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Topic: Where did you get your rabbit?
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 3, 2010 12:44PM)
I am trying to buy a rabbit and haven't had too much luck. I would like a dwarf hotot but can't find any breeders or pet stores near me that carries them. I went to two different rescues and both wouldn't let me adopt because I am a magician.

If you could share with me where you bought your rabbit I would greatly appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: revmike (Sep 3, 2010 06:49PM)
One was from the local humane society and the other was a baby at the Pet Store.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 3, 2010 07:52PM)

Did the local humane society give you any grief about using the rabbit in your show? Or were you able to keep that info from them?
Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Sep 3, 2010 08:24PM)
Paul.... I actually bought mine direct from a breeder. I had to search the web for my breed, then drove to location after talks. The plus factor for us is we use them as an educational aspect in our program, We let the breeder know we were using them in a show, let them know the rabbit will be getting lots of attention (petting time from our fair patrons). We also let then know that we were getting a license from the USDA which means living quarter inspections, and a vet visit each year. These are all legitimate on our end. If this isn't enough info on a good reputation as an animal owner for your animal rescue..... then it may just be an element of these folks not liking magicians that use animals.

I have seen some magicians really mishandle the animals, either by mishandling the rabbit by their method of picking up the rabbit, or worse. I know sometimes I cringe when I see someone produce a dove with a harness, only to yo=yo the dove because they pull to hard or not enough practice. Sad to watch the dove flipping around while the magician tries to get the bird to perch on his hand?????? This could be the view or opinion of these animal rescues. I wonder if they had recieved any animals from magicians.

Have you asked what their issue was? I actually got my breed from Michigan as well direct from the breeder. Try the fair or festivals when they are showing their livestock. Someone in these showings can help you find a breeder. Let me know what you come up with! Just talk to these folks and let them know exactly what you will be doing with these critters. They need to know that you are not just treating these animals as props, but more like family.. once again,,, wish you the best.

Oh ya, check into FFA ( future farmers of america) 4-H as well these are good sources when the fairs and festivals have already gone by.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 3, 2010 10:41PM)
Thanks for taking the time to post such a long response tropicalillusions. The one rescue called using a rabbit in a magic show "exploitation." The other rescue place figured out I was a magician I assume because of my email address. They wanted a guarantee that I wouldn't use the rabbit I got from them in a show.
You are right that this animal will not just be used as a prop but will be my pet. I plan on working with the bunny and trying to train it. If I am going to put all that time and energy into training an animal why in the world would I mistreat it. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I have searched on google for the breed I want and cannot find any local breeders. The dwarf hotot is hard to come by apparently.
I am similar to you in that the bunny I get will be used in my school assembly reading show so it is for a good cause.:)
Message: Posted by: ERIC (Sep 4, 2010 12:46AM)
I have always had luck by contacting the local 4H. They always have folks that raise rabbits as part of their training, and you can get just about any breed you want. They are, in some ways, better than breeders as they really care for and love what they do. They are not in it for the money, but will sell to someone who will care for the rabbit.

I have had great luck with Netherland Dwarfs and Holland Lops, and have used both male and females. I believe that their disposition will depend on YOU, and the more you handle and love them, the calmer they are.

I just retired my Holland lop "Snowball" as she is going blind and is 9 years old. I have a set of 5 year old black and white twins that I used for stage shows only to "Transport" from one side of the stage to the other. One is "Black" the other is "Jack", but the audience knows my "ONE" rabbit as "Blackjack". I am now breaking them into my regular show, but will soon be looking for another pure white, blue eyed Lop.

