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Topic: Up The Ante
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 17, 2010 11:19PM)
I'm posting this here because after reading the reviews of Up The Ante, I still don't get a feel for the complexity of the effect with regard to a beginner. I've learned with magic, that when it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Yet this effect is given a difficulty level of 2, meaning that it's easily accomplished (I think). In other posts I've said I'm not a card guy, but I'd like to have a few good card effects in my repertoire. So, simply put, without revealing the method, is all the hype (no sleights, no gaffs, spectator shuffles, etc.) true and can I as a beginner handle this seemingly easy routine that boasts such killer results? It doesn't seem to use a stacked deck, but I'm guessing some kind of setup is required prior to pulling the deck out of the box and handing it to the spectator. Appreciate your input. Thanks, Bob
Message: Posted by: magicphill (Jul 18, 2010 08:53AM)
Would like to know more on this one too as I'm also interested in the effect
Message: Posted by: ejohn (Jul 18, 2010 03:21PM)
The hype is true. It does use a s---k, is easy to do, and is a very good trick.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 18, 2010 06:16PM)
Thanks ejohn you just convinced me to purchase it! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jul 19, 2010 12:35AM)
Bob,

Remember me from the Tommy Wonder deck switch discussion? Up the Ante is an EXCELLENT effect.

The methodology is VERY easy, and, actually should NOT be presented as a "card trick."

Ejohn is a good salesperson, and, he is right. So, while you wait for your copy of Up the Ante....

My review of it and the thoughts of others are here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=367369&forum=159&69

Ahimsa,
Vlad

PS: There is NO sleight of hand in this whatsoever and no gaffs, no maths for you to remember. And yes, the spectator does shuffle the cards. Read my review, and the thoughts of others. :)

PPS: There IS a part of the thread where I do joke about sleights. There are none, but, if you follow the thread you will see why Jan and I were having a go with some others in good fun.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 19, 2010 08:19AM)
Vlad, of course I remember you from Tommy Wonder's Deck Switch; I'm planning to order that with Up the Ante! I've read through parts of your review thread, but given that it's a lengthy thread, I skimmed it looking for more details on the method. You did very well in that thread not revealing even a hint as to the method, and at the same time, with your expertise, sometimes what seems simple to a pro, can confound the heck out of a beginner. So now that you've given me the right reasons to purchase UTA, I'm off to see the wizard... thanks Vlad! Best, Bob

Posted: Jul 19, 2010 10:43am
Vlad, I just purchased Up the Ante in pdf from Martyn Smith; I'm going to PM you with a question. Bob
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 19, 2010 05:45PM)
I am unabashedly IN LOVE with Up the Ante.
As Vlad said, it should not be perceived as a "trick."
It is a killer routine.
The link Vlad supplied has a few of my posts.
My use of this astonishing routine has only grown since the time of my writing.
UP the Ante is a gem, a masterpiece.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 20, 2010 02:02PM)
Thanks Panlives! Am working on it! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Jul 20, 2010 11:22PM)
Bob et al,

...sorry, been away in deepest, darkest africa for a few days with no internet connection! Am happy to answer any questions regarding UTA although the boys seem to have done an excellent job anyway! Hope that it lives up to expectations for you.....

Best

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 21, 2010 09:36AM)
Thanks Martyn, Vlad, Panlives! Y'all have been a great help! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 21, 2010 05:52PM)
It is a special pleasure to write about Up the Ante.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 22, 2010 11:46PM)
I sent a PM to Martyn that I'd like to share with Vlad and Panlives...I tried it on my wife last night for the first time, before even performing it for myself. She's my toughest critic. In short, it blew her away! She knows all the "moves" and likes to think she can figure my stuff out. NOT UTA! Since then I've got six decks ready to go at any given time, anytime, anywhere. Y'all have given me a great effect! Can't wait to pull it on my next monthly poker game. Thanks folks, I love it! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jul 23, 2010 12:09AM)
Bob,

I HAVE to say it my friend: I told ya so!! :D Martyn has unleashed a GREAT GREAT effect and I am SO glad you love it :)

We have been talking about doing a supplementary work taking UTA in other directions. I have an approach with Tarot cards that is ALMOST there that I will be submitting to Martyn by summer's end. Panlives has recounted HIS presentation already to this KILLER effect, but, knowing Panlives as I have gotten to know him here, I sense he has a LOT of really intriguing hooks for this. I am not implying that UTA needs improving at all. But, this effect really does invite more thought.

Really, your thanks should go to Martyn. Panlives, Ustaad, Jan Forrester, and I, among others are people who love this effect. But it is Martyn who gave the community this fantastic effect.

I have to tell you a quick story Bob about how I came to this effect. I would read Martyn's posts talking about Up the Ante. So, I posted one day and stated, okay, I want to see a demo of this, I am not convinced. Welllll ... I watched the demo, was floored, and I will NEVER doubt Martyn Smith again :)

There have been some GREAT effects released this year. I RARELY buy individual effects. I am a book guy with the occasional DVD here and there. But, this year has seen Silent Running, Hole Surprise, CAPtivated, Annihilation Deck, Final Countdown, and a few others. These are great effects, but, to me, Up the Ante is the effect of the year. :)

So, thank you again Martyn!

