smoking ban, it means that actors can't smoke in the theatre. So we've had to find new ways to make the audience believe that we are smoking. Some believe that having an item that represents an instrument of smoking is the best way to go. (Pulls out a piece of paper (flash paper) and a pen and lighter. Magician draws a gentleman's pipe on the paper).

"Although, in a large theatre, this proved unsuccessful. (Screw up the paper.) "I thought that the best way was to use my own skills as an actor AND magician. The skills I've developed over the years. Let me try it out on you. See if the power of mime will help you believe, I am smoking an old gentleman's pipe".

(magician takes his right hand, puts his thumb up whilst keeping his fist tight. This represents a gentleman's smoking pipe. he stuffs the small ball of flash paper into his fist telling the audience it is tobacco, takes the lighter and lights the paper. After a small flash of light, he puts his thumb to his mouth and pretends to smoke his hand like a gentleman's pipe. After a moment or two, he opens his mouth and smoke comes billowing out proving his skills as an actor and magician are spot on!"

Chow!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: wpt1031 (Aug 14, 2010 05:46PM)
I was actually thinking the same thing to JamieD. I was wondering how I could use it in film since I to am an actor.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 15, 2010 07:20PM)
Alan I received no email. I purchased the effect, received nothing, and then my refund was canceled. Ive checked my spam folder,, and nothing is there. I didn't receive this email you seemed to have sent others that got screwed??????

kidmagician@thefreesite.com

I would be glad to send you my proof of purchase if you think I'm lying to you
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 16, 2010 02:03AM)
I'll be home this afternoon mate and I'll hit you up. Ps you didn't get screwed lol but yeah I'll check when I get home
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 16, 2010 07:13AM)
Sorry Alan
didn't mean for it to sound the way it did
I hold nothing against you and think it is an incredible effect that will be hiting the magic industry very hard
thanks slot for you dedication to resolve the issues with everyone
it means alot
-eli
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 16, 2010 09:19AM)
Mailed you now eli sorry for the delay
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 16, 2010 02:13PM)
Don't worry about it alan. Thanks again. I cannot wait to get my smoke going.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 17, 2010 12:29AM)
Hey Alan out of curiosity, did the units already ship?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 17, 2010 09:41AM)
Just wAting in them getting to me from theory11 mate. Should be here with in the next day or so
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 18, 2010 10:50AM)
Theory 11 is sold old of smoke,, I hope the ones you are giving us alan were already shipped before they ran out lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 18, 2010 01:11PM)
Yeah they were already shipped to me before the sold out mate.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 18, 2010 04:39PM)
Fwew. that's good lol

O by chance alan, do you know when they should be arriving to you?
And what mail service are you going to use to ship them to us?
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Aug 18, 2010 04:41PM)
So you ll be shipping them through DHL very soon, right?
I have been so excited to get this and now my excitement is going to be realized very soon...
Message: Posted by: Salby (Aug 18, 2010 06:24PM)
.
What's with all the posts that could be dealt with as PM's???

With 17 pages of this kind of "junk-posts", it is difficult to see the real meat of this thread.

I feel like starting a new thread about this topic.
.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 18, 2010 06:45PM)
This is what the thread is about, getting the units lol Unfortunately
I agree with you, though, that perhaps a new thread should be started just discussing the unit and its applications and not all this mumbo jumbo

ps. The reason I didn't say mine as a pm was because the info I asked for applys to everyone who is still waiting for a unit
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 18, 2010 08:48PM)
Agreed . All who need know are in the loop and can pm me if some one wants to start a new thread it would be grand
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 18, 2010 10:48PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-18 19:24, Salby wrote:
.
What's with all the posts that could be dealt with as PM's???

With 17 pages of this kind of "junk-posts", it is difficult to see the real meat of this thread.

I feel like starting a new thread about this topic.
.
[/quote]

Salby, if you feel that way, about a new thread, here you go:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=376670&forum=109&33
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 20, 2010 12:22PM)
Alan...

Waiting less patiently every day...

did you receive the shipment from T11??!!

You are still DEFINITELY going with DHL to ship to us right?

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 20, 2010 12:38PM)
I already purchased this from Theory 11. I would just like my refund!
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Aug 20, 2010 01:00PM)
Yeah, Im super excited Alan, please keep us in the loop! :)
Did they arrive to you yet?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 20, 2010 01:11PM)
Don't you worry mate ill keep you in the loop. Not year yet but shipping from theory is usualy quickish so I cant see it taking too long. Lou, I beleive I have ur pay pal email on hand so ill sort you out mate
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 20, 2010 01:38PM)
Thanks Alan!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 23, 2010 02:31AM)
Sorting you out now lou. check ur pm box mate. I just want to know what would be the best email to refund ya brother..


Everyone else.. I got a shipment notice form parcel force today. They tried to deliver when I was out so ive re arranged a new delivery date with them which is the 28th.. Not long folks but I just thought it give you a wee update keeping you all in check
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 23, 2010 02:48AM)
Hi Alan. I tried to pm you but your box is full. The paypal email would be aga52280@yahoo.com! Thanks for getting to me bro and I must tell you I am having a great time with Smoke. Genius my friend! Genius!

Lou
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Aug 25, 2010 04:29AM)
Hi Alan,

Any news on the shipments? :)

sorry, just super excited!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 25, 2010 08:23AM)
Two posts up mate
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 25, 2010 02:13PM)
Thanks for the updates Alan!
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Aug 26, 2010 10:21AM)
Hi all, just a quick question both to users and Alan. I would love to use this, but suffer with mild asthma. would me using this potentially cause a problem or harm to my condition?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Aug 26, 2010 04:57PM)
I have asthma and this doesn't cause any harm. Vapor is pretty much just like the oxygen we breathe so you'll be fine PRINCE.

I used this last night at a party bonfire. I don't smoke, I was sitting around the fire and my friends were smoking cigs. I acted like I was pinching the smoke from the end of their cigarettes and I popped the smoke into my mouth very openly and smoke just came out of my mouth. I've been using this for off beat moments as well as the portal presentation and it's been going awesome.
Message: Posted by: jbayme (Aug 27, 2010 10:50PM)
Hey guys,

Just wanted to post a quick update that SMOKE is now back in stock and available for immediate shipment. We've been working VERY hard to bring this back in warehouse as soon as possible! We are sincerely humbled and very appreciative of all of the reviews posted thus far. For those that were waiting for this to arrive back in stock, you can see details at the link below:

http://www.theory11.com/tricks/smoke-alan-rorrison.php

// jonathan.bayme
ceo / theory11
Message: Posted by: synth_infusion (Aug 28, 2010 12:37AM)
It's a great utility, definitely buy it! One of the best purchases this year!

Check out the video for some ideas to use!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnTMFttHfqk
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Aug 28, 2010 01:56PM)
Alan,

PLEASE!!! tell us you took delivery of the units from T11!!! We have really waited way longer than necessary through all of this. You really need to get these packed up and shipped out via DHL to all of us who are waiting as soon as you receive them. I want to thank you for continuing to try to resolve this issue to everyone's satisfaction.

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 29, 2010 02:15AM)
They where due yesterday or tomorow( as today is sunday and deliverys do not happen) they will be here tomorow and then they will be sent right out.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Aug 30, 2010 01:29AM)
I just received mine today. Very clever looking device! I am looking forward to a bit of brainstorming with this thing. I have already seen a few posts on here that can be expanded into great routines!
Perhaps we could start a new brainstorming thread between us for people who have purchased the effect.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 30, 2010 03:48PM)
Still waiting to get sorted out Alan. 10 days after your last message!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 30, 2010 05:34PM)
So did they come today alan???
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Aug 30, 2010 07:31PM)
They did eli and they will be posted asap to keep all you kritters happy lol..

lou let me check what adress I send the refund to mate. I did send it so let me check for typos squire
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Aug 31, 2010 12:43AM)
The address is aga52280@yahoo.com Alan!
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Aug 31, 2010 10:56PM)
So did you send these out today? If not, when exactly will they be shipped?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 1, 2010 02:45AM)
They will all be shipped in ten minutes fellows.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Sep 1, 2010 03:37AM)
Cool! A second unit! I'm going to Vegas for my weeks paid vacation in a month or two....SMOOKE :D
Message: Posted by: toph (Sep 1, 2010 11:19AM)
A neat idea for people who perform this a lot - So as not to tip the method, I came up with the idea to produce the smoke WITHOUT utilizing the gimmick provided with Smoke. ALL you need is a pack of matches. that's it. Just a single pack of matches, and you can STILL perform this effect.

