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Topic: DC C&R Rope Table
Message: Posted by: rcarmichael (Aug 24, 2010 08:28PM)
Hello all,
There has been a discussion on TMC about this, however I thought I would narrow down my question slightly more.
In David Copperfields Cut and Restored Rope Routine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytqI9QXWvco) he uses a Table which prevents Scissors from being picked up from the Table, except when DC wants it to.
I am simply wondering how strong (KG) the E******M***** must be in order to keep the Scissors from being picked up.
I am hoping to make my own table with this "Gimmick".
Any assistance you can offer is much appreciated.
Sincere regards,
Ryan Carmichael
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 24, 2010 10:06PM)
Welcome to the Café, and I hope you enjoy your visit to Café, you should read some of the rules of the Café as well, which will help you with your visits.

This is something only the builder of the prop would know. Even some of the members that have worked for Copperfield would not knot know a technical question like that. I do not believe that this table is available as a commercial item. There are no plans and I do not believe it is generally known who made the one Copperfield uses.

Secondly, many members do not advocate coping professional magicians equipment.

Third, we cannot discuss secrets in an open forum on the Café. When you get 50 posts you may try again in the Banquet area of the Café, that is more private and does not show up on the internet google.
Message: Posted by: rcarmichael (Aug 25, 2010 02:36AM)
Hi wmhegbli,
I apologise. I was only looking for Technical Information, not necessarily about the prop itself, but just in general - i.e. how much force would be required to hold down an item – a physics question more than anything. I did not try to invoke the discussion of secrets in this forum.
I understand that the copying of illusions is not endorsed; I just felt that using such a prop for my own purposes would be something like all the magicians that use a Subtrunk.
Again I apologise for and misunderstanding.
Sincere regards,
Ryan Carmichael
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Aug 29, 2010 08:56AM)
Thanks, Ryan, for an interesting vid. It does get the mind to thinking to watch a master take an old, old concept and make it work so well,,,

Jim
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Aug 30, 2010 04:18PM)
I agree, Jim!

And Ryan, as far as I know, this is a routine exclusive to D.C.. The rope routine is obviously old, but the method used to hold the scissors you described, is not correct. That is all I can say about that. There are many ways to do what you want. I would advise a Google search, or even search the Banquet Room (after you have posted 50 or more times).

The rope routines available are plentiful. One such routine, I used for years, and never shared with anyone. I advise reading a booklet called "Hold Out Miracles" by Ed Mishell. I've just given you a valuable piece of info. I'll even tell you where to get it.

http://www.magictrickstore.com/hold-out-miracles-mishell-book-p-19884.html

For around $7, you will discover secrets above and beyond valuable. That is how my Cut & Restored Rope was done. You will find that infinitely more valuable than any table that the spectator picks up a pair of scissors from! If you still want that scissor holding method, that's fine, just search around. Good luck!

Doug
Message: Posted by: rcarmichael (Aug 30, 2010 09:49PM)
Indeed Jim, which is why I was looking for the physics behind it!
Yes Doug, I realise what other method you’re referring to, however it does seem much more difficult to implement.
The classic C&R Rope routine is such a beautiful piece of magic, and DC's act seems to bring it back up to date. It is a very comical routine, and that is why I wanted to add it to my act - however Doug, I do think you are correct, there are many ways to spice up this routine, without the use of a comedy table, and I will indeed look into that booklet. Thank you for your interest and information!
Sincere regards,
Ryan Carmichael
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Aug 31, 2010 08:02PM)
Yep, I'm going for that booklet too... thanks, Doug...
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Aug 31, 2010 10:08PM)
This rope routine was completely taken from my [i]Comedy Four Ring Routine[/i].

I am listed as a consultant at the end of the special.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Sep 1, 2010 01:05PM)
Really Whit? That's fantastic! The few years that I worked with the Copperfield crew, I just met him a couple of times. To be credited as a consultant! Wow. Good for the resume!

Doug
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Sep 2, 2010 05:26PM)
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On 2010-08-31 23:08, Whit Haydn wrote:
This rope routine was completely taken from my [i]Comedy Four Ring Routine[/i].
[/quote]

First, I don't doubt you, but I distinctly remember in Magic or Genii that they were hanging out/working in a hotel room and came up with a move for that routine. anybody else? Maybe I remember incorrectly?

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Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Sep 6, 2010 05:40PM)
My ring routine was developed in the 1960's and first published by Jay Marshall for Magic, Inc. in 1978:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-C10zSiz9o

I am sure that there was a lot of moves and ideas that were developed for this specific and really nice routine. But the basic theatrical/comedic premise of the magician thinking that the spectator is keeping up with him as he teaches and repeats variations of the same trick is mine.

Dai Vernon said it was the first truly "original comedy premise" he had seen in thirty years.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Sep 8, 2010 08:17PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-06 18:40, Whit Haydn wrote:

I am sure that there was a lot of moves and ideas that were developed for this specific and really nice routine. But the basic theatrical/comedic premise of the magician thinking that the spectator is keeping up with him as he teaches and repeats variations of the same trick is mine.

[/quote]

I certainly see the similarity in that sense. The "roping" in the spectator, the cut & restore, with repeated "equalizing" cuts, and the spectator also restoring the rope was also done by Shigeo Tackegi(sp), but I don't know the date.