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Topic: Fame is Fleeting Game
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 6, 2011 08:11PM)
Here's how the game works. The OP posts a name of someone who was once famous, and now presumably is obscure. If someone can answer why the person was famous, then s/he gets to put forward a name. Got it? Of course no Internet or other outside help.

So . . . George Metesky.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 6, 2011 09:31PM)
He was the linebacker for the world champion Vince Lombardy Greenbay Packers, or was that Ray Nitschke.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 6, 2011 09:40PM)
No. I actually know the answer, but technically I had outside help as I read a book of essays by Malcolm Gladwell over the holiday and one of his essays talked about George Metesky.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Jan 6, 2011 09:54PM)
So who is he already?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 6, 2011 10:22PM)
It's yours balducci, go ahead.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 6, 2011 10:40PM)
George Metesky was the Mad Bomber in New York, in the 1940s and 1950s.

Over Christmas, I read about him in one of Malcolm's essays (compiled in the book "What the Dog Saw") that dealt with FBI profilers. Which was a really rather interesting essay, because he discussed how the profilers use the same techniques as magicians, psychics, and astrologers who use cold reading techniques. I just googled and found the essay online here, for anyone interested in it:

http://www.gladwell.com/2007/2007_11_12_a_profile.html

Okay, so here is my once was famous now obscure name (maybe it is too easy, we'll see): Haile Selassie I
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jan 6, 2011 10:54PM)
Didn't he rule Israel at one time?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 6, 2011 11:03PM)
Father of Modern Reggae? Rah (King) Stafari (sp) i.e. Rastafarians?!
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 6, 2011 11:15PM)
I guess Lobo more or less has it. Close enough for me, anyway. My standards are not that high this evening. :) From Wikipedia (with some editing):

Haile Selassie I, "Power of the Trinity"[1]) (23 July 1892 – 27 August 1975), born Tafari Makonnen,[2] was Ethiopia's regent from 1916 to 1930 and Emperor of Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974.

Among the Rastafari movement, Haile Selassie is revered as the returned Messiah of the Bible, God incarnate. They perceives Haile Selassie as a messianic figure who will lead a future golden age of eternal peace, righteousness, and prosperity.

He gave a famous speech making him an icon for anti-Fascists around the world, and Time Magazine named him "Man of the Year", in 1936.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 6, 2011 11:37PM)
Pete Rademacher
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 7, 2011 07:42AM)
No clue.

Let's agree that if no one gets the answer within a reasonable amount of time to be determined by the Question Asker, then the QA will give the answer and then pose another name.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 7, 2011 11:08AM)
I'll put another one up at noon if ol' Pete is still unloved.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 7, 2011 11:12AM)
Noon is such a relative concept. :)
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 7, 2011 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-07 12:12, balducci wrote:
Noon is such a relative concept. :)
[/quote]

lol Sorry...PST - in about 2 3/4 hours.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 7, 2011 05:26PM)
I think you've got us all stumped Lobo.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 7, 2011 05:52PM)
Oops, sorry about that. Rademacher was an Olympic gold medal boxer who made boxing history by fighting for the world's heavyweight championship in his first professional fight. He actually dropped champion Floyd Patterson in the second round, but Patterson got up to knock him out in the 6th. In his second fight, Rademacher took on Zora Folley, an extremely tough contended. The guy went from 3-round amateur bouts to slugging it out with the best pros in the world. I think he ended up with a very mediocre professional record, something like 15-7, then retired while he still had his faculties and became a very successful businessman.

How about...Rob Pilatus?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 7, 2011 05:57PM)
The distant descendant of the Roman playwright, he ended up writing the screenplay for Howard the Duck?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 7, 2011 06:01PM)
Lobo
That name rings a bell, but I'm not sure where I've heard it?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 7, 2011 06:12PM)
Landmark...good guess, but not the answer we're looking for.

Al, I expected you to get the boxer, not this one!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 9, 2011 12:29PM)
And the answer is . . ?
Do we get to use the Internet if there's no answer within 24 hours?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 9, 2011 12:43PM)
Milli vanilli?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 9, 2011 12:47PM)
Ooh I think you're right Magnus. Definitely rings a bell.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 9, 2011 12:47PM)
Times up
Fab & Rob were Milli Vanilli, and Rob was found dead of a drug overdose.

My turn, Who was Arnold Raymond Cream, and Lobo's answer doesn't count.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 9, 2011 12:51PM)
John got it first, though.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 9, 2011 02:16PM)
That's ok, I'll take a turn later, I'm sure.

John
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 9, 2011 02:55PM)
I'm sorry if I had refreshed my screen I would have noticed that John did it first (without cheating too).

A hint
While on his way to certain fortune, and fame Arnold made a very bad decision with just three minutes to go that ruined everything.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 9, 2011 03:04PM)
Since Lobo can't take part the individual is clearly a boxer.

Here is the queen of fleeting fame: Who was and what happened to.....Sarah Holcomb
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 9, 2011 03:09PM)
Santa
It is not your turn, and perhaps Arnold was a famous trial lawyer.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 9, 2011 06:02PM)
If Arnold's name doesn't ring a bell perhaps Lobo knows this man's more famous name.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 9, 2011 06:10PM)
Ring a bell......Nice hint Al.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 9, 2011 06:59PM)
I'm saying it was a boxer, do I have to know his freakin' history? Now I do want to know his more famous name....

Sarah Holcomb....anyone? Lobo will know this...
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 9, 2011 07:44PM)
I called my dad and now know everything about Mr. Cream

Sarah Holcomb?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 9, 2011 08:21PM)
Mr. Cream took FIVE tries to rise to the top of his chosen profession.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 9, 2011 08:23PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-09 15:55, Al Angello wrote:
I'm sorry if I had refreshed my screen I would have noticed that John did it first (without cheating too).

A hint
While on his way to certain fortune, and fame Arnold made a very bad decision with just three minutes to go that ruined everything.
[/quote]
What's this three minute thing? I searched, and found nothing about three minutes.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 9, 2011 11:06PM)
He was the referee during the Ali (Clay) vs Liston fight and because of Ali dancing around the ring it threw off the count and some say he blew the round which is three minutes.

Sarah Holcomb hints:

1) She is not known, to my knowledge, by another name (she may have married)
2) Virtually everyone here will say a version of "oh yeah, I know who she is" when they find out who she is.
3) If you can find a trace of her today let the world know cuz no one else can.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 9, 2011 11:20PM)
Arnold = "Jersey Joe" Walcott, heavyweight champion of the world who came within an inch of being the only guy to beat Rocky Marciano. Leading on all cards through 12 rounds, he got caught by a perfect Marciano right hand in the final minute of the 13th round (out of 15), and it was lights out.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 10, 2011 07:17AM)
Balducci
Jersey Joe was way ahead on points, and after the 12 round they took a good look at Rocky's face which was bleeding badly, Rocky knew that he only had the 13th round left before they would call the fight on a technicality, so in the 13 round Rocky chased Joe around the ring until he caught Joe with a right hand, knocked him out, and Rocky Marciano retired undefeated.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 10, 2011 03:51PM)
We resolved your answer due to your obvious hint and now you have decided to ignore my brilliant name brought up who truly had fleeting fame. Now does everyone surrender or who, without cheating, knows who

Sarah Holcomb

is? I even gave hints!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 10, 2011 06:05PM)
Oh come on... no one knows? Let me see if I can provide another hint.....

I would say that everyone on this board has seen her at one time or another.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 10, 2011 08:05PM)
She was in a TV show, but I don't know which one, or for how long.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 10, 2011 08:23PM)
No, never on a TV show....

More hints!

Her career lasted only two years.

She had a more successful career than most, based on popularity, in her field.

She is still alive.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 10, 2011 10:26PM)
Wild guess--was she in an advertisement for a product?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 10, 2011 10:33PM)
I'm thinkin'--and I'm afraid to say it--Caddyshack.

I'm embarrassed about this whether I'm right or wrong.

John
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 10, 2011 10:55PM)
I'll give it to John!

Sarah Holcomb was in four movies over two years. Of those four one was Animal House where she played the teen daughter of the mayor who went to the toga party with Pinto and the other was Caddyshack where she played Maggie the Irish girlfriend of the main character. So in two years she was in two of the most popular comedies of all time. Unfortunately mental illness and drugs caused her to have a mental breakdown and by age 20 she was gone from Hollywood and to this day no one is sure where she is though she is seemingly alive and still not well.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 10, 2011 10:59PM)
Hmm. My turn. I'll go with someone many of you would recognize by face, but I'm guessing not by name: Persis Khambatta.


John
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 10, 2011 11:06PM)
The forbidden dance in Khartoum?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 09:32AM)
For Santa (who already has this burned permanently in the DVD of his mind) and others--the lovely Miss Holcomb:

http://vimeo.com/1299938
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 03:36PM)
John,
Hint?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 03:54PM)
Thank you Landmark....you should note that the bass player for Otis Day and the Nights in that video is blues great Robert Cray.

Since John has left I shall give a hint as to who Persis is:

Mega nerds and dorks will recognize her (and believe me, she was smooooookin' hot)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 04:30PM)
John asked me to pass on this hint: Star Trek.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 04:35PM)
Oh for christ sakes, that's not a hint that is an answer. Take a vacation John!

Here's another hint...she's dead.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 11, 2011 06:16PM)
She was an actress who played a bald alien in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Here's an easy one (probably). I know MagicSanta knows this one, so Santa hold off on answering for a few hours and let others try first, okay? :)

Who is Tina Weymouth?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 06:25PM)
I do know who she is and I thought this was about people who got famous then vanished from the scene? I shan't answer the question but I shall say she was a pioneer in her field.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 11, 2011 06:28PM)
"The OP posts a name of someone who was once famous, and now presumably is obscure."