All this is done ala WARNING, by Daniel Garcia. I believe it is no longer in the market and was taken off for some reason.

I don't know if itd be appropriate to share this method since it is no longer being marketed but I believe it is a great way to mix up your performance of Smoke.


If youre not familiar with WARNING, the effect is basically this:

You introduce a pack of matches, extract a single match, strike it, put the matches away, extinguish the lit match, and produce smoke from your mouth.

The very same principle is in various books and included in DG's NEXT Notes.
WARNING just goes over the method and various subtleties better than it printed predecessor.

Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 1, 2010 12:05PM)
Although unlike warning, smoke is a multi use tool,, and at that is completely safe, whereas warning is not. Ive been performing warning for a while, but it is no where as good looking, and like I said not as safe or versatile as this.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Sep 1, 2010 03:01PM)
The reason I bought smoke and didn't use the warning method was because...it's not totally safe. Smoke is 100 percent safe...warning...nada. And it's as versatile as to have the ability to be in play without matches
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Sep 1, 2010 03:40PM)
I loved Warning and used it a lot...until I started getting nose bleeds. Delightful. So I'm looking forward to Smoke .
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Sep 1, 2010 03:44PM)
You will love smoke,kind of saddens me that everyone has it/will have it! how is RFR? haha sorry to get off topic. But I'm doing a group order this month.
Message: Posted by: toph (Sep 1, 2010 05:49PM)
I agree 100% that SMOKE is a lot safer than the method to WARNING. I personally don't use the method in WARNING but just wanted to throw it out there for creativity purposes for people who don't mind using WANRING's method as an alternative to using the SMOKE gimmick, as to not tip the method to a spectator if they happen to be following a strolling magician, etc.

I didn't mean for my post to sound as if WARNING was a better , cleaner, or safer method in performing Portal in Smoke. It was only a suggestion for people who wanted another way to present portal as to not tip the method to repeat specs.

Then again, when WARNING first hit the streets, people claimed it to be completely safe as well; supposedly backed by "physician's", if I recall reading on a thread.

Either way, inhaling anything other than what our bodies were designed to inhale (oxygen) cant possibly be "100% safe". Who knows what these compounds can do in the long run, even if they're "organic".
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 1, 2010 09:25PM)
Alan, when are you going to send us the shipping info and tracking number?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 2, 2010 10:27PM)
ALAN?
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 3, 2010 12:56PM)
Alan,
At this point in this fiasco you should have been all over getting our packages shipped out via DHL as you promised us. Then you should have absolutely provided all of us with the shipping and tracking info, something you can do with DHL. I don't know about anyone else, but I have not seen any shipping confirmation or tracking info yet. Come on man, if you just take care of it and get us all our DHL info we will all leave you the heck alone!!! We are running thin on patience and understanding as I'm sure you can appreciate.

Looking forward to that email with the DHL info,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 3, 2010 03:15PM)
And I still haven't received my refund yet! Alan, you say you sent it! Check for the typo's mate. I've sent you the email addy at least 5 times!
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 3, 2010 10:58PM)
Alan?


Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Sep 4, 2010 12:58AM)
It's just been 2 days. Cut him some slack fellas. But I guess now you've learned your lesson though, almost always order from the dealers.
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 4, 2010 02:41AM)
Hey Doug,

It hasn't been 2 days, it's been 3 months! We paid our money, have been given lots of excuses, waited some more, and then were given more excuses. We finally saw a light at the end of the tunnel when Alan was getting the units from T11 to send out to us. I can only speak for myself, but I finally had some feeling of hope that this would actually get resolved. Alan sent us all emails stating that he was going to ship them out via DHL to avoid any issues with his postal service. Here's my problem at this very moment in time:

1 - He misses the first delivery on the 23rd and scheduled the re-delivery for 5 days later on the 28th.

2 - Posts that he received the units and was shipping them out on the 1st, 3 days after taking delivery of them.

3 - It's now the 3rd and I have not received ANY shipping confirmation and/or tracking information from either Alan or DHL. From some of the above posts, I'm gathering that no one else has either. I've used DHL to ship packages before, when you set up the shipment it's pretty much automatic to have shipping and tracking info sent to the parties you are shipping to. All you have to do is fill in their email info when setting up the shipment.

All along this process I have given Alan the benefit of the doubt and took his excuses at face value. For one reason, I have been aware of Alan and his contributions to the magic community for several years. I have purchased many items from him and through dealers and I'm a fan. The issue I have is his absolute lack of business practice and customer service (I use that term loosely) that borders on disrespect to his customers. Throughout this process, he has continually ignored or chose no to reply to PM's and emails from myself and others. That is what prompted 18 pages of postings to this thread, it's the only place where we would get any semblance of a response from Alan. Now at the 11th hour, when all it would take from Alan to make us all happy is to get us the shipping and tracking info on our packages, and all we get is crickets & tumbleweeds! That tells me he either has not shipped them out yet or he does not have enough business sense and respect for his customers to get it done and communicate his progress with us.

No disrespect to you Doug, but I HAVE cut Alan enough slack to perform the 100ft. rope escape at this point! All of us who have waited through all the BS have every right to be more than done at this point. If the packages are on their way, why not just send us the info and confirm that for us all??!!

Alan, you could do everyone a favor and chime in here any time soon...

Waiting,
Hank

PS - Doug, as for always ordering from dealers, at that point in time Alan was the only one who was making this available, there were no delaers. I have ordered several things from several private individuals and this is the only time I have ever had an issue. For the most part, the creators out there in the magic community have enough business sense and customer service to take care of the people who support them by buying their products.

Sorry if this comes off as "snipey" to you Doug, it's not menat to. At this point...well just stick a fork in me if you know what I mean.
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Sep 4, 2010 01:39PM)
Hey Alan, where are you bud?
Message: Posted by: Rafael The Master Hypnotist (Sep 4, 2010 10:35PM)
Marc Spellman open his Act in Indonesia with Shmoke and Biokinesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR2kORKJD3c


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Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 4, 2010 11:31PM)
7:58- "Feel it Sandra!" LOL
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 5, 2010 02:52AM)
Still no updates? :(

this is getting crazy.
Message: Posted by: Kakuna (Sep 5, 2010 09:39AM)
I think this will be the effect I'll be performing all the time in nightclubs with the stage lights etc, it kinda creates a nice atmosphere IMHO. I'll be getting this.

K
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 5, 2010 06:10PM)
Hello folks. The deliverys where sent as planed on the 28th. Sorry for the late reply but keep in mind folks I have a life offline. You know family, friends and other commitments that take me to places that have slightly limited internet connections etc.

Im just back form stornaway since thursday attending to some brotherly buisnes where as stated the internet and cell conections leave a lot to be desired. I have been traveling all day so ill try and get all the tracking numbers paired up to email adresses and get them out to you asap. It may be a little hard to get me over the next few days due to similar commitments so keep that in mind folks. Real life needs to be delt with too.. Your shmoke should be with you very veyr soon ... enjoy..


Alan
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 5, 2010 06:41PM)
So what's the deal with my situation Alan?
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Sep 5, 2010 10:00PM)
Thanks for the update Alen.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 6, 2010 04:59AM)
Lou I'm on it now mate
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 6, 2010 09:15PM)
Thanks alan for the update, what ype of shipping did you use
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 7, 2010 08:37PM)
If you tell us what type of shipping you used, we can pretty much estimate it ourselves
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 7, 2010 08:47PM)
Crickets & Tumbleweeds...

