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Topic: Dupes by Gary Jones and Chris Congreave
Message: Posted by: mayniac (Sep 13, 2010 06:52PM)
[b]Dupes by Gary Jones [i]and[/i] Chris Congreave[/b]

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[b]Price:[/b] $29.99 (Plus a penny for tax)

[b]Where:[/b] [url=http://www.bigblindmedia.com/dupes.htm]Big Blind Media[/url] (Soon from all other good magic distributors)

[b]Quality:[/b] This dvd has the same high picture quality that I have come to expect from Big Blind Media. The music is good and not overpowering at all. Also, no crazy, super flashy editing; just good, professional, slick-looking editing.

[b]Menu:[/b] I liked the menu on this dvd a lot because of the absolute simplicity of it. The main menu is a black background with an ongoing video of Gary or Chris quietly doing some flourishes, and in the lower right corner are just three options: Play All, Chapters, and Extra Credits.

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I just really liked the navigability and simplicity of it all. Plus it made it very easy to go from performance to explanation.

[b]Performances:[/b] The performances are done in a warehouse-type setting, which has been used in several other BBM productions. Everything is well lit, and the background does not distract the eye. Of course, Gary and Chris are the ones performing, and also participating as spectators. In some cases Iain Moran is used also as a spectator. Personally I probably would've preferred an actual layman to be used in the performances, because often times Chris or Gary would not actually perform things like controls in the routine because they were "just showing it to a magician." This distracted from the performances IMO.

[b]Teaching:[/b] The teaching was good, but it does move quite swiftly, which if you're a beginner, you may not enjoy. As an intermediate magician I actually [i]really[/i] appreciated this speed because they did not take my time up explaining basic things like tilt, a DL, the Hofzinzer cull, controls, forces, etc. So if you are a beginner, do not buy this dvd. If you already have a firm grasp of card magic and how it is to be performed, and are looking for some awesome new material, check this dvd out! Personally, I enjoyed the teaching quite a bit.

[b][i]My Rating System-[/i][/b]

I rate on a scale of 1 to 5. It is broken down like this:

5-Awesome
4-Great
3-Okay
2-Bad
1-Awful

Now that you know my rating system, I’ll give my thoughts on each of the effects presented on Dupes!

[b]The Effects:[/b]

[b]Almost CAAN:[/b] A card is freely selected and just as freely returned by the spectator while the deck is on the table, [i]and[/i] you are looking away. They square the deck, you give the pack a couple of cuts. The spectator names any number from 1-52 and [i]they[/i] count down to the number. Impossibly, the card at the selected number is the chosen card! Different cards are seen throughout, and a bonus little ace production is taught, which can be done as a prelude to this effect (and is used elsewhere in the dvd). Everything looks VERY clean and hands-off. My favorite thing about this routine is the wonderful subtlety that Gary uses to make the effect so much more convincing. Great start to the dvd! 4/5

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[b]Kicked Right Back:[/b] Two queens are taken out, and then two cards are selected and subsequently returned to the deck. The queens are replaced on top of the deck and the two selected cards appear face-down between them. The spectator takes out the selected cards to turn them over, but when they do, they instantly change into the queens that were still on the deck! Now you have the selected cards! This is a pretty simple sandwich routine handling, however, the ending does make this fun and surprising for the spectators (Surprise is always a good thing to include in your magic). For that reason, this could be a memorable routine. IMO it's a little too short to stand on it's own, though. I'm not so sure I would carry around the extra cards just for this in a table-hopping situation, but perhaps for a set show. 3/5

[b]Joker Surprise:[/b] A card is selected and shuffled into the deck (possibly by a spectator). You attempt to find the card and...well I don't want to discuss what happens next on a public forum because it is such a simple idea that a knowledgeable magician could copy from my description. Anyway, the card he/she selected ends up being the only one that's not a joker. The real lesson in this effect is in the presentation. The effect is SO simple from a technical standpoint, yet the presentation makes it one of those things that can be really entertaining and memorable (which should be what we're aiming for) for the audience! The only downside is that you must devote one deck to this one effect. Don't overlook this one, no matter how straightforward it may seem. You won't appear to be a miracle worker, but rather, an [i]entertainer[/i]. 4/5

[b]C2B (with Zilcho Palm):[/b] A card is selected, replaced, etc. The black aces are then placed half-way into the case and the red aces set aside. The spectator pushes in the black aces and closes the flap. Instantly, the red aces transform into the black aces! When the spectator opens up the box, inside they find three cards; the red aces and the spectator's signed card in between! I LOVE this effect! This is a true worker that I can see many close-up guys using all the time (I know I will). There's no set-up and as a bonus, Gary teaches a just-as-good version with no duplicate cards whatsoever! It should also be mentioned that the "Zilcho Palm" simply means that there is no palming involved. Super convincing, easy, and impossible. Awesome effect! 5/5

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[b]Packed Wallet:[/b] Two cards are selected, signed and replaced. After some cuts and shuffles, one of the signed cards appears in your left pocket. You then reach in your right pocket and hand your wallet to a spectator telling him that the card is inside. When he opens it, he finds the entire deck! In your hand is only the selected card! This is a great take on a very novel idea (first conceived by Simon Lovell). There's one move here that may be kind've angly and bold, but it can be done with some misdirection on your part. There's a nice added feature to this effect, which I won't talk about, but it's something I thought was pretty clever. Packed Wallet is surprising, quick and an effect that I think spectators will have a very strong reaction to. 4/5

