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Topic: Compulsory Voting
Message: Posted by: Nosher (Aug 21, 2010 03:41AM)
Federal election today and every Australian over 18 has to vote or face legal penalty (a small fine). In the past, non-Australians have told me it's

a) shocking to compel a citizen to do anything
b) possibly not a bad idea
c) a good idea
d) a bad idea because it forces/allows 'idiots' to vote.

Personally, I don't find it unreasonable to ask those who benefit from our form of government to participate in it once every 3 years. And, if you have philosophical objections to voting, you are not actually compelled to vote - you just have to show up, get your name ticked off and stuff a bit of unticked paper into a ballot box.

Thoughts?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 21, 2010 05:09AM)
I remember a short story in which a guy sees the cops coming for him and makes a break for it. After a grueling run, they catch him. And formally declare that he's been drafted to act as President of the United States for the next four years.

(Apparently, the concept was that they'd decided to determine who was best for political jobs and force them to take them rather than trust the people who actually wanted the position.)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 21, 2010 08:16AM)
Good idea if the no-vote ballots were counted and if they were a plurality would force a new election with new candidates.

Do they tally the no-vote ballots there?

Otherwise I think compulsory voting is a bad idea. As the saying goes, the lesser of two evils is evil.
Message: Posted by: Nosher (Aug 21, 2010 09:10AM)
Yes, they are counted, but they don't get included in final vote tally. Last election I think they were around 4% for the House of Reps, a bit less for the Senate.

The Reps have a preferential system of voting so sometimes candidates win on the primary vote being over 50% and sometimes by preferences from other candidates.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Aug 21, 2010 10:35AM)
I'm not a fan of the idea, but if you're happy with it, more power to ya!
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Aug 21, 2010 11:16AM)
I think it's a good idea

in my experience a lot of smart people don't vote, maybe now if they did they would get what they want!
people don't vote sometimes because they don't want to vote for anyone, go and spoil the ballot. if the number of people who didn't vote spoiled the ballots, i.e. over 50% they might rethink who was running!

also I think people can't complain about a government if they haven't voted (at least go and spoil the ballot) and also if the person was elected in the system they have set up.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Aug 21, 2010 11:37AM)
Good idea, except in this age of computer ballot fraud.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 21, 2010 11:44AM)
No matter what idiot you vote for there today the Communist Green Party are going to be the king makers by all accounts, so you might as well not vote and go to jail because thatís where you are going anyway.
Message: Posted by: Nosher (Aug 21, 2010 11:50AM)
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On 2010-08-21 12:37, gaddy wrote:
Good idea, except in this age of computer ballot fraud.
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No computers here gaddy. Paper, pencils and cardboard booths with no curtains or handles to pull.

[img]http://imgur.com/Cd69t.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 21, 2010 12:26PM)
Is not the whole point of having a "vote" to have a choice? It seems to go against the spirit of the very process to require it.

Have at it!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 21, 2010 03:06PM)
Brings in the 'goof vote' which are people who will vote for who they think will be the funniest if they win because they usually are the worse candidates.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 21, 2010 03:18PM)
Oh great a bunch of know nothings being forced to vote for people that they never heard of. That's a sure way to get the best candidates elected.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 21, 2010 06:41PM)
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On 2010-08-21 09:16, landmark wrote:
Good idea if the no-vote ballots were counted and if they were a plurality would force a new election with new candidates.

Do they tally the no-vote ballots there?

Otherwise I think compulsory voting is a bad idea. As the saying goes, the lesser of two evils is evil.
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"Vote for Cthulu, when you're tired of the LESSER of two evils!"

"When choosing between two evils, I try to go for the one I haven't tried yet!" - Oscar Wilde
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 21, 2010 08:12PM)
I'll not vote this next election because no one running deserves my vote here in Nevada.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 21, 2010 08:33PM)
Remember that old saying "if you don't vote you can't witch". I look forward to casting my vote in the Pennsylvania senate race.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 21, 2010 08:56PM)
If they let me vote no on everyone I would....
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Aug 21, 2010 09:11PM)
Interesting election. As of last count, Labor has 70 seats, a possible Liberal-led coalition has 71 and four more are still being counted. Interesting times in Australia.

Personally, I like minority governments.

John
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 21, 2010 09:32PM)
Well, until you have a socialist majority, eh?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 22, 2010 11:14AM)
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On 2010-08-21 21:12, MagicSanta wrote:
I'll not vote this next election because no one running deserves my vote here in Nevada.
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Know nothings vote constantly Al. It is why we elect the people we do. But the beauty of America spacifically is that you can complain if you don't vote. The Constitutional right of free speech is not based on voting.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Aug 22, 2010 04:37PM)
OK, I'll state it a different way:

If you don't vote, you shouldn't complain about the government you get.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 22, 2010 04:50PM)
Again nonsense.

And Santa, I was trying to quote Al, not you.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Aug 22, 2010 06:14PM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-21 22:11, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Interesting election. As of last count, Labor has 70 seats, a possible Liberal-led coalition has 71 and four more are still being counted. Interesting times in Australia.

Personally, I like minority governments.

John
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This afternoon Destiny liked minority governments, too. What has changed?

John
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 22, 2010 06:24PM)
I know Danny....I'z can figure stuff out!

The Australian minority govt had it removed and have started rounding people up.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Aug 23, 2010 03:48AM)
I did mention socialism and various aspects of it that have general and bipartisan support here - obviously I should have stuck to subjects people disagree on. :)

I do think minority government will be good for Australia, and I have a huge preference for which minority that should be.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 23, 2010 05:24PM)
Is anyone else besides me bothered that the voter in the photo above is orange?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 23, 2010 05:43PM)
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On 2010-08-23 04:48, Destiny wrote:
I did mention socialism and various aspects of it that have general and bipartisan support here - obviously I should have stuck to subjects people disagree on. :)

I do think minority government will be good for Australia, and I have a huge preference for which minority that should be.
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By minority government I assume you are refering to being governed by the Aborigines right?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 23, 2010 06:23PM)
Yeah! Aboriginies for Australia!

I had a shipmate married to an Aborigine woman. She was far from attractive and had the scars etc. When you talked to her the voice that came out was just like Olivia Newton John, it was very odd, she was one hell of a nice woman.