What a surprise...
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 7, 2010 09:56PM)
Haha
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Sep 8, 2010 02:59AM)
Anyone got there shipment from Alan yet? Still waiting here......
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 8, 2010 10:52AM)
Still waiting foe my refund after being told "on it now". WTF??????????? Alan....come on! According to Theory 11 "thousands of units have been sold". Can I please have my refund!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 8, 2010 11:56AM)
Cricket......................................cricket
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 8, 2010 01:13PM)
Lou,
I think part of the problem is the language difference between the words and phrases we use here in the US and the ones they use across the pond. After doing some research, I think that "I'm on it now mate" loosely translates to "I'm going to the Pub with me mates to have a pint and throw some darts. I'll get to it when I get to it".

Remember Lou, Alan does have a life outside of actually taking care of business. I am so done with all of this...I'm sure you are too.

davidleiper,
I don't think that anyone will chime in here to say they received their package. In fact, I don't think anyone will chime in here to say they received their shipping and tracking info that Alan promised he was going to get out to us "asap" three days ago. I guess "asap" loosely translated means:
A - All You
S - Suckers
A - Are
P - Pretty Much Screwed

The truly sad part to all of this is that at this point, even if it shows up to my doorstep today, I'm so jaded and fed up with this nonsense that I don't even want the thing anymore. I was a fan, now I'm just disappointed and done...
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 8, 2010 02:48PM)
That was a little harsh and a bit un necessary
Im upset as well, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 8, 2010 03:04PM)
Lou ur refund to aga52280@yahoo.co.uk already.

eli, cheers.

Henry, YES you are right I have a life I need to deal with too. Your products are on way .. let me know when they arrive folks because I am getting so tired of all of this
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 8, 2010 03:59PM)
Your tired of this???? Can you imagine how your customers must feel???
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Sep 8, 2010 04:27PM)
Any tracking numbers? Pretty Please?
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 8, 2010 05:50PM)
Elimagic,

Can you really call my post "harsh and unnecessary"? It's definitely sarcastic, as that is my sense of humor. I can see by this thread that you have been waiting as long or longer than I have! I congratulate you on being more patient than I am at this point.

Since this started we have had delays explained away by things like, "I'm waiting on the parts to complete the units", "It's the volcano's fault" and "The post office lost them all".

There was almost a month of BS and finally Alan was so fed-up with dealing with all of us and this that he proclaimed that he was refunding all of us our money via Paypal, even if we actually receive the packages which never arrived. Once again, waiting, waiting, waiting...Now Alan posts that he is waiting on EVERYONE who did not receive their unit to follow his instructions and email him with the proper info. This is because he wants to do all of the refunds at once to cut down on Paypal fees (I've refunded money via Paypal, no fee involved) and so he can make one lump deposit. Finally, I see a refund posted to my Paypal account, only it's pending for 6 days. OK, I'll wait the 6 days. Now the refund is canceled, wait everyone's refund is canceled! Alan posts that he did have sufficient funds and does not know what happened. He tirelessly spends hours on the phone and waiting on emails from Paypal to clear it up and get us all paid.

Funny thing, once again we never received an explanation as to the cancellations and instead were offered an alternative. He would get the units from T11 and send then out, and I quote Alan here, "using DHL so there won't be any worries". Now we sit here waiting again, it's September 8th and he claims he shipped on the 28th of August or the 3rd of September depending on which of his posts you want to go by. We requested shipping and tracking info and were all COMPLETELY IGNORED for a few days. Finally, he tells us he's on it once again and we will get that shortly.

elimagic, can you see where I'm going with all this? Can you also see why I am absolutely NOT apologetic for my sarcastic post above? I'm sorry, but Alan's accuracy and credibility are more than suspect at this point to not only myself, but to many others who are waiting, waiting, waiting...

If this were me, I would have done ANYTHING & EVERYTHING I had to do at this point to satisfy all of the people who paid me hard earned money and were still not taken care of. For me, Alan's posture and lack of follow through are disrespectful to us as customers. If I were Alan, the minute I received the units from T11, I would have had them labeled and shipped out to all of us, via DHL as promised, and I would have had the shipping confirmations and tracking info emailed to all of us right then and there. I think you would agree that most people would have at that point.


Alan,
Telling us that you have a life outside of all of this is bull. We ALL have lives as well. There is one fundamental thing I think you have failed to realize. When you take someone's money for goods and/or services, you have now created a business contract with that person. It is now you obligation to fulfill your side of that contract, they already have by providing you the money. Any issues or problems you find yourself running into are your issues and problems and should not be visited upon the people you contracted with. That's what doing business is all about. In my opinion, you have failed to do so up to this point in time.

One last thing and then I promise you I will refrain from posting and/or commenting on all of this. EVERYONE on this planet has "a life". Those lives are filled with challenges, hard work, issues and problems...THAT'S LIFE. Taking care of your business obligations are not secondary to any of that, they are part of your complicated and intricate life and should be given the priority and attention they warrant.

I'm sorry that this "business venture" has left us all standing here, all of us feeling what we are feeling, including you Alan. I want to thank you for all of your efforts to date, I just feel you have not always been as forthright or treated all of this with the priority you should have. If you were on my end, you might feel the same. As I promised, I'm out of this thread. Alan, if I do ever actually receive the unit, I will email you to let you know.
Message: Posted by: Magikevin (Sep 8, 2010 07:25PM)
For Godsake everyone. How long have you been waiting to receive this friggin thing. I order magic from people and I get it within 2 weeks always if not sooner. If you guys do a little research you'll figure out how this thing works, as I did, and you can order what you need from other, more reliable sources and then just make up your own device.

There problem solved!
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Sep 8, 2010 07:55PM)
Magikevin,

You obviously have not read this whole thread. Go back and read it, then make your comment.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 8, 2010 07:58PM)
I completely agree with Astrocity. Strangely enough I'd intended on coming here to say pretty much exactly what he said. Saying that you "have a life outside of all this" as an excuse is ridiculous. You made the decision to sell a product and you took our money. You are running a business selling magic products. By doing this magic is no longer just your hobby but it's also become your job, so saying you have a life outside of this is not an excuse. Imagine I just randomly stopped going to work for several days, and nobody from work could reach me, and then finally (when it was convenient for me) I showed back up to work. Then when my employers were upset and asked me where I'd been I told them "I have a life outside of this job!" Guess what would happen next.

You need to start taking your business ventures more seriously and start acting a lot more responsible. Considering EVERYTHING that's happened and the MONTHS that we've been waiting, you should be treating this as your top priority. At this point, you just taking care of this stuff whenever it's convenient for you just isn't acceptable(that's why people are getting upset....again).

ALL YOU NEED TO DO is send us all the shipping and tracking info.(like you said you would). That way everyone will know for sure that there package has actually been sent and they will be able to track it and know exactly when it will arrive. That would more or less take care of the situation and you could be done with it all. So why don't you sit down TONIGHT and take care of it! It can't take that long to sort out all the tracking #'s and email them to us. So please just do it.
Thank You
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 8, 2010 08:03PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-08 20:25, Magikevin wrote:
For Godsake everyone. How long have you been waiting to receive this friggin thing. I order magic from people and I get it within 2 weeks always if not sooner. If you guys do a little research you'll figure out how this thing works, as I did, and you can order what you need from other, more reliable sources and then just make up your own device.

There problem solved!
[/quote]

Despite the problems, encouraging ripping off someones creation is not the way to go.

I do hope this all gets straightened out soon.

Mike
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 8, 2010 09:20PM)
Thing is is that I agree with you Astrocity, this has been going on far too long. I even agree that alan is not the best business man.