[b]Pocket Aces:[/b] The four aces are produced from the deck and then placed into various sections of the pack. The deck is shuffled, and when you reach into your pocket, there are four face-down cards inside! The deck is spread and the aces are no longer there, however when you turn over the face-down cards, they're the kings! The aces then appear inside the [i]spectator's[/i] own pocket! Wow this one really surprised me! I think your spectators will be genuinely surprised at the outcome of the effect. The method is very practical, and you don't have to try to sneak aces into some guys coat across the room before your show. A pickpocketing theme would go excellently with this effect and I think I will have a LOT of fun with this! The only problem is that sometimes you will not really be able to perform this unless your spectator has certain types of clothing (like jackets) on. Personally, this is something I am going to be excited to use. 5/5

[b]The Big Transpo:[/b] A card is selected, signed, etc. You attempt to find the card with a few cuts, but instead you find the wrong card. This card is placed aside, and you reach inside your pocket saying that the selected card has jumped inside. When the card is pulled out, it is the same card that you just placed on the table! The card on the table then changes to the selected card. IMO the use of a duplicate in this effect just isn't that worth it. The exact same effect can be easily done with just sleight of hand. Mike Power's has a great effect called Expert Cards to Pocket that has a similar plot, except with 5 phases, more sleight-of-hand, and two selected cards. It should be noted that this effect can be used as a way to ring in a duplicate. If that is your motive, then you may end up using this. 3/5

[b]Jump Back Sandwich:[/b] Two jokers are set aside, and a card is selected, signed, etc. Instantly, the signed card appears in between the two jokers on the table. The signed card is then visibly placed into the middle of the deck as the jokers are given to a spectator to hold in their hands. The cards are riffled and the signed card appears in between the jokers again! This is a nice two phase sandwich routine that has good spectator interaction, and I imagine would get a big reaction as a result. Something to keep in mind though, you do ruin a card every time (Meaning you can't use the same dupe again and again). You don't end completely clean, either. If those factors don't bother you too much, then you may use this a lot. Perhaps putting a little sticker on the card for the spectator to initial would solve the first issue. I really like this though, and I DO want to use this. 4/5

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[b]Sucker Deal:[/b] A card is selected, replaced and shuffled into the deck by the spectator. You then take out one card and place it face-down on the table, but before you turn it over, you want to make sure the card isn't in the deck. So you start to deal the cards face-up, but the chosen card shows up as one of the first cards you deal. The magician, dismayed, has the spectator turn over the tabled card. Surprisingly it is now the selected card, and the card the magician was holding has turned into the indifferent card. In other words, it's a novel, magician-messes-up-and-then-makes-things-right, transposition effect. It does do a good job of making you, the magician, look like you're able to do impossible things, no matter what goes wrong. This won't really blow you away, but it is a fun piece of magical entertainment for your spectators. 3/5

[b]Box Sitter:[/b] A card is selected, signed and put back. The two jokers, which you set aside earlier, are shown. The card box is lifted cleanly and a face-down card is seen underneath. When it is turned over with the two jokers (so you never touch the card), it is the signed card. As Gary and Chris state, this can be done as either a mystery card presentation of a card-under-box, teleportation type effect. Either way it looks quite clean. This is another practical real-world effect that I think I'm going to use. I think it would be difficult for a spectator to ever backtrack how you did this effect, since everything just seems so fair and clean. It's very easy to do as well. 5/5

[b]Pocket Interchange[/b] (3 Versions): All of these versions have about the same effect, however the method for each varies slightly. The basic effect for all three versions is that the four aces are placed into four different pockets, and the kings are left on the table. They then instantly switch places, with the aces on the table and the kings in your pockets. Now let's look at the individual methods...
---[b]Original:[/b] Uses one duplicate, and is, in my opinion, the cleanest of the three. There's no palming, sneaky moves, gaff cards, etc. This is definitely the one I'll be doing the most out of the three. Plus, it's a great way to get a dupe out of play.
---[b]No Dupe:[/b] This is Gary's "purist" way of doing this without a dupe. The basic mechanics are the same as the previous, except with an added move. Chris does offer an idea that wouldn't involve that move however. Although this may seem cleaner in [i]method[/i] to you, to the spectators it is not as clean of an effect as just using a dupe.
---[b]Sticky:[/b] This is the one I was least impressed with. Really, the addition of the gimmick used here did not make the effect cleaner at all IMO. Chris looked much more cramped when performing this version. Plus you need a dupe [i]and[/i] a gimmick for this. It's just not worth the effort of adding the gimmick.

[b]Lee Smith's Predicto-Pocket:[/b] The back of an odd-backed prediction card, marked "PREDICTION," is shown and placed back into your pocket. Then a card is selected and signed on the face by a spectator. The deck is shuffled and cut before you pull out the prediction card again. Impossibly the prediction card is the same signed card from earlier! The spectator can keep this card as a souvenir. The presentation Gary has for this is very unique and could have a huge impact on the spectators. It's a simple and direct effect for your spectator's to follow. Gary taught a useful move here that I did not know before, as well. As long as you carry around a small group of cards, you can do this many times during walk-around with almost no reset. I thought this was very good. 5/5

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[b]Hypno-Tastic:[/b] A card is selected and shuffled into the pack by the spectator. When attempting to find the card, you narrow it down to two cards. You ask the spectator to hold out both arms and hold on card in each hand face-down. Next, one of his/her arms starts to become heavier and heavier, until it is pinned against the table. The card in that hand is the selected card (The other is indifferent). This is a GREAT way to start doing hypnosis. It's extremely simple, it always works, and I think this could really freak a spectator out. Again, this is a routine I instantly thought, "Okay, I HAVE to do that." Cool routine to end the dvd! 5/5

[b]Overall:[/b]

There is a lot of great, practical, solid material on this dvd! Again and again I kept finding things that I wanted to use! The only question is, which one should I work on first? :D There wasn't really anything on here that I just thought was useless or filler. It seemed like Chris and Gary have actually used these routines (and continue to) in the real-world. In fact, looking back at my review, I realize that I have a lot of 5/5 ratings, but I truly think those effects DESERVE 5/5's! That testifies to the quality of the dvd.