I sorta thought (obviously) that TW fit the bill. Can't say I have heard anything at all about her in a long while.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 06:36PM)
You could be right....I'll PM you why I think she may still be valid.

I thought about it, she is a good one, I'm just no longer valid myself.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 11, 2011 06:46PM)
Bassist for the Talking Heads. I went to school with her niece many moons ago.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 11, 2011 06:50PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-11 19:46, Nom de Guerre wrote:
Bassist for the Talking Heads. I went to school with her niece many moons ago.
[/quote]
Correctamundo. Small world.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 11, 2011 06:52PM)
Trying to think of a good one...
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 11, 2011 06:53PM)
Eadweard Muybridge
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 06:54PM)
Now you are just making names up....!
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 11, 2011 06:58PM)
I know it is a messed up spelling, but that's really his name, and how he spelled it.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 07:00PM)
The odd thing is the last name sound familiar but I don't know why. Gaddy! Where are you? There is a Muybridge in San Francisco, go find out what he was.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 07:26PM)
While waiting for Gaddy to check San Francisco for me (it isn't really a large place relative to population) I'll mention that Tina Weymouth was also with Tom Tom Club and she was one of the first women in rock that was not a show piece but a serious musician and part of the whole unit. The first was Mo Tucker (arguments accepted) who was the drummer for Velvet Underground. The Doors had a female bass player for a bit, they don't recall her name and she must be dead cuz she hasn't surfaced, then realized that the keyboard player could do the bass parts just as well.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 11, 2011 08:38PM)
As an aside, many years ago I worked on a documentary film about a band called, "Half Japanese," in which we interviewed Mo Tucker. The film was called "Half Japanese: The Band that Would Be King."

Mo was great, and had some amazing stories as you might imagine.

A hint to Eadweard Muybridge. There is indeed a San Francisco connection, and there is a statue of him in San Francisco.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 09:25PM)
Muybridge was the photographer who took the stop action photos of the horses galloping to prove that at some point along the way, all four legs are in the air.

Here's one that's fairly easy: Frank Wills.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 10:35PM)
That Muybridge is mentioned in the Stanford museum in Palo Alto Ca and they have that horse and a buffalo running around in kind of like animation photos if you know what I mean, a series of 'em.

Frank Wills was Gary Colemans brother on that TV show of theirs with the hot dead girl. He'd say "whatsu tawkin'bout Wills" to him.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 11:00PM)
Afraid not.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 11, 2011 11:03PM)
Stole 104 bases in a single season for the Dodgers?

Or he was the lead in Die Hard?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 11, 2011 11:12PM)
Yes! Die Hard! He was in the Yamaguchi building, which featured a skating rink in the lobby. What do we win Jack?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 11, 2011 11:37PM)
Not Bruce or Maury . . . he made it big on tape . . .
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM)
It is the real name of mysterious porn star Long Dong Silver?
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 12, 2011 01:02AM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-11 22:25, landmark wrote:
Muybridge was the photographer who took the stop action photos of the horses galloping to prove that at some point along the way, all four legs are in the air.
[/quote]

Exactly. The question was a hotly debated one at the time. The "bet" was with former Governor of California, Leland Stanford, who bankrolled the project. Muybridge used 24 cameras lined up on the race track and used string across the track connected to the shutters of the cameras. The horse tripped the shutters as it ran through through the strings. He is allegedly the first person to actually project motion pictures onto a screen in 1880. The images were from this horse motion capture experiment.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 12, 2011 03:59AM)
That is cool....
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 12, 2011 10:40AM)
Didn't know that Muybridge was the first to screen a film projection.

Okay Frank Wills, another hint: he was a discoverer of sorts; part of homeland security, if your home is on the road . . .
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 12, 2011 02:47PM)
It hit me who Franm Wills is! He is a character on Forrest Gump!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 12, 2011 10:17PM)
Okay last hint: he played an important role in the misfortunes of the most famous graduate of Whittier College.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 12, 2011 10:21PM)
Watergate burglar?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 12, 2011 10:28PM)
DEEP THROAT

I believe Richard Nixon graduated Whittier college
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 12, 2011 10:33PM)
Close, but not quite there yet. Look back at the other clues.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 12, 2011 10:37PM)
He was on Forrest Gump, I watched the DVD last night (fun movie, didn't like that girl) and Frank Wills was the character who Forrest called up when there were lights at the Watergate Hotel who was the guard that answered the phone.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 12:20AM)
Okay Santa, it's yours. I never saw Forrest Gump. Frank Wills was the security guard at the Watergate who discovered the piece of tape that was put on one of the doors by the burglars to keep the door mechanism from locking. It was downhill from there for E Howard hunt and Gordon Liddy and the rest of the Dirty Tricks team.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 12:51AM)
Hey! It was a real guy, here is the scene from Forrest Gump, listen at the very beginning what the guys name is who he calls....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aZ8vNagvks

Someone else come up with a fleeting with fame name cuz I can't think of anyone.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 07:39AM)
Okay: Robert Stroud.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 02:12PM)
I thought you west coast guys would get this one.
Hint: Charlie Parker's hobby?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 13, 2011 02:37PM)
The saxaphone player Charlie (bird) Parker?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 02:45PM)
Everyone who has been to San Francisco knows Robert Stroud. Good hint by the way. Robert Stroud was a raving lunatic murderer who, while in Levenworth Prison in Kansas, became an expert on Canary diseases. He later was transfered to Alcatraz where he was not allowed to work with birds but did kill a guy by ripping his veins out of his arm and bitting them off (per the tour guide at Alcatraz). People mistakenly thought he was a kind old man based on the Bert Lancastor movie, and the name Stroud is known by, THE BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ. People actually wanted this lunatic freed based on the movie....they didn't let him go.

Here is one: Robert Gates
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 02:52PM)
Not the secretary of defense...
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 02:55PM)
No....this fellow was hea...wait...you are correct, I meant Daryl Gates, so the thread is yours.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 03:06PM)
D of the CIA?


Okay...Gary Lockwood
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 03:31PM)
Gates was Chief of Police of the LAPD when the Rodney King thing went down. I know who Gary Lockwood is but shan't play. I remember all these stupid people but can't remember what day it is....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 03:35PM)
Herman Webster Mudgett.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 03:40PM)
Yeah Santa, I knew about Daryl-I was finishing your sentence. Robert gates was head of the CIA


and I'm up critter, 3 pots up
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 03:41PM)
Wait, I did it wrong. Too many rules too remember. I quit.

I couldn't even delete the name to use later because I got beat to the edit.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 03:42PM)
Don't quit!!

who is gary lockwood? Critter, an old serial killer.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 03:51PM)
I'm afraid I can't tell you that, Dave.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 03:56PM)
***. Your turn.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 04:02PM)
Heck, all I know is serial killers and lunatics. I need to broaden my horizons.
Although I like your avatar quote and shall have plain white toast. Dry.
Hm...
Louis Cyr.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 05:53PM)
Herman Mudgett was a serial killer who built a special murder house in Chicago. He is often credited for being one of the first major serial killers. Sick mo fo. I also know my serial killers.....

Who was....Richard Jewell?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 05:56PM)
K
Gc already got mudgett. We,re on louis cyr now.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 13, 2011 05:58PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-13 18:53, MagicSanta wrote:

Herman Mudgett was a serial killer who built a special murder house in Chicago.
[/quote]
Herman Webster Mudgett (May 16, 1861[1] – May 7, 1896[2]), better known under the alias of Dr. Henry Howard Holmes.

There was a book about him I've been meaning to read. From Wikipedia:

The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America (Crown Publishers, ISBN 0609608444) is a 2003 non-fiction book by Erik Larson presented in a novelistic style. The book is based on real characters and events. Leonardo DiCaprio purchased the film rights in 2010.

Bringing Chicago circa 1893 to vivid life, "The Devil In the White City" intertwines the true tale of two men - Daniel H. Burnham, the brilliant architect behind the legendary 1893 World's Fair, striving to secure America's place in the world; and Dr. H.H. Holmes, the cunning serial killer who used the fair to lure his victims to their death in his elaborately constructed "Murder Castle."
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 06:02PM)
That is right. He would have young ladies who were in town to work at the fair get a room then he'd slide 'em down and off 'em. Was he also the one that made sausage out of people?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 06:05PM)
Louis Cyr? Come on...everyone here should know who that is....but, lets see.....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 07:39PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-13 18:58, balducci wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-01-13 18:53, MagicSanta wrote:

Herman Mudgett was a serial killer who built a special murder house in Chicago.
[/quote]
Herman Webster Mudgett (May 16, 1861[1] – May 7, 1896[2]), better known under the alias of Dr. Henry Howard Holmes.

There was a book about him I've been meaning to read. From Wikipedia:

The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America (Crown Publishers, ISBN 0609608444) is a 2003 non-fiction book by Erik Larson presented in a novelistic style. The book is based on real characters and events. Leonardo DiCaprio purchased the film rights in 2010.

Bringing Chicago circa 1893 to vivid life, "The Devil In the White City" intertwines the true tale of two men - Daniel H. Burnham, the brilliant architect behind the legendary 1893 World's Fair, striving to secure America's place in the world; and Dr. H.H. Holmes, the cunning serial killer who used the fair to lure his victims to their death in his elaborately constructed "Murder Castle."
[/quote]

One of my friends gave me that book for my birthday. It is very good but dry in parts.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 07:47PM)
Let's see, was Louis Cyr a western pulp novelist or am I thinking of someone else? I know who Richard Jewell is though.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 07:53PM)
You are thinking Louis Lamour, who was a great writer by the way.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 08:00PM)
Richard jewll? The 96' olympics bomber?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 08:05PM)
So Louis Cyr is still up for grabs. Not the brother of Lily St. Cyr I would bet.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 08:25PM)
I don't know who Lily St. Cyr was but she is mentioned in a Rocky Horror Show song...