Thing is is that he has been told all of what you said several times. He gets the message that we arents exactly happy and his flaws in business have been made clear to him. But we do not have to throw it in his face. Hes a stand up guy and I'm going t say it for him, there are more important things than magic. He is having family problems that need to come first. I understand this, so should you. Im about the least paitient person in the world so believe me I feel your pain. Its been a mess but not all is his fault. THe original problem was the mail. Hes taken a big loss from all of this, let alone all the hours he has put in to fixing it.
Like I said, he knows he messed up, let it be the end of it.

A friend
eli
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 8, 2010 10:37PM)
ALAN. I'VE SENT YOU MY EMAIL MULTIPLE TIMES. I DO NOT LIVE IN THE UK!!! NOT ONCE DID I EVER SEND YOU AN EMAIL STATING MY EMAIL WAS AGA52280@YAHOO.CO.UK! I SAID AGA52280@YAHOO.COM. "DOT COM". NOT "DOT CO DOT UK". IT'S EVEN ON THE THREAD HERE! YOU SENT THE REFUND TO THE WRONG ADDRESS!!! AGA52280@YAHOO.COM IS THE EMAIL.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 8, 2010 10:39PM)
COPY AND PASTE! COPY...AND...PASTE!!!!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 9, 2010 11:04PM)
Alan?
Message: Posted by: Magikevin (Sep 10, 2010 08:28AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-08 21:03, Michael Peterson wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-09-08 20:25, Magikevin wrote:
For Godsake everyone. How long have you been waiting to receive this friggin thing. I order magic from people and I get it within 2 weeks always if not sooner. If you guys do a little research you'll figure out how this thing works, as I did, and you can order what you need from other, more reliable sources and then just make up your own device.

There problem solved!
[/quote]

Despite the problems, encouraging ripping off someones creation is not the way to go.

I do hope this all gets straightened out soon.

Mike
[/quote]

Correction Mike,

I am not telling people to make copies and sell them to others. If these people are frustrated because of being unable to be provided with real, professional help from Alan, then they should just make their own version and be rid of the problem. I do not need to read this whole thread to get the kist of what's happening here. I have read the jist 10 pages and I have read Alan's responses "I'm on it Mate!" BS I mean come on, what does this guy take his customers as? FOOLS!

Let's be realistic here. There is a way to treat people and a way to dismiss them
and I feel sorry for the folks here that have still not received their product and instead get a response that Alan does have a life! Lol Screw your life buddy, you have customers who want their friggin
products you Jerk. Be a real man and give these people the truthful response they deserve and stop with the "I'm on it mate" and "the post office screwed up" BS. I bet you $1000 that if I went and did an investigation into this situation and the postal in question, we would find that it is Alan to blame and no one else. I mean his responses and excuses he has himself provided is proof enough that his mindset is not what it needs to be.

This is a free world and there is nothing to stop a person from using his own creativity to
figure out how to make his own version of an effect someone else made as well. Especially under these circumstances!

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Sep 10, 2010 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-08 16:04, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Your products are on way .. let me know when they arrive folks because I am getting so tired of all of this
[/quote]

Great service after the sale mate.

Guys like Alan ruin it for magicians that sell their personal material online. People will think twice before buying a magic item from the original creator now because they'll be afraid of this predicament. I'm not trying to pick on Alan I'm just posting my views as I've seen many magicians that don't have good business sense. Maybe I'm jaded because I have a business degree but this type of thing is the dog biting the hand that feeds it. The magic industry is a small niche so customer service is more important than in larger segments of commerce.
Message: Posted by: bhayankaran (Sep 10, 2010 02:44PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-10 10:06, Douglas Lippert wrote:

Guys like Alan ruin it for magicians that sell their personal material online. People will think twice before buying a magic item from the original creator now because they'll be afraid of this predicament.
[/quote]

Very true, whether it be Alans mistake or the volcanoes. Exactly my thoughts
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Sep 10, 2010 03:03PM)
Throwing personal insults at people on a public forum isn't going to help the situation. As far as buying from original creators, well, a long line of good magicians/bad business skills is available. Try Cassidy, Jermay, Delaure to name a recent few. Rorrison is young inexperienced and not ready for the success this product achieved, which I'd say caught him off guard when it came to production. There seems to be only a handful that have a direct problem as many others are happy with the product, probably because a company better placed and experienced to deal with the public has taken over the reins. I hope you few get results soon as this type of exposure, anger and insults on public forums is as damageing to magic as poor customer service.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 10, 2010 03:30PM)
I think it's funny how Alan said he refunded me my money to the wrong email address. "Lou ur refund to aga52280@yahoo.co.uk already." This isn't even my email. It's aga52280@yahoo.com. I don't even think he sent it considering paypal VERIFIES if that email is a user or not!! I'M NOT STUPID. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!!!!
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Sep 10, 2010 04:02PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-10 16:03, takeachance wrote:
Throwing personal insults at people on a public forum isn't going to help the situation.
[/quote]

I think magicians are too nice. Alan messed up multiple times and states that he is tired of getting messages from unhappy customers. Now that's funny!

He deserves all the constructive negative comments.

My 2 cents.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 10, 2010 06:42PM)
Alan please give us the tracking numbers. You could at least tell us the service you used
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Sep 11, 2010 10:17AM)
Tracking numbers Alan?
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 11, 2010 11:50PM)
Alan, Why haven't you given us the tracking numbers like you said you would(honestly, how hard is it to sit down and email us the info.)? This whole routine of yours is getting so old. I want PROOF that you've actually sent the item, or I want a refund NOW! Considering everything we've had to put up with I think you should be sending us the effect and issuing us a refund, but I'll be happy to get either one.

The funny thing is if we'd never ordered this from Alan in the first place, we could have had this a long time ago(from theory11). But silly me, when he said it was a "limited production" I thought to myself "I better get one now or I won't get another chance."
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 12, 2010 12:25AM)
Still waiting for my refund Alan!!!
Message: Posted by: nikola paris (Sep 12, 2010 05:05AM)
It is now obvious that Mr Rorrison fooled us for last Months...We never will have any refound, nor our products... it is really a shame ! Magic became a business and it should be a thing for adults... And honests people... I lost m'y money and time...

Shame on you !
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 12, 2010 11:21AM)
I doubt it was shipped since other orders I've placed from the UK arrive in about five days
he said he shipped them on the 28 which was almost 3 and a half weeks ago
:/
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 12, 2010 12:29PM)
Eli, that's actually more like two weeks, but that's still a long time. But the problem is his posts contradict themselves(again). They couldn't have been mailed on the 28th like he claimed, because on August 29th he posted "They where due yesterday or tomorow........they will be here tomorow and then they will be sent right out." and then on September 1st he posted "They will all be shipped in ten minutes fellows." So obviously his claim that they were shipped on the 28th was wrong, not to mention he said that when he recieved them they would be "sent right out", which they weren't (unless you consider 2 days later "sent right out"). I'm also wondering if he ever actually shipped them, which is why I want the TRACKING NUMBER!

This makes me wonder why he was the one shipping them to us in the first place. Why did theory11 have to ship them to him in the UK first, only to have him re-ship them to us in the US? Why wouldn't he just give theory11 our addresses and have them ship them to us directly? I certainly trust them more than him.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 12, 2010 12:49PM)
Wups counted wrong
my bad lol

but ya exactly what I was thinking
why would they need to be ship to him then to us
I would have thought it would have been easier for everyone to just give the addresses to theory 11
anyway if some action isn't taken by Alan soon I'm going to boycott all of his products for the future
right now I have been stolen from
and it isn't right
Alan I think your a good guy and didn't intentially do anything on purpose
but you screwed up and need to fix it
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Sep 12, 2010 01:52PM)
Well I know Alan stated in his last post that he would be away for a few days again so I'm patiently waiting for him to chime in here again.

Living in the Uk, I'm more than a little surprised this item has yet to reach me. Even with the lowest class postage it should have arrived over a week ago.

Now I'm a fair person; I'll give Alan the benefit of the doubt and await his response.