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 23, 2010 06:35AM)
And when you think that UTA was released last year it could be easy the routine of the last two years. I'm also far more the book guy, UTA was an exception after seeing the video. And how glad I am although I knew the principle! :) Jan
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 23, 2010 07:36AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-23 01:09, Vlad_77 wrote:
Bob,

I HAVE to say it my friend: I told ya so!! :D Martyn has unleashed a GREAT GREAT effect and I am SO glad you love it :)

We have been talking about doing a supplementary work taking UTA in other directions. I have an approach with Tarot cards that is ALMOST there that I will be submitting to Martyn by summer's end. Panlives has recounted HIS presentation already to this KILLER effect, but, knowing Panlives as I have gotten to know him here, I sense he has a LOT of really intriguing hooks for this. I am not implying that UTA needs improving at all. But, this effect really does invite more thought.

Really, your thanks should go to Martyn. Panlives, Ustaad, Jan Forrester, and I, among others are people who love this effect. But it is Martyn who gave the community this fantastic effect.

I have to tell you a quick story Bob about how I came to this effect. I would read Martyn's posts talking about Up the Ante. So, I posted one day and stated, okay, I want to see a demo of this, I am not convinced. Welllll ... I watched the demo, was floored, and I will NEVER doubt Martyn Smith again :)

There have been some GREAT effects released this year. I RARELY buy individual effects. I am a book guy with the occasional DVD here and there. But, this year has seen Silent Running, Hole Surprise, CAPtivated, Annihilation Deck, Final Countdown, and a few others. These are great effects, but, to me, Up the Ante is the effect of the year. :)

So, thank you again Martyn!

Ahimsa,
Vlad
[/quote]


Hi Vlad,

Thank you.

Your post reminds us, thankfully, that “Up the Ante” is not a one-trick pony.

I have already tipped some of my narrative approaches in another thread, but they are only a few of several scripts I use to anchor the routine.

As I wrote before, Up the Ante will help you to use higher-value verbal and psychological staging; it will enhance your ability to adapt to the moment, use jazz-scripting and make your routine comedic, challenge-magic, emotionally poignant or spooky as required.

I use the final “mirror-image” 13 card sequential reveal, with two participants, as a love story with a Mentalism subtext.

When the “Mentalism” part happens in the hands of the two participants (they match 13 pairs of cards after they shuffled and cut and you [the performer] never touch the deck)…stand back and watch the fireworks (and expletives) detonate.

Effect/routine of the year?

Yes.

[quote]
On 2010-07-23 07:35, JanForster wrote:
And when you think that UTA was released last year it could be easy the routine of the last two years. I'm also far more the book guy, UTA was an exception after seeing the video. And how glad I am although I knew the principle! :) Jan
[/quote]

If Martyn is amenable, this can easily be re-released as an e-book with user thoughts, experiences, stories, scripts and a few other variations that can easily fill a couple of hundred pages.

My own performance notes are close to 75 pages, thus far.

Possible title? -

Raising the Ante
A treatise on performing "Up the Ante.”

Replete with stories, scripts, tips, hints, performer’s thoughts & experiences, variations and some secret work that will fry your audience.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 23, 2010 10:09AM)
Gents, you're inspiring me. Being the simple guy that I am, I don't have that multi dimensional vision for use of UTA. I don't have much of a problem with other magic, but cards, for me, do not permit me to tell a story, at least that I can come up with anyway. I'd be interested in knowing if/when you get that e-book on the market! Thanks Gentlemen! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Jul 23, 2010 11:32AM)
Aw shucks...! Fellas, am only the conduit for your creativity; am convinced that you guys will come up with some superb routining based on the original idea. I, for one am very happy to become involved with a second e-book with all of your advancements. The thing that I love here on this Café is that so often one idea sprouts into so many intriguing things once the creative fuse is lit. Would love to see my creation flower from here so, please, keep those juices flowing!

Am eagerly awaiting any scripts/ideas/thoughts etc.

Am glad that you guys are so happy to 'talk this one up' as one or two magic publications gave it a bit of a rough ride, unfairly in my opinion - which is quite contrary to the rave reviews it gets from my audiences time after time (and have appeared on these pages,too!)! I wonder just how many magicians get put off by carelessly used words in a review, particularly when it is so clear that the reviewer didn't read the effect properly in the first place? Hopefully this thread might alert people to this...

Best

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 23, 2010 04:52PM)
Put me on the list of the new e-book...ple-e-e-e-e-ze??? I can actually have fun with UTA just presenting it as a great bet! I can see myself doing it for seniors perhaps in an assisted living setting, getting the staff involved in the bets, keeping it at a few dollars max per bet, then when the staff loses, I donate the money to the facility! Or for any charity for that matter! Vlad, Ya did tell me so! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: The great Gumbini (Jul 23, 2010 08:23PM)
UTA got a "rough ride" of a review? WOW! Well all I can say is it is a staple in my gambling routine. This is so fantastic and so easy to learn. I really like this and I remember being one of the first few to get it and I have to say I knew the Cap had something here. I always let my magic buddies know about it and they have ordered as well. Anyone on the fence still about this should get it.