Richard Jewell was the guard who found the bomb and was accused of planting it, he didn't. I believe he's dead now.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 13, 2011 08:49PM)
Lily St. Cyr was an old time burlesque stripper. Anyway, Louis Cyr. Any hints or is too early?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 09:19PM)
I gave a hint, everyone here (at least some) should know who he was.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 09:19PM)
Here's a clue: He looks exactly like my best friend, Mike. Does that help ;)
I think some Canadians would still remember the name.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 09:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-13 18:56, critter wrote:
K
Gc already got mudgett. We,re on louis cyr now.
[/quote]

This one was typed on my tablet instead of my laptop. Still not used to the little gadget, obviously.
"Worst. Punctuation. Ever."
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 13, 2011 09:25PM)
Jewell was a hero and an American tragedy. Cyr sounds familiar, but I can't place him.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 13, 2011 09:28PM)
Santa's hint is subtle but good. Here's another:
[img]http://assets.portfolio.com/images/site/editorial/lifestyle/2007/09/27-keg-beer-large.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 11:39PM)
Okay, critter-didn't I get the serial killer? 4th post from the top? I hate keeping track.

And I was kidding about Jewell, it was horrible how he was hounded.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 13, 2011 11:44PM)
I think one who knows about Louis has recently taken absence.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 13, 2011 11:44PM)
Herman was a serial killer, I've never heard of Gary Lockwood, who you said was a serial killer. If he isn't then no one got him right and Herman was out of line. So I guess we need Louis Cyr (hint: pronounce the last name in different ways until you find a clue) and this Lockwood person.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 09:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-14 00:39, kcg5 wrote:
Okay, critter-didn't I get the serial killer? 4th post from the top? I hate keeping track.
[/quote]

You did but since I didn't understand the rules yet and hadn't answered your question I thought Mudgett didn't count because I did it wrong.

Santa,
Lockwood was a stuntman and actor who played Doctor Frank Pool in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey. That's why I did the HAL thing.

Here's another clue for Cyr, "Bully!"
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 14, 2011 09:55AM)
I knew who Lockwood was (though not the 2001 thing, I remember he was the star of a sixties TV show where he played a Marine) but I'm still stumped on Louis Cyr.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 10:17AM)
I remembered Lockwood mostly from my grandpa's Westerns. When I saw 2001 I was like "Hey, it's that guy."
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 03:09PM)
Here's another clue: Freight Train.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 03:23PM)
You know Critter, either you and I are thinking of two difference Louis Cyr or Louis Cyr is known for two different things. Based on your excellent clues I'd say your guy is a strong man cuz they toss kegs and pull freight trains, as seen on ESPN2. I was thinking of a mentalist by that name.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 03:24PM)
I never saw that space movie with lockwood.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 14, 2011 04:07PM)
Strongman, from The North.


Karch Kiraly
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 04:10PM)
That is a real name?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 05:10PM)
Strongman is correct. A national hero in Canada. Billed as the strongest man alive in his day. Could lift a beer keg with one hand gripping only the rim. Pulled a freight car uphill. Still has unbroken records.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 05:27PM)
So there are two Louis Cyr'? Dang....Is Karch a name?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 05:32PM)
Must be two. I am a big fan of strongman history. No idea who this karblechek fellow is though.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 05:39PM)
Now I'm confused. Kevin! Is that a name of a person we are suppose to guess? If so I have no clue.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 14, 2011 06:55PM)
Yes, he is the name.

Sports (hint)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 07:48PM)
OJ's accomplice?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 08:00PM)
Yes! Critter must be right so pick a real name Critter!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 14, 2011 08:14PM)
Karch was a champion volleyball player from UCLA. I met him at an airport once. Nice guy, and a phenomenal player. I believe he won Olympic gold, dominated the indoor (gym) game, then played pro beach for a while, and did very well there, also (most seem to excel at one version or the other).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 08:21PM)
Seems true to me....pick a person with fleeting fame Lobo!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 14, 2011 08:34PM)
Winfield Hancock
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 09:00PM)
Gotta be a lawyer, no one but lawyers would be named Winfield.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 09:06PM)
There was a Winfield Scott back in the Mexican American War. Winfield...was that draculas sidekick or Reinfield? Either way both he and Dracula were lawyers....there is a Winfield Blvd in San Jose that runs behind Oakridge Mall....
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 14, 2011 10:55PM)
Lobo, you met him? I got him to sign something after a tournament, but that was it. I was way into volleyball, and he was the Jordan of volleyball(or Jordan is the Kiraly of basketball). Karch won two indoor, two beach gold medals for the US-voted twice (3 times?) the worlds best player by the FIVB, international volleyball association. Most wins on the beach ever, I think.


Dave Winfield played baseball...
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 14, 2011 11:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-14 23:55, kcg5 wrote:
Lobo, you met him? I got him to sign something after a tournament, but that was it. I was way into volleyball, and he was the Jordan of volleyball(or Jordan is the Kiraly of basketball). Karch won two indoor, two beach gold medals for the US-voted twice (3 times?) the worlds best player by the FIVB, international volleyball association. Most wins on the beach ever, I think.


Dave Winfield played baseball...
[/quote]

"Met" him liked talked to him for maybe 2-3 minutes.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 11:16PM)
I met that Tony Hawk the skater when he was on a tour with his team and he was a teen, at the airport. I, being drunk and oblivious to skateboarding, suggested he quit because working at McDonalds would give him more practical experience than skateboarding, which would never make him a dime.

He told me how they have sponsers basically took off with his pals...he should have listened to me, I bet he can't even cook his own hamburger today.

Dave Winfield!

Okay, Hancock...there is Jim Hancock who worked for me and didn't do a good job. There was the movie Hancock, the guy who signed the Dec of Independence, and some civil war guy I can't recall, and the insurance company.

Okay, my official guess is that Winfield Hancock is a kid who got beat up a lot in school just because of his name.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2011 11:39PM)
Yeah, I only know the crappy superhero movie and the guy who autographs stuff.
Legend has it that his name was originally John Footpenis but he changed it to Hancock.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 14, 2011 11:47PM)
Yeah...do you think he signed big to over compensate?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 15, 2011 12:57PM)
Hancock was a very capable and popular Civil War general (he oversaw the repelling of Pickett's Charge, among other things). His middle name was Scott, after the general Santa cited. He lost one of the closest elections in presidential history, by popular vote - a couple of thousand votes separated him from James Garfield, out of about 9 million, and they carried the same number of states. The problem was, Grant had already been president, and "credited" with making a mess of it, so there was a public mistrust of retired military, to a fair extent. But for that mistrust, I might have posted "James Garfield," and everyone might have been asking, "Who?!"

I pass the rest of my turn to whomever posts next.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 15, 2011 01:54PM)
Everybody knows his stage name, but who is Reginald Kenneth Dwight?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 15, 2011 01:59PM)
He was Susie's boyfriend.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 15, 2011 02:01PM)
First tell me who Reginald is.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 15, 2011 02:25PM)
Elton John.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 15, 2011 03:06PM)
Congratulations Kevin
Back in the early 70's Patty Labelle's home phone rang, it was a piano player that backed her on her tour through England. He said "Patty this is Reg I'm playing the Spectrum Saturday night, and I want you there". Patty said "that's great news Reg, who are you with?". "Reg said Elton John". Patty said that's great I heard he is really good". "Reg said Patty I'm not with Elton John I am Elton John"

Kevin's turn
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 15, 2011 03:11PM)
What's really amazing is that between his born and stage names he had a total of five first names. Reginald, Kenneth, Dwight, Elton, John.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 15, 2011 03:13PM)
Critter
You have far too much time on your hands.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 15, 2011 03:44PM)
So this hancock was named after the famous Winfield Scott? Did Scott know him as a kid or something because I believe Winfield Scott was the general in charge during the start of the civil war but he was reallllly old. How interesting that a guy is named after a General and becomes a general.

Here is one: Douglas Kenney
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 15, 2011 03:58PM)
I think it's Kevin's turn, and I don't know if this is who Santa is thinking of, but Doug Kenney was one of the original writers and co-editor of the National Lampoon humor magazine. A bunch of that group went on to do Groundlings and SNL, but I'm not sure if Kenney was still involved.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 15, 2011 04:02PM)
Yes! Landmark got it. He also wrote Animal House (he played stork, the guy who took over the band at the end of the movie and marched them into a wall) and Caddyshack with his pals including Harold Ramos. He was walking along a cliff in Hawaii with Chevy Chase and fell to his death. When asked if it was a suicide Chevy said that he felt Kenney accidentally fall while looking for a place to jump.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 15, 2011 04:32PM)
Here's an easy one: Donna Hanover.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 15, 2011 05:02PM)
No clue.... was she the first bankrobber? I know when they rob banks they say 'hanover the money!'
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 15, 2011 07:36PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-15 15:01, Al Angello wrote:
First tell me who Reginald is.
[/quote]

I already had...he was Susie's boyfriend.

"...I remember when rock was young/me and Susie had so much fun/holding hands and skimming stones/had a old gold Chevy and a place of our own..."