Just really keen to get my hands on this effect!
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 12, 2010 02:00PM)
I actually called Theory 11 and left a message about my problem and no one got back to me. Makes you wonder!
Message: Posted by: shak (Sep 12, 2010 02:59PM)
Alan,
Still waiting for the refund. paypal is jelicocrow@sbcglobal.net
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Sep 12, 2010 03:19PM)
I cant see how Theory11 will honour Alan's previous order,unles they don't want this issue to affect future sales of their stock.
good luck though, this is an unpleasant situation.
I thought I was the unlucky one missing out on the limited release, ended up getting it from T11. its not bad value considering, though it could easily end up in the unused draw.I'd just want the cash back if I were you.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 12, 2010 04:37PM)
The good folks at Theory11 have nothing to do with how Alan runs his business.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 12, 2010 05:26PM)
I don't think anyone is criticizing theory 11
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Sep 12, 2010 05:56PM)
T-11 should chime in and say whether or not they sent him those units.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 12, 2010 06:10PM)
They would be appreciated yes theory 11 please do
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 12, 2010 06:35PM)
I'm going to give it a few more days. and then I'll decide whether I've been taken for or not.

this has been an unfortunate event in the community.
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 12, 2010 07:24PM)
Isn't this the norm? consumers order products from magic creators/dealers and guess what they are hustled. No products, nothing.

Yet when they come on here again and advertise their products we bite again.

Take a look at Luke jermay's advertisments here on the magic Cafť. His cronies come here and advertise his next show/lecture. And we all go wild. We forget what he has done to us as consumers.

When will we stop being so gullible!

Think before we purchase.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 12, 2010 07:31PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-12 17:37, Review King wrote:
The good folks at Theory11 have nothing to do with how Alan runs his business.
[/quote]

Let me make myself clear. I am not critizing Theory 11 for anything. But the moment I am told that Theory 11 will be sending my unit to Alan, then yes Chris that get's them involved. Alan could have let them become aware of the situation and THEY could have sent it to me and everyone else that got screwed instead of shipping it to Alan if that's what indeed happened. Why ship it out of the states just to send it back to the states? Why have 2 separate parties pay for shipping when one party could have shipped? As Alan has told us, the postal service SUCKS where he lives. Why depend on that again when he tells us the post office lost ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS. "I'll refund all your money. When the item comes in consider it a gift", he says. I want my money back!!!!!!! NOW!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 12, 2010 08:51PM)
The thing is. He said he would be away and not have access to the computer. But he said early on, I think, that he was using an iphone for a few of his posts. 90 percent of my posts on here are done with my iphone, takes all of 3 seconds to do( gota love my iphone :) ) but even when there is no 3g coverage, it switches to the next strongest network. So wherever he is, he should get at least some coverage. So he should still be able to check this and let us know whats up.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 12, 2010 09:09PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-12 20:31, Lou Cirulli wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-09-12 17:37, Review King wrote:
The good folks at Theory11 have nothing to do with how Alan runs his business.
[/quote]

Let me make myself clear. I am not critizing Theory 11 for anything. But the moment I am told that Theory 11 will be sending my unit to Alan, then yes Chris that get's them involved. Alan could have let them become aware of the situation and THEY could have sent it to me and everyone else that got screwed instead of shipping it to Alan if that's what indeed happened. Why ship it out of the states just to send it back to the states? Why have 2 separate parties pay for shipping when one party could have shipped? As Alan has told us, the postal service SUCKS where he lives. Why depend on that again when he tells us the post office lost ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS. "I'll refund all your money. When the item comes in consider it a gift", he says. I want my money back!!!!!!! NOW!
[/quote]

I'm sure Theory11 is sending Alan 'some units', just not anyone's specific unit as I doubt they want to be invloved with Alan's customers.

This is all on Alan.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 13, 2010 11:09AM)
Howdy folks. Sorry ive missed a few days here. Some Nice choice words going about here and I understand why your stressed. I will resend the tracking numbers to YOUR PAY PAL EMAIL ADRESSES when I get home in the morning, that way you can check where your orders are. Lou. I got your dot com now mate. Ill go start a reversal ont he old refund and get that sorted.

All items have been shipped and will be with you soon folks.

Yeah this is all on me and as you may have notice I am here running around tryign to get it sorted.


Dave I'm sure ur was only going to aberdeen.. correct?

on a side not: slyhand your refund actuly went through ok :Your eCheque payment was deposited into the recipient's account on 11 Aug 2010.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 13, 2010 12:36PM)
I tried to hang around to answer any replies but alas I need to go work. As before stated Ill re do all the trackings in the morning when I get back to where the recipts with all that info on there is. In the mean time. As you get it folks, Chim in and let people know will ya lol

Talk in the morning folks
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 13, 2010 04:02PM)
Ok so...
1. What date did you send out the parcels?
2. Did you send them all out in one go?
3. Who were they by? DHL?
4. I live in the UK. Is it normal for a courier service to take longer than two weeks to deliver inland?
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Sep 13, 2010 06:09PM)
Yes, I know mine went through. I never said it didn't.

I am not complaining.

I figured if T-11 posted that they sent you the units that it might help alleviate peoples fears.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 11:28AM)
Alrighty let me deal with the quick thinks first. Lou you say its aga52280@yahoo.com. Sorry for the mix up. Check the account mate you should have your refund there now squire. Let me know that its there when you get a chance
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 11:33AM)
Shack I was sure that your refund was one the ones that pay pal let me do originaly. don't worry I have checked and I was mistaken... I processed a refund through there bud but pay pal went funny. I made sure at lease one of the attempts worked so please let me know that only one worked etc and let me know you have it too. it was sent to jelicocrow@sbcglobal.net this adress
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 11:39AM)
Now the ones waiting on packages. I cant lie going through and matching up these postcodes and tracking numbers is something I simply don't have time for just now. SO one thing I will do is stick the reciepts in my wallet. If you cant wait the few days untill the packages get there and reeeeealy want ur trackign number pop me an email to arorrison@gmail.com with your post code/ adress. that way I can quickly look it up and send it to you directly while I'm at work.

This saves me being late for work becasue of going through all the adress etc on pay pal n matching them up. And gets it to you DIRECTLY. This ok folks?
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 14, 2010 12:24PM)
Got it Alan! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: shak (Sep 14, 2010 12:31PM)
Thanks Alan. I received the money today.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 12:33PM)
Fianlly lol. that's on short breath of releif done.. Next the rest lol
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 14, 2010 02:23PM)
Still waiting,, I sent you an email alan for the tracking info

Please and thank you :)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 02:48PM)
I replied to you an hour ago mate check ur spam folder
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 02:53PM)
I'll pm you it here too
Mate
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 14, 2010 03:38PM)
Alan you gave me the tracking number, but who is the courier?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 14, 2010 04:25PM)
Thanks alan got it, but the number does no good without the carrier
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 14, 2010 05:21PM)
Any carrier that uses airsafe will work so the dhl or royal mail site should work just fine
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 14, 2010 05:39PM)
According to Royal Mail my parcel was sent today. I wonder why they held onto my parcel for 2 weeks after you gave them it...
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Sep 14, 2010 05:42PM)
Got the tracking details through Alan - Cheers. Look forward to receiving item.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 14, 2010 06:48PM)
Mine says its being processed for shipping, does this mean it actually hasnt shipped yet?
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 15, 2010 05:15AM)
Eli - Yes I think that means it hasn't been shipped. My tracking number said that it was being processed too. It said that it had been posted at Port Glasgow post office yesterday. This is the office a few miles from Alan's house. So, despite him saying that all had been shipped two weeks ago, mine was posted yesterday... Perhaps this is the reason he took so long to get us tracking numbers because there were NO tracking numbers.
There seems to be a huge chasm of difference between 'Alan World' and the Real World. In Alan World, things get done. In the Real World, lies get spun...
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Sep 15, 2010 06:16AM)
Well, I received my Smoke from Alan this morning. Let me tell you all it is definately worth the wait! A very devious gimmick that for me at least is certainly one of the effects of the year so far.