Good magic to all,


Eric
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Jul 23, 2010 11:53PM)
Eric, Good to hear from you again! Thank you for your kind words and to everybody for theirs, too. Yes, the Linking Ring gave a review, described as 'neutral' but it was very clear to me that the author of it had not done his homework and had done no more (at best) than skim-read my work; a review that not only contained factual errors but one that also accused me of not really understanding the principles on which my routine is based and of not really giving an explanation! Then the M-U-M magazine (society of American Magicians?) pretty much slammed it - both articles without my knowledge, too! Heaven knows how many people may have been put off buying UTA by these 2 reviews, which are so at odds with everything else written here and elsewhere and from personal experience - lots of it! - of audiences just loving the effect! Whilst not averse to a bad review here and there, I do expect that review to have been conducted fairly. Oh well, c'est la vie...

(See 'Pistols at Dawn, Mr Lelekis' in the International Brotherhood of Magicians section on the Café)
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 24, 2010 04:49PM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-23 21:23, The great Gumbini wrote:
UTA got a "rough ride" of a review? WOW! Well all I can say is it is a staple in my gambling routine. This is so fantastic and so easy to learn. I really like this and I remember being one of the first few to get it and I have to say I knew the Cap had something here. I always let my magic buddies know about it and they have ordered as well. Anyone on the fence still about this should get it.


Good magic to all,


Eric
[/quote]

“We find our way to the glistening shore through stormy seas…”

Up the Ante is a marvel.

Seek it out.

You will find a treasure.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jul 24, 2010 05:45PM)
Eric
[/quote]

“We find our way to the glistening shore through stormy seas…”

Eric, who said this? It's very useful to me at this time in my life and I'd like to know the author if you don't mind? Thanks, Bob
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 26, 2010 05:47AM)
Hi Bob1Dog,

That was my original writing, inspired by “Foot-Prints on the Sea-Shore,” by Nathaniel Hawthorne.

I hope you are ok.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 11, 2010 01:54PM)
How clean is this trick for the spectator? Easy to reset?
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Sep 11, 2010 03:31PM)
The whole effect is VERY clean and the deck can be used prior to doing UTA....the reset is not a quick job but the deck is clean afterwards. Indeed, you don't have to handle the deck at all during the whole routine if you were so inclined! The effect that it has on audiences is out of all proportion to the effort required though! Trust me; I have literally thousands of real-audience performances of this under my belt and there has not been any disappointment whatsoever.

Best

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Sep 11, 2010 04:40PM)
I'll second that! I love it. I keep six decks ready to go at any given time. I impressed my wife with it and she's usually on to me for everything! Can't beat the price of this one. The results are unbelievable and the spectator can even riffle shuffle the cards! best, bob
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 11, 2010 09:04PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-11 14:54, Failed Magician wrote:
How clean is this trick for the spectator? Easy to reset?
[/quote]

Hi Failed,

Read my review and the thoughts of others http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=367369&forum=159&69

The effect as written is actually what the spectator sees. It truly IS that clean.

Namaste,
Vlad

PS: Martyn, how's the wild blue yonder these days? We've missed you around here :)
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Sep 12, 2010 12:01AM)
Hi Vlad, Yes, the 'wild blue yonder' has seen me up close quite a bit of late! Just in from Moscow - and just out to Moscow again in a few days! Still, every time I go to work there is always the opportunity in the hotel bars and restaurants to get the cards out; with an airline of this size there is rarely a crewmember who has seen Up The Ante before and the cards are such an ice-breaker, socially.....always have a blast and this has proved to be a great testing ground for new routines/effects. Indeed, it was crew reaction to UTA that persuaded me to think of releasing it...and to think, I very nearly 'sat' on it thinking that people might not be as enthralled with it as I was.......
Message: Posted by: mimo67 (Sep 15, 2010 06:03AM)
Hi Martyn, Vlad and every satisfied Up The Ante buyer...,
just to add that some good ideas in my opinion can be found there :
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=5920&forum=205&25&start=0#24
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Sep 15, 2010 03:48PM)
Hi Mimo67,

Thanks for your ideas and hints. Great stuff! Just got in from Russia and am rather tired but will play with these bits and pieces over the coming days; nice to see some fresh ideas coming in. Well done sir!

Best

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Sep 25, 2010 09:11AM)
Just got this- what a great effect! This one will take some thought and routining, but way worth the time.

One of my first thoughts is to use a shoe for this effect. My other first thought is to brush off my false shuffles. Also thinking deck switch.

A wouldn't call it a weakness, this is a great effect, but I believe the area needing most care is ensuring the audience can not think "stack"...

Jim
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Sep 25, 2010 10:06PM)
In my mind, the riffle shuffle alone eliminates the "stack think" in my mind....I pulled this on my brick and mortar shop owner and in his words, "it's insane!"
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Sep 26, 2010 01:02AM)
Am often initially accused of having stacked the deck previously....right up until the point where I remind them that they looked through the deck, they cut it, they shuffled it and they dealt the cards...!! Indeed, my only handling of the deck was to pass it to them at the outset!!

Have fun with it....I am!!

