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Topic: Dick Proenneke
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 5, 2010 10:41PM)
Anyone here familiar with this story? I caught a bit of it on PBS today and found it interesting. Far as I recall it's the first I've heard of him. Seems to me his story would be more widely known.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss]Alone in the Wilderness[/url]
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Dec 5, 2010 11:12PM)
Thank you, he did a beautiful job on that cabin.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 6, 2010 11:24AM)
I was thinking John Denver would likely have been aware of him, as John was very keen on Alaska. I just googled it quickly and one of the search results says John used to visit Dick Proenneke when he made trips to Alaska.

http://alaskasgoldenspoon.com/page2.cfm?recordid=45

Also:

[url=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6sO0VNFAa54J:www.nwhikers.net/forums/search.php%3Fshowresults%3Dposts%26search_author%3DNatty%2BBumpo+dick+proenneke+visits+with+john+denver&cd=15&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca]visitors[/url]
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 6, 2010 12:51PM)
Mr. Proenneke is well known to folks who are interested in this sort of thing. He made a documentary and published a couple of books; the first one was heavily edited, against his wishes. He did something that seems almost inconceivable today, yet in the America of the 18th and early 19th centuries, many if not most men would have been capable of something like it.

The workmanship of everything he did is indeed outstanding.

Woland
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 6, 2010 01:02PM)
Thankyou both for posting. I just found an interesting link that mentions the second book:
http://www.troop1127.com/Richard_Proenneke.html
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 6, 2010 01:40PM)
The short excerpt from the film (to which you linked, above) is very inspiring.


Woland
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 6, 2010 03:01PM)
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On 2010-12-06 14:40, Woland wrote:
The short excerpt from the film (to which you linked, above) is very inspiring.

Woland
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Yes, it inspires me to keep making those mortgage payments so I don't have to go live in a shack in the middle of nowhere :)

I'd rather do my hunter gatherer thing at the local supermarket or a nice restaurant than licking lichen off of a rock.

I'm glad the guy got to live the last 30 plus years of his life following his dream though.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 6, 2010 03:06PM)
See, I love the wilderness, but I'm too social-minded to check out permanently.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 6, 2010 03:25PM)
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On 2010-12-06 16:06, critter wrote:
See, I love the wilderness, but I'm too social-minded to check out permanently.
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For me the wilderness is best enjoyed being viewed through a window of a five star hotel.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 6, 2010 03:45PM)
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On 2010-12-06 16:06, critter wrote:
See, I love the wilderness, but I'm too social-minded to check out permanently.
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An interesting point about Proenneke: he didn't really permanently check out. He had many visitors, including John Denver, as I mentioned above. He also visited occasionally with his relatives, I think. I've seen mentioned, I can't recall if it was in one of the above links, that he went to visit his sister in another state (I think it was California), and found the transition rather "jarring".

He had a radio in his cabin and was quite aware of what was going on in the "outside world", so to speak. He even received much fanmail, apparently, and spent a good portion of his time trying to read through it and reply. From the accounts I've seen so far, those who met him found him to be quite happy to visit and entertain them, that he liked people, really.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Dec 6, 2010 04:17PM)
A toothache or appendicitis could be a problem but otherwise it's a great life.
He lived at Twin Lakes nearly 30 years, amazing. Laurie, you should see the whole film when you have a chance.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 6, 2010 05:05PM)
Yeah, but my friends are too lazy to come out into the woods to visit as often as I'd like ;)
That's why I like Spokane. I'm out in the hills and mountains every day. I run around big National Parks and Arboretums, and then I drop by my buddy's house for tea.
I get the best of both worlds.

