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Topic: Dream Signs by Daniel Love
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Dec 17, 2010 08:08AM)
I know that this piece was made about six years ago, but I recently had the joy to purchase this manuscript. If you've ever been even just an occasional shopper of ebooks on mentalism, you know that a really good idea is a dime in a dozen, and most merely use existing ideas in new ways. I was thrilled to find that Dream Signs is the biggest exception I've read in a while.

The ebook is small; just 17 pages, only about 9 of which actually deal with the method, but as I said, this book is an exception to the status quo, and those 9 pages may well be some of the most valuable 9 I've ever read. Like I've heard (for I dare not say I've ever said it myself ;) ) "Size doesn't matter, it's all about how you use it".

If you've ever read Though Chunnel by Joshua Quinn, you're close to the method, yet oh so far away at the same time. The method is so golden, it's as if its just tripping along the edge of possible without actually falling into true mind reading or unreliability. Daniel goes into subtleties to make sure it works, but I tried an adapted version of it and it worked the first time. So beautifully simple, so visual yet flexible; while the map he gives for the effect is specific to star signs, the idea behind it is not. I'm currently drawing up a splendid map based upon his method. With enough thought you could draw up maps for just about anything; you're not limited to the number of letters in their word as you are in progressive anagramming; it shares so much in common with progressive anagrams yet at the same time is so different.

The method is inherently invisible by definition, and never requires your spectator to speak, or make any sound/motion, yet at the same time you can truly read their body language, without muscle reading, eye access cues, or any of the traditional non contact mind reading techniques; it's entirely out of that spectrum and sits alone in its workings. If you are into star sign revelations, which I personally didn't buy it for, then you now have a technique that allows you to nearly read minds for real and get at their star sign without having to go through even the most streamlined of anagrams; you can now use direct visualization.

I can't give this $15 work of art anything less than a 10/10 rating to fall into the ranks of 5 other 5/5 rankings on Lybrary.com, for it's explanation, thought map, presentational subtleties, and oh so gloriously perfect method. The possibilities this opens to me are nearly endless.

Dream Signs, by Daniel Love, $15 at Lybray.com: http://www.lybrary.com/dream-signs-p-240.html
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Dec 17, 2010 08:41AM)
This sounds interesting! are there advantages with this over Thought Chunnel? what are the downsides compared to Thought Chunnel

I was only able to find this so far, some of their thoughts are a bit rough, others are complimentary. Anyone else use this?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=82782&forum=15

http://gunnsight.blogspot.com/2004/09/dream-signs-review.html
Message: Posted by: reviewerman (Dec 17, 2010 09:04AM)
I would suggest that anyone interested in buying this take a look at the VERY mixed reviews of it in the past. The advertising/sales blurb is very misleading, imho.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Dec 17, 2010 09:04AM)
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On 2010-12-17 09:41, lunatik wrote:
This sounds interesting! are there advantages with this over Thought Chunnel? what are the downsides compared to Thought Chunnel

I was only able to find this so far, some of their thoughts are a bit rough, others are complimentary. Anyone else use this?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=82782&forum=15

http://gunnsight.blogspot.com/2004/09/dream-signs-review.html
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I also read the blog post prior to purchase, in fact I read all about the effect some months ago and only recently purchased it, and I can only give my personal opinion on it as a wonderful and workable method. I can't say much for Tommy Gunn, other than I doubt he actually tried it; he seems like an overly sour and fanatically cynical critic.

It is similar to Thought Chunnel, yet very different at the same time. It shares it's "progressiveness" with Thought Chunnel, but in other respects works a lot like a progressive anagram without letters. It's hard to explain, but a wonderful concept that I instantly thought of applications for.

I personally didn't find the sales "blurb" misleading, and apparently neither did the other five reviewers on Lybrary.com. As it got a 5/5 rating from all of them.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Dec 17, 2010 09:21AM)
I don't have this and it looks very interesting. I must say, it seems hard to go too far wrong at $15 unless it has no value whatsoever. Given what I have read about it, it certainly has some value.
Message: Posted by: reviewerman (Dec 17, 2010 09:25AM)
People need to know - this IS A PROGRESSIVE ANAGRAM TECHNIQUE.

I just realised that one very extensive thread reviewing it has been deleted. Disappointing, as it was very honest.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Dec 17, 2010 09:35AM)
I must say that it is not an anagram. An anagram deals with letters and words, this never uses them.
Message: Posted by: reviewerman (Dec 17, 2010 10:05AM)
Dekel;

It uses a technique that is functionally identical to a progressive anagram. Identical.

That it does not use words or letters is only a technicality.

If anyone hates using progressive anagrams, they'll hate this too.
Message: Posted by: aukt (Dec 17, 2010 10:08AM)
While technically this doesn't use a progressive anagram, it operates in the exact same way. You're suggesting something, waiting for feedback, and based on that feedback you change your script/questioning. It's fishing in the same way a PA is.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Dec 17, 2010 12:11PM)
Regardless if it uses a variation of a PA, is it better or more deceptive than Thought Chunnel? or equal or not as good?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 17, 2010 12:22PM)
I guess we've established Reviewman doesn't like Progressive Anagrams. However, many do, and when executed properly can be a very useful and powerful performance tool.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Dec 17, 2010 12:58PM)
@lunatik: It's different than Thought Chunnel. I would say that it is different than Thought Chunnel, in the fact that it's a fishing system as opposed to a fishing/multiple alternative forcing system.

