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Topic: Good news for Apple, bad news for Apple users
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Oct 14, 2010 11:20AM)
Apple has topped 10% of the US market

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/pc-demand-slows-amid-consumer-fatigue-but-apple-share-surges/40416?tag=nl.e539

If you are an Apple user and you aren't running virus protection software, you are officially a fool.

At not just 10% of the market, but a very complacent 10% who are used to believing they are "virus proof" you have become a very viable target.

My Advice: Don't be one of those who learns that the hard way.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 14, 2010 02:27PM)
10% of the market? The way those Apple users brag you'de think that they had at least 50% of the market. 10% of the market, and most of the hot air.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Oct 14, 2010 02:58PM)
Tell me about it. :rolleyes:
They'll clam up if you mention design flaws though.
Message: Posted by: Randwill (Oct 14, 2010 03:26PM)
Y-A-W-N. Platform wars are so 20th century.
Message: Posted by: lisheng (Oct 14, 2010 03:40PM)
What's new....
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 14, 2010 08:50PM)
Why would ANYONE not use virus protection again?

Forget platform wars that is just dumb.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 14, 2010 09:27PM)
If you don't think viruses are a major concern--and right now for Mac users they are not, [i]yet[/i]--then there are lots of reasons not to use an anti-virus program. Most of them are truly annoying. They are notorious for slowing down systems and clashing with other programs. It would take an actual virus outbreak that affects Macs in the wild -- not just proof of concept--before I would put on an anti-virus program.

Maybe dumb, but I see it as don't run if you're not being chased.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 15, 2010 08:43AM)
Landmark
I got no warning before my hard drive crashed.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 15, 2010 08:47AM)
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On 2010-10-14 22:27, landmark wrote:
Maybe dumb, but I see it as don't run if you're not being chased.
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Really? It takes one to crash the drive. ONE. So if you are behind the curve when that one hits, where are you then?

Hey do what you want. No biggie I just would not do it. Dumb may have been out of line sorry.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 15, 2010 09:58AM)
In Minnesota they have a date in the Spring time which snow mobiles are no longer allowed to ride on their lakes, and everyone follows these rules right after one poor sucker takes a plunge into a lake, you can't legislate stupidity.
Message: Posted by: jeffdell (Oct 15, 2010 10:18AM)
I think I need to geek out here just a tiny bit :). Let me first say that Apple really makes some innovative and creative consumer products. To Cyberqats point, I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a consorted effort by people to find exploits in Mac OS. I think the two biggest reasons for this is that Apple's two biggest products are not their computers. The Ipod and the Iphone are really apple's two biggest products right now (and for the foreseeable future) and while they want you to believe all their products are selling like hot cakes, PCs with Microsoft Windows are still king of the hill in the PC market for now.

Really, Mac OS like any other piece of software has its own fair share of issues. The fact that its a BSD based kernel now does not inherently make it more secure than anything else and eventually all the kiddy hackers out there will start to try and find the exploits in the Mac OS software.

Not trying to dump on Apple here or their products, just my two cents on their products.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 15, 2010 06:23PM)
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On 2010-10-15 09:43, Al Angello wrote:
Landmark
I got no warning before my hard drive crashed.
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Al:
1) was your crash caused by a virus, or was it failing hardware?
2) If a virus, were you on a Mac platform?

Though I don't use an anti-virus program, I do regular backups. I agree that the Mac hardware quality is often only fair. And certainly with the ubiquity of the iPhones and iPads, it could well be that we will see a spate of computer viruses that are passed back and forth from those devices. That's what I think a Mac user will have to be most careful about in the near future.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 15, 2010 07:42PM)
My crash was because of a virus, I use a windows computer, and I was using an inadaquite anti virus program. I went to the store for some groceries, and when I got back my hard drive was blank.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 15, 2010 07:46PM)
When I was a computer tech guy I ran into two Macs with virus' and couldn't help either. There were days when all I did was deal with PC virus' that actually was a file loaded not a virus.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 15, 2010 10:48PM)
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On 2010-10-15 11:18, jeffdell wrote:
I think I need to geek out here just a tiny bit :). Let me first say that Apple really makes some innovative and creative consumer products.
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Why do you think Microsoft forwarded them so much money when they were having troubles? Where else would they get their innovations from? Bill Gates had to keep his R&D group solvent.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 15, 2010 11:28PM)
Ha!

There is a weird little respect between Microsoft and Apple, those guys go back a long way. Besides, they bost ripped off other companies ideas as well as each other. Let 'em do as they want as long as they are hiring folks in the US. Cute lil' companies.
Message: Posted by: The great Gumbini (Oct 15, 2010 11:50PM)
I've used Mac's now for 10 years and to date no viruses. I won't open emails from unknown sources and I tend to be picky on web sites I go to. I have found Mac's to be reliable and fairly simple to use.