The BIGGEST kick they ever got, though, was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock. Whatever the heck that was.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 15, 2011 08:03PM)
So, technically, lobo got it before me....
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 15, 2011 08:17PM)
Yeah yeah, Elton Johns real name (or John Elton as all the mothers called him). We are on Donna Hanover now.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 15, 2011 08:49PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-15 16:13, Al Angello wrote:
Critter
You have far too much time on your hands.
[/quote]

3 Day weekend!

This is how I study. I have a short attention span so I read my flashcards for a minute, type something on here, read a little more flashcards, type something else...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 16, 2011 12:01AM)
Oh, I thought this one was a gimme.
Okay, maybe in context: Her ex is a politico.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 12:17AM)
Name isn't familiar at all....
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 16, 2011 12:33AM)
East coasters should know her, definitely, and everyone knows her ex, even though he failed to make it to the top.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 12:36AM)
Wait....this is completely a guess based on where you live and the hint. Shoot, I can't remember his name, but the mayor of New York after Koch who was around on 9-11 had an affair and his wife booted him out of the mayors mansion, that I recall, was she, the donna woman, the recepient of his love'in?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 16, 2011 12:50AM)
Elliot Spitzer?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 01:00AM)
I've heard that name before but can't place it...then again I'm doped up at the moment.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 16, 2011 01:27AM)
Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani's ex.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 16, 2011 10:31AM)
I think that one goes to Santa first. Yes Donna Hanover, who later got a show on the Food Network, first learned about her divorce when Rudy announced it to the press. That he was two-timing her was no secret as he used to bring his girlfriend Judi Nathan, whom he eventually married, to all kinds of public functions even while he was married to Hanover. Before that the long suffering Donna had to deal with Rudy's affair with one of his top aides, Christyne Latygano. Anyway, Hanover is now happily remarried.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 10:36AM)
"Hanover Fiste, calling Hanover Fiste!"
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 02:49PM)
I may not know much but I know people and pick up clues well! Nom, pick a person as I can't at the moment.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 16, 2011 07:59PM)
Paul Avery
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:05PM)
Investigative reporter! Did a lot of stuff on zodiac killer.
I know serial killers :)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:07PM)
Not the guy from the San Francisco Chronicle is it? He was on the radio as was his wife who ran a group of hookers. I doubt that he would be the one cuz I don't know why he would be known outside of the bay area and only those into crime and the Zodiac Killer (who killed right off the Mt. Herman exit, as I point out to my wife every time we pass it).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:08PM)
So Critter and I think the same way. Wasn't there an Avery who did cartoons or something?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 16, 2011 08:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-16 21:05, critter wrote:
Investigative reporter! Did a lot of stuff on zodiac killer.
I know serial killers :)
[/quote]

My girlfriend was the payroll accountant on "Zodiac." Does that count?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:09PM)
Do I have the wrong Paul Avery? Thought maybe my bizarre hobbies may have come in handy for once...
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:09PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-16 21:08, MagicSanta wrote:
So Critter and I think the same way. Wasn't there an Avery who did cartoons or something?
[/quote]

Tex Avery! I'm on a roll!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:10PM)
The movie? That is cool.... why didn't the Zebra Killers get better press?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:11PM)
Is the writer the Paul Avery in question???? We gottsa know!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:12PM)
I have my name ready if it is... awaiting confirmation.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:15PM)
I hate to ask this but did Paul Avery write a book on Zodiac or something? I just read his articles in the paper.
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 16, 2011 08:19PM)
You guys got it... with a slight nod to critter on the speed of his reply. Wow. I thought that might last at least a little while!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:22PM)
We know our killers! If I didn't type so much I would have beat him.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-16 21:15, MagicSanta wrote:
I hate to ask this but did Paul Avery write a book on Zodiac or something? I just read his articles in the paper.
[/quote]

Not that I know of but Downey played him in the movie that Lobo mentioned and I think he lived in Seattle for a while.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 08:26PM)
Yay! I've been feeling pop-culturally impaired with some of these names.

Chris Burke.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 08:28PM)
I know I know! Hint...psuedo sister I had the hots for....
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 10:01PM)
Since no one answered I'll give it, Chris Burke was the kid with downs syndrome who was on a TV show years ago with that hot lil' actress who played his sister, whatever her name was. I remember because my brother in law is mentally challenged and I get to hear about Chris Burke opening doors for them when ever I see my brother in law.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 10:03PM)
Here is one that should be easy or hard, depending on your age:

Pete Best
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 10:09PM)
The original drummer for the Beatles!
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Jan 16, 2011 10:10PM)
Original drummer for the Beatles.

Bernard Goetz
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 16, 2011 10:10PM)
New York subway shooter.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 16, 2011 10:11PM)
Go for it, Critter
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 16, 2011 10:23PM)
Cú Chulainn
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 10:44PM)
Oh come on.....
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 16, 2011 11:27PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-16 23:23, critter wrote:
Cú Chulainn
[/quote]

Too vague...middle initial?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 11:37PM)
Can you use it in a sentence?
Message: Posted by: Nom de Guerre (Jan 16, 2011 11:45PM)
I shot an interview with Pete Best in Liverpool three months ago. He was very cool, and had a great perspective on the whole thing.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 16, 2011 11:51PM)
He'll always be a trivia answer, better than most of us can say.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 17, 2011 09:46AM)
I remember I once almost bought a record album titled "Best of the Beatles." Well, it wasn't what I thought it was . . .
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 17, 2011 10:48AM)
Darn. I almost thought this one was a gimme.
No middle initial but his name means 'Hound of Ulainn' in Gaelic.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 17, 2011 10:50AM)
The movie "Backbeat" was kind of popular back in my day. The original Beatles lineup was the focus.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 17, 2011 01:21PM)
Another clue:
Think Herc.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 17, 2011 02:11PM)
A chinese strongman with herculean strength?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 17, 2011 03:26PM)
If it is Gaelic I'd say it is an Irish guy! Since you are on a strong man kick...an Irish Strongman!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 17, 2011 07:07PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-17 16:26, MagicSanta wrote:
If it is Gaelic I'd say it is an Irish guy! Since you are on a strong man kick...an Irish Strongman!
[/quote]

Well... technically. You can have that one since no one else seems to be getting it. He's actually a mythological character. He was sort of the Hercules of Ireland. He had to serve a king for going on a berserker rage and killing some folks he shouldn't have.
Was as popular in Ireland as Herc was in Greece or Thor in Scandanavia.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 18, 2011 09:24AM)
Santa, it's up to you.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 18, 2011 05:08PM)
I didn't get it, I still don't know who chu is.

Okay....lemme see....

Who was Cliff Burton?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 18, 2011 05:44PM)
Metallica's bassist, died in a bus crash, Kirk Hammett still has guilt!
One of the greatest bassists who ever lived!

Also the reason they never fully accepted the other guy.

Cliff 'Em All!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 18, 2011 05:49PM)
Grady Stiles
That name should be down some folks' alley on here.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 18, 2011 05:59PM)
Cliff never would've shaved his head, and he would've kept 'em on track. They had good post-Cliff albums and great songs, but the last great Metallica album was Master of Puppets, and it's no coincidence.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 18, 2011 06:03PM)
Dang...I've heard the name Grady Stiles but can't place it. Masters of Puppets was a great album.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 18, 2011 06:56PM)
Hint: He's not a strongman.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 18, 2011 07:19PM)
That narrows the field.....
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 18, 2011 10:47PM)
More hints.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 18, 2011 10:49PM)
I've heard the name....he has something to do with the art or one of the allied entertainments. I just can't remember who he was.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 11:16AM)
Having trouble putting your [b]finger[/b] on it? I'd love to give you a [b]hand[/b], but may require some [b]buttering[/b] up.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 11:30AM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-18 18:59, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Cliff never would've shaved his head, and he would've kept 'em on track. They had good post-Cliff albums and great songs, but the last great Metallica album was Master of Puppets, and it's no coincidence.
[/quote]

I have all of thier cd's. Even the bad ones. I also have the book set "Learn to Play Guitar with Metallica."
I just can't stand it when they let Lars talk. That guy isn't as bright as he thinks he is.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 19, 2011 02:19PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-19 12:16, critter wrote:
Having trouble putting your [b]finger[/b] on it? I'd love to give you a [b]hand[/b], but may require some [b]buttering[/b] up.
[/quote]
I thought that was Marlon Brando in Last Tango in Paris.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 02:33PM)
Okay, I was up all night because I ran out of meds and I obsessed on this stupid guy. I remember the name from a documentary on that town in Florida where the circus people live and I keep thinking it is the Alligator man, who was a nice old guy married to a bearded woman (who wasn't bearded cuz she cut it off and was also elderly, I'm thinking they both are gone now). That name was on the documentary and I remember Melvin the dwarf with the nails, the Alligator guy and wife, and a sign painter and a guy with a handle bar mustache. Wait, I just read the clue and you said buttering up. There was a guy who use to do the freak shows who did something like accidentaly killed someone who was the lobster boy and he would be buttered, well not him but a lobster would be. He had deformed arms but he wasn't spoken to in the documentary cuz he may have been dead already but he lived in that florida town, Gilbertville or something. Do you put butter on alligator if you eat it? He hand hands though his problem was a skin condition of some sort. Based on the clue I'd say lobster boy but I really was thinking Alligator until that.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 19, 2011 03:07PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-19 12:30, critter wrote:

I just can't stand it when they let Lars talk. That guy isn't as bright as he thinks he is.
[/quote]

That's not really a fair standard to judge someone by. After all, nobody is as smart as Lars thinks he is. ;)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 03:17PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-19 15:33, MagicSanta wrote:
Okay, I was up all night because I ran out of meds and I obsessed on this stupid guy. I remember the name from a documentary on that town in Florida where the circus people live and I keep thinking it is the Alligator man, who was a nice old guy married to a bearded woman (who wasn't bearded cuz she cut it off and was also elderly, I'm thinking they both are gone now). That name was on the documentary and I remember Melvin the dwarf with the nails, the Alligator guy and wife, and a sign painter and a guy with a handle bar mustache. Wait, I just read the clue and you said buttering up. There was a guy who use to do the freak shows who did something like accidentaly killed someone who was the [b]lobster boy[/b] and he would be buttered, well not him but a lobster would be. He had deformed arms but he wasn't spoken to in the documentary cuz he may have been dead already but he lived in that florida town, Gilbertville or something. Do you put butter on alligator if you eat it? He hand hands though his problem was a skin condition of some sort. Based on the clue I'd say lobster boy but I really was thinking Alligator until that.
[/quote]

He was the Lobster Boy! It's all you.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 03:21PM)
Dang, I thought it was the alligator guy. What did the lobster boy do? He did something that shook up the town in Florida.