As I said earlier, if you're an intermediate magician interested in card magic, you should definitely think about getting this dvd. I'm sure happy I have it! :D

What They Say:
[quote]Gary Jones and Chris Congreave have a sterling reputation as WORKING magicians. The material they create and perform is the sort of stuff you WILL WANT TO DO AND AUDIENCES LOVE TO SEE!

DUPES is an entire DVD devoted to one of their favourite ideas – using duplicate cards to create perfect miracles. With a heap of insights and sneaky ideas to elevate this underused ruse, you will have your jaw pinned to the floor as you watch the genius ideas these two have laid down for you. Easy, performable, entertaining magic!

Grab ONE deck and a few extra duplicate cards and you have a veritable arsenal of magic at your fingertips. No more pockets bulging with decks only capable of unleashing ONE trick.

Nearly CAAN
Kicked Right Back
Joker Surprise
C2B (with zilcho palm)
Packed Wallet
Pocket Aces
The Big Transpo
Sucker Deal
Box Sitter
Pocket Interchange (3 versions)
Lee Smith’s Predicto-Pocket
Hypno-tastic[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Lee Smith (Sep 14, 2010 03:19AM)
Great review,

I have not seen all the material yet, but Gary and Chris showed me some a while back and I have been using it since, its just brilliant.

I was working with Gary yesterday and the effects on layman play fantastic. Very strong magic that's not diffcult to do (the best kind)

I am looking forward to seeing the full DVD.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 14, 2010 03:38AM)
Thank you mayniac for such a great and thorough review, very kind of you to take the time and trouble. Love you site by the way!

Lee, it was an honour as usual gigging with you and all the celebrities at that gig, wasn't Jonathan Ross a real nice guy! I used three effects from Dupes, did you hear that woman actually scream out loud when I performed Hypno-tastic on her haha!

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: mayniac (Sep 14, 2010 02:38PM)
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On 2010-09-14 04:38, gjmagic wrote:
Thank you mayniac for such a great and thorough review, very kind of you to take the time and trouble. Love you site by the way!

Lee, it was an honour as usual gigging with you and all the celebrities at that gig, wasn't Jonathan Ross a real nice guy! I used three effects from Dupes, did you hear that woman actually scream out loud when I performed Hypno-tastic on her haha!

Gary Jones.
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Haha it's always awesome to hear stories where the creators are truly WORKING the routines they put out to the magic community! It certainly provides reassurance that this stuff does work, and it works exceptionally well!

And thanks for the nice comment on my site!
Message: Posted by: John Carey (Sep 15, 2010 01:19PM)
Good luck with the project guys.

All the best

John
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 15, 2010 06:39PM)
Quote:

On 2010-09-15 14:19, John Carey wrote:
Good luck with the project guys.

All the best

John
[/quote]

That's very kind of you to say John. I've put your idea on the DVD mate, you know, your version of Hypno-tastic with a straight deck (no dupes), thank you for letting me share this great idea of yours.

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 16, 2010 09:55AM)
Chris and Gary,

Good luck with what sounds like a great project! For anybody that wants to see my original Packed Wallet it's in Simon Says and on the Methods Behind the Madness DVD's.

I hope you sell a ton of this new one!

Simon
Message: Posted by: Christopher Congreave (Sep 16, 2010 10:09AM)
Thanks Simon, I love your book Simon Says and it is one of the books on my shelf that I keep going back to and re-reading. Packed wallet is one of my favourite routines in the book and is obviously my inspiration on this DVD.

Thanks for your good wishes, that means a lot to me.

All the best.

Chris
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 16, 2010 08:52PM)
Glad to put a smile on your face Chris and, of course, glad that you like the book. I look forward to seeing you do some of these routines one of these days!

Simon
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Sep 18, 2010 04:45PM)
The boys have done it again
This is by far the best BBM release, in fact its in a league of its own!
Just watched it today for the first time, no fillers on here, that's for sure.
I'll be doing Joker suprise, Kicked Right Back, Lee Smith’s Predicto-Pocket and Hypno-tastic at my gigs from now on!
A huge thanks for all the effort you have both put into this project, and for sharing this true "workers" material with us all.
Nice to see the salami apperence too, no DVD should be without one! ;)
Best of luck with the sales guys, I can't wait to get performing this stuff
Cheers
Matt

http://www.mattwainwright.com
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 26, 2010 05:01AM)
Just found this review on the excellent http://www.bicycle-cards.co.uk/ site.


‘Dupes’ from BBM – a mini review - Sep 22nd, 2010

Dupes is the latest offering from BBM and as its name suggests it explores the use of duplicate cards. Gary Jones and Chris Congreave have come up with most of the material and guide you through it with the occasional appearance of Ian Morain as a spectator.

Gary and Chris have a very natural manner in their performances and explanations and the DVD is well shot and easy to navigate as we have come to expect from BBM. It seems to be less wacky than some BBM discs, with the exception of the salami moment…

What about the tricks? Here’s the contents with a few thoughts.