For those who do like the wilderness though, I'm working on a project with my friend Floyd, a retired Air Force Survival Instructor, and my other friend Mike, a martial arts instructor, about surviving in the wilderness without equipment.
We are starting with a series of YouTube episodes on basic skills, such as making cordage from found materials, creating a cutting edge with found materials and minimal flintknapping skills, and then progressing to improvised scenarios.
The entire premise is what can someone do if they are lost on a hike or something and they have nothing but the clothes on their back. Not even a knife.
I will make an announcement on here when it is closer to completion. Our YouTube channel is called barebonessurvival.
http://www.youtube.com/user/barebonessurvival?feature=mhum
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 6, 2010 05:24PM)
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On 2010-12-06 16:25, Payne wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-12-06 16:06, critter wrote:
See, I love the wilderness, but I'm too social-minded to check out permanently.
[/quote]

For me the wilderness is best enjoyed being viewed through a window of a five star hotel.
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LOL! That's a great quote :)
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 7, 2010 04:33AM)
Let's bear in mind that Mr. Proenneke, unless I am very much mistaken, never maintained that everybody should do what he did, and live like he lived. He took care of himself, and lived the way he wanted to. And he never insisted that anybody else bear any of the costs -or risks- for him.

And, by the way, when you see the care and workmanship that went into the construction of his cabin -- which still stands as a "tourist attraction" -- I would hardly call it a "shack."

Peace out.

Woland
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 7, 2010 10:23AM)
It is good for some folk. I like the idea, just have things I still want to accomplish within society. Otherwise I probably would have become a monk straight out of high school.
It would be very peaceful.
I've read Walden (very dry, required reading for the Stone Age survival class at the Community College) and I like that Ol' Henry managed to scrounge most of his building supplies.
For most people, I would say that the 'retreat' idea is probably more realistic.
I've known my share of people who don't even like camping, let alone anything extended. People who genuinely hate the woods. I will never understand that.
I spend more than a minute in a crowded mall and I could start shooting. I need to get away fairly regularly.
I live just outside of town right now. Enough to see deer and turkey pretty regularly, but close enough to go to a restaurant or a friend's house when I want.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 7, 2010 10:37AM)
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On 2010-12-07 11:23, critter wrote:

I've known my share of people who don't even like camping, let alone anything extended. People who genuinely hate the woods. I will never understand that.

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Different strokes for different folks. I haven't camped in years and years and have no desire ever to do so again. As a kid I was in scouts and I grew up on the outer most edge of suburbia. Houses on one side, orchards and farm land on the other. Thus I got most of the exposure to nature that I ever wanted out of my system before I graduated from High School. I've always been a "City Boy" and if I had to live in a little cabin in the middle of nowhere I'd most likely go crazy within a week. The isolation and lack of anything to do besides chop fire wood for the upcoming winter months would drive me insane.

Besides all you outdoor types are completely dependent on us city dwellers for your survival. Who makes the tools, clothing and camping supplies you need to make your Walden experience possible? We city guys do. I doubt even Mr.Proenneke could have survivied very long without his tools and his air dropped supplies of food and clothing he ordered from Sears.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 7, 2010 11:24AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 11:37, Payne wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 11:23, critter wrote:
Besides all you outdoor types are completely dependent on us city dwellers for your survival. Who makes the tools, clothing and camping supplies you need to make your Walden experience possible?
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I'm going to disagree with you on this. A high quality steel knife makes things easier. A plastic sheet definitely makes water collection easier. But none of it is necessary.
I took Stone Age Survival, I can make a cutting tool out of a rock. I can build a very well insulated shelter from things I've gathered. I don't need a lighter to build a fire. Just a lot of patience. Cordage can be manufactured with two rocks and some tree bark.
It's nice to have those city supplies available, but I certainly don't need them to survive.

It's exactly that kind of opinion which inpired us on the YouTube survival project. I watched those shows on "Discovery Channel" and I thought, "How convenient that they always have just the three items they need to MacGuyver a chocolate bar fire. Now, what if I don't have those three things?" Given that I know and these TV guys aren't telling, I feel like I have a responsibility to make these skills more widely known.