Melvin Burkhart
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 03:39PM)
Here is a hint, if you swung to punch him you would miss.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 03:41PM)
Is he a weeble wobble?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 03:43PM)
Here's a bio on "Lobster Boy and the Lobster People."
http://www.phreeque.com/grady_stiles.html
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 04:02PM)
There is a photo of a James Taylor, he was on that documentary I saw! You win, Melvin was a weeble wobble.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 04:18PM)
My biggest worry is the one guy who reads this and thinks he really was a weeble wobble... and then pretends he knew it the whole time.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 19, 2011 09:56PM)
Melvin Burkhart was the Human Blockhead. I don't know if he actually originated the stunt where you hammer a nail into your nasal cavity, but he probably did it longer than anybody. I think he was in his 80s when he died, maybe more, and he was doing that stunt up to the end. I saw him once in Coney Island at Todd Robbins' 10-in-1 sideshow. He also did this bizarre thing where he moved the muscles in either half of his body independently as if he were two separate people. He had an amusing line of patter. If I remember correctly, he performed at Todd Robbins' wedding just a few months before he died. BTW the Human Blockhead stunt is like sword swallowing--it's for real, no gimmicks.

Edward John Smith
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 10:14PM)
Captain of the Mayflower?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 19, 2011 10:27PM)
Any relation to the Mormon guy?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 19, 2011 11:29PM)
Maybe the secret name of that guy who talks to the dead on TV?
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Jan 20, 2011 03:00AM)
Santa, you were on the right track with your first guess. Edward John Smith was the Captain of the Titanic.

Richard Ramirez. Probably too easy but I can't think of anyone else at the moment.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 20, 2011 03:22AM)
Famed So. Cal. serial killer of the 80s.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 20, 2011 10:15AM)
Lobo already beat me to it but I want to add his press nickname:
"The Night Stalker." Creepy, creepy dude. Watched a lot of the courtroom footage and stuff for my forensic psych course.

I'm so dissapointed I didn't get the Titanic guy. I've read a lot about the Titanic and feel like I should have known that right away:(
Well, can't win 'em all.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 20, 2011 11:56AM)
Dang....a captain....those Smiths are sneaky.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 20, 2011 01:28PM)
Next name?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 20, 2011 02:36PM)
Lobo gets to name 'em. I don't think I should have received credit for a Mayflower joke.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 20, 2011 03:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-20 15:36, MagicSanta wrote:
Lobo gets to name 'em.
[/quote]

Correct. Just chomping at the bit to try and redeem myself for not knowing the Titanic guy.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 20, 2011 03:49PM)
Reminding Lobo not letting you know it was Lobo....how would you be expected to know the Titanic guy? No one knows that!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 20, 2011 03:53PM)
Yeah but I read a lot about the Titanic. According to my Aunt, who does all of our geneology on the Tuck side, I'm distantly related by marriage to J.J. Astor, who went down with the ship, so I have a keen interest in it. I should have at least known who the dang captain was.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 20, 2011 03:57PM)
Yes you should have! I read one book on it years ago so everything in it other than "ship float, ship hit iceberg, ship no float" is likely been proved wrong. Let's see of Lobo can come up with someone who wasn't famous in the first part of the last century.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 20, 2011 11:11PM)
Kevin Maas
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 20, 2011 11:19PM)
He is one of the owners of Maas Trucking!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 21, 2011 12:44PM)
Captain of the Brittanic?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 21, 2011 12:49PM)
The discoverer of the equation for Force/Acceleration?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 21, 2011 01:03PM)
E=Kevin Maas' Mom.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 21, 2011 01:21PM)
Wow, I thought Maas would be too easy. I guess he really was a good candidate for this thread. He was a New York Yankee who set home run records for fewest at bats to hit 10, then 13, then 15 home runs. He got called up mid-season and hit 21 home runs in 79 games, a good pace for just about anyone, let alone a rookie. Finished second in the Rookie of the Year voting, and looked like the next Babe Ruth.

The next year, he hit about the same number of home runs in twice as many games, struck out well over 100 times, and batted .220 After that, he went back and forth from the majors to the minors, got traded a couple of times, and never again looked anywhere near as good as he did during that first half-season.

Pass to whomever throws out the next name.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 21, 2011 01:23PM)
Arthur Roy Brown.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 21, 2011 03:20PM)
Easy since I brought him up before....he is the Canadian WW1 pilot that tried to steal credit from the Aussies for shooting down the Red Baron.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 21, 2011 03:38PM)
Ooops. It must've been during my absence.

sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
sorry for the repetition.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 21, 2011 04:19PM)
No, I brought him up a few times cuz it was an interesting mystery as to who shot down the Red Baron....

Here is a tough one but is a guy who should be known:

Gervais Raoul Lufbery
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 21, 2011 04:37PM)
That's a real name? Must be Ricky Gervais (long shot, I know.)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 21, 2011 04:54PM)
No....that was funny though. This fellow went by Raoul Lufbery and no longer living. Here is a hint, his fame was in two countries.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 21, 2011 10:03PM)
I couldn't answer the one about the Yankee. I got impatient and disqualified myself by Googling.

Is Raoul Puffberry another pilot?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 21, 2011 10:18PM)
Yes! Facinating man who organized American pilots to fight for France during the first world war. He was known for his pet lion and by the time he was switched over to the US flying corps he had 16 kills, making him a triple ace. He trained Eddie Rickenbacker, who was the greatest American ace, and Doug Campbell the first Navy ace...he would take them flying against Germans in planes w/ no weapons so they would really learn to fly. His plane was shot down and was burning so he climbed out and jumped, aiming, they think, for a river but he missed and landed on an iron fence. He ended his career w/ 17 victories and is counted as an ace by both France and the US (his father was American but he was raised in France)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 22, 2011 09:39AM)
Nice. Good clue. There were a lot of cool characters in WWII.

David John Harman.
Not a serial killer.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 22, 2011 12:09PM)
Not a serial killer??? So how the heck do you expect us to get it???
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 22, 2011 12:11PM)
Hint: D.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 22, 2011 03:31PM)
D. John Harman the inventor of Dijon mustard!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 22, 2011 03:37PM)
Aka:
Dave Dee
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 22, 2011 04:20PM)
Dave Dee invented D'jon mustard? Coooool
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 22, 2011 04:26PM)
As in:Dozy,beaky,mick and tich?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 22, 2011 05:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-22 17:26, Ray Tupper. wrote:
As in:Dozy,beaky,mick and tich?
[/quote]

You got it!
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 23, 2011 05:59AM)
Chester Arthur Burnett.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 23, 2011 08:08AM)
Howlin' Wolf!
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 23, 2011 09:35AM)
Bullseye!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 23, 2011 11:43AM)
Bullseye was famous for being a villian in Daredevil ;)
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 23, 2011 11:53AM)
Time for a twofer:

Frédéric Passy and Henry Dunant
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 23, 2011 04:27PM)
I think Dunant was a founder/starter of the Red cross...The other,never heard of him.
Is the answer The Red cross?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 23, 2011 04:29PM)
Ray is correct about Dunant. Passy is not connected to the Red Cross, but Dunant and Passy became famous together for a different reason.

If nobody comes up with it, Ray get's the point.

John
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 23, 2011 04:57PM)
I know! Well, I think I know but give Ray the win cuz his answer tipped the real one....let's jst say both were firsts.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 23, 2011 11:01PM)
How's about you give the full answer, Santa, then pass the torch to Ray?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 23, 2011 11:05PM)
They both were the first year winners of the Nobel Peace Prize....well, the red cross dude was and Im assuming the other guy was.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 03:16AM)
Nice one Santa!
Cedric Gibbons.
(Topical for this time of year)
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 24, 2011 08:01AM)
Well done, Santa. Passy was known at the time for his work in arbitrating peace between nations and for establishing systems of international arbitration.

And Ray, I don't have the slightest clue.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 10:49AM)
One of the Bee Gee's?
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 01:55PM)
Hint:
The first name of the man that had nothing to declare but his brilliance.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 24, 2011 01:59PM)
First best actor Oscar winner?
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 02:07PM)
We're in the right ballpark.
Think along the lines of casting and design.
(The words casting and design are very ambiguous.)
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 24, 2011 02:09PM)
Sounds like something Oscar Wilde would say.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 02:53PM)
First fly fisherman to win an Oscar?
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 03:04PM)
Think more of the little gold fellow,then the casting.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 04:07PM)
He was the model? I've never really looked at one before...the statue.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 04:47PM)
He actually designed it.
I read it in an article in the paper after the golden globes.
You're close enough.Your fly fisherman quip should win anything hands down anyway!
Ray.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 04:58PM)
Gee...brilliant designer. Here you go.....