Nearly CAAN
A very fair looking selected card at any number and dead easy to do thanks to the use of duplicates. They also teach a little 4 ace production at the start which reappears in a couple of routines using four of a kind. I like this routine a lot, but the deck is a bit of a one-trick pony…

Kicked Right Back
A nice little sandwich effect with a surprise kick. Two cards are selected and lost in the pack. The two black queens ‘catch’ 2 cards between them – but when the cards are removed they turn out to be the two black queens, whilst the queens in the performer’s hands have turned into the selections. This is a real worker and doesn’t require too much finger-flinging for a really strong effect.

Joker Surprise
The spectator’s selection is the only card which isn’t a joker. No real surprises here for the performer, but a funny effect for a layman. Again a one-trick pony, but a nice easy effect which would play well for lay-people.

C2B with Zilcho palm
2 black aces are placed in card box. Spectator’s card ends up sandwiched between the 2 aces in the card box, and the aces have changed to red ones on the way! This, for me, is one of the strongest tricks on the disc. A lot of magic happens – it looks very fair, and requires only basic card handling – and no palming.

Packed Wallet
2 chosen and signed cards are lost in the pack. The first one is found in performer’s pocket. Second is meant to appear in his wallet, but in fact the remainder of the pack turns up in the wallet, and the selection is in the performer’s hand all along. Another strong effect with a striking twist, and also a handy way to switch in a new deck! Requires some card controls and a rather bold move, but the latter is really easier than it looks.

Pocket Aces
A nice 4 aces to spectator’s pocket. Requires palming (and again some card controls) but a helpful discussion of this to reduce your fear! I rarely use palming but think I could manage this…

The Big Transpo
Spectator’s card apparently swaps places with a card in your pocket. Also a way of introducing a duplicate card to the deck. For me this is not a particularly entertaining effect, but it is fairly easy to do.

Jump Back Sandwich
Repeated signed card to joker sandwich. The use of a duplicate allows some really clean displays but this doesn’t appeal to me as much as some of the effects.

Sucker Deal
The old ‘next card I turn over will be yours’ sucker trick – but made much more powerful and visual with a dupe… However, I wonder if the dupes are seen in too close a succession in this routine which may make the workings a bit obvious.

Box Sitter
Chosen card appears under box in impossible conditions. Very clean. I like this a lot and can see this being a worker.

Pocket Interchange – and variations
The four aces and queens change places (from pockets to table) instantaneously. Very easy handling. As well as being a nice routine, it is a useful way to ditch a dupe. After the original handling several variations are provided.

First a non-pocket handling where the packets swap places on the table. Then a no gaff (i.e. no duplicates) handling is provided – which is a slightly odd inclusion on a dupes DVD (!) – but does mean you can do the routine impromptu. This requires a bit of extra handling and a slight discrepancy, but it still works! Then there is a third handling using sticky card – which is possibly even cleaner – but is obviously more gaff-intensive. Overall, I think I like the original best.

Lee Smith’s Predicto Pocket
Another ‘impossible’ signed card trick – where the previously shown ‘prediction card’ becomes the actual signed card the spectator chose. A few subtleties with the Hindu force which are nice. Possibly my favourite trick on DVD. Does require some palming (explained).

Hypno-Tastic
An easy to perform routine incorporating some gentle hypnotism (suggestion) to lead to a really nice reveal at the end. Also an extra non-dupe version for when you’re caught on the hop… This could be a real worker for my money.

The disc ends with a brief discussion on the use of duplicates and some tips for extra convincers.

Final Thoughts
Although most of the moves required are taught, it is probably fair to say the DVD assumes basic card control – however, I emphasise the ‘basic’ here – there is nothing out of the reach of most performers (with the possible exception of the palming).

I think most people would take at least a couple of effects from this DVD to use, and it should also stimulate further ideas with this under-utilised technique. For me – if a simple ploy like a duplicate card can reduce the amount of sleight of hand and increase the wow-factor of an effect, it is worth doing.

And if you buy it direct from BBM at the moment (£19.99) they will throw in a free copy of ‘Get Connected’ (worth £15)

All the best,

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 28, 2010 09:18AM)
Another awesome review for Dupes by Akira Fist on his excellent review channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTfPrBc1u0

Check out his other reviews, Akira has a straight to the point no nonsense way about his reviews, he says it as it is!

Akira didn't like the fact that we didn't explain all the sleights we used on the DVD, in a way I can see where he's coming from, but, we didn't want to explain the basic stuff. I would say our DVD isn't aimed at the beginner because we don't explain some of the basic things like card controls, or the top change for instance, but we do teach a couple of palms and a few other sleights though.

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 28, 2010 06:05PM)
[quote]...I would say our DVD isn't aimed at the beginner because we don't explain some of the basic things like card controls, or the top change for instance, but we do teach a couple of palms and a few other sleights though.[/quote]

I think this should be mentioned in the ad. I will save a lot of heartache for the beginners.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 29, 2010 02:17PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-28 19:05, edh wrote:
[quote]...I would say our DVD isn't aimed at the beginner because we don't explain some of the basic things like card controls, or the top change for instance, but we do teach a couple of palms and a few other sleights though.[/quote]

I think this should be mentioned in the ad. I will save a lot of heartache for the beginners.
[/quote]

Hi edh,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one (in the nicest of ways by the way :)) if every DVD had to describe how to do double lifts, Elmsley counts and card controls there just wouldn't be the space to put the material on them.

