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Topic: Street Hypnosis
Message: Posted by: insight (May 9, 2010 05:55PM)
Hello,

I was wondering if any of you do street hypnosis FOR FREE to get clients. I saw a gentleman on the street who was either doing real or pseudo hypnosis (it could have been a magic trick), and he was giving out business cards to folks and charging $500 if they wanted to learn how to hypnotize. Does this seem strange?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 9, 2010 06:37PM)
I once saw a hooker stare into a punters eyes late one night on a street corner.

>>>>and he was giving out business cards to folks and charging $500 if they wanted to learn how to hypnotize. Does this seem strange?<<<

Not really just another desparate prostitute... that's where they hang out you know....on the streets. At least the grubbiest ones do.
Message: Posted by: insight (May 9, 2010 07:14PM)
Yeah, I thought it was strange too. But he seemed like a decent man, not someone you describe.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (May 9, 2010 07:49PM)
Oh boy...

Here we go again. :P
Message: Posted by: insight (May 9, 2010 07:54PM)
"Here we go again"

Has this topic already been discussed? I did a SEARCH and found nothing.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 9, 2010 11:23PM)
Do you mean will you be able to book stage shows by doing street hypnosis?

My answer would in short form be no.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 10, 2010 04:43AM)
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On 2010-05-09 20:14, insight wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was strange too. But he seemed like a decent man, not someone you describe.

Regards,
Mike
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Decent man hypnotising people on the streets then offering to teach them to do the same for $500? The hooker sounds more decent to me. And more useful.
Message: Posted by: insight (May 10, 2010 11:09AM)
I believe he had a city permit, so he was paying for the right to be a street entertainer.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 10, 2010 11:20AM)
Ok lets be serious here for a moment. This guy IS doing free hypnosis on the streets in order to get "clients". He will most likely never get a proper show from this and most likely isn't good enough. instead he is trying to get suckers to teach.

I say suckers because why would you pay someone from the street? If he was any good he would be making money from performing not pimping the art. If I was going to learn hypnosis I would keep well away from anyone on a pavement handing out cards. (smacks of desparation)I would also be very unhappy if any of my family or friends were hypnotised like this on the street.

Can you imagine if there was a magician or mentalist standing on street corners performing classic effects very well or very badly and offering anyone in the street training to do the effects? Anyone and everyone?

There would be complaints from magicians and mentalists.

Apart from that it just looks silly and pointless. At least to me I just don't get it.
Message: Posted by: bobser (May 10, 2010 02:57PM)
[quote]
On 2010-05-09 18:55, insight wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if any of you do street hypnosis FOR FREE to get clients. I saw a gentleman on the street who was either doing real or pseudo hypnosis (it could have been a magic trick), and he was giving out business cards to folks and charging $500 if they wanted to learn how to hypnotize. Does this seem strange?
Regards,
Mike
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Hi Mike,
It's an interesting question based on an interesting story. It would be great to know more about 'the man' and his results.
Has he done this before?
Does he do this regularly?
How long has he been doing it for?
How many does he normally get per night? For example if he could get even one per night that'd be $2,500 for a 5 day week = $125,000 per year for a part time job is pretty good, no?
Okay so he's probably not but it's good to ask silly questions now and again
To answer your question I'm very happy to do hypnosis anyplace anytime. I completely understan why this would p-ss off a working stage hypnotist but I'm not running around rampantly. I rather do it when asked and normally find that when I do I normally get some kind of 'kick-back' from it.
More importantly, in my experience there is more to learned from impromptu (call it street hypnosis if you wish) hypnosis than any other kind. That's either stage or the therapy room. That's because of exactly what it is. They haven't come to your show or your therapy room. They weren't even thinking about it until it was mentioned so it's a great test of your skills.
In closing I'd have to say it does make my toes curl to see someone doing street hypnosis who lets say: isn't very good. That's probably their trainers fault in many cases......BUT I do find it inspirational to watch a bad hypnotist hypnotise. You'll either get that or you won't.
bobser
Message: Posted by: insight (May 10, 2010 03:19PM)
Hi Bob,

I wish I could provide more info, but I don't know the man. I spoke to him for about 5 minutes, I got his business card...his name is William Johnson. My assumption is that he's been doing this for some time because his act was "smooth". I have no clue in terms of how many clients he books every day, but he said he gets about 25-30 volunteers every day. So, with a 25% conversion ratio, that's about 5-7 people's worth of cash flow on a daily basis. It's a lot of dinero, no?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (May 10, 2010 05:10PM)
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On 2010-05-10 15:57, bobser wrote:in my experience there is more to learned from impromptu (call it street hypnosis if you wish) hypnosis than any other kind.
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I agree. Training in stage hypnosis had an indirect pay off in my therapy work. Learning how to do this on the fly 'impromptu' had a pay off in every other context.