Syd Barrett
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 24, 2011 05:05PM)
One of my favourite bands.
I'll let this one ride though.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 05:07PM)
Cool...hint... Brian Jones of the mind.....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 05:12PM)
Sex pistols?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 24, 2011 05:13PM)
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 05:14PM)
Kidding. That was sid vicious.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 05:15PM)
?Pink floyd or wa that a guess not a hint? Think I was too slow.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 05:33PM)
Yes! Syd was a founding member of Pink Floyd who had a mental breakdown. The Wall was based on a lot of what Syd went through. Facinating story...he died a few years ago. One thing about Shine On You Crazy Diamond, which was about Syd. During the recording a big heavy man was sitting in the booth and no one knew who it was. After they recorded the song he left and the guitar player who replaced Syd, Gilmore, asked about him and found out it was Syd who looked so bad and shaved his head that he didn't look the same. NEXT!

Here is the story about the recording, a bit different than what was on the radio interview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_On_You_Crazy_Diamond

and the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQ
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 06:58PM)
Okay did Magnus get it or was he dropping a hint? I'm confused. And hungry.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 07:08PM)
He clearly knew....he may have passed it on. I know I have a hard time thinking of people.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 24, 2011 10:28PM)
I knew and was trying to be clever. Play on!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 10:36PM)
Okay so your turn bud.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 10:45PM)
John seems to be passing it to you Critter.....and we all know who Bobby Beausoleil is
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 24, 2011 10:52PM)
The Waterboy? ;)

Charles Dennis Buchinsky
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 24, 2011 11:05PM)
Bobby was the real reason behind the Manson murders....

Bushinsky? The condensed title of a song about Pres. Bush on acid written by Paul McCartney?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 11:07AM)
Yeah, never thought much of ol' Bobby.
Manson was interesting. I never could understand why people follow cats like him, Koresh, what's his name with the other sex cult... I don't know. Some lonely mofo's out there or something.
Only Mr. Buchinsky could stop someone like that.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 25, 2011 11:55AM)
Hey critter, I'm thinking that Mr. Bucinsky is outside of our theme, given that he is still famous, but he's never been famous under that name. (I'm disqualifying myself for googling.)

John
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 01:11PM)
I thought maybe he wasn't as well known now as he used ter be.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 25, 2011 01:32PM)
Again, Santa, you warm my heart. FLOYD RULES. I would say that "the wall" was more about Waters and his stuff, but most of their music is up for debate. Heard that same story about sid in the studio.

Get Nick Mason's book "inside out"

I have no idea about the new name. so there
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 01:47PM)
I looked it up and we are playing 'was famous for a while but not anymore' not 'real name'! FOUL!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 04:07PM)
Alright but I didn't think he was that famous anymore because nobody I've talked to seems aware that "The Mechanic" is a remake.
I'm straight up out of ideas if that one's no good. Whoever has any ideas can have my turn then.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 04:09PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:07, critter wrote:
Alright but I didn't think he was that famous anymore because nobody I've talked to seems aware that "The Mechanic" is a remake.
I'm straight up out of ideas if that one's no good. Whoever has any ideas can have my turn then.
[/quote]

Wait!!!
I retract!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 04:10PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:07, critter wrote:
Alright but I didn't think he was that famous anymore because nobody I've talked to seems aware that "The Mechanic" is a remake.
I'm straight up out of ideas if that one's no good. Whoever has any ideas can have my turn then.
[/quote]

Wait!!!
I retract!
Roscoe Arbuckle!

*Edit* Is it my internet acting wierd or the Café?

PS, I wasn't the first one who did 'real name.'
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 04:23PM)
No you were not....how can people not realize that The Mechanic is a remake? I remember at school a bunch of us walking around squeezing balls made out of wax.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 04:26PM)
Vastly underappreciated actor in this day and age I think. And one of the few actors who was a genuine badass in real life too.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 04:31PM)
Yes, and it is Charles Bronson and his The Mechanic and other films were great. Name another one. I think the other real name was Elton Johns and it was so well known no one complained.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 25, 2011 04:50PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:10, critter wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:07, critter wrote:
Alright but I didn't think he was that famous anymore because nobody I've talked to seems aware that "The Mechanic" is a remake.
I'm straight up out of ideas if that one's no good. Whoever has any ideas can have my turn then.
[/quote]

Wait!!!
I retract!
Roscoe Arbuckle!

*Edit* Is it my internet acting wierd or the Café?

PS, I wasn't the first one who did 'real name.'
[/quote]
Not sure if this is the going name now, but Roscoe, was better known as Fatty Arbuckle and was one of the most successful silent movie comedians of his day . . . until he was accused of of putting a Coke bottle into . . . well a place where a Cole bottle should not go ever.

Interestingly, last week I went to see the Houdini exhibit at the Jewish Museum (3 1/2 stars out of 5) and one of the items that caught my eye was a photo of our Erich posing with Fatty Arbuckle.

Somebody tell me whose turn it is.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 05:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:50, landmark wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:10, critter wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-01-25 17:07, critter wrote:
Alright but I didn't think he was that famous anymore because nobody I've talked to seems aware that "The Mechanic" is a remake.
I'm straight up out of ideas if that one's no good. Whoever has any ideas can have my turn then.
[/quote]

Wait!!!
I retract!
Roscoe Arbuckle!

*Edit* Is it my internet acting wierd or the Café?

PS, I wasn't the first one who did 'real name.'
[/quote]
Not sure if this is the going name now, but Roscoe, was better known as Fatty Arbuckle and was one of the most successful silent movie comedians of his day . . . until he was accused of of putting a Coke bottle into . . . well a place where a Cole bottle should not go ever.

Interestingly, last week I went to see the Houdini exhibit at the Jewish Museum (3 1/2 stars out of 5) and one of the items that caught my eye was a photo of our Erich posing with Fatty Arbuckle.

Somebody tell me whose turn it is.
[/quote]

I think it's yours.
Do you think Fatty did it?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 05:35PM)
Fatty was found not to be at fault for that gal dying! He was one of the fathers of modern comedy.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 05:38PM)
I don't think he did it either. Too bad the bad publicity screwed up his career and life.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 25, 2011 06:18PM)
Richard Burbage.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 06:22PM)
No clue....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 07:06PM)
Hehe, you said boobage, hehe.
Holy crap, I learned something at the Ren Faires, Boobage was famous for... Acting!
The original star of the stage.

Bernhard Goetz
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 07:11PM)
New York People Pruner!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 07:42PM)
Correctamundo!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 08:20PM)
Mark the bird fidrych
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 25, 2011 09:20PM)
Flash in the pan pitcher for the Tigers who was as good as just about anyone ever...for a very short time.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 09:37PM)
Yes, and one of the most entertaining ball players of all time. He was killed by a farm truck that grabbed his shirt.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 25, 2011 10:07PM)
Clifford Irving
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 10:23PM)
My friend has an Uncle Irving (pronounced "Oy-ving") if that counts.
Is he the big red dog from the kids' books?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 10:29PM)
He's a writer cuz I read westerns and he wrote some. There are a lot of writers who's last name is Irvine.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 25, 2011 10:33PM)
He is a writer, but I'm looking specifically for a piece of work for which he was really well-known (infamous) for, for a while. A movie roughly based on his fame in this regard came out a while back.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 10:42PM)
Darn...makes sense....
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 10:50PM)
Was the movie a western? Was it "No Country for Old Men?"
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 25, 2011 11:20PM)
That wasn't about a writer!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2011 11:24PM)
Oh, I read it too fast. Thought it was a movie version of one of his Westerns. Movie about a writer... Hm...
Men Who Stare at Goats?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 25, 2011 11:40PM)
Nope...the movie wasn't that recent; about 5 years old. I'll try to think of a hint to spruce this one up.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 12:13AM)
Five years ago...blank. Spruce is a tree, there is The Spruce Goose, that big wood plane that Howard Hughes flew w/ I think is in Long Beach, maybe a Spruce is a xmas tree, I think it is a pine. That has to be the clue since it isn't a word one normally uses. Spruce grow on mountains...Irvine got wood on...Break Back Mountain! Is that right?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 26, 2011 12:44AM)
Howard Hughes? The Aviator?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 12:50AM)
Howard Hughes was the basis of Melvin and Howard which had Terri Garr topless (Praise Jeeeezus!), didn't, shoot, the guy who was in Pretty Woman, have a movie where he played a writer who did fraud? I think that was about Hughes but the name of the movie is a mystery to me. Was that the Aviator?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 26, 2011 12:55AM)
No, the Aviator was about Howard Hughes. Richard Gere? I think the movie about the writing hoax was just called the Hoax.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 12:59AM)
That be the man....
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 26, 2011 03:22AM)
Yeah, he wrote the bogus Hughes autobiography.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 26, 2011 10:04AM)
Orson Welles had a movie called F is for Fake which was about a famous art forger named Elmyr de Hory. In this documentary, a recent biographer of de Hory also appeared--the very same Clifford Irving. The Hughes hoax broke while Welles was filming, so the movie took an additional meta-twist into the world of hoaxes and cons. There was a great 60 Minutes interview with him many years ago. Interesting to us in particular would be his take on how to weave a convincing false story. You can find the transcript here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/01/28/60II/main154661.shtml

BTW Richard Burbage for those who don't know the name, was arguably the greatest English actor of all time. He was the lead man in Shakespeare's theatre company and as such was the first to play Hamlet, Othello, Antony, Lear, and many others. Some writers have imagined Shakespeare spurred on in his writing by saying to himself, "Here's one that Richard won't be able to pull off!"
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 26, 2011 11:23AM)
I think Santa gets the credit for that one.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 26, 2011 12:35PM)
'cmon Santa. I don't get too many of these, and I want some think time!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 03:31PM)
I didn't get it, what I did was fire a shot gun and a pellet hit. What was the movie? Take it Critter....