Thanks Alan. I realise this process has been a bit of a nightmare; however never stop creating magic. If future effects are anything like this then the magic community will only benefit.

Cheers

Dave.
Message: Posted by: toph (Sep 15, 2010 10:59AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-15 07:16, davidleiper wrote:
Well, I received my Smoke from Alan this morning. Let me tell you all it is definately worth the wait! A very devious gimmick that for me at least is certainly one of the effects of the year so far.

Thanks Alan. I realise this process has been a bit of a nightmare; however never stop creating magic. If future effects are anything like this then the magic community will only benefit.

Cheers

Dave.
[/quote]

SMOKE truly is an OUTSTANDING effect that I never leave home without along my QB 2. I have empathy for the members who had a bad experience with their order. If/when you do receive SMOKE, you will NOT be disappointed!

I will post in the secret sessions a way to modify not the actual gimmick, but its "housing" so that you can produce a thicker, more VISUAL, puff of smoke which has been serving me very well. Just search "SMOKE gimmick modification".
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 15, 2010 04:56PM)
Got mine.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 16, 2010 02:29PM)
Still waiting

apparently still hasn't shipped yet
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 16, 2010 09:17PM)
Alan please check your email. I would like my tracking number.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 17, 2010 03:12PM)
"We have received your item, posted on 14/09/10 and it is being processed for delivery abroad."

so the packages were not sent out 3 weeks ago as alan stated earlier
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 17, 2010 07:29PM)
Boy, do I feel bad for you guys. :(
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 18, 2010 10:30PM)
ALAN, I WANT MY TRACKING NUMBER! thank you
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 20, 2010 12:45PM)
I'm done...

Alan, I've PM'd and emailed you requesting a refund to my PayPal account. Please just send me the money, no more BS and no more excuses. Don't send me tracking info for a package you have yet to actually post, JUST SEND ME MY MONEY. If by some crazy one-in-a-million chance I actually ever receive this item, I'll gladly send it back to you.

Everyone else,
I apologize, I said I was out of this thread, I just want to make sure that Alan responds to my refund request in a timely manner. In the past, as many of you are well aware, the only way to make sure that Alan responded was to post to this thread.

Thanks,
Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 01:09PM)
It has come to my attention that some of the more vocal ones here are the ones who have there refunds or actually did not update there pay pal addresses. On the later this is something I cant control and you will prob find your packages at your old address. I also had two of you honest folk out there swear me out and demand there product and refund when in actual fact They had there ORIGINAL package lied about it to get a refund then tried to get another sent for free.




Hank Your item will be there with in the next few days. The shipping date was the 28th. As for processing date. I do not know. Your tracking number is ly427375419gb.


If when it arrives you still want a refund then send it on back and I will happily refund you.

All of you have eather had your new shipments already, tracking numbers to see where they are or a refund. I know a few of you have your shipments already and I find it amazing that you just fall silent. All to ready to condemn when anything goes wrong but not ready to even say a " ok its here" when it is..


Bundle I will ask again. what is your post code. pm me it and ill send you ur tracking number.


Now some pretty harsh things have been said on here when all the while I work away like an idiot as a few of you attmpt to rip me off etc. I know a few of you didn't and ill thank you for that but it stops now! Your items are sent they will be there soon. you all have your tracking numbers bar a few who find it easy to try and shout and moan but when I ask for some simple information to get them there correct info the fall silent.

The items are eather there or on way. Done

Lets get back to the effect
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 20, 2010 03:34PM)
Alan is right everyone. If you have received your package please say so. That will put the ones who have yet to receive their package, like me, at ease that it is really on the way. To the ones that tried to get a refund when they already had the product you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Sep 20, 2010 04:29PM)
After 3 months I received my refund 6 days ago. I stated this!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 05:15PM)
I know Lou and I thank you for that
Message: Posted by: Acemagic1 (Sep 20, 2010 06:02PM)
I received my package.... thanks Alan.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 06:05PM)
Cheers man. Ur in Cali right?
Message: Posted by: Acemagic1 (Sep 20, 2010 08:05PM)
Correct! So I'm assuming the rest of the people should be getting theirs soon.

Adrian
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 20, 2010 08:49PM)
Alan, I don't know what you mean you'll ask me again (as if you've asked me multiple times and I just keep ignoring you for days on end, kind of like what you've been doing). I see you just recently sent me a PM asking for my postalcode(which is the one and only time you've contacted me personally asking for my postal code), and the only reason it wasn't reponded to immediately is that it was my birthday and I went to visit my family yesterday and just got home a couple hours ago, so I went one day without checking this forum or my PMs(BTW, this is a reasonable excuse for me because I don't have anyones money, nor did I dissappear and become unreachable for several days on end).

Also I don't know why you need me to send you my postal code, seeing as I emailed it to you exactly like you asked (that's why I left a message here requesting you check your email).

I have responded to your PM and given you my postal code(again) as well as my entire shipping address. Hopefully this will be enough to get you to finally give me my tracking number.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 09:12PM)
Got your post code now mate. I'll pop ur number in ur inbox when I get home in the morning. Bout 5 hours away
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 20, 2010 09:23PM)
Thank you Alan, I look forward to receiving my tracking number. Although, I have to something, I just reread and there was something that irritates me. Specifically this:

"you all have your tracking numbers bar a few who find it easy to try and shout and moan but when I ask for some simple information to get them there correct info the fall silent."

I can't help but feel this is directed at me, and if it is, that's the biggest load of BS I've heard in awhile.

I sent you the info to your email EXACTLY like you asked. And then I waited and waited. Eventually I asked you to check your email so that you could find my info and could send me my tracking number, and what do I get in return?....NOTHING

FINALLY you show up and instead of checking your email and finding the info, you send me a PM requesting I send you my info(as if I hadn't already done so). And when I don't respond fast enough for you...you post this BS, which is really ironic coming from someone who dissappears and becomes unreachable for days and days at a time.

Also, if someone really has knowingly ripped you off(which is a totally dispicable thing to do), and you have proof, why don't you call them out and name names and show your evidence? If they really did knowingly try to rip you off, and you know it for a fact, then they deserve to be called out(and others will know not to do business with them). It's better than making vague accusations and making people guess at who you're talking about (that's how nasty, untrue, rumors get started) and it would also give these people a chance to try and defend themselves (which is only fair when you accuse someone).
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 20, 2010 09:27PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-20 14:09, Alan Rorrison wrote:

Hank Your item will be there with in the next few days. The shipping date was the 28th. As for processing date. I do not know. Your tracking number is ly427375419gb.

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Sep 20, 2010 09:28PM)
Mine arrived today and I've been playing with it for a couple of hours now. Very straight forward and the whole concept is very nice thinking indeed. Something easy and beyond suspicion to carry. The misdirection is a natural, something everyone does in the same situation so raises no red flags when performing. I want to use the portal line for the old disappearing lit cigarette which always gets a great reaction. Very very happy with both the product and the thinking that went into it.
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 20, 2010 09:34PM)
Alan said: "Hank Your item will be there with in the next few days. The shipping date was the 28th. As for processing date. I do not know."


Alan you couldn't possibly have mailed them on the 28th like you claim, because on August 29th you posted "They where due yesterday or tomorow........they will be here tomorow and then they will be sent right out." So, according to you, you didn't even have them in your possesion on the 28th.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 09:40PM)
I'll check the revisit when I get home mate it was around that time. It was more directed at the folks who thought the process date was the inital shipping date. I may be one or 2 days out but no more than that. As stated before, I don't have all the receipts on me tonight as I'm in work.

Two guys have chimed in to say there's has arrived in the states so the rest should be there shortly so you can keep trying to cause an argument or wait for the product. Eather way I'm not biting
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 20, 2010 09:47PM)
Okay.