Cheers

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 26, 2010 12:31PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-25 10:11, mandarin wrote:
Just got this- what a great effect! This one will take some thought and routining, but way worth the time.

One of my first thoughts is to use a shoe for this effect. My other first thought is to brush off my false shuffles. Also thinking deck switch.

A wouldn't call it a weakness, this is a great effect, but I believe the area needing most care is ensuring the audience can not think "stack"...

Jim
[/quote]

Jim,

I use a deck switch for this baby. A nice lead in to this is an effect called Bait and Switch by Simon Aronson. The Aronson effect is strong, and it leaves the audience with the impression of a well shuffled deck. When you are handing the deck to them for Up the Ante, the idea is SO locked in that I have had to prctically BEG the spectator to shuffle! They are THAT convinced.

Namaste,
Vlad

PS: I LOVE the shoe idea!!
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Sep 27, 2010 09:19AM)
I start by doing a couple of Zarrow shuffles. In the Si Stebbins stack, the Jack of Spades is followed by an Ace of Diamonds. I cut the Jack of Spades to the top, and do my presentation for Eddie Fechter's 'I've Got a Surprise for You.' The selected card is the only card that is displaced, but it's easy to put it back in place without arousing suspicion. (If the selected card is black, somewhere in the deck there will be two reds in a row. If the selected cards is red, somewhere in the deck there will be two black cards in a row.)

I give the cards another quick false mix, and perform a second quick effect that doesn't change the order of the deck. Then, I'm ready to go into 'Up the Ante.' No one has ever thought that the deck is stacked.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Sep 29, 2010 06:32AM)
I have gone on record in more than a dozen places praising this brilliant routine.

Having performed it over 100 times in a live setting, I have to agree with Vlad about the deck switch.

One of the great strengths of this effect is that the performer needn’t touch the cards. A deck switch following a routine that clearly randomizes the cards has proven to be more powerful for my audiences. Doing a series of false shuffles and mixes tends to arouse suspicion that the magician is secretly stacking the deck.

A deck switch, followed by a completely hands-free performance, makes “Up the Ante” one of the top 3 greatest self-workers of the decade.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Sep 30, 2010 04:44AM)
Martyn is really to be congratulated for this superb routine. It seems almost incomprehensible that the cards can be shuffled and then that the cards can be revealed in this manner. Lots of thought went into this.

Way to go, Martyn.

Mike
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 1, 2010 01:46PM)
Thanks guys! Now go out there armed and ready to bamboozle them!
Message: Posted by: seneca77 (Oct 1, 2010 10:25PM)
I've enjoyed tremendous response from demonstrating UTA and it has quickly become one of my favorite effects. Everyone's been blown away by it.

All except for my college-aged son who visited recently. His reaction was essentially, "Meh." When I asked him why he wasn't terribly impressed, he said that there was obviously some sort of set-up. But I reminded him that he examined the cards beforehand, dealt, cut *and* shuffled. He was still convinced that there was a set-up. How can there be a set-up if the cards are shuffled? Didn't matter.

I think I chose my audience poorly - almost twenty years of being constantly exposed to Dad's tricks have jaded him. He knows there's a trick to *everything*. I wonder if he would've have been more impressed if I had been the one handling the deck. In hindsight, I probably should have gone with a deck switch.

I was vindicated later that day when a buddy of his stopped by. "Holy Cow!" and "No Way!" were several of the exclamations I heard from him during the performance.

Up The Ante is well worth the small investment!
- Bob
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 2, 2010 05:50AM)
Martyn, you've asked for it, I will do so in short. Somebody was taping UTA while I was performing it at a magic convention... it's in German but still will give a clear impression and audience reactions (mainly magicians) about my presentation of the concept. As it is performance only of course I will post the youtube link soon. :) Jan
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 2, 2010 06:24AM)
Great! Thanks Jan; let me have the link when you have it and I shall look forward to seeing it! About time a decent video of it was out there! Even if ist I'm das deutche! Vielen danke, Herr Forster!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 2, 2010 07:10AM)
Martyn, I should have the DVD next week, then I'm going to convert it in streaming files. Jan
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Oct 2, 2010 09:15AM)
Jan, would you mind posting the link in here too? I'd like to see your handling as well....Thanks! Bob
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 2, 2010 01:31PM)
Hi Bob, yes, I will post the link here, it will be no secret. :) Jan
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Oct 2, 2010 07:48PM)
Thanks Jan!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 8, 2010 07:57AM)
The video is up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2IXuO7cMBI
Unfortunately the sound isn't very good (to be polite...) due to the DVD. But it might still give an impression for people "in the know"... Jan
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 8, 2010 09:45AM)
Thanks Jan....great to see and I am sat here wishing that I could speak German!
For those not "in the know" UTA starts a little way into the video when the pairs are dealt....you certainly get an impression of the fun that you could have, bantering with the audience as it develops and you can hear the audience having fun. Shame that the sound is a bit lacking but good to see nevertheless. Well done sir!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 8, 2010 09:48AM)
Yes, Martyn, you are right... by the way the effect I do before starting UTA is part of it... preparing the stack (hidden reverse counting). Jan
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 15, 2010 09:34AM)
In case you have not seen it, here is my take on Up The Ante. Go to http://www.magicdownload.co.uk and the username is martyn1 and solent is the password. Please remember that I am a professional pilot and not an entertainer when you watch it though!!