As to "different strokes" regarding non-camping types, I agree, I just don't understand it. There's lots of lifestyles I don't 'get,' but I accept that others 'get' them. Not a judgement, just an opinion.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 7, 2010 11:53AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 12:24, critter wrote:

I'm going to disagree with you on this. A high quality steel knife makes things easier. A plastic sheet definitely makes water collection easier. But none of it is necessary.
I took Stone Age Survival, I can make a cutting tool out of a rock. I can build a very well insulated shelter from things I've gathered. I don't need a lighter to build a fire. Just a lot of patience. Cordage can be manufactured with two rocks and some tree bark.
It's nice to have those city supplies available, but I certainly don't need them to survive.

It's exactly that kind of opinion which inpired us on the YouTube survival project. I watched those shows on "Discovery Channel" and I thought, "How convenient that they always have just the three items they need to MacGuyver a chocolate bar fire. Now, what if I don't have those three things?" Given that I know and these TV guys aren't telling, I feel like I have a responsibility to make these skills more widely known.

As to "different strokes" regarding non-camping types, I agree, I just don't understand it. There's lots of lifestyles I don't 'get,' but I accept that others 'get' them. Not a judgement, just an opinion.
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Sure, you can survive. But you really can't live that way for very long. All your stone age survival techniques are all well and good. But how long do you think you could live like that. It's one thing to go out into the woods for a while, existing like a caveman, when you know theres a hot shower and a comfy bed awaiting you on your return. It's an entirely different matter surviving that way when you know that there is no end in sight.
So what did you wear while doing this stone age survival stiff? Hides ad furs? Or were you in modern dress with fancy footwear? Life's a whole lot different running around in moccasins and brain tanned deerskin.
Survival techniques are all well and good to keep you alive until help arrives. But 99.9% of the population would be dead within a year if they had to actually live utilizing them. Starvation and exposure would do most of them in in the first few weeks alone.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 7, 2010 12:07PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 12:53, Payne wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 12:24, critter wrote:

I'm going to disagree with you on this. A high quality steel knife makes things easier. A plastic sheet definitely makes water collection easier. But none of it is necessary.
I took Stone Age Survival, I can make a cutting tool out of a rock. I can build a very well insulated shelter from things I've gathered. I don't need a lighter to build a fire. Just a lot of patience. Cordage can be manufactured with two rocks and some tree bark.
It's nice to have those city supplies available, but I certainly don't need them to survive.

It's exactly that kind of opinion which inpired us on the YouTube survival project. I watched those shows on "Discovery Channel" and I thought, "How convenient that they always have just the three items they need to MacGuyver a chocolate bar fire. Now, what if I don't have those three things?" Given that I know and these TV guys aren't telling, I feel like I have a responsibility to make these skills more widely known.

As to "different strokes" regarding non-camping types, I agree, I just don't understand it. There's lots of lifestyles I don't 'get,' but I accept that others 'get' them. Not a judgement, just an opinion.
[/quote]

Sure, you can survive. But you really can't live that way for very long. All your stone age survival techniques are all well and good. But how long do you think you could live like that. It's one thing to go out into the woods for a while, existing like a caveman, when you know theres a hot shower and a comfy bed awaiting you on your return. It's an entirely different matter surviving that way when you know that there is no end in sight.
So what did you wear while doing this stone age survival stiff? Hides ad furs? Or were you in modern dress with fancy footwear? Life's a whole lot different running around in moccasins and brain tanned deerskin.
Survival techniques are all well and good to keep you alive until help arrives. But 99.9% of the population would be dead within a year if they had to actually live utilizing them. Starvation and exposure would do most of them in in the first few weeks alone.
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I agree that the majority couldn't do it, but I think most of those could be trained to. Clothes can be made. Deer skin is very soft and comfortable. I happen to find mocassins very comfortable. The 'barefoot' running craze is already conditioning people for a more natural foot motion.
Just because it isn't what we're used to doesn't mean it can't be done.
I was homeless for an entire Winter in 2000, I did use scrounged city materials like pallets and rugs for insulation, but I actually think that a debris shelter would have done me better if I'd had the knowledge then that I do now.
I also foraged most of my food and supplies when I lived on the old Ren Faire land at Gig Harbor a few years ago. Ate Cat Tails, made tea from evergreen needles and ants, didn't have a signal on my cell-phone. I liked it.