We do explain sleights which are not the run of the mill standards, for instance I teach two different types of palms, and Chris teaches a couple of false counts which are not of the standard ilk!

On the DVD are a few self-workers, some intermediate and a few advanced effects, something for all levels, but even the self-workers will be enhanced with a false shuffle and a false cut!!

So no, this DVD and most other card DVDs out there are not for the complete beginner, but if you know the basics (and every magician should)then this is for you.

Hope this makes sense?

Regards,

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Oct 4, 2010 09:12PM)
Okay, I'm biased. But I think this is really good. A lot of practical tricks that WORK. Love Gary's C2B. Such a worker.

But some of the best stuff is between the tricks... between the lines. Gary and Chris have a lot of experience and their little tips on presentation are gold.
Message: Posted by: james_thecanadian_magician (Oct 5, 2010 12:43PM)
I really like the dupe version of C2B. Very nice trick.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 6, 2010 03:17AM)
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On 2010-10-05 13:43, james_thecanadian_magician wrote:
I really like the dupe version of C2B. Very nice trick.
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Thanks James!

Another way of doing this is to use your pocket, you can then let the spectator reach in and remove the cards. I prefere the card box version the best, but you can do the pocket version on the fly if someone hands you their deck (the non dupe version)and you can't get to their card box. This routine also sits nicely with other card to/under card box effects.

Kind Regards,

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Cardmagicdavid (Oct 15, 2010 02:57PM)
This Dvd is very awesome . One of the best dvds I have seen in a long time. I like many of the effects on the dvd. My 3 favourite effects have got to be, Almost CAAN, C2B and Joker Surprise
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Oct 20, 2010 05:14PM)
With all the glowing reviews I watched this & all I can say that the little something I've added thanks to this DVD is so strong even I believe it !! Reputation making stuff used correctly is devasting magic !

Great production all round from BBM !!

Well Done

Best

Mark
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Oct 22, 2010 05:21PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-29 15:17, gjmagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-09-28 19:05, edh wrote:
[quote]...I would say our DVD isn't aimed at the beginner because we don't explain some of the basic things like card controls, or the top change for instance, but we do teach a couple of palms and a few other sleights though.[/quote]

I think this should be mentioned in the ad. I will save a lot of heartache for the beginners.
[/quote]

Hi edh,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one (in the nicest of ways by the way :)) if every DVD had to describe how to do double lifts, Elmsley counts and card controls there just wouldn't be the space to put the material on them.

We do explain sleights which are not the run of the mill standards, for instance I teach two different types of palms, and Chris teaches a couple of false counts which are not of the standard ilk!

On the DVD are a few self-workers, some intermediate and a few advanced effects, something for all levels, but even the self-workers will be enhanced with a false shuffle and a false cut!!

So no, this DVD and most other card DVDs out there are not for the complete beginner, but if you know the basics (and every magician should)then this is for you.

Hope this makes sense?

Regards,

Gary Jones.
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Totally agree. If you are a beginner you should be buying Duped by Gary Jones & Chris Congreaves. You should be reading Royal Road to Card Magic or Expert Card Technique. I for one, enjoyed the fact that you guys did not explain every single little count and lift. It made the DVD [i]MUCH[/i] easier to watch than the typical magic DVD. I loved this DVD, it has practical and powerful magic contained within. This is real world material here. The older I get the more I want to use this type of material in my professional work. Why work harder than you have to? All these routines use double lifts, Elmsley Counts, etc. yet they totally destroy audiences! It's not what we do, it's [i][b]HOW[/i][/b] we do it. And this video totally proves that. I highly recommend this, it's a wonderful number. :)
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 28, 2010 04:36PM)
Thank you Aaron, I'm really pleased you enjoyed the DVD, this is a very underused branch of card magic, yet it's so devious and cunning!! I've caught out so many magicians with some of this stuff at lectures and conventions, yet when they find out that it was oh so easy they can't wait to catch other magicians themselves, what chance does the layperson have lol!

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: MagicSteve84 (Oct 28, 2010 07:02PM)
I'm sorry but I have to be honest here. I rarely post my own reviews of products but I purchased this two weeks ago based on my experience with past Gary Jones releases. To be completely honest, I was not impressed at all.

I assumed that this DVD would be packed full of effects that required one regular deck and one or two duplicate cards. I have been carrying a desk with a dupe or two for the past 5 years so I was excited when I heard about the DVD. Unfortunately it did not live up to the hype.

First off, some of the tricks didn't require a dupe or two. There were at least two tricks that I remembered that required full deck set-ups. That goes way beyond a dupe or two in my opinion. One of the tricks on the DVD even required no dupes (Pocket Interchange)....which doesn't make sense to me at all.

I also got the impression that both Gary and Chris pulled these effects together in a week or two. There was just a ton of stuff that I didn't like. I will list them all below to try and remain organized.

1) Both of them tried way too hard to be funy rather than actually teach the material. I mean come on. They made Ian sit on the floor and they were waving beef jerky sticks around and making stupid jokes about Tilts and everything. It came off as try-hard and really not genuine at all.

2) Chris was wearing a Spiderman T-shirt. Now everyone should be entitled to their own personal expressions but come on. At least dress somewhat presentable when you are creating a product that could potentially be viewed by hundreds of your peers around the world. I am not expecting a tux but I am expecting something a little more presentable.

3) Kicked Right Back is not original to either Chris or Gary. If they actually read the manual for Ryan's original Kickback effect then they would have read Paul Wilson's version of the effect that uses dupes rather than DBC's.