All I really want is to be done with all of this, I really am getting tired of all this drama(and I'm sure you are as well). Hopefully once I get my tracking number it can put an end to all of this.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 20, 2010 09:48PM)
Ur telling me. Now I need to get back to cleaning old folks bums. I hate my job lol
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 21, 2010 03:10AM)
This has been a problem for every one. let's just hope that it's settled. it looks like people have been receiving their orders.

Alan, as soon as I receive my product here in Melbourne, Australia, I'll let you know via the forums.

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 21, 2010 05:30AM)
Hopefully mine will come within 1 or 2 days. If they shipped to california already it should have already come to me in the north eastern
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 21, 2010 08:58PM)
Lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 22, 2010 07:12AM)
Eli you got urs yet mate it should be there by now surly
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 22, 2010 07:14AM)
Nope not yet :/
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 22, 2010 07:22AM)
What does ur trackign say mate even for them that's too long
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 22, 2010 07:55AM)
Heres what it says

Your item, posted on 14/09/10 with reference LY427375921GB has been passed to the overseas postal service for delivery in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 22, 2010 08:00AM)
Still processing then... ill give em a call n moan cos that really is too long
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 22, 2010 08:20AM)
Ok thanks alan, let me know whats up when you find out.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 22, 2010 08:38AM)
There saying its on way mate...
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 22, 2010 03:13PM)
Ok,, wounder why its taking them this long
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 22, 2010 05:48PM)
Just got it,, works like a charm,, thanks alan, sorry for the hastle
This is fantastic
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 22, 2010 05:53PM)
Hey Alan,

I know you said you'd email our addresses linked to our paypal accounts, but I had a problem receiving mine, any chance you could forward mine to nadzri_@hotmail.com, please?

thanks and regards,

nadz
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 22, 2010 07:32PM)
Scratch that, my package just arrived today!

I have to admit, it's pretty smart.

all that's settled for my side of the story.

Thanks Alan.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 07:11AM)
Thanks for letting me know folks happy you like it
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 07:12AM)
Still waiting on mr morfin to chime in
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 09:50AM)
ALSO. Eli, no need to apologise I just wish all this was sorted sooner but I'm happy you have it and I'm glad you like it.... If any of you guys have an iphone feel free to hit me up for a wee free app you can use with smoke..


Alan
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 23, 2010 10:21AM)
Mr. Morfin hasn't chimed in because I still have not received it!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 10:59AM)
Just ran through n check ur trackign it still states procesing for delivery . last time eli check it stated that and it arrived next day. I cant see it takign to much longer.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Sep 23, 2010 12:27PM)
Alan I would love the app, how do I get it
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 12:54PM)
Eli check ur pms mate. Let me know when you have it all running etc.. would be good to know what you think of the presentation..
Message: Posted by: Astrocity (Sep 23, 2010 07:44PM)
Received it today...saying thanks at this point in this ridiculous farce seems a bit inappropriate. Let's just say, business concluded. I'll withhold any further comments or opinions. This WILL be my last business interaction with or directly involving Mr. Rorrison.


Hank
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 23, 2010 07:53PM)
Ever the charmer. Well I'm happy you have it and I'll thank you for being patient
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 24, 2010 01:19PM)
Mine also has arrived, I found it in my mail box early this morning. I must say I was really quite relieved and happy done with all of this. Only one problem.....it doesn't WORK! : ( And just when I thought I was done with this whole ordeal....

It seems to be a problem with the battery. I've had it plugged in the charger now for 6 hours, and it still doesn't work at all. How long does it take to charge? Even if it's not enough to fully charge it, you would think that 6 hours would charge it enough to at least work. I suppose it could also be a problem with the charger, but the green light turns on when I plug it in, so I really think it's most likely a problem with the battery. I'll leave in the charger longer to see if anything happens, but I'm doubtful. If it doesn't work by the time I get back from work, then I'm assuming it must be defective.

Hopefully Theory11 will be willing to replace it (assuming it really is broken/defective), I really would rather they ship it to me instead having to go through the whole ordeal of having Alan ship it to me and having to wait weeks for it to arrive (the whole time hoping that it actually does arrive). I didn't get it directly from Theory11 (it had to go through Alan first), but it is their product and they should be responsible for quality control issues.

Hopefully I won't have to wait another 4 months to get this resolved.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 24, 2010 01:43PM)
It takes about an hour to charge mate. Just contact the support like normal at theory 11 and they will replace it for you bud..
Message: Posted by: Bundleofstix (Sep 24, 2010 01:56PM)
Okay thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 24, 2010 04:53PM)
Any one else want the iPhone app ?
Message: Posted by: GODSQUAD (Sep 24, 2010 04:58PM)
Sure!
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Sep 24, 2010 05:16PM)
What does the app do?
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Sep 24, 2010 05:23PM)
Yes the iphone app would be great.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 24, 2010 05:40PM)
It's just a different presentation to use with ur gimmick
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Sep 24, 2010 07:04PM)
Alright sounds good. App me up;)

magicmike30
Message: Posted by: Ken Lam (Sep 24, 2010 10:13PM)
It is possible to tell me what the app does (even though that I only own Smoke but I don't have an iphone)? Maybe it can inspire us to come up with other presentation (without an iphone)
Message: Posted by: LankyHobo (Sep 25, 2010 02:05PM)
Yes I would also like the iPhone app please.
Message: Posted by: BHart24 (Sep 25, 2010 04:27PM)
I received my Smoke package a couple of days ago, and have been having fun with it since. Thanks so much for your perseverance with this whole thing Alan, and I hope that you never have to deal with anything like this ever again!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 25, 2010 05:04PM)
Cheers man
Just happy you guys have it
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 25, 2010 06:03PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-23 10:50, Alan Rorrison wrote:
ALSO. Eli, no need to apologise I just wish all this was sorted sooner but I'm happy you have it and I'm glad you like it.... If any of you guys have an iphone feel free to hit me up for a wee free app you can use with smoke..


Alan
[/quote]

yo al,

hit me up with some app love. Nadzri_@hotmail.com

:)
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Sep 25, 2010 06:05PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-24 14:19, Bundleofstix wrote:
Mine also has arrived, I found it in my mail box early this morning. I must say I was really quite relieved and happy done with all of this. Only one problem.....it doesn't WORK! : ( And just when I thought I was done with this whole ordeal....

It seems to be a problem with the battery. I've had it plugged in the charger now for 6 hours, and it still doesn't work at all. How long does it take to charge? Even if it's not enough to fully charge it, you would think that 6 hours would charge it enough to at least work. I suppose it could also be a problem with the charger, but the green light turns on when I plug it in, so I really think it's most likely a problem with the battery. I'll leave in the charger longer to see if anything happens, but I'm doubtful. If it doesn't work by the time I get back from work, then I'm assuming it must be defective.

Hopefully Theory11 will be willing to replace it (assuming it really is broken/defective), I really would rather they ship it to me instead having to go through the whole ordeal of having Alan ship it to me and having to wait weeks for it to arrive (the whole time hoping that it actually does arrive). I didn't get it directly from Theory11 (it had to go through Alan first), but it is their product and they should be responsible for quality control issues.

Hopefully I won't have to wait another 4 months to get this resolved.
[/quote]

Same thing happened to me mate.

I sent a ticket to T11 already about my unit. hopefully they can hook us up.