For a somewhat longer term shelter than a debris hut, I would build a mud hut (Hardens into something like Adobe.) You could live comfortably for as long as you had to with one of these and some firebuilding skills. There are progressively more intricate huts from there.
I mean, the American Indians somehow managed to survive for thousands of years before metal and the industrial revolution came.
Modern manufacturing isn't that old. We are just a few generations removed from the 'primitives' we used to be.

Again, I appreciate modern conveniences. Even more so having done without. I love a warm jacket and a good knife. But I just don't see them as necessary.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 05:33, Woland wrote:
Let's bear in mind that Mr. Proenneke, unless I am very much mistaken, never maintained that everybody should do what he did, and live like he lived. He took care of himself, and lived the way he wanted to. And he never insisted that anybody else bear any of the costs -or risks- for him.

And, by the way, when you see the care and workmanship that went into the construction of his cabin -- which still stands as a "tourist attraction" -- I would hardly call it a "shack."

Peace out.

Woland
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bravo. :applause: :)

It was [i]his[/i] retirement.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 12:56PM)
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On 2010-12-07 11:37, Payne wrote:
I doubt even Mr.Proenneke could have survivied very long without his tools and his air dropped supplies of food and clothing he ordered from Sears.
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Payne, Mr. Proenneke wouldn't have disputed that. And being that he is the topic here, what is all this other stuff you've been talking about? Who are you arguing with? ;)
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 7, 2010 01:15PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 13:56, magicalaurie wrote:
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On 2010-12-07 11:37, Payne wrote:
I doubt even Mr.Proenneke could have survivied very long without his tools and his air dropped supplies of food and clothing he ordered from Sears.
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Payne, Mr. Proenneke wouldn't have disputed that. And being that he is the topic here, what is all this other stuff you've been talking about? Who are you arguing with? ;)
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Sorry, my fault.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 01:22PM)
No apology required. From a brief review of the thread, I don't think his protests started with you. ;) Appreciate your insight. :)

Payne conceded one could survive, but not likely "live".

Payne wrote: [quote]Sure, you can survive. But you really can't live that way for very long.[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 7, 2010 03:17PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 14:22, magicalaurie wrote:
No apology required. From a brief review of the thread, I don't think his protests started with you. ;) Appreciate your insight. :)

Payne conceded one could survive, but not likely "live".

Payne wrote: [quote]Sure, you can survive. But you really can't live that way for very long.[/quote]
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I also wrote that I was glad he was able to spend the last half of his life living as he really wished. Few of us are so fortunate to see their dreams and desired realized. He was clearly a man who knew what he wanted and worked hard to acheive those goals.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 7, 2010 03:22PM)
Magicalaurie,

Mr. Proenneke's life was not for everyone; after all, he was a hermit. I have not read his books, and I am not going to speculate on the richness of his inner life. But from the way he made and handled his tools, and from the way he built his cabin, it is evident that he was a craftsman with a fine artistic sensibility. I think that he probably lived a very full life, and that surmounting the challenges that he chose to face provided satisfaction as well as spiritual development. He did not wish to sever contact with the world entirely, and he did order and pay for (out of his savings) items he wished to have from the wider world. At one time, of course, most people who lived in the world could have done what he did. Nowadays, perhaps not so many.

And think how much easier it would be to live that life in a more hospitable climate.

Woland
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 04:32PM)
Woland,

I haven't said his life was for everyone. I said, as he did, it was his retirement. And he was a rather social hermit from what I've seen of him so far. Only hermit I've heard of who received and answered fanmail, and had a guestbook for his visitors to sign.
That's where I took issue with Payne: his defensive tone has seemed to imply the thread recommended from the start we drag him screaming from his 5 star hotel room and dropkick him to the center of Alaska without so much as a box of matches. :nod: "All us outdoor types" never suggested such a thing.

Critter's sidenotes on survival skills are interesting and may in fact have interested Mr. Proenneke, as well. He may even have found them useful when he found himself in dangerous situations.

