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Topic: Sujan Location Cards
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 9, 2010 04:39PM)
Does anyone know who still sells the 5-6 color cards used in Corinda's 13 Steps?

Thanks in advance.

Message: Posted by: Mentalist Sam (Sep 9, 2010 05:15PM)
The last dealer I saw who had these was Chazpro - [url]http://www.chazpro.com[/url], however I don't see it on his site now. It may be worth a call to double check.

These aren't that difficult to make and Osterlind explains how on the 13 Steps DVDs. I made my own set and they work great.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 9, 2010 06:55PM)
Thanks Sam, I will call them.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 10, 2010 12:36AM)
Well, I purchased heavyweight construction paper at the store. Nice colors and all but this will not work. Mentalist Sam, I am not able to PM you.
If you or anyone knows the brand of paper I need, please advise. Thank you.

Message: Posted by: Zebaztian (Sep 10, 2010 01:51AM)
Why are the papers you bought not working?
Message: Posted by: J.Warrens (Sep 10, 2010 02:15AM)
We are discussing the Fillman principle here, are we not?

Message: Posted by: Garrad (Sep 10, 2010 03:09AM)
If so then I believe it works best with card and not paper. I bought some plain ones from Chazpro and they are card.
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Sep 10, 2010 03:39AM)
Yes, it's the Fillman principle. I used to go through the trouble of making them, but it's a lot easier and less time consuming just to buy them. If you want to do the effect as Osterlind did, simply stick a colored sticker to the cards. I buy the blank ones. I won't mention the commercial name here on the open forum, but if you want to know more, PM me. They're worth the price and come with several routines.
Message: Posted by: Mentalist Sam (Sep 10, 2010 09:12AM)
You need to buy poster board, that's what Osterlind used on the 13 Steps DVDs. If I remember correctly, I bought a multi-colored pack at Walgreens.

I pm'd you with more exact details about making these.
Message: Posted by: Darby (Sep 10, 2010 10:07AM)
I'm curious too. After watching the Osterlind DVDs I went out and bought colored poster boards. It's difficult (barely perceptible) to figure it out by themselves. Once I put them in envelopes I was completely lost. It may be the envelopes are too thick themselves. I didn't know if I should 'make my own' cards like Osterlind describes how some people do, but start with the poster boards like Osterlind describes and then add the extra materials to the outside (I'm trying not to give away the 'secret' here). I have had good success with the CMR that Osterlind shows with it - but if anyone has helpful hints on how to make Sujan Location work, I'm VERY interested.
Message: Posted by: oralroberts (Sep 10, 2010 10:18AM)
Royal Magic stock this. "Feel-a-Color"

Hope this helps.

Message: Posted by: Mentalist Sam (Sep 10, 2010 11:14AM)
I didn't have the same experience as Darby did. My cards work fine. Poster board from Walgreens and coin envelopes from Office Depot.

I'm all for making it yourself if you can, this way you become your own resource for it, especially with an effect like this where you have to replace the cards as they wear out.

That being said, the Feel-A-Color product is probably just as good and cheap!

Under $2.00 from either Penguin or TrickShopMagic in Temecula:



At that price you can probably stock up enough to last you for years.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 10, 2010 01:47PM)
Thanks much to everyone here. I tried and did make them but for me at least, it is not 100 pct as Darby stated above. I bought poster board also (paper of course did not work). I wonder if the feel a color works better. Perhaps a person needs calibrated fingertips for this to work.

Sam, thanks for PM and your help. At least I have a lot of poster board for the kids:) I guess I will try the ones for sale on penguin. Shipping is three times what they cost. :lol:

PS: This is a great for the Living and Dead test also if I can only get it to work.

Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Sep 10, 2010 04:23PM)
This may be off-the-wall, but it may be worth a try to double up the board. The discrepancy may be magnified, who knows.

Also, I have found that some mfgr's operate on the 90, and some on the 45. I've always liked the 45 best.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 10, 2010 08:25PM)
Thanks Tom....I hope these arrive shortly before I run out of cash. :lol:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 11, 2010 09:49AM)
For those who have owned the commercial and homemade versions; please tell me that I did not waste my money and time buying the commercial version. I mean if I still have problems telling the difference in the sides, this endeavor will prove untrustworthy at best.


Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Sep 11, 2010 12:51PM)

Sent you a PM that should solve your problem.


Bob Cassidy
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 11, 2010 03:57PM)
Thanks much Bob.......

Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 13, 2010 12:33AM)
It would be so nice to see the fillman principle applied to ESP cards!
Message: Posted by: Darby (Sep 13, 2010 09:58AM)
Decomposed -
I think Bob has given you the necessary information to make a set of ESP cards that would work - but they would need to have the symbol on both sides of the card - so you'd need to think if you can create an effect with that.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 14, 2010 04:31AM)
Boy, this effect is evolving! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 15, 2010 04:09PM)
Got the cards from Penguin. Great customer service.

They work but very small cards. I had ordered these before I knew the secret to making them.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Sep 15, 2010 04:20PM)
I discussed this type of card/billet in the "Invisible Billet" teleseminar I did with Michael Weber. I have also included it in my lecture.

I have found that blank cards of this type are excellent in living/dead type routines. The problem with the original Feel-A-Color approach is that attention is drawn to the fact that one card is turned over. The lack of a logical disconnect is what made it a basically weak effect.

Good thoughts,