This is the way that I wrote the effect but, as amny of you have realised, the effect/routine is open to rewriting and innovation; indeed, I welcome it. Hope that you like this

Best

Martyn
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Oct 16, 2010 11:25AM)
[quote]
On 2010-10-08 08:57, JanForster wrote:
The video is up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2IXuO7cMBI
Unfortunately the sound isn't very good (to be polite...) due to the DVD. But it might still give an impression for people "in the know"... Jan
[/quote]

Jan,

What a BRILLIANT presentation!! Your spectator/audience management is superb!! Kudos!!

I very much like your alternate approach to salient points in the effect that seque wonderfully into the effect.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 16, 2010 01:25PM)
Thanks, Vlad. Glad you could still get it due to the weak sound. It doesn't transpose the excellent audience reaction. And there have been magicians. ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: panlives (Oct 18, 2010 07:47AM)
[quote]
On 2010-10-15 10:34, captainsmiffy wrote:
In case you have not seen it, here is my take on Up The Ante. Go to http://www.magicdownload.co.uk and the username is martyn1 and solent is the password. Please remember that I am a professional pilot and not an entertainer when you watch it though!!

This is the way that I wrote the effect but, as amny of you have realised, the effect/routine is open to rewriting and innovation; indeed, I welcome it. Hope that you like this

Best

Martyn
[/quote]

How wonderful to see this astonishing routine performed by its creator.

Captain, your performance is completely natural, affable and utterly convincing.

I enjoyed that nervous moment when the riffle shuffle almost went out of control (I have a recovery method worked out should the riffle go awry). You went past it with some nimble verbal control and continued on with the good-natured betting.

You played off your guests’ reactions smoothly, constantly reminding them you had nothing to do with the cards; they cut, they counted, they shuffled...

This was a genuine DELIGHT to watch! What an effect; what a routine. It is my pick of the year, by far.

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 18, 2010 09:02AM)
Thanks for that! Was quite nervous about putting a video of my performance out on such a site as this, with all of its seasoned and professional performers.....I personally feel that I am a lot more polished with it now as it has been aired many, many times since that bit of almost impromptu performing just before work one day.

I hope that everybody else enjoys it as much as you did,sir!

Best,

Martyn
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (Oct 18, 2010 05:08PM)
To all the performers of Up the Ante: what is your favorite bet-sequence ? I understand you can have different bets and the sequence enclosed with the effect (and shown on the video's) is kinda boring, I think. Red-black and that 6 or 7 times in a row. Any other ideas here ?
Message: Posted by: panlives (Oct 19, 2010 06:43AM)
There are different methodologies that reveal multiple patterns, but I think any discussion on this aspect of the effect should be in the secret sessions.
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Oct 19, 2010 12:45PM)
Well said! Now it is off to bed before an early start to blighty....and the newcastle magic shop!!
Message: Posted by: tomboston (Oct 19, 2010 12:47PM)
Jan,

I loved your lead-in effect that gets you into UTA. I didn't really catch all that was going on but I understand the purpose for it!

Tom
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (Oct 19, 2010 02:12PM)
>but I think any discussion on this aspect of the effect should be in the secret sessions.

Why ? There are two demo's posted in this thread, anyone can see that there is a sequence of placing bets, so I'm only asking for other variations. For your information: I have this effect so I'm not fishing for the secret.
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (Oct 19, 2010 04:51PM)
>but I think any discussion on this aspect of the effect should be in the secret sessions.

Why ? There are two demo's posted in this thread, anyone can see that there is a sequence of placing bets, so I'm only asking for other variations. For your information: I have this effect so I'm not fishing fot the secret.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Oct 20, 2010 06:39AM)
Hi fvdbeek,

Sorry, I misunderstood...did not realize you already purchased UTA.

Yes the fundamental principle allows for variations.

Even within the structure the good Captain used to create UTA, the bets can be revealed differently.

Explaining how or discussing the specifics should be in Secret Sessions.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Nov 5, 2010 11:47AM)
I'm helping out in a fundraiser to generate money for homeless kids in our area....I thought of doing UTA as a means to generate some cash from participants in the betting, and when I win at the end, it all goes to the charity.....

Any ideas folks? Has anyone performed UTA for charity? I'm especially keen on any ideas that might have an out for me in the event something goes wrong? I obviously want the crowd to donate the cash! I'm donating my services....

I know you will say, "Well what can go wrong!" All of us have had things go wrong, and despite my intoxication with UTA, I presume even IT could follow Murphy's Law at some point, whether my handling, or the principle.

Whaddaya think Captain and others? Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: panlives (Nov 5, 2010 05:55PM)
[quote]
On 2010-11-05 12:47, Bob1Dog wrote:
I'm helping out in a fundraiser to generate money for homeless kids in our area....I thought of doing UTA as a means to generate some cash from participants in the betting, and when I win at the end, it all goes to the charity.....

Any ideas folks? Has anyone performed UTA for charity? I'm especially keen on any ideas that might have an out for me in the event something goes wrong? I obviously want the crowd to donate the cash! I'm donating my services....