Ant
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 10, 2010 05:42PM)
I never argued that having the ability to do hypnosis on the fly or impromtu had no value it clearly does. But that was around before street hypnosis came along. Perhaps you streamlined it but it was there. The handshake induction has been around longer than you have. And you have learned the stage techniques as you go along. And you don't explain them correctly in the Manchurian approach.

I argued that it looks tacky on the street and it isn't the place for it. I also argue that to encourage dozens and dozens to take to the streets with little or no training other than a brief intro or watching a dvd is irresponsable.

To do so without insurance or a license in public places such as bars is also I llegal in the Uk. I have just had to fill in a license application. But the real problem comes from selling hundreds if not thousands of products to anybody with a few quid. The chances of problems occuring are increased exponentially. This is where the biggest problem lies.

As for bobsers statement "More importantly, in my experience there is more to learned from impromptu (call it street hypnosis if you wish) hypnosis than any other kind. That's either stage or the therapy room. That's because of exactly what it is. They haven't come to your show or your therapy room. They weren't even thinking about it until it was mentioned so it's a great test of your skills."

that's just sily man even for you. For one impromtu hypnosis is a bit of a daft term. Its always been impromtu since you need nothing but a wiling subject. Street hypnosis is what it is standing on a pavement hypnotising passers by. What skills are you testing? So its all about you eh? Therapy room is for therapy for sorting out people. I can tell you now there is more skills and experience to learn there than anywhere. The stage is for entertainment again the amount of skills you need to learn in order to pull it off and fill seats far excede the abilty to get someone to slump forward in a noisy bar.

The streets are for walking in doing your day to day business. It is where you will find the least skilled hypnotists who cannot do either of the above. I have yet to see a video that says otherwise. treet hypnosis seems to be more about the hypnotist getting off on his "powers" than anything else.

I also doubt if your figures stack up for "trainees". If this is the same guy I saw in youtube he was offering to train them on the street too.

I can't see many paying $500. More like $10

So now Hypnosis is being taken to the same level as selling Svengali decks! Nice work.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 10, 2010 06:15PM)
Someone will find a way to sell it in kids xmas magic boxes next.
Message: Posted by: bobser (May 11, 2010 04:51AM)
MP you're coming up with some terriffic motivational ideas here. Anthony and I have just been on the phone and are about to set up: 'Street Sizzle!'. We've agreed bygones should be bygones and would like you on board. We know you have strong principles but we're taking a calculated guess that you're also very probably a greedy b-stard. Please confirm if this is the case before Monday 17th of this month.

bobser.
ps: you'll be wearing a board by the way.
pps: I've bet Any fifty quid that you'll be dumping this highly unethical 'stage stuff' by mid-June.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 11, 2010 08:33AM)
If I were greedy Bobser I would've cashed in on the selling off of stage hypnosis before now. I just have different values. Remember the old days when it was actually a good value to keep a secret in magic etc? Now you want to harass strangers in the street and sell it to anybody that has a few quid in their pocket. With no regards for the law or safety.

You and Ant are welcome to the streets. I will be in and out of stage hypnosis I don't see it longterm. You have to move with the market. And I am not just talking about Ant there are dozens and dozens of products out there that will make sure stage hypnosis never makes it back on a more permanent basis.

But you kids have fun.....it reminds me of the first air pistol my dad bought me as a kid. He took it off me a week later when he caught me firing at neighbours windows at night...