I hope this info helps you to locate the "Bunny" you are looking for.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 4, 2010 08:24AM)
Thanks Eric, I will look into the local 4H.
Message: Posted by: Whitewolfny (Sep 5, 2010 07:32AM)
I was wondering how big is too big for a rabbit. I was surfing the web and found Flemish Rabbits. They are huge! Some tip the scales past 20 pounds. I'm a big man, 6'4" and well let's say full figured. I grew up with the old adage "bigger is better." For someone my size to produce a little two-pound rabbit would look silly I think.
On the other hand (are five more fingers) the size of this rabbit would require a huge production or vanish apparatus. I understand there would be a lot of issues involved having a rabbit this size. And yes, this animal as any of my other pets, would become a member of the family, not just a prop. I'm not planning on running out and buying one now, it was just an idea. What do you think.

Braxton in Argyle NY
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 5, 2010 09:15AM)
I think your question would be better posted here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=23619&forum=13
Message: Posted by: revmike (Sep 5, 2010 12:12PM)
The Humane society did question me briefly about being a magician. But I had adopted other animals there, I explained the Rabbit would be well-cared for and be a pet, not a simple "magic prop".

It probably didn't hurt my chances that I happened to be in my clergy collar at the time also. But yes, they did allow me to adopt the rabbit. However, I have also heard from others who have been denied at various places when it is discovered they are magicians.

Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 5, 2010 01:38PM)
I'm glad I'm not the only one revmike.
Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Sep 5, 2010 09:18PM)
Paul, Keep searching. you may have to travel a bit to get that special one you are looking for. we are based out of Oklahoma and drove to michigan to pick up from our breeder. Once she heard about the educational program, she even gave us 50 percent off the price. Our rabbit that was registered went for 100 smackers, got her for 50.... . the drive was actually on our way through a road tour, so we really did not go out of our way.

remind your breeder, that you will be treating this critter as family, and will be a spokesperson for great animal care and treatment of pets while presenting your family pet to thousands upon thousands of children each year. reminding them of the importance of taking great care of your personnal pets..

this animal will be getting tons of attention, which is better than setting in a hot cage as a feeder rabbit or getting no attention at all. Go get em
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Sep 5, 2010 09:54PM)
Hi Paul.
Don't tell the breeder that you are a magician. My deceased Lucy was bought from a breeder. She thought I wanted her for a house pet. In fact, that is really is.
Present Lucy was from a pet shop.They didn't care if I was a magician or not.
I thought Michigan had quite a few breeders. Maybe rabbits are not dropping at this time.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 5, 2010 10:06PM)
I didn't think Michigan had any breeders for dwarf hotot. I just found a site tonight that shows a few in Michigan. I contacted them to see if they currently raise dwarf hotot and look forward to hearing back from them hopefully tomorrow. Thanks all.

Message: Posted by: Thom Bliss (Sep 13, 2010 07:36PM)
I got my current "Trixie" from a pet store -- after Easter. Hard to believe that such an adorable little animal was an Easter bunny reject.

Then I learned that I could actually rescue a full-grown rabbit from a local (ethnic) butcher for less than I paid for the bunny.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 13, 2010 08:44PM)
I believe I found my rabbit. I am meeting the breeder in Ohio (4.5 hours away) to pick her up on Saturday.
Message: Posted by: LVMagicAL (Sep 14, 2010 01:30AM)
I've got both a Hotot dwarf male and a Netherland dwarf female. This is the second Netherland Dwarf I've had and in my case, the Netherlands were sweeter and easier to work with than the Hotot. It's just a personality thing (in my opinion). Each received similar handling and loving, but the Netherlands just seem to have had better dispositions (in my experience). Put me down as a Netherland dwarf fan.


Oh....found my latest Netherland Dwarf on Craigs list and paid $20 as compared to the $60 to $100 they sell for at the pet stores. Breeders in our area normally sell them for $45 - $75.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 18, 2010 05:51AM)
I am about to leave to get my new rabbit. I will post pics later on.
Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Sep 19, 2010 12:17PM)
Congrats to you my friend !
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 19, 2010 02:34PM)
Here is a pic of my new friend.
Message: Posted by: greatscott (Sep 19, 2010 02:48PM)
Nice looking rabbit Paul. I hope it works well for you. Take good care of it.

Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Sep 19, 2010 03:21PM)
Talk about abuse,,, he already has a black eye...... OK just seriously kidding here folks. after all the animal abuse chatter I thought the black eye was IRONIC... OK but not funny. but congrats Paul on your new family member. I can tell by all you went thru to find and adopt him, all will be well, and this guy will be spoiled.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 19, 2010 03:45PM)
Thanks guys. Any advice on how to get him to stop scratching/kicking?
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 19, 2010 05:25PM)
I will actually start a thread on my above post. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: greatscott (Sep 19, 2010 05:32PM)
Rabbits generally scratch/kick for a couple of reasons. The first reason would be if they do not feel secure in the way they are being held, they will kick in an attempt to get a better footing. Another reason is simply the fact that the rabbit in question is not used to being held. I raise rabbits, and have seen this many times, in rabbits that I don't handle as much as I should. The best cure for that is to simply hold the rabbit every day, for a fairly long perid of time. (15-30 minutes, or longer). When you hold it, keep it close to your body, with one hand securely under it's feet, and the other hand around it's body. At first, the rabbit will still kick, and fight your efforts, but it will, eventually calm down, and get used to the attention. The more you handle it, the better it will act.
Let me know how things work out.
Message: Posted by: boppies2 (Sep 19, 2010 09:06PM)

I ditto your remarks. Interesting that I suggested the same on another post to Paul.

I believe that holding and making sure that the bunny feels secure and protected will settle him down in time.

Message: Posted by: MagicB1S (Sep 29, 2010 08:24PM)
I will also second the suggestions above. I set with my rabbit everyday on my lap. I pet her softly and talk to her. this helps with the bonding process. I also let my rabbit run free for a while around the house ( Keep a good eye on them as they like to chew electric cords) when it is snack time I hold the snack in my hand and feed it to her from the hand (again it gets the rabbit to trust you) I also put her in the magic prop for a few minutes each day. I don't necessarily do the trick with her every day I just sit her in there and let her walk around, keeping her use to the illusion.
Message: Posted by: crochow (Oct 22, 2010 12:15AM)
There many rabbit breeders at the local couny fair. If the fair is over, go to the fair's office for a list of the breeders that were showing at this past years fair.
Message: Posted by: jem368 (Dec 13, 2010 04:14AM)
^Agreed. I got mine at the local county fair and my other at the state fair (New York).
Message: Posted by: mysterious JO (Jan 10, 2011 12:05PM)
I got my first one from a friend then she died on me then I got another one from a local pet store as a tiny little thing he was only 4 weeks old when I got him and he is almost 2 yrs old now!
Message: Posted by: revmike (Jan 10, 2011 12:53PM)
Another possiblity is if you have local auctions, ie farmer markets and auctions. Many times they have small livestock for sale, various birds, rabbits, chickens, ducks, etc.
Message: Posted by: Greg Moreland (Mar 18, 2011 04:42AM)
I have a regular connection with a breeder in my hometown. But if I get stuck w/o a bunny away from home, I'll call/go to a feed store and they can tell me who the local breeders are. I find this much better than going to pet stores, as the breeders often have hundreds of bunnies to choose from. (And if they're raising them for food - you're doing a wonderful thing by rescuing them!)

You can't fly bunnies into any of the Tahitian Islands, so when I fly there to join a cruise ship (which is at least once/year), they fly me in a couple days early to find bunnies there. This is no joke - they always put me in the same hotel, and I've established a connection with the farm that sells rabbits to the hotel restaurant! I feel good about saving a couple rabbits and giving them a long happy life. (When I fly home a few months later, I usually give them away to one of the port agents I've gotten to know.)

Un-doctored photos of the the bunnies I had on a ship this past summer - amazing how they did EVERYTHING together:
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Apr 1, 2011 09:23AM)
I would have had a very hard time leaving these rabbits