4) Gary used the same Ace Production several times in the DVD. When I buy a DVD I expect variety. I don't expect to see the same thing over and over again. Give me more for my money guys.

I apologize if I sound harsh but like I said, I rarely post reviews and I literally have 100's of DVD's in my collections. I was very unhappy when I saw this one. Nothing personal against Gary, Chris or BBM. They have all put out great DVD's in the past. This just definitely wasn't one of them in my opinion.

There are tons of effect's possible with Dupes.....unfortunately this DVD didn't even scratch the surface.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Oct 28, 2010 10:49PM)
Okay, I don't mean to flame but I feel compelled to challenge a few things here.

Most tricks on the dvd were tricks which involved one or two Dupes. Only two (out of 14!) required full decks but... so? They are good tricks. And no one said that EVERY trick on the dvd involved a regular deck and a dupe or two.

The strength of the material on this dvd is that it's worker's stuff. I don't agree that the effects seemed thrown together. They seemed like tricks that one would use in the real world. You basically get 14 terrific, usable effects on this dvd. I think the Interchange variations alone are worth the price of the dvd.

One question: You said you didn't like a lot of the tricks but then you basically complained about the humor and wardrobe and hardly mentioned anything about the quality of the magic. What tricks didn't you like?
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 29, 2010 03:23AM)
Hi MagicSteve84,

Just to pipe in, most of the effects just use one or two dupes, we added the Joker Surprise and Nearly CAAN as we had many requests from pros asking us if we would include them, and we also use them on a regular basis.

Now as for the non dupe Pocket Interchange version, we gave three versions, one being without a dupe, as I see it we actually gave more not less, but you can't please everyone!

OK you didn't like our humour, fair point!

I used the ace production and mentioned that you use your favourite production, the point wasn't about that (teaching ace productions), it was just to emphasise that you could do other effects before going into the explained effect, this was made clear on the DVD, I actually added the explanation of the 4 ace production as a bonus!

Nothing wrong with a spiderman t shirt, kinda digging the barrel and getting personal me thinks, check out nearly every DVD (not the L & L) and you will find that during the explanations most magicians go casual, this is Chris casual!

The salami made its return, OK you didn't like that bit, but what about the effects, as Cameron mentioned?

If the Kick Back was Paul Wilson's then I hold my hand up. I've been doing this since I read the original from Magic mag, I don't recall it being mentioned there but maybe someone will chirp in on this. I certainly wouldn't want to claim credit if it's already out there, even if I did independently come up with it.

For the record I perform C2B, Lee Smith’s Predicto Pocket, Hypno-Tastic, Pocket Interchange, Pocket Aces and Joker Surprise on a regular basis, both at gigs and at lectures, trust me I wouldn't just knock together a few effects just to make a DVD!

You're entitled to you opinion and that's fine, we can't please everyone and we know that.

Thank you for taking the time to express your opinions, really appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Gary Jones.



Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Lee Smith (Oct 29, 2010 04:49AM)
As Gary says everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think its a bit harsh to say that some of the effects looks put together in a couple of weeks? I have seen Gary and Chris slay layman with this material many times. And use much of it myself and have done for a while.

I use at least four of the effects on the DVD, and I always say if you get one or two effects from a project then its a good one, and I find much of the material on here very strong indeed.

And in regards to Chris's T Shirt he will be gutted, because many people don't know that he is in fact Peter Parker - aka SPIDER MAN!

Lee.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 29, 2010 05:44AM)
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On 2010-10-29 05:49, Lee Smith wrote:
As Gary says everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think its a bit harsh to say that some of the effects looks put together in a couple of weeks? I have seen Gary and Chris slay layman with this material many times. And use much of it myself and have done for a while.

I use at least four of the effects on the DVD, and I always say if you get one or two effects from a project then its a good one, and I find much of the material on here very strong indeed.

And in regards to Chris's T Shirt he will be gutted, because many people don't know that he is in fact Peter Parker - aka SPIDER MAN!

Lee.
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I honestly didn't know that Lee, but this would explain why Chris hangs around the red light districts in telephone boxes, to save the world lol!!

I'll be using your Predicto-Pocket at the showcase I'm doing on Monday Lee, but adding my name AND the agents contact details to the card. This is a killer effect for not only for getting your details to the spectators, but for also pushing corporate clients or their products!

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Lee Smith (Oct 29, 2010 05:52AM)
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On 2010-10-29 06:44, gjmagic wrote:
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On 2010-10-29 05:49, Lee Smith wrote:
As Gary says everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think its a bit harsh to say that some of the effects looks put together in a couple of weeks? I have seen Gary and Chris slay layman with this material many times. And use much of it myself and have done for a while.

I use at least four of the effects on the DVD, and I always say if you get one or two effects from a project then its a good one, and I find much of the material on here very strong indeed.

And in regards to Chris's T Shirt he will be gutted, because many people don't know that he is in fact Peter Parker - aka SPIDER MAN!

Lee.
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I honestly didn't know that Lee, but this would explain why Chris hangs around the red light districts in telephone boxes, to save the world lol!!

I'll be using your Predicto-Pocket at the showcase I'm doing on Monday Lee, but adding my name AND the agents contact details to the card. This is a killer effect for not only for getting your details to the spectators, but for also pushing corporate clients or their products!

Gary Jones.
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Its a great effect Gary (very strong! even if I do say so myself lol) and your input has made it even stronger and cleaner.

If you like you can put my details on there for Monday? I don't mind!

Joking aside this is great for any trade shows or corporate clients. I use it all the time.

Again, I love what you have done with it mate.