I will most definitely be picking up his books, as I find the story interesting. :)
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 7, 2010 06:38PM)
My comment was meant to be in agreement with what you posted. But I would still characterize his cabin as an hermitage. Even if one were not inclined to withdraw from daily human interaction, there is still something fiercely inspiring about Mr. Proenneke's life in the wild. For he truly lived in the wild. He lived as a civilized man, embodying many of the best elements of our civilization, but he was alone in the wild. Imagine getting through an Alaskan winter all by yourself in the midst of a vast wilderness. Awfully impressive. A lone man, with hand tools, no source of energy other than fire, no one else upon whom to rely . . . for anything. But he could do it. You can do it. The human being can do it. Truly a master of all he surveyed. Not a master over it. But a master nonetheless.

I'm reminded of something that I think Emmett Grogan wrote, and Paul Krassner published in 1968:
[quote]I always admired Arthur Koestler, and always was enraged by him. I knew him to be smart, well read, and almost pathologically honest. Also, he cared a lot about the things I wanted to know. None of this changed the fact that I knew Koestler was wrong. "Wrong" is a very good word. Very few educated people still know how to use it.

Just 2 weeks ago I found Koestler giving himself away to my sense of his wrongness. He says, in Yogi and the Commisar, that we are a "vulnerable animal, living on a hostile planet."

Clearly this man has never looked at his own two hands. Has never known the miracle of his human eyes. Does not know that he is the only animal that can out-climb a mountain goat (as the north-west Indians do, chinning themselves on quarter-inch ledges in the rock, till they drive the goat to where the goat must fall). Can do that, and also swim. Can run with the halter in his hand until the horse drops dead. Can curl up into a ball, as the fox does, let the snow cover him, for warmth, and make it through a blizzard on Mt. Shasta. As John Muir did.

Koestler doesn't know the skin he stands in, the meat he is, and he doesn't know the ground he's standing on. What, possibly, can he tell us about anything else?[/quote]

Please report on Mr. Proenneke's books, when you read them.

Woland
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 07:03PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-07 19:38, Woland wrote:
My comment was meant to be in agreement with what you posted...
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Well in that case, my apologies for getting my back up there a little. ;)


[quote]
On 2010-12-07 19:38, Woland wrote:
Imagine getting through an Alaskan winter all by yourself in the midst of a vast wilderness. Awfully impressive. A lone man, with hand tools, no source of energy other than fire, no one else upon whom to rely . . . for anything...[/quote]

Something I caught when watching on PBS the other day: he said something about a person being much more careful when he's alone than when there's someone else along. From what I gather, he didn't overturn his canoe on the water once during the many years he was in Alaska. I imagine he acquired much such wisdom and skill... a master [i]of[/i], as you say. Wise. Wise enough to know a man is not necessarily meant nor nearly so qualified as some might dare imagine, to master [i]over[/i].

I will report on the books.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 07:45PM)
"that we are a 'vulnerable animal, living on a hostile planet.' "

I would agree that was inaccurate. I would suggest there are many hostile people living on a vulnerable planet. But the hostile people are susceptible to arrogance, and that is where Nature sometimes gains advantage and inspires humility.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 7, 2010 07:58PM)
Ain't that the truth.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 7, 2010 08:15PM)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9mMCs0lNaM]from "The Frozen North"[/url]
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 30, 2010 11:37AM)
Got my copy of Dick's first book today! :)
Message: Posted by: Woland (Dec 30, 2010 12:00PM)
Excellent! Be sure to tell us what you think.

Bear in mind that this first book was extensively edited, and Mr. Proenneke was not thrilled about that.

