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Message: Posted by: SGT-jou (Oct 20, 2010 06:09PM)
Greeting,

I'm having a difficult time in trying to catch up to a more experience level and I wanted to know if is to late to start at 24y/o. I also have problems because as far as I know in Puerto Rico where I'm from I only know one magic shop and most internet sites I have visited don, send shipments here. Since I'm in the armed forces I wanted to grab some stuff and practiced while I'm away.

Thanks for any advice.
JRL
Message: Posted by: Andrew Morse (Oct 20, 2010 06:16PM)
It's never too late to start, but there's no short cut to get experience. There are some big names in magic that didn't get started until they were well into their adult years.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Oct 20, 2010 06:27PM)
If you're into, and want to practice, impromptu card magic, check out my website, third one listed under this post. Then if you have any questions, you can email to my personal address, also listed below this post, with the word "earthlink" in it. Harry L.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Oct 20, 2010 06:43PM)
I've just been told that somewhere on the internet $150 is being asked for my book Deck-Sterity and $130 for my book Close-Up Card Magic. Whaat?! When they're both re-written and updated in my book The Classic Collection, vol. 1, along with two other books, and new stuff for less thawN $100. Strange. HL.
Message: Posted by: satellite23 (Oct 20, 2010 07:35PM)
No, you're not too late.
if magic didn't interest you at a young age, so be it. There is nothing that will change that.

All you need to get started is a deck of cards, coins, paper, and an internet connection to get started. How did I get started? A worn-down deck and YouTube. My joke is that YouTube is magician's best freind lol.
Message: Posted by: SGT-jou (Oct 20, 2010 08:23PM)
Hi,

Thanks to all those replies, magic did interested me as a kid, I spent days in my grandfather's library reading his books about magic and when he passed away I saved them from a trash can because my aunt's husband said they were about sorcery and evil and that they had to be thrown away fortunately I kept them. I just found out hard to find shops or someone to show me other than basic card tricks so I step away for a couple of years, and now I'm really into coming back. Again Thanks

and by the way I had been checking out You Tube It is really helpful. Thanks
JRL
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Oct 20, 2010 10:04PM)
Hi, JRL!

First of all, let me welcome you to The Magic Café! I'm happy you joined us!

I am 55, and I am still a beginner at some things (laughing). I have been doing magic since I was 17, and you never stop learning. I understand that where you are from, there is superstition and mistrust of magic. I am also glad you saved those books. If it is difficult to buy things like magic props through the mail, I suggest you learn cards and coins first. They are readily available, and there are some very good coin and card workers right here in the Café!

Harry Lorayne is probably the most famous and best card worker here! If you can master just a few of his brilliant effects and routines, you have a head start! For coins, go to the Nothing Up My Sleeve section, and you will find the top coin workers in the world! Although I'm not the best coin worker, I have done coin magic for over 30 years, and I think I can steer you in the right direction!

Feel free to ask any of us for help on something. We don't give away secrets, but if you have a hard time buying books/DVD's through the mail because of your location, I'm sure that other arrangements can be made to accommodate you! There are plenty of downloads you can purchase for around $10, and there is plenty of free stuff around. YouTube is helpful, but there are other sites you can go to for help with cards, coins, and everyday things.

Stay with the Magic Café, and when you get better and more skillful you can advance along with hundreds of others who are also just beginning, regardless of age! Good luck and good magic to ya! :)

Doug
Message: Posted by: diehards2080 (Oct 20, 2010 11:03PM)
No. Its never too late. Im 24 myself and only practicing for a yr. I been into card magic since I was 11. I may not be good as the younger crowd who is starting at 13 but my love for card magic is what drives me.

Loryanes stuff is great. His books are awsome. Every person who does a few card effects even though its not their main branch of magic should have a Loryane book. That just my opinion.

Srry Im not really into other branches of magic but if you want coins. David Roth!! I have the pleasure of seeing him everytime shopping at Fantasmas in NYC. If I was going into coins and may be soon that's the man I would learn from.

My thoughts on youtube. I like it. It gives me a chance to get adivce from other magicians. I don't post public just private. I wouldnt really learn from youtube. problem is most who is teaching on there really cant perform what they are teaching proper anyways. If you want to learn. Do it proper. Just my 2 cents
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Oct 21, 2010 12:26AM)
Dear SGT-jou,

I didn't start 'till after I was 24. I've been a pro. for over 30 years now. You're going to get older no matter when you start. Why not have some fun along the way.

