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Topic: Roger Slywester's Professor Nightmare move... Source?
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Apr 22, 2010 08:08PM)
Greetings,

I would like to find and purchase a source that has Roger Slywester's move published in it?

Could someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: magicians (Apr 22, 2010 09:41PM)
Any video of the move?
I believe its Roger Sylvester
http://www.geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php/Professor%27s_Nightmare

"# A display/stretch was Roger Sylvester's in Hierophant No. 3, march 1970, page 122, The Professor Incubus. "

Man, you know I'm good at this.
-Ian
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Apr 22, 2010 10:12PM)
Actually, it's "Sylwester", and the above reference is correct. I believe one can still find The Hierophant in a series of perfect bond books. This one is in the 2nd book, which contains numbers 3 and 4.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Apr 22, 2010 10:15PM)
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On 2010-04-22 23:12, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Actually, it's "Sylwester", and the above reference is correct. I believe one can still find The Hierophant in a series of perfect bond books. This one is in the 2nd book, which contains numbers 3 and 4.
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I was only able to find it by typing "sylvester", and the Genii Link says Sylvester. Are you saying that he used Sylwester? Which might be a German translation?
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Apr 22, 2010 10:41PM)
It is Sylwester, and Roger is a fellow Lutheran Pastor. We met when we were both in Eugene. Wonderfully nice guy, and a giving heart.

Is this also published in "Three Ropes and a Baby"?

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 23, 2010 01:27AM)
It is detailed in my book "Give a Magician Enough Rope." It is a great display, move... the best.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 24, 2010 04:32PM)
RevJohn
I don't understand the "three ropes and a baby" part of your question, Richard Sanders is not that old.
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Apr 24, 2010 04:47PM)
I don't get it, if it was a joke, as I am in a very long meeting... I had heard the Sanders teaches it in the back of the book, with credit to Roger. But just confirming that.

but here is the link:
http://www.camirandmagic.com/rt_030.html

Thanks Pete... where would I find your book?
Message: Posted by: ggarcia (Apr 24, 2010 11:48PM)
RevJohn,
go here for Mr Biro's books...

http://petebiro.com/
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Apr 25, 2010 12:17AM)
Thanks!

John
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 25, 2010 01:02AM)
Thank YOU, RevJohn.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 25, 2010 11:36AM)
RevJohn
Are you saying that Richard Sanders gives credit to Mr Sylwester as the inspiration for "three ropes and a baby"?
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Apr 25, 2010 10:47PM)
No, I am asking (and this is what I heard, so asking for confirmation)....

In the back of the booklet, "Three Ropes and a Baby," Richard teaches this move, giving credit to Sylwester.

So just asking if someone has it if this is indeed the case.

John
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (May 1, 2010 08:49PM)
Hi RevJohn,

The first publication of this handling was in the Hierophant.

Bruce Cervon used it. James Lewis used it. Pete Biro used it. I used it.

It is a wonderful handling.

Enjoy the search!

Regards,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (May 16, 2010 08:27AM)
Stopped by the Magic Apple in Studio city when I was visiting the castle, and they had a copy of Pete's book for sale.

Great stuff of course!

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (May 16, 2010 11:02AM)
My own off beat method of appearing to trans form three lengths into one, then tossing the length over one sholder to hang as a finale' display appeared in one of my LR parades years ago

Ron Dayton
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Jun 10, 2010 05:40PM)
Finally got around to learning this display from Pete's book.

What a nice move!! It looks so good in Roger's hands.

Thanks for including it here, Pete!

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Jun 12, 2010 09:49PM)
As far as video/DVD resources, it can be found on James Lewis Million Dollar Magic or my In the Trenches DVD.

Respectfully,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 13, 2010 01:56AM)
I talked to James Lewis and he has no plans to make any more of his videos, so go for Paul Green's... tons of great working stuff there.
Message: Posted by: murf (Jun 14, 2010 01:41PM)
Of the three descriptions I've seen, the one on the James Lewis video is by far the best looking and most clearly described. As I remember it, he displays the three ropes hanging very naturally between the hands, with the short rope at the top and the long rope at the bottom. Both the Richard Sanders and the Pete Brio descriptions have the ropes crossed over each over in the display. The description in the "Three Ropes and a Baby" manuscript has a misprint or two, making it difficult to see how to do the stretch. The description in Pete Biro's book has the ropes sort of twisted between the hands (the long rope is on the top in one hand, the bottom in the other). But it's been a long time since I've seen the James Lewis version, and I may not be remembering it exactly right.

Murf
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 15, 2010 12:45AM)
But it works.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 15, 2010 04:22AM)
Get your money out, Dan Harlan has the "Awakening" out that tops them all, so the hype says here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=363550&forum=109&60

A totally new presentation on the "Professors Nitemare" that tops them all, fools even magicians in the "know".
Message: Posted by: murf (Jun 15, 2010 08:06AM)
Pete,

Yes, it works. But I thought it was fascinating how this move has evolved in so many ways --- and for reasons that are, to me at least, so non-obvious. Do you happen to know which of the three descriptions I referenced is closest to Slywester's original work?