And if you are reffering to someone who sells tickets and fills seats as being greedy then you have issues around earning money its no wonder you can't get off the streets.
Message: Posted by: bobser (May 11, 2010 09:33AM)
Some good points there MP. To show my fairness in this I'm now dumping that street peddler and joining up with you. To be honest we haven't been seeing eye to eye of late. I mean:
'ANTHONY JACQUIN & bob'.
Does that seem like a partnership to anyone in here?
I wanted: BOBBY DAZZLER but he said it was too "Zingy"!!!
Message: Posted by: hypnokid (May 14, 2010 04:10AM)
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On 2010-05-11 09:33, mindpunisher wrote:
Remember the old days when it was actually a good value to keep a secret in magic etc? Now you want to harass strangers in the street and sell it to anybody that has a few quid in their pocket. With no regards for the law or safety.
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Hello, I'm new here. I hope you don't mind me chucking in my thoughts.

Is hypnosis a 'secret' that needs to be kept?

'Selling' it to 'anybody that has a few quid in their pocket' is just business for hypno trainers, is it not? We all have to learn somewhere, don't we?

What do you mean by 'no regards for the law'? Does this mean that some street hypnotists have been arrested and prosecuted for hypnotising on the street and that others are carrying on as if this hasn't happened?

And on 'safety', are there credible and referenced sources on the 'net that indicate that harm has been done by street hypnotists?

The only legal issues I've read on hypnosis involved stage hypnotists and members of the health industry. The only safety issues I've read about involved stage hypnotists. It's funny, stage hypnotists seem to think that what they do is safe but that what others do is not safe yet the stories point to the opposite.

Anyway, if I wanted to see a modern stage hypnosis show in the UK, I'd invent a time machine and teleport back to the fifties. Same act, much cheaper ticket price. :)

HK
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 14, 2010 05:52AM)
What we do IS not safe that's why in the UK we need licences and insurance and meet guidelines about having proper number of stewards and the way a venue is set up. We are also vetted by the police.

The fact you think that doing it on the street is safer causes support for the argument that street hypnosis is a media frenzy waiting to happen.

The market in the UK was destroyed by the sheer number of bad hypnotists hitting bars in themid 90s after learning out of books and dodgy schools. It is currently looking like at least it might be popular again for a while.

Even more bad hypnotists in the street as well as in the bars will only strangle it before it has the chance.

But of course there should be no secrets lets sell the idea to everyone for next to nothing. Better still lets do it for free.
Message: Posted by: bobser (May 14, 2010 05:35PM)
When I said 'it is what it is' I simply meant that:
a) it's not stage hypnosis, which anyone involved in hypnosis will happily admit takes next to no skill whatsoever to get people to be hypnotised (remember I'm talking HYPNOTISED and not referring to the skills needed to due the actual show).

and

b) The hypnotherapy room, where the hypnotherapist normally is NOT a hypnotist but rather a therapist taliking like a very condescending Margaret Thatcher.

BUT in an impromptu situation, there's just you and them. Pure skill. nowhere to hide. And that's simply a fact. Anyone arguing against that (he'll be here in a minute) is a bampot!
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (May 14, 2010 06:15PM)
It takes very little skill to hypnotise. If what you said were true then we would see good videos of skilled street hypnotists. They simply do not exist. Show me just one? There are NONE.

In order to hypnotise someone in a street it takes a bit of adaption. But it is no more skilled than any other form of hypnosis.

Sure stage hypnosis with large crowds means trance subjects are everywhere but you need to know how to control those large numbers....including hecklers. It takes aditional adaption that no street hypnotist will have. A good stage hypnotist should they fall and damage their brain and wish to go on the streets could easily. But why wouyld they want to? Street hypnosis is an amatuer hobby. And they are badly trained if trained at all.

As for therapy you are wrong again Hypnotherapy is more than putting someone in trance and giving them suggestions. Trance induction is more than a formal induction. I can understand from where you are at your level of understanding that is your reality. But it isn't reality. There are many theraputic techniques that use trance to make changes without it being obvious whats happening....They are much more effective than giving suggestions that are really only good for reinforcement.
Message: Posted by: Zerububle (May 15, 2010 01:34AM)
Sean Andrews does street hypno as does Reg Blackwood. James Brown does impromptu hypnosis. The latter has videos on here. The others are on you tube.

You stated that hypnosis shows were killed off in the 90's by roving hypnotist who had learned stuff from books etc - surely the decline of ALL theatre and the move to technology had something to do with it.