Stop w/ the dang easy hints. I love that crap.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 26, 2011 05:10PM)
Aw heck, I didn't get it. I just named the movie that you described. I didn't know anything about the writer.
The movie was called "The Hoax." With Richard Gere.

Okay, um...
Did I already do Jón Páll Sigmarsson?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 05:37PM)
You don't have to make names up dude.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 26, 2011 07:04PM)
Must be another Scandinavian muscle man.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 26, 2011 07:41PM)
Pretty much. Did I already say him? WSM competitor? Great hero to the Icelanders? I think I might have. I'm totally out of names.
I guess that makes it your turn John.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 26, 2011 07:45PM)
Critters goal...to find a strong man/serial killer....
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 26, 2011 08:36PM)
You made me do a spit take on that one Santa :)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 27, 2011 10:50AM)
I think Dennis Rader and Andre Chikatilo were both pretty strong. I've actually heard that quite a few serial killers are physically strong. The fictional character Hannibal Lecter is described as very strong.
There's another guy, Charles Bronson (not the actor. Not his birth name either) who is considered the UK's "most violent inmate." He used to be a bare knuckles boxer and has prison records for push-ups and such. He has written the world's most terrifying workout manual.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 27, 2011 11:01AM)
John's turn, right?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 27, 2011 11:03AM)
Yes it is.

Oh, and Bronson has never killed anyone.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 27, 2011 11:15AM)
Hey, I saw Death Wish. He's Chuck Norris with a scowl.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 27, 2011 11:33AM)
Other Bronson. Inmate Bronson never killed anybody. Felt I should clarify since the others I mentioned were serial killers.
The real Bronson was a fighter pilot or something. He probably killed lots of people, "but they were all bad."
I know this isn't topical to the topic of the original topic, just killing time until the next name.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 27, 2011 11:40AM)
Ok. How's that for a lucky guess?

Henry Rono.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 27, 2011 11:46AM)
Janet Reno's real name before the operation?
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 27, 2011 12:21PM)
For some reason,I always used to get him mixed up with Kip Keino(sp).
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 27, 2011 02:08PM)
Gonna make your guess, Ray? 'Cause I'm thinkin that you know.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 27, 2011 04:39PM)
One of a crop of great Kenyan long distance runners that were rife in the seventies.
The names of sportsmen that I grew up watching on the telly,live longer than supposedly more infamous characters.
Another televisual blast from my upbringing:
Victor Kiam.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 27, 2011 04:42PM)
One more comment about Henry Rono. He broke 4 different middle distance world records over a span of 81 days.

Victor Kiam? Omar's little brother? ;)


John
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 30, 2011 11:44AM)
Hints? I'm thinking he was the Gillete razor guy or the host of a true-life adventure series.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Jan 30, 2011 03:51PM)
Sorry,been a bit busy.
Hint:(You're on the right track with the razor.)Think like a pozidrive,when you're screwed.
Ray.
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 30, 2011 03:54PM)
He liked Remington shavers so much he bought the company?
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 30, 2011 04:00PM)
Anyone remember Larry Wilcox?
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Jan 30, 2011 04:04PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-26 01:13, MagicSanta wrote:
The Spruce Goose, that big wood plane that Howard Hughes flew w/ I think is in Long Beach
[/quote]Actually the Spruce Goose is in the Aviation museum just outside McMinneville, OR. You can see it in the display hanger from the highway. Fighter jets are parked beneath it and dwarfed by it's size. An amazing sight to see.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 30, 2011 04:36PM)
Cool. I've only seen that film of it flying over water.

Larry Wilcox was the blond guy on CHIPS, where he is now I couldn't tell you.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 30, 2011 04:42PM)
" 'CHiPS' star Larry Wilcox nailed by Feds for securities fraud"
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_chips_star_larry_wilcox_nailed_by_feds_for_securities_fraud.html

Your turn Santa.
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 30, 2011 04:42PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-30 17:36, MagicSanta wrote:
Larry Wilcox was the blond guy on CHIPS, where he is now I couldn't tell you.
[/quote]

Dagnammit I thought that was pretty obscure...
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 30, 2011 05:18PM)
Not to those who watched CHIPS. You pick one, my head hurts,
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 30, 2011 05:24PM)
OK... Larry Semon?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 30, 2011 07:14PM)
HAHAHAHAHA! Semon? That's a real guy?! That poor ***! Does he have a brother named Richard?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 31, 2011 11:23AM)
Hint for Larry Semon?
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 31, 2011 05:42PM)
Back when Larry was a star he worked (seperately, different occasions) with two guys in the same business who didn't achieve much individually, but did pretty good when they collaborated. These days you'll only ever hear of Larry mentioned in biographies of those guys.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 31, 2011 05:47PM)
The 7th stooge?
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 31, 2011 05:52PM)
Warmer...
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Jan 31, 2011 06:27PM)
More hintage: those guys who worked with him before they became legends; they were born Arthur and Norvell.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 31, 2011 06:37PM)
Critter, Scott Seaman, Chief of Police Los Gatos, Ca. and my former coworker at Carls Jr.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 31, 2011 08:01PM)
I would never ask him for the "special sauce."
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 31, 2011 08:04PM)
I tried to get him to join the Navy so he would be Seaman Seaman.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 31, 2011 08:05PM)
That's Laurel and Hardy. Trivia: Stan Laurel was in the same vaudeville troupe as Charlie Chaplin. I love Charlie Chaplin. My favorite of the silent comedians.
My girlfriend says Semon (teehee) directed the silent "Wizard of Oz."

I have asked her to choose the next name for us since she knew Semon (teehee) and I only knew L&H.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 31, 2011 08:24PM)
There was a silent Wizard of Oz?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 31, 2011 08:33PM)
Apparently.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 31, 2011 08:47PM)
You be right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_(1925_film)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 31, 2011 09:30PM)
Not me, Jill. I didn't know it.

Denver Pyle
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Feb 1, 2011 12:00AM)
Denver Pyle was an actor. The main role he played that comes to mind for me is Uncle Jesse on the Dukes of Hazzard.

Steve Bartman
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 1, 2011 09:54AM)
Bart Simpson's secret identity.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 1, 2011 09:17PM)
Hint, good doctor?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 1, 2011 09:22PM)
That is a great one! We use to say "Way to go Bartman" when someone screwed up....that is sort of a hint but that is a guy who was fleeting w/ fame.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 1, 2011 09:55PM)
Adam West?
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 2, 2011 10:31AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmhlyuxULI
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Feb 2, 2011 05:08PM)
Here's a hint: Foul Ball!
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Feb 2, 2011 06:02PM)
Did he screw vup someones vasectomy?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 2, 2011 06:51PM)
Oh. Bouton. Jim maybe? He wrote two baseball books, I think.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Feb 3, 2011 02:41AM)
Cubs/Marlins playoff game.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Feb 6, 2011 01:01PM)
Anyone? If not I guess Santa needs to spill it and pick a new name.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 6, 2011 04:55PM)
He was the guy who reached over the fence and caught or touched a ball as it was inches from being caught during a very close Cubs game and Bartman got credit for the Cubs not going to the World Series. He had to be escorted out by security, had police protection at his house, and was offered asylum in Florida. The ball was later blown up. That Bartman was very much at threat due to sticking his hand out and as long as there are shows about sports screw ups there will be a video of Steve Bartman, the man who destroyed the Cubbies.

If anyone gets this I'll be amazed.

Scott Halpin

Hints: 1) a movie was based on this event.
2) my brother was present and witnessed said event along w/ several thousand others.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Feb 6, 2011 10:06PM)
That is a great one. Prepare to be amazed.

He sat in for Keith Moon for a couple songs at a show The Who were doing at the Cow Palace in S.F. in '73. Keith passed out after too many horse tranquilizers and booze and Pete Townshend asked the crowd if anybody could play the drums...good. I actually have a bootleg of that concert.

What movie was based on that?


William Hung
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 6, 2011 10:18PM)
Very good! The movie Rock Star was based on the fact a major band pulled a guy from the audience.

William Hung bought a plant as a gift at the Home Depot in Morgan Hill, Ca....and all my gay friends working there were excited. He was a massive failure at the American Idol tryouts in San Francisco singing some Ricky Martin Song


Latoya London (hint: her brother is a good friend of mine and she has a great @#@#)
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Feb 6, 2011 10:49PM)
That's a great one, but I have to protest the movie reference - Rock Star was based on Ripper Owens, who (like Mark Wahlberg in the movie) came not out of a crowd, but from a tribute band to join the actual band he was 'tributing' (Judas Priest).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 6, 2011 11:35PM)
Lying arse DJs! Now it seems common to have a band pick a replacement out of youtube.... Oh shoot, I saw Ripper Owens on TV! I didn't know he was w/ Priest.