Good magic to all,


Eric
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Oct 16, 2010 11:16AM)
I think us Mac users brag because of the quality of the product. Yeah, I paid $2200 for my computer, and it has yet to fail me once. I edit video on it for hours on end, watch TV on it, it is NEVER slow, and it works. I had more crummy PC's than I care to think of, and I will never buy one again. I simply have found them to be not nearly as reliable. I'm sure people have owned Macs that crashed. I'm sure people have owned PC's that work perfectly...but having gone through at least five PC's before buying a Mac that has lasted longer and run faster than any of them, I'll never look back. I would spend that $2200 again in a heart beat.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Oct 16, 2010 12:20PM)
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On 2010-10-16 12:16, Andrewzuber wrote:

I think us Mac users brag because of the quality of the product. Yeah, I paid $2200 for my computer, and it has yet to fail me once. I edit video on it for hours on end, watch TV on it, it is NEVER slow, and it works. I had more crummy PC's than I care to think of, and I will never buy one again.
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How much did each of those crummy PCs cost? Did any one of those cost as much as the $2200 Mac? What I mean is, if you are comparing a low end, say, $600 PC to a Mac, it's not a fair comparison. You get what you pay for, to some degree.

A friend of mine purchased the highest end Mac laptop (I don't know what it is formally called) a few years back and it gave him nothing but trouble. To be fair, most other people I know with Macs seem to like them.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Oct 16, 2010 01:16PM)
Twenty five years ago, it would take well over a million bucks worth of editing equipment to accomplish what a single iMac with Final Cut Studio can do today.
I have 2 PCs and 2 Macs, dedicated to video and graphics (they don't go online).
Over time, I have come to despise them all equally for different reasons. Each one does something really well but no single one does everything well.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 16, 2010 02:05PM)
^^Sounds right to me.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 16, 2010 02:40PM)
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On 2010-10-16 13:20, balducci wrote:
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On 2010-10-16 12:16, Andrewzuber wrote:

I think us Mac users brag because of the quality of the product. Yeah, I paid $2200 for my computer, and it has yet to fail me once. I edit video on it for hours on end, watch TV on it, it is NEVER slow, and it works. I had more crummy PC's than I care to think of, and I will never buy one again.
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How much did each of those crummy PCs cost? Did any one of those cost as much as the $2200 Mac? What I mean is, if you are comparing a low end, say, $600 PC to a Mac, it's not a fair comparison. You get what you pay for, to some degree.

A friend of mine purchased the highest end Mac laptop (I don't know what it is formally called) a few years back and it gave him nothing but trouble. To be fair, most other people I know with Macs seem to like them.
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The company I used to work for *sob* went from dedicated typesetters to PowerMacs. We had six of them in the office. Five worked with no problems, one guy had nothing but problems with his. We never did figure out why, it just stopped after a while.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Oct 16, 2010 02:56PM)
I paid $1100 for an HP laptop that was slow as could be. I tried everything...increasing memory, defragging the hard drive, putting files on an external hard drive to free up space...and the thing would just crawl along. Yes, I paid twice as much for an iMac, but I could have gotten something nicer in the Apple brand. I could have certainly paid a lot less for that laptop as well, but I wanted something I thought would be decent, yet after all that maintenance it still wasn't worth it to me. The Mac, on the other hand, has been entirely maintenance free. It updates itself when needed and operates quickly without my needing to run any kind of program to keep it that way. It just works better.

My one gripe with Apple is that you are limited in some ways with what you can run on it, because so many programs are made for PCs. That said, I have what I need on here, and I run Final Cut Studio all day long without issues. Again, I know Mac computers fail. I know PC's fail, as mine did. Just my personal experience.
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Oct 16, 2010 07:55PM)
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On 2010-10-16 14:16, jazzy snazzy wrote:
Twenty five years ago, it would take well over a million bucks worth of editing equipment to accomplish what a single iMac with Final Cut Studio can do today.
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To be fair, Adobe Premiere does it all too and predates Final Cut.

I have an Imac and love it. I'm also Virus protected and it gives me zero trouble.

I occasionally need to use a Windows program. Rhapsody, for example. My solution to having one machine that does everything I need is to run Win 7 in Parallels COherence mode.

A bit expensive in memory but otherwise a quite adequate solution.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 16, 2010 08:01PM)
What anti-virus program do you use? I know that, at least a while back, Mac owners were complaining that Norton was screwing up their computers.
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Oct 16, 2010 08:20PM)
Intego Virus Barrier X6

Recommended by my local Mac store and significantly cheaper then Norton.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Oct 16, 2010 09:43PM)
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On 2010-10-16 14:16, jazzy snazzy wrote:

Twenty five years ago, it would take well over a million bucks worth of editing equipment to accomplish what a single iMac with Final Cut Studio can do today.
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Yes, but I imagine that something similar is probably true for most if not any computer platform.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Oct 16, 2010 09:48PM)
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On 2010-10-16 15:56, Andrewzuber wrote:

I paid $1100 for an HP laptop that was slow as could be. I tried everything...increasing memory, defragging the hard drive, putting files on an external hard drive to free up space...and the thing would just crawl along. Yes, I paid twice as much for an iMac, but I could have gotten something nicer in the Apple brand. I could have certainly paid a lot less for that laptop as well, but I wanted something I thought would be decent, yet after all that maintenance it still wasn't worth it to me. The Mac, on the other hand, has been entirely maintenance free. It updates itself when needed and operates quickly without my needing to run any kind of program to keep it that way. It just works better.
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All I can add, is that my experience with (near) top of the line Dell and NEC (are they even around anymore) computers sounds much like your Mac experiences. No problems whatsoever. I think if you are willing to spend the bucks, any platform works. If you go for the bargain platforms, you get what you pay for.