The years add up quickly and if you practice experience adds up as well.

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Oct 21, 2010 12:28AM)
Sarge, I'm 62 yrs old and had my first audition for some Library work just today! I collected magic for years and retired to find myself wanting to perform. I've done some free shows to get experience and worked myself into doing kids magic and seniors. I just landed my first gig today, so, at the age of 24, you have lots more time to work than I do! I wish I had as many years to perfect my craft as you. So hang tough and start your venture. When I was in the military many years ago, I used my spare time to teach myself how to play the guitar. Wish I was into magic back then! Welcome to the Café! This is a great place to start learning. Best, Bob
Message: Posted by: Medortho (Oct 21, 2010 01:52PM)
Since I started I always just heared about famous magicians who all started very young. Today I think it's almost some kind of cognitive bias to constantly think you can only be really good at something if you already started as a child. But there's more to it than just that.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 21, 2010 02:01PM)
You be just a kid, JRL!! Join the fun!

Mary- How can you start at 24, work 30 years and now look 39???? Is that a really old pic? The math do not work!

Jim
Message: Posted by: othelo68 (Oct 21, 2010 03:21PM)
Hey sgt,
good to see a fellow service member into magic. Its never to late the start I didn't start till just recently either. magic is a long road, don't fret about your local. Are you in puerto rico? whats wrong with the one shop? if you have to order things online there are a few that send stuff to where you are. check out http://www.magicwarehouse.com get some books and start learning the classics!
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Oct 21, 2010 08:29PM)
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On 2010-10-20 19:43, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I've just been told that somewhere on the internet $150 is being asked for my book Deck-Sterity and $130 for my book Close-Up Card Magic. Whaat?! When they're both re-written and updated in my book The Classic Collection, vol. 1, along with two other books, and new stuff for less thawN $100. Strange. HL.
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You're being modest Harry. Go to any convention and see what dealers are asking for your originals... quality is quality, and only goes up in value. But...you're right...why pay more for less when you can pay less for more, and support the creator at the same time.

And SGT-jou, I began magic around 9 or 10 or so and gave it up in my late-teens. I built a lot of my parlor effects back then, which I was lucky enough to sell to our local magic shop. All of the smaller, close-up effects were packed up and stowed away. Boy, was I happy I kept them.

More than 20 years later while burning off some down time in between meetings out of town, I visited a close-by magic shop near the office I was at. You would have thought I discovered El Dorado. Here I was, re-exploring an interest I had given up for 2 decades...imagine what I found. I was hooked again and haven't looked back since.

Enjoy these days of discovery. Start with books and the basics and go from there. I love collecting vintage magic, but I always find myself going back to my roots and performing impromptu at parties, in the office, at restaurants... Once you have mastered some basic skills, both physically and mentally, you'll find magic everywhere.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Oct 22, 2010 09:10PM)
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On 2010-10-21 15:01, Mr. Mystofelees wrote:
Mary- How can you start at 24, work 30 years and now look 39???? Is that a really old pic? The math do not work!
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I was going to ask the same question, but did not want to embarrass her. 39? Careful Jim! She may be much younger than that! There is such a thing as a typo! :)
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 22, 2010 10:12PM)
Yeah, it was a typo, that's the ticket! Thanks, Doug. That was meant to be a "2"...
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Oct 22, 2010 11:14PM)
It's 56. Ever heard of "Photo Shop"? I guess its time for a new photo (RATS!).

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Oct 22, 2010 11:28PM)
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On 2010-10-23 00:14, Mary Mowder wrote:
It's 56.
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:wow: Now that is amazing! I wish I could look that good at 55! You are too humble, Mary, that ain't Photoshop! You just have a really young look! How fortunate! You are blessed!

Doug
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Oct 23, 2010 12:11AM)
Well, my Kitten is 52 and everyone tells her she looks 10 years younger... and they are right :) Shes my spectator in the see-through-card demo I posted though its hardly ideal lighting for her.

Some women are blessed with a young look... they usually hate it when they are young and grow to love it as they get a bit older. She's 4 years older then me and always been able to get away with people thinking Im the one who is 4 years older ;)
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Oct 23, 2010 04:37AM)
JRL,
Your never to old my story is very similar to Wizard of Oz, I also gave it away in mid teens.
I am now 40 and have just in the last 5 months got back into it along with my son.

I don't plan to be a professional but you never know!

It provides hours of entertainment and is also a great joint interest with my son.