I would like to see some of your footage as without it you just appear as hot air

bubble
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (May 15, 2010 10:08AM)
Bubble,

you can see mindpunishers work on his youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/shrinkHypnoticShow

Enjoy.

Anthony
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 29, 2010 02:06AM)
Impromptu, roving, walkaround or street hypnosis isn't just an amateur pursuit.
I do it professionally, as well as stage and clinical work and yes, I train others too.
I'm sure at one time, there were plenty of crusty old magicians sitting around saying how "wrong" it was of David Blaine to perform magic on the street.
Now there is at least one section of this forum dedicated to street magic.
To say it degrades the art somehow is just plain wrong.
There are plenty of bad hypnotists out there, be it stage, street or clinic, but the cream will always rise to the top.
Sure, if a bad magician performs after spending money on bought tricks, he might just give away some secret or other. If a poor practitioner of hypnosis performs unsafely, the consequences can be more serious.
Unfortunately there are some horror stories in our industry, just like any other industry but regulation of hypnosis or hypnosis training doesn't prevent these happening.
I know many hypnotists with virtually identical training to me who are just plain bad at it.
If you have a solution MindPunisher, there are plenty of us out here willing to listen to your ideas.
Reg Blackwood
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 29, 2010 09:53AM)
I don't have any solutions. I just voice my opinion. I just think the whole idea is naff. And that for the majority the motivations for street impromtu hypnosis is more about getting a buzz from doing it rather than entertaining an audience. Or even learning hypnosis in any depth.

Magic in the street works I don't think hypnosis does. Again my opinion.

One of the things that does concern me is that the more that are encouraged to give it ago with little or no training then statistically the chances increase for a mishap and media attention. If that happens then it will affect all of us in the industry. (esp in the UK)

But these are my opinions. I hope it never happens.
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 29, 2010 03:19PM)
I agree about the majority and their motivations, but again you could be describing magic or even stand-up comedy for that matter. I remember being amazed 20 years ago to discover in London, a whole "open mic" sub-circuit of comics, poets and performers who never even dreamed of getting paid for what they did. I imagine some of them are still doing the same even now.
With hypnosis, for that majority though, I do feel it's more of a passing fad.
I've already seen a number of magicians who've learned hypnosis through material specifically marketed at them and they have either never used it beyond the classroom, or have already given it up, maybe in favour of something with a more certain outcome.
I'll also reluctantly agree and say yes, it is beginning to look a bit naff over there in the UK, isn't it? I see a lot of "performing" for someone holding a camera, a bunch of other amateur hypnotists and virtually nobody else. I'd like to ask: Where's the entertainment? Where's the audience? And don't say Youtube. Please just do us all a favour and just video yourself making model aeroplanes.
I definitely share the same concerns for mishaps and media attention too MP, but unfortunately, I don't have solutions either.
I'll continue however to voice my concerns about safety on this and other forums and encourage others like you to do the same, in the hope that neither of us will ever have to say "told you so."
Congrats on the fringe show by the way. Great venue you've got yourself into. I'm sure you'll have a ball.
Reg
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 29, 2010 07:07PM)
Yes Im sure I will have a ball...thanks..
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 30, 2010 07:27AM)
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On 2010-06-29 16:19, quicknotist wrote:

... it is beginning to look a bit naff over there in the UK, isn't it? I see a lot of "performing" for someone holding a camera, a bunch of other amateur hypnotists and virtually nobody else.[/quote]

Ouch! Steady on Reg, I think that's also happening where you are also. I've even watched some rather fairly big names from The US of A doing street stuff exactly as you described.
What we need is an annual convention, perhaps called 'Across The Pond', where we all meet up for a week and do street magic. The venue changes acroos the Atlantic each year rather like The Ryder Cup.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 30, 2010 10:41AM)
So long as you keep away from here...~have yer Naff fest as far away as possible. Why stick to streets really be cool and acost victims in dark allyways or in toilets. Seems about right.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 30, 2010 11:55AM)
..... yeah was wondering how long it would take you to start up that toilet talk again. Let it go man, just let it go!!!
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 30, 2010 02:09PM)
I can't sometimes I have to push...