Woland
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Dec 30, 2010 12:25PM)
Thankyou, Woland. Yes, I'm aware of the editing. Something about writers needing to have their own way... ;)

http://magicalaurie.blogspot.com/2010/12/dick-proenneke.html
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Nov 29, 2011 09:08PM)
Finally finished this book a few weeks ago and I miss reading it now that I have. I have a theory about the editing- some gaps in time in there, though Mr. Proenneke may very well have been quite busy during the days unaccounted for. ;) I've got the second book, which covers 1974-1980, I believe. I don't think this one's supposed to have been edited the way the first was, so will likely get more insight into the editing controversy of the first from reading the next. Will be starting it ASAP but it's waiting in line behind several others. May have to pick it up simultaneously. I'm very glad to have discovered these. Proenneke's common sense and practical get things done effort has encouraged and inspired me and I've been pleased to realize I may share some of his qualities. Highly recommend studying him further to anyone who might be interested in the first place, and also to anyone who hasn't heard his story previously.

Laurie
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Jan 15, 2018 04:22PM)
"I want to add something to the reference to Dick "hunting" porcupines, because I think that's misleading and though he killed a number of them, the major underlying reason was they were chewing on his cabin, and he suspected it would be dangerous to his survival to allow them to make a habit of it. He wondered why they chose his cabin to rasp. It seems he wasn't aware they were most likely seeking salt. He attempted relocating the "offenders" but they returned with barely a blink. I won't argue he developed a bit of a taste for porcupine but it was something I think he certainly would have handled differently if he'd known the reason the porcupines targeted his cabin and others. He fed mice in a safe area to keep them from harmful food seeking and I'm confident he would have done the same with the porcupines. I'll post more details on this later, here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30"


I had posted the above on another thread awhile back but decided against following up at the time. I just came across my notes on this again today, and thought I'd post about it afterall, as some may find it as interesting as I did at the time. I finished "More Readings from One Man's Wilderness" awhile back and still would like to get hold of "The Early Years" and any other publishing of Dick's work that may since have been released. I'd really like to see his photography and film work, but I'm not sure if it is currently accessible or if there are plans for its release. Anyway...

From The North American Porcupine. Uldis Roze. 1989:

p.70 "In herbivores, muscles and nervous tissues must maintain a 1:1 ratio of potassium to sodium ions. (Whole-body ratios tend to be closer to 2:1 because intracellular volume is larger than extracellular volume.) *But herbivore diets, consisting only of plant tissues, diverge widely from that ratio. Plants contain no nerve or muscle and need only maintain the saline environment inside the cells. The result is that plant tissues contain potassium-to-sodium ratios as high as 500:1 (Weeks and Kirkpatrick 1978, 1976). Herbivores feeding on plant tissues are therefore flooded with unwanted potassium, which must be excreted to maintain internal balance. Because sodium and potassium are closely related chemically, the kidneys may not be able to excrete that volume of potassium without loss of essential sodium as well."

It surprised me a little that, as I recall, Dick Proenekke seemed unaware the porcupines chewing on his cabin and others, likely were seeking salt. (Though I don't think that was widely known at the time, nor do I think it's widely known now, necessarily.) I think he likely would have provided for them had he been aware, considering he did so for other seekers around his cabin.

ie.
From More Readings from One Man's Wilderness. Dick Proenekke. 1974-1980

p.65
"January 7, 1975 -35

After supper and doing dishes when I heard a rattling on the gas can cabinet. With the flashlight I checked and there sat another red backed mouse but he wasn't welded to the can. I don't like those guys to suffer while trying to get something to eat. I took it down. Tomorrow I will pour hot water over one of the little cans of caribou grease. Take it out in cake form and put it where they can work on it."

p.66
"Last evening after writing I thought why wait till tomorrow to get the caribou grease for the red backed mice. I was sorry that one had died in such a tragic manner before I thought of it. I climbed to the cache and came back with a little ration can (2" deep 3" dia) and poured hot water over the bottom up can. Soon it slid out and I parked it at the corner of the cabin in behind a table leg. Today I noticed that the edge had been nibbled on. Enough there to last those little guys all winter. In this cold it is so hard the camp robbers don't bother. If Milo the weasel comes by it is apt to disappear. So I should run a wire through it and anchor it to the table leg."

p.76
"March 12, 1975
This morning while I worked inside I heard a spruce grouse fly and wondered if one had come for gravel. A bit later I was going outside for something and nearly stepped on one outside the door. Only one and it stayed for five minutes or more. Later I saw it perched on a spruce bow low down in the spruce near the cache. Babe saw two in front one day when he came.
'One of those would find his way into a cooking pot if I was here.' he said. Like the Nondalton Natives he would have every bird and animal killed off near his camp. To me it is nice to have wild things about that trust you. My camp robber. Spruce grouse, rabbits, and the cow and calf moose."

p.80
"March 21, 1975
...Let it stay cold- perhaps it will discourage the Kenai flying wolves from working on the caribou."