Lee.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 29, 2010 07:27AM)
Just realised what I wrote, it's Superman who uses telephone boxes, maybe Chris is hanging out in these places for other reasons (only joknig Chris lol!).
Message: Posted by: mayniac (Oct 30, 2010 07:50PM)
I disagree with what you said and I will talk about what you said point by point.

[quote]I assumed that this DVD would be packed full of effects that required one regular deck and one or two duplicate cards. I have been carrying a desk with a dupe or two for the past 5 years so I was excited when I heard about the DVD. Unfortunately it did not live up to the hype.[/quote]
About 9/14 effects fit that description. And who cares if there were some that didn't match your expectations? Variety is good, right?

[quote]First off, some of the tricks didn't require a dupe or two. There were at least two tricks that I remembered that required full deck set-ups. That goes way beyond a dupe or two in my opinion. One of the tricks on the DVD even required no dupes (Pocket Interchange)....which doesn't make sense to me at all.[/quote]
Um, the Pocket Interchange effect DID use dupes. They gave us two other versions for variety and selection! Don't complain about that! You should be glad that they did include some other options.

[quote]1) Both of them tried way too hard to be funy rather than actually teach the material. I mean come on. They made Ian sit on the floor and they were waving beef jerky sticks around and making stupid jokes about Tilts and everything. It came off as try-hard and really not genuine at all. [/quote]
Okay...and how does that affect YOUR magic? Now sure, some of the things did seem a bit silly, but once again; why does it matter? Do I care an old copy of the Jinx is slightly crinkled? No, because I care about what the material is, not how it's presented.

[quote]2) Chris was wearing a Spiderman T-shirt. Now everyone should be entitled to their own personal expressions but come on. At least dress somewhat presentable when you are creating a product that could potentially be viewed by hundreds of your peers around the world. I am not expecting a tux but I am expecting something a little more presentable.[/quote]
See my point above. However I DO agree with you that the shirt kind've bothered me too lol. But at the end of the day, what's it matter? Like the other guys said, this seemed like you were scaping the bottom of the barrel for criticism.

[quote]3) Kicked Right Back is not original to either Chris or Gary. If they actually read the manual for Ryan's original Kickback effect then they would have read Paul Wilson's version of the effect that uses dupes rather than DBC's. [/quote]
Im not familiar with the history on that effect so I won't comment.

[quote]4) Gary used the same Ace Production several times in the DVD. When I buy a DVD I expect variety. I don't expect to see the same thing over and over again. Give me more for my money guys.[/quote]
You say that you expect variety and then you ignore the variety that WAS actually given on the dvd! This ace production didn't even have to be taught! They could've just said, "Just use your favorite ace production." Instead they actually did teach a new ace production.

[quote]Give me more for my money guys.[/quote]
Seriously? They gave you a dvd with 12 effects that are currently being worked and have been worked much in the past, 2 extra ways of doing the Pocket Interchange, an extra ace production, a great subtlety you can add to many effects using dupes, and even a non-dupe way of doing C2B! Do all your other 100s of dvds provide that much value?

Sorry to be blunt with you, but right now your argument is quite flat. I, like the others, would be interested to hear more about what you have to say about the actual material.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Congreave (Oct 31, 2010 02:31AM)
I'm really hurt by the comments......about my t-shirt, my Daughter bought me that. Seriously though, who cares, at least I wore a nice shirt for the performance.

Ps if you really really don't like my t-shirt, don't get the 52 vs Joker project that is soon to be released, it's on there too! :)
Message: Posted by: Lee Smith (Oct 31, 2010 03:47AM)
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On 2010-10-31 03:31, Christopher Congreave wrote:
I'm really hurt by the comments......about my t-shirt, my Daughter bought me that. Seriously though, who cares, at least I wore a nice shirt for the performance.

Ps if you really really don't like my t-shirt, don't get the 52 vs Joker project that is soon to be released, it's on there too! :)
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And is Gary wearing his banana man outfit?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Congreave (Nov 1, 2010 06:18AM)
No he's wearing a see through negligee.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Nov 21, 2010 10:39AM)
This is from Online Visions.....

"Dupes" DVD by Gary Jones and Chris Congreave
Suggested Retail USD$30.00
Available from your favorite dealer
In a Blink: 10 Out of 10

"Dupes", a DVD by Gary Jones and Chris Congreave, is one of those rarest of rare collections: a gathering of material based on what has got to be the oldest gaff in card magic that, if this were all the card magic you knew, would have you working in the finest of hotels and being kowtowed to by lesser performers who all want to grow up to be just like you.

Okay, so maybe that's a little over the top, but, man and boy, if it is, it's very little over the top. Yeah, I'm just that high on "Dupes".

Before we go much farther, let's get the whole "Dupes" thing out of the way. "Dupes" are not the people who bought… Nah, I won't name that trick; it would be just taking a cheap shot at an stationary target. "Dupes" refers to duplicate, ungimmicked cards added to the deck to accomplish effects. This is, as the ad copy says, "underused" nowadays, but used correctly, that extra card (or cards), combined with a regular deck, can turn out pure dynamite.

And speaking of explosive combinations, here's another one: Gary Jones and Chris Congreave.

Jones and Congreave are workers. They spend their time supporting their addictions to food, shelter, and clothing by being Out There, face-to-face with folks, and having to be entertaining and amazing each and every time. This material, some of their best to date, is staggeringly great stuff.