-Nadz
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 25, 2010 06:10PM)
U got the app love mate
Message: Posted by: Vorezo (Sep 25, 2010 06:23PM)
I got Smoke from T11. Can I have the app too? ric-2-32@hotmail.com

Thanks
Eric
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 25, 2010 06:37PM)
Got ya mate enjoy
Message: Posted by: Vorezo (Sep 25, 2010 08:13PM)
Sweet thanks! Il check it out tomorrow!
Message: Posted by: Acemagic1 (Sep 28, 2010 10:18AM)
Alan, hit me with the app as well! : )

acemagic@sbcglobal.net
Message: Posted by: jprace (Sep 28, 2010 01:07PM)
Will the app be sold? I don't have SMOKE from T11.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Sep 28, 2010 02:21PM)
Hi Alan,

I'd love to get the app as well. elmsley@mac.com

thanks!
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Sep 28, 2010 06:55PM)
How much are the smoke refills? How many do you get?
App me up brother.

mikesmagic@sympatico.ca
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 28, 2010 07:15PM)
Mike check ur pms mate. Contact t11 for refills also. Jeff the app is just a presentation for the smoke gimmick so with out it it'll be useless. Ps the app isn't for
Sale it's free for smoke users
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Sep 28, 2010 07:19PM)
The App is a very simple but very cool presentation for the trick. Been using it for about a month, and still loving it!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Sep 28, 2010 08:37PM)
Thanks Alan looking forward to that private message.
Mike
Message: Posted by: Vincent.Santiago (Sep 28, 2010 09:01PM)
I got Smoke from T11. Can I have the app too? Thanks
Vincent
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Sep 28, 2010 09:02PM)
I just sent you it
Mate . Here I'll do
It again
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Sep 28, 2010 09:39PM)
Thanks Alan I got it. I must say that I love performing Smoke it is very clever and fries them every time.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Ray Thompson (Sep 29, 2010 10:10PM)
I have had so much fun with this. it is just unreal the reaction I have gotten. Pls Alan, do send me that app as well.
Message: Posted by: boinko (Oct 2, 2010 06:02PM)
Please send me app. Just ordered full dvd and gimmick from T11.
Message: Posted by: brainman (Oct 3, 2010 04:16AM)
Still waiting ; )
Message: Posted by: Mike.Hankins (Oct 3, 2010 03:53PM)
Heck I will take the app tooo...

MHMagic77@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: lisheng (Oct 5, 2010 04:56AM)
Apparently, someone else from Singapore got fined for importing this due to public smoking regulations and t11 is refusing to sell me any.
Message: Posted by: Peter Nardi (Oct 5, 2010 05:54AM)
Hi Guys,

Just to let you know Alakazam Magic has a shipment of these coming in to stock shortly

http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-smoke-by-alan-rorrison.html

Regards

Peter Nardi
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Oct 5, 2010 06:45AM)
New app? Sure thing.
slyhand@hotmail.com
Message: Posted by: radraf (Oct 5, 2010 12:13PM)
Hi there

The brand of the "thing" where the gimmick is hidden is not very common in europe (except of UK maybe). So
I managed to hide the gimmick in a more known brand of the "thing" (Im from Switzerland). I thought it might be less suspicious. PM me if you want more details.

Regards
radraf
Message: Posted by: roblane (Oct 5, 2010 12:23PM)
Any chance of a 'droid' version of the smoke app?
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Oct 6, 2010 05:09PM)
Hey Alan, any chance you could sort me out with the app?

davidleiper@doctors.org.uk

Cheers

Dave
Message: Posted by: Nechto (Oct 6, 2010 05:17PM)
Was jamming with Alan at the weekend and Smoke was KILLING people. There are tricks and then there is magic, Smoke is definitely magic!

Love it!

Ben
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Oct 8, 2010 01:14AM)
Alan, would you be so kind as to send me the app as well? My email is Phatmeat@aol.com. Thanks mate, I appreciate it!
Message: Posted by: Martin Adams (Oct 9, 2010 10:18AM)
I just received my Smoke. Can yu send me please the app to martinadamsmagic@gmail.com?

Thanks in advance :)
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Oct 9, 2010 10:29AM)
I have Smoke and have really been getting a lot of use out of it. Love it. Can you send me the app, Alan? I'd really appreciate it. matlavore@gmail.com

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: bghost (Oct 9, 2010 11:35AM)
Hi Alan,
I got smoke from T11.
Can you send me the app, too?
Thank you!
bin721@hotmail.com

Bin
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 9, 2010 03:09PM)
U all have the app I think
Message: Posted by: davidleiper (Oct 9, 2010 03:24PM)
Alan, cheers for sending me the app. As an ex-smoker it's right up my street and gives really good justification for the gimmick too. Great addition to an excellent effect.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 9, 2010 03:25PM)
Cheers mate. I'm working on a wee update
For it. It'll update
Automaticly for any one who has it
Message: Posted by: Mike.Hankins (Oct 9, 2010 06:59PM)
Alan my man...

Didn't get a link for the app sir. Though I have some killer routines I already came up with utilizing Smoke :)
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Oct 10, 2010 12:15AM)
Just got back from Innovention 2010. Alan- could you send me the app please? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: brainman (Oct 10, 2010 02:14AM)
ANOTHER month has passed - when will you send my gimmick?
No answer to my mails...
Or just give me a paypal refund - do not want to wait any longer - now it seems too long for me.
T
________________________________________________________________________________

"Ill drop another in the post int he morning mate. I completely forgot about you sorry. " you wrote the 13.9.2010
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 10, 2010 02:35AM)
Brian. I have just checked EVERY email adress I own and I have not one mail from you. All the tracking numbers have came back as delivered aslo so if your stating that you still do not have yours kindly let me have your pay pal transaction id and ill happily look into it this very second.

Alan
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 10, 2010 02:45AM)
Ill be here and about for the next couple of hours mate so when ever ur ready ill happily look into it.
Message: Posted by: brainman (Oct 11, 2010 08:19AM)
We had many emails exchanged - incl. the final offer after you did cancel the last paypal refund - if not I could not have your answers in my mailbox ; )))
OK just forget about it:
Just paypal me through: hypnobill@brainshifter.com, and everything will dissolve in shmoke and I will stop asking.
Best wishes full of hope,
T
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 11, 2010 10:14AM)
I understand that but I need ur pay pal transaction code to check the delivery etc. all state delivered so id need to chase it up mate
Message: Posted by: shak (Oct 11, 2010 10:19AM)
Alan Can I have the Iphone App.
Thanks.

jelicocrow@sbcglobal.net
Message: Posted by: Vincent.Santiago (Oct 12, 2010 07:34PM)
Alan thank you very much for this smoke trick of yours ,you are a genius !!!!
is the best gimmick Ive ever buy for a long long time ! thank Alan ,GOD BLESS YOU !
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 13, 2010 07:37AM)
Shak did I sent you the app yet mate?
Message: Posted by: shak (Oct 13, 2010 12:23PM)
Not yet.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Oct 14, 2010 11:39AM)
Got mine yesterday from Alakazam UK.......
Love it!!!!
Alan
Any chance of getting the App ?
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Oct 15, 2010 04:01AM)
Hi Alan

Received mine this morning and it was exactly as I was hoping for! Please can you send the app yoyomagic@me.com

Many Thanks

Craig
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Oct 15, 2010 05:15PM)
Received mine from Hocus Pocus yesterday...Brilliant!

Alan, can you please send me the app as well?

lord_of_illuzion@hotmail.com

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Sir Pharaul (Oct 15, 2010 10:59PM)
I would like the app too. neves710@hotmail.com

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Winson18 (Nov 5, 2010 06:32AM)
Hi, Alan, I have purchased Smoke and I would like the app too, thanks.
my email:
winsontsin@yahoo.com.hk
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Nov 5, 2010 03:48PM)
App would be great!. Thanks mate.

aaronsmith@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: jeremyroze (Nov 8, 2012 07:29AM)
Just got my shmoke few days ago!
love it, but is it possible to still get the iphone app for this?
if so please send to:
jeremyroze@gmail.com

thx mate
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Nov 8, 2012 12:00PM)
Wow I don't even have the app any more. Ill sort you out tonight man lol. Need to add it myself
Message: Posted by: jeremyroze (Nov 9, 2012 01:57AM)
Haha thx for taking the effort mate. Very curious about the app.
Message: Posted by: jeremyroze (Nov 10, 2012 03:10AM)
Any info about the app alan?