I know you will say, "Well what can go wrong!" All of us have had things go wrong, and despite my intoxication with UTA, I presume even IT could follow Murphy's Law at some point, whether my handling, or the principle.

Whaddaya think Captain and others? Best, Bob
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Hi Bob1Dog,

I have been one of the more vocal devotees of this mind-blowing effect/routine and have performed more than a dozen thematic variations on the core narrative.

Although I clearly cannot speak for its creator, and even considering the philanthropic virtue of giving to charity, the use of real money and actual loss seems to me a few degrees less magical.

You lose money at a casino. You lose money playing Poker or Blackjack. You lose money on Three Card Monte and the Shell Game.

Up the Ante is pure magic, not thievery - no matter the virtuous narrative skin.

Open to opinions here…
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Nov 5, 2010 08:45PM)
Panlives, I guess that may be one of my problems with UTA....it's ambiguous to perform unless you're really betting on something.....though you do make good points.....

I've performed UTA many times mostly for friends and one-on-one situations, and it never fails to astonish, but no real money is ever exchanged...Yet, the effect, aptly named, Up the Ante, is truly a betting game, no?

So that raises the question, how can I perform this at a show getting the spectators involved without money, chips, candy, or something of a real bet?

That's why I thought of doing this for a charity event, but you raise valid issues and I may have to re-think it.....Curious to see what others chime in with....Thanks! Bob
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Nov 6, 2010 09:28AM)
Chaps, A bit slow into the fray with this one as I have been doing lots of night flights! Am sat on the fence on this one....you both make valid points...I guess that if you go to a specific charity event then you are expecting to shell out for that charity so, in a way, you are not really gambling as such - just losing for real! It all depends on how the thing is sold. Will people be aware that their loss will be the charities gain?

An interesting point. Would like to hear more points of view.

The other point is over confidence with the performance; you are opening a can of worms if the bet goes 'live' and you blow it! That said, in hundreds of performances it has not gone wrong for me. Any error will be a procedural error on your part and total familiarity will be required here with the routine. I personally have no worries here - although, to be fair, my 'day job' does rather rely on me applying procedures correctly. If I get them wrong then people may end up paying the ultimate price alongside of me.....be confident and assured in your performance. Always.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Nov 6, 2010 11:35AM)
Cap'n, you're right about the performance; only I can manage that. For that reason, I'm not wild about letting the spectator shuffle the cards unless you absolutely know he/she can perform a riffle shuffle. The first person I did UTA on was with my wife (as with all my stuff) after she assured me she could handle the riffle shuffle. She couldn't. The cards went all over the place. Little things like that are "things" that can go wrong. Of course, I have several decks prepared, so a backup would always be available. Still, the OCD type that I am makes me feel that I'm always being chased!

Anyway, looking forward to more opinions on this as well....Thanks gents!
Message: Posted by: panlives (Nov 7, 2010 08:31AM)
Here are three of my posts from the thread linked to below, started by Vlad.
Since these postings, I have added many more approaches.
Perhaps these can better explain why live betting needn’t be part of the routine.
Having two romantically linked participants share in the cutting, counting and shuffling is (I think) an idea original to me. In any event, it opens some engaging possibilities, including a “sympathetic souls,” quasi-mentalism approach that that plays strongly.

Let me know what you think:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=367369&forum=159&start=0

1)
“In my scripting, I have a romantically involved couple (spouses or significant others) share the cuts and shuffles. As the two participants handle the cards, my storyline centers around the vicissitudes of fate, luck, chance and the subtle and inexplicable coincidences in life that lead us to meet our true love. This leads to the stunning denouement: each half of the couple revealing, for all to see, that they have cut, shuffled and yet…they hold between them the perfect mirror of their eternal affections.

Make no mistake – this is a routine that soars. It can be presented as a seedy, “north of Fremont” tale of woe or as a sublime story of love and the ineffable bonds that connect us to each other.

Up the Ante is a stunner and will challenge (and doubtless improve, over time) your story-telling and audience management skill-sets.”

2)
“Hi All,

I just returned from another social get-together (an anniversary) and performed Up the Ante using my married couple routine.

They were elderly, sweet as a summer’s day. 60 years married and you could see that they are the rays of sunlight in each other’s lives.

I played to their long marriage, spoke about the passage of time and the eternal timelessness of love….it was 20% scripted; 80% jazz, impromptu, free-flowing.

I took the opportunity to play up the final reveal. As the final 26 cards were dealt onto a table for all to see (with a bit of verbal direction, they can be placed by two participants so they run sequentially from the Deuce to the Ace), the emotional resonance in the room went up several degrees. I spontaneously asked the wife and husband in turn to recall a moment from their lives together that held a special place in their heart. A memory, two cards placed on the table, a match…13 times…it was a delight, a barometer of their love. The incredible magic seemed to tease out their personal biographies…as if the secret book of their lives was opened for us to see…

By the time the matching Aces were revealed (I asked them to keep the last two cards in their hands and slowly turn them to face the guests whilst thinking of their 60 years of love), the couple was crying, along with every single guest in the room.

They kissed, we all cheered and the magic was all about them.