Murf
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 15, 2010 04:00PM)
Not knowing the others, I can't tell you.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 15, 2010 04:23PM)
I have the James Lewis video and did not realize there was a rope effect on it, I will have to dig it out and take a look at it. He also published a book, would it be in there? I have my library boxed up, so I was just wondering.
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Aug 20, 2010 10:37AM)
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On 2010-04-22 23:12, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Actually, it's "Sylwester", and the above reference is correct. I believe one can still find The Hierophant in a series of perfect bond books. This one is in the 2nd book, which contains numbers 3 and 4.
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Finally came across these, and was able to pick up the move from Roger's description as well.

Thanks for this reference.

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 20, 2010 12:18PM)
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On 2010-06-15 05:22, wmhegbli wrote:
Get your money out, Dan Harlan has the "Awakening" out that tops them all, so the hype says here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=363550&forum=109&60

A totally new presentation on the "Professors Nitemare" that tops them all, fools even magicians in the "know".
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The Harlan version is nice and discussed in another thread (reviews). But, not unique.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 21, 2010 04:03PM)
Ian
Do you have any idea what they are talking about? I know a lot of rope moves, but all of this vague referencing has no meaning to me. How about a link to a demo, or is just seeing this fabulous move a secret too? Perhaps I can take a look at the Dan Harlan video if someone can give me a hint as to just what I should be looking for. If you feel better discussing this fantastic manuver in secret sessions I am willing to go there too, but there is nothing said in this whole thread that I understand.
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Aug 21, 2010 04:24PM)
Ian,

Roger came up with a very nice move in which to stretch the ropes in the beginning stages of the Prof. Nightmare. You have to the ropes held in the fingers of each hand, and as they come together in a prayer position, the dirty work is done.

When I saw Roger do it, I was floored. I had no clue when it happened. Pages 122-123 in the Hierophant, Vol 3/4

John
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 21, 2010 05:11PM)
That sure sounds like the old Chinese noodle factory PN routine to me, which I have seen several magicians do.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 21, 2010 08:16PM)
Harlan had a link to his lecture piece. You can find it in the review section. Good, bad, garbage".
Jeremy Pei also does the Roger's move.
The dirty work is done long before you stretch.

I do something like it on my DVD, but the "prayer thing" is descriptively correct.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 21, 2010 08:25PM)
Ian
The move that I am talking about is, you show three different lengths of rope, put your hands together as if you were praying, and as you stretch your hands apartand the three ropes become equal lengths. Is that what this thread is all about?
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 22, 2010 09:30AM)
I have yet to find the actual clip of sylwester.
Message: Posted by: DanHarlan (Aug 23, 2010 02:54PM)
Al--
I can understand your confusion since my routine "The Awakening" does not use the Roger Sylwester move at all. It is a nice move, though! While we're on the subject... Jon Allen has some great moves in his routine "Freddy's Dead." There's another obscure source for all of you! Hmwaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
--Dan Harlan
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 23, 2010 04:33PM)
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On 2010-08-23 15:54, DanHarlan wrote:
Al--
I can understand your confusion since my routine "The Awakening" does not use the Roger Sylwester move at all. It is a nice move, though! While we're on the subject... Jon Allen has some great moves in his routine "Freddy's Dead." There's another obscure source for all of you! Hmwaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
--Dan Harlan
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Wmhegbli dropped your name, Dan, we all know that you do not use the Sylwester move in your effect. Only Al is getting a little slow in his old age.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 23, 2010 05:46PM)
Dan
Thank you for your help.

Ian
Thank you for the compliment.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 23, 2010 06:56PM)
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On 2010-08-23 18:46, Al Angello wrote:
Dan
Thank you for your help.

Ian
Thank you for the compliment.
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Hands in the prayer position.
I am pretty sure the move is the one you talk about.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 23, 2010 07:35PM)
Dan
We have so many vague references here another one is not really needed, but thanks.

Is there anyone out there who can come up with a video of this fantastic move?
Message: Posted by: magicians (Aug 24, 2010 05:46AM)
If its the "prayer hands" thing, then Jeremy Pei has it on one of his routines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouWDoFm18uw
At 31 seconds in on the ad.

So, Al, you have my Dances effect, one of the moves I do accomplishes the same mechanics (where I allow the spectator to stretch the ropes). I doubt that Sylwester got to that position exactly in the same manner, but once there, you are left with ends in your right hand and three lengths dangling. You could, at that point, grasp the other end of the dangling ropes, and stretch them while the ropes are between several fingers. (ala prayer handed move).
My only interest in contributing to this thread is that I am not impressed by many other rope effects, and this was very close to my original move. The mechanics are a bit different from mine but to a spectator, the effect is the same.
Basically, you do not pick up all ends into one hand.
On my DVD demo,
http://stagetricks.com/shop/viewitem.php?groupid=0&productid=2
the move is at 54 seconds up to 105 seconds.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 24, 2010 06:38AM)
Ian
Thank you