Further page references:
p.110 friends & neighbours
p.111 porcupine
p.112 " "
p.127 " "
p.155 Spruce grouse
p.204 "One Man's Wilderness"
p.206 " "
p.243 "Camera hunting"
p.249 Jan 26
p.307 Aug 15, 1978
p.327 Nov.18 grebe
p.333 Jan.7/79
p.344 Feb. 16 Monument
p.399 Sep.9 big old bulls


:)
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Jan 15, 2018 11:12PM)
I spelt Proenneke wrong in my recent post, I see.

There's been another book released, in 2016- The Journals of Richard L. Proenneke A Life in Full Stride 1981-1985- and I found mention of his work being featured in documentaries and short films, but no specific titles.

https://www.nps.gov/lacl/learn/historyculture/proenneke-and-wilderness.htm
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Jan 16, 2018 11:42AM)
Mr. Proenneke, I find to be an interesting story,
...but kinda,
'out of touch'.

Socially un-attached.

These folks kinda scare me.

,....therefore,
I happy when they go off,
...on their own.

I don't belief one can find 'peace',
without fitting into 'the whole'.
Finding 'peace', is not,
in becoming,...a 'piece'.

His values, however, I cherish!
His vision,...somewhat.

Is anyone here, familiar with Scott and Helen Nearing?
"Living the Good Life"?

Might want to google-eye this:
https://youtu.be/evBpwQPn8QI

,...then research the man.
A fascinating story.
Educated.
Educated others.
,..went and 'lived it'.
(He actually formulated an Economical/Mathematical Theory(!) concerning it.
He was a Professor of Economics at the University of Pennsylvania.)

His 'death story' is interesting.
At 103, he could no longer chop his own fire-wood.
He said to his wife,
"I don't want anyone to carry me. It's time to die."
He slowly starved himself to death.

Scott Nearing.
Helen Nearing,...also, an inspiring Story(!).
'Friend',..Lover of Krisnamurtni,...
when he was believed to be,..
"the chosen".
The Anthroposophic Movement started out of the turmoil.
....Rudolf Steiner, ect.

Herny Thoreau never went back.....
gallagher
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Jan 16, 2018 11:47AM)
P.s.: https://youtu.be/z-P0HyOtEiU
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Jan 16, 2018 02:55PM)
I certainly disagree that Dick was "out of touch" or "socially unattached".

He was in touch with what was going on "outside" and had many friends, stayed in touch with family, received and answered letters from the public- including classes of school children, and he regularly welcomed visitors. If you'll take a look at the link provided above and follow to the "virtual tour" of his cabin, you'll see he built it with [i]two[/i] bunks.

He was also very in tune with nature, which I think put him far more in connect with "the whole" than most of his fellows if I interpret your piecing together approach accurately enough.

I think, though, that we are all part of the whole, and life is a gift given to each of us.

I don't think any of Dick's acquaintances found him to be scary in the slightest.

Seemed like a pretty regular guy to me, too, based on what I've read that he wished to share. He wanted to be known- that's why he wrote his diaries. He wanted others to read them.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Jan 21, 2018 01:43AM)
He really rouched a lot of people. Many years ago, when my father-in-law was still living, he called my wife and I and said he had a video that we just "HAD to watch". We went to his house and he played this video for us. It was amazing!

I then purchased the video, and every year I watch the video one or two times, I enjoy it that much.

While what he did isn't for me, I think he was a remarkable man.

Also, when I watch it, I remember the time my wife and I watched it with her father.

KJ