I would have paid a lot of money for a magical routine so powerful and adaptable to the situation that it could elicit real, genuine tears. I didn’t – I paid a relatively small amount of money for something that just today played bigger than any routine I have ever performed.

My friends – if you value the opportunity to create great stories, Up the Ante is your best, secret weapon. It will make you pay attention to the participant(s) and the wider audience with a mental acuity that few “tricks” require. As a result, your magic will become stronger.

And guess what? I have a week end gig for a coterie of cigar-smoking Poker playing buddies. I am already formulating this story: “As a card mechanic, I have seen many strange things in my time, but none so inexplicable as ‘this thing’ an old sharp showed me in a Las Vegas casino hotel room way, way north of the glittering strip. I lost a lot of money that night and paid a small fortune more to learn the secret of doing something that defies every law of nature. It took me 4 years to master; 5 hours a night, studying things called optical shuffle tracking, and how blinking our eyes affects the cognitive infrastructure of what we see and therefore, what we do; and a bunch of other really weird and esoteric stuff. I almost lost my job; my wife almost divorced me. But I finally cracked the secret. And here…right now…is what the old card sharp showed me…”

Up the Ante is magic because it creates the opportunity for you to make the magic fit the mood. It makes you as the performer feel as engaged and stunned as the people who see it performed.

I have given a taste of two routines/scripts. I have developed a half dozen more –and again, all have multi-dimensional variations that are entirely spontaneous, sparked by the real-life situation at that moment in time. People start talking, laughing, joking, and opening up about their lives…

...and it all comes out of a regular deck of playing cards. No gimmicks, no bad angles, nothing but the power of making real magic emerge from real people.

What an amazing routine.”

3)

“Hi All,

My performance for the Poker room was interesting – a solid success, based on “WTF” reactions and other profane expressions of incredulity.

In response to a query – no, the plots I outlined in previous posts are not complete scripts. They are rough sketches that do rely on the performer having some facility with impromptu verbal skills.

For example, something I left out in my description was how I framed the triplicate reveal of 4 packets in a row, each containing all four suits. For the occasion described above, it was natural to speak of the four suits symbolizing the four seasons and by extension, the four seasons of our lives: the unabashed exuberance of Spring; the verdant fulsomeness of Summer; the melancholy of Autumn and the difficult times we have to endure – the Winters of our discontents. On the third reveal, I end with the promise of a new Spring so as to complete the circle of life on a positive note.

This approach, by the way, also allows the performer to speak about how a deck of cards has its roots in the misty, unrecorded past of the Far East and Central Europe.; how the deck, to this day, is a metaphor for life: 52 cards representing the number of weeks in a year, the four suits (as mentioned) are the four seasons; two colors (red and black)- matching the two halves of the year (summer solstice and winter equinox); all of the spots on the cards in the deck totalling 365, the number of days in a year.

But it is important for me to emphasize that the magic plays big on its own merits, as the performer never has to touch the cards once they are introduced to the table. The magic is all done by the participant(s) in ways that clearly contradict all common sense and natural laws.

You can have a terrific amount of wicked fun presenting Up the Ante as a study in statistical probability. In fact, I have – to a group of student engineers.

Performed “straight up” or gilded with a routine/story of your choosing, Up the Ante is a pedal-to-the-metal winner.”
Message: Posted by: silverking (Nov 7, 2010 09:56AM)
That's some seriously high end thinking panlives.........absolutely brilliant!
Message: Posted by: WilburrUK (Nov 7, 2010 10:22AM)
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On 2010-11-06 12:35, Bob1Dog wrote:
Cap'n, you're right about the performance; only I can manage that. For that reason, I'm not wild about letting the spectator shuffle the cards unless you absolutely know he/she can perform a riffle shuffle. The first person I did UTA on was with my wife (as with all my stuff) after she assured me she could handle the riffle shuffle. She couldn't. The cards went all over the place. Little things like that are "things" that can go wrong. Of course, I have several decks prepared, so a backup would always be available. Still, the OCD type that I am makes me feel that I'm always being chased!

Anyway, looking forward to more opinions on this as well....Thanks gents!
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Bob,

For this situation, I'd recommend Lennart Green's Rosetta shuffle.
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Nov 7, 2010 11:40AM)
Excellent idea! Personally I always seem to find at least one person in the audience who can riffle shuffle as it really diminishes the effect, IMHO, if the performer has to resort to the shuffle but, if you don't, thenthe rosetta shuffle is a real gem.

Thanks, Panlives, for those marvellous reviews (I don't pay him, honest!!). You have always been such an enthusiastic supporter of Up The Ante and I thank you, Sir!

Will be in deepest, darkest Africa for the next 3 days or so - one day I will relate how a Ghanian Police Roadblock, an enthusiastic peeler and Up The Ante almost got me into deep trouble....

Cheers

Martyn

Posted: Nov 7, 2010 12:44pm
Am looking forward, BTW, Panlives, when I could read or watch your approach to UTA - it sounds very, very interesting and I, for one, can't wait to see them! As silverking says, some seriously high end thinking going on there!
Message: Posted by: panlives (Nov 7, 2010 12:13PM)
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On 2010-11-07 10:56, silverking wrote:
That's some seriously high end thinking panlives.........absolutely brilliant!
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Thank you, silverking.