One of my friends told me once that you can tell how good material is by how badly you want to perform it after you see it or read it. If that's the case, then there's not a piece of filler on this disc because I want to perform them all (some more than others, granted, but still…)

I'm just going to hit the stuff that made me stop the disc, grab a deck, and get busy right off the bat:

"Almost CAAN" got my attention in a flash and it's the first effect on the disc. A card is chosen and returned by the spectator. The spectator squares the deck and the performer cuts it a couple of times. The spectator then names any number from 1 to 52 and they count to the card at that number. Yes, it's the chosen card. Now to be fair (as well I can be without tipping things), this is one of the few effects where the deck is pretty much useless for other things (the routine starts off with a nice Ace production, though), but it's also solid enough that this one just may be worth the pocket space.

"C2B (with Zilcho Palm)" is a palm-less and painless card-to-box routine that I flat out adore. A card is selected by a spectator and returned to the deck. The four Aces are shown. The two black Aces are put into the card case and the case closed. Just that quickly, the red Aces are shown to have changed to the black Aces. The spectator opens the box and finds three cards inside: the red Aces and the chosen card between them. I'll 'fess up: this one got me. Then when I watched the explanation, I got got all over again. Then they teach a "no dupe" version and my brain will never be the same again. A true worker, this one, and worth the cost of the disc.

"Packed Wallet" is the next gem. Two cards are chosen, signed, and replaced in the deck. After some shuffling and the like, one of the signed cards appears in the performer's pocket. The performer then pulls out his wallet, informing the remaining spectator his card is inside. When the spectator opens it, he finds the entire deck while the performer holds the selected card. This can be a bit tricky to pull off - bad angles have to be overcome by good misdirection - but it's surprisingly not all that bad. But the punch this one packs… oh, brother! Solid keeper here.

"Box Sitter" is another powerhouse. In this one, the Jokers are shown and set aside, then a card is selected, signed, and lost in the deck. The card case is lifted and a face-down card is shown underneath. It is turned over with the Jokers so no funny business could be done, and it's seen to be the signed card. I love this one just because of the presentational paths this thing can go down. Simple to do, amazing to watch.

"Hypno-Tastic" was another one that floored me, but unlike the others, I wasn't hit until I saw the explanation. In this one, a card is chosen and lost in the deck. The performer narrows it down to two cards and one is placed on each of the spectator's out-stretched hands. The spectator is told one hand is getting heavy, and heavier, until it's resting on the table. The card in that hand is revealed to be the selected card. This one is just plain weird and I loved it. It's the first thing off the disc I performed. To make things more interesting, there's even a non-dupe version just because.

There's a ton more on this disc, but for my money those routines are the diamonds among the gold here and any one of them worth buying this disc; taken as a collection with everything else and this is almost a steal.

And surprisingly enough, there's only on caveat here: this isn't for beginners. True enough, the use of a duplicate cuts back on the handling, but it doesn't eliminate it, and the Boys don't waste a lot of time going over the common sleights (they do concentrate on the not-so-run-of-the-mill moves, though, so rest easy there). This is for someone who's made it through double-lifts and palms and controls of all sorts; if you're a stranger to "Royal Road", then this one ain't for you just yet.

So, "Dupes" is loaded with creative routines that Jones and Congreave have every right to burst with pride over, the disc would be cheap at twice the price, and there are no drawbacks whatsoever. Do I recommend this one? And how! If you're a card worker, you need this like you need a new deck of Bikes and some spare cards, just in case.



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"Dupes" DVD by Gary Jones and Chris Congreave
In a Blink: 10 Out of 10

Material: 10
This stuff is all, without exception, high-quality, high-powered, commercial card work. For the more advanced worker, these routines are solid, sometimes striking stuff. This is one collection card workers are not going to want to be without.

Practicality: 10
It varies, particularly given the theme of the disc, and there are some routines that will have you lugging an extra deck around or looking for a table. Still, for the most part, these are incredibly practical routines, with nothing more than the advertised gaff (or gaffs) in sight.

Quality of Production: 10
Some will argue this one, what with the warehouse shoot and no live audience, but I dearly love the simplistic approach. I'm a grown-up; I can tell if something it going to work for me or not. Well, most times.

Quality of Instruction: 10
I loved the quick pace of the instruction. Common sleights? Mentioned, shown, but not drawn out (no re-learning a double-turnover for the billionth time). Ideas and selling points? Fully explained. This, folks, is what I call perfect.

Presentation: 10
This is what the material here is all about and it's all about workers, in every sense of the word. The Boys are workers, their routines are workers… which is to say always entertaining, sometimes funny, and more often than should be expected brain-freezingly astonishing.

Shane http://www.online-visions.com/reviews/0903dupes.html

Thank you Shane for taking the time to review Dupes, very kind of you Sir.

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: KyleMacNeill (Oct 28, 2011 05:23AM)
Got this yesterday at Covent Garden magic stall, it is awesome!
Great variety, and I will be using Hypno - Tastic, C2B, Joker Surprise and more! :)

Great DVD and very good value for money!

Kyle
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Oct 30, 2011 03:13PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-28 06:23, KyleMacNeill wrote:
Got this yesterday at Covent Garden magic stall, it is awesome!
Great variety, and I will be using Hypno - Tastic, C2B, Joker Surprise and more! :)

Great DVD and very good value for money!

Kyle
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Thank you Kyle, I must get up to London soon to see the guys at the Magic Cave in Convent Garden, was Lee Hathaway there?

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: KyleMacNeill (Oct 31, 2011 01:29PM)
Sorry, I am not sure if it was Magic Cave, it was just the little stall I always see, near the square market :)

Kyle