Shanlip
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 23, 2010 09:25AM)
Shanlip,

Similar story, mine. My grandson got me back into magic after many years away. What a gift it has been for both of us- a real bonding. We now call ourselves "Generation Gap" , at least until one of my children get the bug... what fun!
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Oct 23, 2010 01:58PM)
Hi, Shanlip!

Welcome to The Magic Café! A father and son doing magic together! Now that is cool. I wish my Dad and I had done that! He was a very strict military Captain, though. That is something he would never have done.

How fortunate your son is to have a Dad that would enjoy such a great pastime together! I miss my Dad, and wish we did have a common interest such as this. Thanks for sharing that, Shanlip!

Doug
Message: Posted by: StephenP (Oct 23, 2010 10:11PM)
JRL, you have a ton of time! I'm just catching the bug now in my 40s and I still feel like I have a long time to get into this. If you're in the armed forces you can entertain the troops for hours with a deck of cards, some coins and a good book or two.
Message: Posted by: shamsiel (Oct 24, 2010 03:42AM)
Hey JRL,
I know of the store you are talking about. I used to buy make up there for our college Acting Company. Is it at the northwestern part of the island "Aguadilla"?

I believe it was, or is, called "La broma" (The jest). The Owner was an old magus. They mainly work with clowns and party rentals. Nice guys actually. His son might remember me if you visit them. They used to call me "El telepata" (The Telepath). But unless you are talking about dark arts and superstition like Santeria, or Palo, there isn't much on the island for an aspiring Magus.

I get you man. I also served our country and am starting now that I am a civilian and have time in my hands. I only own two books on magic and am even older than you. If I am doing it, you can do it. I put it on hold, but I decided to live with no regrets, so I am doing it now. Because its now or never.

Shipping is a pain in the Island because some companies loose money because of package theft. My suggestion is to do as I did. While stateside, get on the web and find your local magic shop and drive there the same day and get yourself one or two of the books for beginners suggested on this site. If you know you will be more than a few weeks on the same base buy from a website and have it delivered next day. And get to work.

Shamsiel

Shamsiel
Message: Posted by: DWRackley (Oct 24, 2010 04:04AM)
I don't have it right in front of me, but I remember reading an article by Harry Blackstone Jr. about his reluctance to enter magic while his father was still alive. He didn't do too badly for a late starter!

I did magic as a teen/young adult, but hadn't touched it for over 20 years. Some things have changed (and I'm learning new things all the time), but some things never change.
[list][*]Strangers are easier than family.[*]Nobody in the "real world" thinks like a magician.[*]They always remember things that didn't hapen, and don't remember things that did happen.[*]...and so on...
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It's more about your head than your hands (although some skills are vital).

Hang out at the Café for a while. You'll soon start surprising yourself. Get your head around the idea of saying one thing, showing another, and having the audience see yet another, and you're halfway home.

Too late? Ppfftt!!!
Message: Posted by: mediamonk (Oct 25, 2010 01:10PM)
SGT,

A suggestion on the shipping. Have an order delivered to your family and have them mail it to you. I did that often while I was stationed in South Korea. There's nothing like getting a care package from home. Also, welcome to the Café.

Stephen
Message: Posted by: Angrios Gabriel (Oct 26, 2010 10:26AM)
Saludos JRL! I've been into magic for 4 years now, and I'm from the island too. What part of the island are you from? I know of only one magic store located in Aguadilla, don't know if it the same one your talking about, but the owner of the store he'll be happy to help you. Concerning magicians I don't know too many over here, which I think is good, not too much competition to worry about!! And JRL never is too late to learn!!
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Oct 26, 2010 09:47PM)
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On 2010-10-23 10:25, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Shanlip,

Similar story, mine. My grandson got me back into magic after many years away. What a gift it has been for both of us- a real bonding. We now call ourselves "Generation Gap" , at least until one of my children get the bug... what fun!
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The bug is easy to catch :)
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Oct 26, 2010 09:55PM)
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On 2010-10-23 14:58, Dougini wrote:
Hi, Shanlip!

Welcome to The Magic Café! A father and son doing magic together! Now that is cool. I wish my Dad and I had done that! He was a very strict military Captain, though. That is something he would never have done.

How fortunate your son is to have a Dad that would enjoy such a great pastime together! I miss my Dad, and wish we did have a common interest such as this. Thanks for sharing that, Shanlip!

Doug
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Thanks for the kind words Doug, I feel its better than sitting in front of a X Box or Playstation.