Happy to share for the greater good!

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On 2010-11-07 11:22, WilburrUK wrote:
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On 2010-11-06 12:35, Bob1Dog wrote:
Cap'n, you're right about the performance; only I can manage that. For that reason, I'm not wild about letting the spectator shuffle the cards unless you absolutely know he/she can perform a riffle shuffle. The first person I did UTA on was with my wife (as with all my stuff) after she assured me she could handle the riffle shuffle. She couldn't. The cards went all over the place. Little things like that are "things" that can go wrong. Of course, I have several decks prepared, so a backup would always be available. Still, the OCD type that I am makes me feel that I'm always being chased!

Anyway, looking forward to more opinions on this as well... Thanks gents!
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Bob,

For this situation, I'd recommend Lennart Green's Rosetta shuffle.
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If there is a concern about the participants’ ability to keep a riffle shuffle from unspooling, the Rosetta Shuffle is a good alternative.

Moreover, when managing two romantically close participants as mentioned in my posting above, making two “roses” is thematically consistent with the scripting.

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On 2010-11-07 12:44, captainsmiffy wrote:
Am looking forward, BTW, Panlives, when I could read or watch your approach to UTA - it sounds very, very interesting and I, for one, can't wait to see them! As silverking says, some seriously high end thinking going on there!
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Hi Captain,

Always an honour to hear this from the creator.

As I wrote elsewhere - between life and other things, I have been working on several of my “Up the Ante” presentations, complete with scripts, body language, psychology, and versions for close-up, parlour and stage.

At the time I proposed calling a multi-performer, collaborative effort:

Raising the Ante
A treatise on performing "Up the Ante.”
Replete with stories, scripts, tips, hints, thoughts, experiences, variations and some super secret work that will fry your audience.

I think Vlad was, at some point, working out a Tarot card version of UTA. It sounded deeply intriguing.

I am still hoping we can get a manuscript going...
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Nov 7, 2010 01:08PM)
Y'all have given me some wonderful creative thinking on alternative approaches to UTA....I was limiting my own thinking by keeping UTA an a betting mode only...

It does change my thinking on the fundraiser, but UTA might just be a force to be used to raise awareness about homeless kids....must think on that.

Not familiar with the Rosetta Shuffle; gonna have to look that up. Thanks for the great thinking gents! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: silverking (Nov 7, 2010 01:35PM)
An additional manuscript for UTA?

Is this something Martyn has indicated he's undertaking.......or is it a purchaser driven project?
Message: Posted by: WillyWombat (Nov 7, 2010 03:13PM)
I got this idea from an Aldo Colombini DVD. If the spectator cannot do a riffle shuffle, get the person to place the two packets of cards with the short ends facing each other. Then ribbon spread the packets across the table and just push the two rows of cards into one single line and reform the cards into one pack.

Willy.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Nov 10, 2010 04:21PM)
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On 2010-11-07 14:35, silverking wrote:
An additional manuscript for UTA?

Is this something Martyn has indicated he's undertaking.......or is it a purchaser driven project?
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Hi silverking,

I floated this by Martyn on the open Café a while back and he seemed to be supportive.

As we have not corresponded on this proposed project in recent weeks, I think we should wait for his return from Africa and let him comment on how he envisages the structure and chapter contributions.

I already offered to give him my scripts and other UTA work should the manuscript move forward.
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Nov 10, 2010 04:55PM)
I have collected a whole bunch of scripts for Robert E. Neale's effect "Sole Survivor," including four or five different ones from Bob Neale himself. It is very instructive to see how different magicians adapted the effect to fit their personalities. (For example, my own script, "The Last Word," is a piece that blends Bob Neale's effect with Shakespeare.)

I'd be happy to offer my favorite "Up the Ante" script for this collection. My take on Martyn's effect is not a betting game at all, and I think other magicians might find it to be entertaining.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Nov 10, 2010 06:03PM)
Barry, having the privilege of seeing your script, it's absolutely brilliant, especially for my purposes in wishing to avoid the betting routine. I've chatted with Vlad, Panlives and the Captain over the course of the last several months here about how much I'm enamored with UTA and I believe the Captain his-self would embrace your take on it! Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Nov 11, 2010 05:11AM)
Morning....afternoon.....evening....err, what time of day is it?! Am just up from an all night return from Africa and pretty jet-lagged!

Am very interested in the idea of expanding the work into a compendium of ideas so please feel free to send me what you have! Panlives, Barry, Vlad, Bob Neale et al.....bring it on!! I would need to see what we are looking at and many of you have my e-mail address; if not then pm me for it and let me see what it is that we have to start with. A worthwhile project, methinks.

Best,

Martyn.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Posted: Nov 11, 2010 6:17am
BTW, was sat in a bar in Accra having a pint with a couple of crews and I performed UTA for the other crews captain; despite him holding the deck, cutting it, dealing it and shuffling it he said "deck switch. Must be! Can't do it any other way!!" Now I was gobsmacked that a layperson had even heard the term 'deckswitch' but reassured him that it must have been one hell of a switch when it could only have occurred in his hands...!!!

Cheers

Martyn