@Mindpro: I personally like the concept of anagrams, just don't use them often because they are quite difficult and terribly transparent. Dream Signs is neither.
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 17, 2010 02:58PM)
Hi Guys!
I also like DREAM SIGNS.
The most important part when using a PA or Branching Tree Anagram is trying to get no NOs!
This is the hard part after creating a suitable anagram. I don't know if you already read my ZODIAC from 120% Chestosteron. I really love this routine because with that you can always jazz with your answers.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Dec 17, 2010 03:03PM)
Yes, Dream Signs never involves No's. I've heard of your book, but was under the impression that your technique only works in German?
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 17, 2010 03:16PM)
It avoids neins?
Message: Posted by: tkahng (Dec 17, 2010 05:43PM)
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On 2010-12-17 16:16, Dr Spektor wrote:
It avoids neins?
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ja
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 17, 2010 05:57PM)
:-D It also works in Englisch! There are some finer points that are lost in translation BUT I think that it is quite flawless if you really learn it the way it should be
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 17, 2010 07:43PM)
Here is a review:
http://magicfriday.blogspot.com/2010/07/zodiac-by-chester-sass.html
Message: Posted by: JohnWells (Dec 17, 2010 10:37PM)
Thanks for that plug...now back to topic.

I like Dream Signs. Yes it is structurally similar to PA, but gets past the "I'm going to divine which of twelve words you are trying to spell in your head" effect of most routines of this type. It also avoids the increasing issue of people who can't spell.
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Dec 19, 2010 02:16PM)
Quinns Thought Chunneling, Sass's Zodiac, Love's Dream Signs, Nu's Astrologic, Jermay's Three Cheers for the Underrated, Ayres' Out on a Limb . . . all works of grand substance.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Dec 19, 2010 03:54PM)
Which one is more direct and deceptive by themselves, Dream Signs or Nu's Signagram?

or would it be better to pick up Alain Nu ASTROLOGIC which has a compilation? I see on his site that he has a The Astrologic Training Program (ATP) for $100 which is online and you get virtual subjects to practice on. Has anyone used this before and if so, how helpful was it? Sorry for the many questions :)
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 19, 2010 04:36PM)
Hi Lunatik,
just for your information, everybody gets a training tool for free with my ZODIAC! ;-)
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 19, 2010 04:41PM)
It is very hard to decide on one thing because everybody works different.
Alain Nu's work is great. You can see that he knows what he does. In my opinion you should look at every single one to know which one suits you.
This was the reason why I created my own one. Is mine better than the rest? For ME personally YES, but maybe not for others. Try to check out as much as possible.
That is the only way to be sure what you need.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Dec 19, 2010 04:57PM)
If you're looking for a purely letter at a time / anagram approach, Doug Dyment's Sign Language is far stronger and easier to remember than Astrologic in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Chester Sass (Dec 19, 2010 05:03PM)
Bevbevvybev, you are absolutely right. But the problem is that in this case you really get NO's which are hard to cover! But Doug's was my starting point so I'm very thankful for this one.
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Dec 23, 2010 02:12PM)
Ditto! The venerable Doug Dyment is quiet the thinker / creator as well so many mentioned in this post. I believe a complete study of the many methods to achieve the one effect and thus to have the seeming ability to repeat the performance (using several methods to cancel out retrograde analysis) seems to be the optimum strategy, in order to ENTERTAIN & MYSTIFY.
Message: Posted by: ThoughtThief (Dec 23, 2010 10:17PM)
I am with John Wells on this one. I personally do not care for the effect of "divining, one out-of-place letter at a time, which of twelve known words you are spelling in your head" as a means of revealing a person's star sign. My two favorite published methods for the no-prop star sign divination effect are Daniel Love's Dream Signs and Chester Sass's Zodiac (from "120% Chestosterone"). Dream Signs uses no word-spelling. Zodiac uses it only briefly and has a clever ruse for reducing the field at the outset. Both create the effect of divining attributes of the star sign, and by extension the subject, which I think is how it should be.

TT
Message: Posted by: JohnWells (Dec 24, 2010 02:25AM)
I forget the child's name, a British mentalist with a Billy Idol haircut, but he was gushing over Dreamsigns when it came out (several years ago) and I think he was well justified in his enthusiasm.
Message: Posted by: ThoughtThief (Dec 24, 2010 12:04PM)
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On 2010-12-24 03:25, JohnWells wrote:
I forget the child's name, a British mentalist with a Billy Idol haircut, but he was gushing over Dreamsigns when it came out (several years ago) and I think he was well justified in his enthusiasm.
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The precocious tot with the peroxided locks you refer to is Kennedy, as I recall. (You forgot the violet tinted glasses.)

TT
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Oct 10, 2011 01:03PM)
I just purchased Dream Signs. I'm familiar with other methods (Alain Nu, Joshua Quinn) but this seems very interesting. It appears to be really a fun method and excellent training for other applications in mentalism.

I would like to hear about the success rate of others using this system.

Andre