Here is a Priest, maybe, story. There was a letter to Penthouse Forum in 80 or 81. The letter was from a guy in a Brit heavy metal band that was hitting in the US. Other than his story that involved a teen gal he met at McDonalds he mentioned that the guitar player had dated the sister of the lead singer and that the singer was the girls first target but he was secretly gay...everything pointed to Judas Priest being the band.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 7, 2011 07:34AM)
Penthouse Forum letters as historical documents? I don't think so. Probably all written by English Lit. grad student interns.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 7, 2011 05:06PM)
Off subject: Why is it so hard to LEGALLY find the Penthouse w/ Vanessa Williams badly taken photos in it?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 8, 2011 10:41AM)
We're still on Latoya London. Santa needs to give a hint.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 8, 2011 10:57AM)
Janet Jackson's sister? She married now?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 30, 2011 09:24AM)
Well while we wait for the answer to Latoya London, here's one:

Mohamed Bouazizi
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 30, 2011 09:58AM)
The fire protester what set himself on fire.
Herbert Khuary.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 30, 2011 10:52AM)
Tiny Tim?
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 30, 2011 12:19PM)
That's him. And I didn't even have a chance to use my clue,
"God bless the tulips, every one."
Oh, you're supposed to say what he was famous for though.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 30, 2011 01:46PM)
Well lots of things, but he got married on the Johnny Carson Show to Miss Vicki. He was an odd singer who sang novelty songs like "Tiptoe Thru the Tulips" in a falsetto voice. He was so bad that he was good. It was never clear to me whether he was in on the joke or he was serious.

I was surprised you got the Tunisian martyr so fast. It's been three months after all. Good job.

Arthur Treacher.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Mar 30, 2011 04:14PM)
I know who he is and what he did.
What I don't know about his career is,why is he known over in yankee doodle land.
Interesting!?!
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 30, 2011 04:57PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-30 14:46, landmark wrote:
I was surprised you got the Tunisian martyr so fast. It's been three months after all. Good job.
[/quote]

We had a discussion on the situation in one of my psych classes last quarter :)

Treacher sounds familiar but I can't place it.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 31, 2011 12:56AM)
Ray is right that Americans would probably know Treacher for a different aspect of his career than the overseas crowd.
For those of us on this side, think sidekick.
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 31, 2011 10:15AM)
A karate fighter?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 31, 2011 07:15PM)
Now that's got Ray laughing I'm sure.
Show Business.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 1, 2011 10:34PM)
Okay, Arthur Treacher was an English character actor who often played the dry witted butler in the movies, including several Jeeves movies. He also was in a bunch of Shirley Temple movies. But he was probably best known in the US as the crotchety sidekick to Merv Griffin on the latter's long-running sixties television talk show, often being less than amenable to Merv. Treacher parleyed his fame and fortune into the establishment of the Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips fast food chain, a few of which still exist.

Someone else want to go?
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Apr 2, 2011 09:15AM)
Ben Turpin
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 2, 2011 11:11AM)
Famous hiwayman?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 2, 2011 11:41AM)
The cross-eyed silent screen comedian.

Laraine Newman.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 2, 2011 11:59AM)
SNL!
Original cast. IMO the best cast.

Robert "Clay" Allison.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 3, 2011 08:31AM)
Bogus strongman with feet of . . . oh never mind.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 3, 2011 02:14PM)
Hint: Bang!
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Apr 3, 2011 05:38PM)
Old West gunfighter.

Norvell Page
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 4, 2011 04:37AM)
Pulp fiction writer. Created the Spider.

Mary Toft
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 4, 2011 10:39AM)
Mary Toft... the Tomb Raider's evil twin from the mirror universe?
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 4, 2011 10:40AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-03 18:38, Steve_Mollett wrote:
Old West gunfighter.
[/quote]

Oh, sure. Focus on that and not the ranching ;)
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Apr 4, 2011 10:55AM)
Hint?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 4, 2011 08:40PM)
Medical fraud in the 18th Century.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 5, 2011 03:44PM)
Was she the one who was pregnant with rabbits or something?
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Apr 5, 2011 04:06PM)
The woman with a top hat for an undercarriage?
I know the story,but not the name.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 5, 2011 05:22PM)
Oh yeah, I think landmark's right.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 5, 2011 10:18PM)
Landmark called it. She claimed to be delivering rabbits. She is, by the way, the source for the iconic (but almost never performed) magic trick of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Apparently a magician thought it would be a fitting sight gag for the time.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 5, 2011 10:39PM)
Angelo Lewis.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 6, 2011 10:24AM)
Professor Hoffman? Author of "Modern Magic?"
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 6, 2011 10:55AM)
Are you certain that's not "Granpa Munster's" real name?
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 6, 2011 12:34PM)
That's Al Lewis. The Legend.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 6, 2011 01:43PM)
Professor Hoffmann is correct!
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 6, 2011 03:48PM)
Sweet!

Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Apr 6, 2011 04:26PM)
Was he the first man to change his middle name from Sherwood to Bedford because he got
p1ssed off with Robin Hood puns when he signed his name?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 6, 2011 05:44PM)
Largely ineffective confederate Civil War general who founded the KKK (and after whom the fictitious Forrest Gump was named).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Apr 6, 2011 06:11PM)
Forrest Obama Smith?
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 6, 2011 06:41PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-06 18:44, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Largely ineffective confederate Civil War general who founded the KKK (and after whom the fictitious Forrest Gump was named).
[/quote]

That's him. First grand wizard of the KKK. Also a terrible businessman.
Was an important figure in the failed attempt by the South to replace black slaves with Chinese contract labor after the Civil War.
The plan failed when the Chinese didn't take kindly to being whipped.
That's not on Wikipedia. Don't know why. Kind of a big deal.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 6, 2011 08:12PM)
Andres Serrano
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 7, 2011 11:32AM)
New Yorkers know this one.
How to put this delicately?
He is (was?) an artist who among other works created one that featured a religious symbol in a jar of urine.
Lots of interesting debate, since he was partly funded by and then defunded by, the NEA.

Speaking of Forests, how about Edwin Forrest?
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 7, 2011 12:18PM)
Oh yeah. I remember the jar deal. Didn't remember the name but I remember people freaking out about the art.
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Apr 10, 2011 04:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-07 12:32, landmark wrote:
Speaking of Forests, how about Edwin Forrest?
[/quote]
No takers.....Maybe a clue?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 10, 2011 07:16PM)
Lived in the 19th century, American--and make no mistake about that!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 11, 2011 06:49AM)
I thought Woland might get this one, but I'm not sure if he visits this thread.
Anyway Edwin Forrest was arguably the first American star. He was a Shakespearean actor who had a tremendous following of loyal working class Americans, and acted in a very physically powerful way. In 1849, he had a Shakespearean showdown with the celebrated English Shakespearean, William MacCready. While MacCready toured the States, Forrest followed MacCready around the country comparing the two interpretations of Shakespeare. Finally in New York, MacCready was playing Macbeth at the upper class Astor Place Opera House while Forrest was also acting Macbeth the very same night at the low rent Broadway Theatre down the street. It was comparable to a present day battle of the bands. Forrest's fans packed the Opera House balcony and cat-called and threw food during MacCready's performance. Eventually police were called in and demonstrators were so demonstrative, both inside and outside the theatre, that a riot ensued against the British actor, led by the infamous Bowery Boys. The streets outside the Opera House were filled with 10,000 people. When the smoke cleared, The Astor Place Riot had left 25 dead and 120 wounded. If you've seen Scorsese's Gangs of New York, these were the guys he was talking about. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_Place_Riot
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Astor_Place_Riot%2C_1849_crop.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Apr 11, 2011 08:34AM)
Very interesting reading,thanks!
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 14, 2012 02:10AM)
Idris I.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Apr 14, 2012 07:36AM)
Just visited this thread for the first time. Thanks, landmark. A great story from a time when people took art seriously, it would seem!

I was always surprised at how meekly Genl. Braxton Bragg accepted Bedford Forrest's death threats against him. But the irascible Forrest seems to have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest]mellowed:[/url]

[quote]In 1875, Forrest demonstrated that his personal sentiments on the issue of race now differed from that of the Klan, when he was invited to give a speech before an organization of black Southerners advocating racial reconciliation, called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association. At this, his last public appearance, he made what the New York Times described as a "friendly speech"[10] during which, when offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman, he accepted them as a token of reconciliation between the races and espoused a radically progressive (for the time) agenda of equality and harmony between black and white Americans.[51][/quote]

There were a number of Arab rulers going by the name of Idris. I'm not sure which one you mean.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 14, 2012 10:21PM)
Mohammad Idris al-Sanousi, aka King Idris I.

What made him special is that he was the one and only Monarch of Libya.
Since they speak Arabic in Libya I'll say Woland's answer counts.

Your turn, W!

(I know it wasn't technically my turn when I first posted this, but I took the liberty of bringing the thread back because I missed it :) )
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 15, 2012 10:17PM)
I'll take the liberty of filling in until Woland gets back.
Fred Merkle.
Message: Posted by: critter (Apr 15, 2012 10:25PM)
Lucy and Desi's friend?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 7, 2012 09:57PM)
Fred Merkle was a baseball player who ... well let Wikipedia tell the story:
[quote]On September 23, 1908, while playing for the New York Giants in a game against the Chicago Cubs, while he was 19 years old (the youngest player in the National League), Merkle committed a baserunning error that became known as "Merkle's Boner" and earned him the nickname "Bonehead."

In the bottom of the 9th inning, Merkle came to bat with two outs, and the score tied 1–1. At the time, Moose McCormick was on first base. Merkle singled and McCormick advanced to third. Al Bridwell, the next batter, followed with a single of his own. McCormick trotted to home plate, apparently scoring the winning run. The fans in attendance, under the impression that the game was over, ran onto the field to celebrate.

Meanwhile, Merkle, thinking the game was over, ran to the Giants' clubhouse without touching second base. Cubs second baseman Johnny Evers noticed this, and after retrieving a ball and touching second base he appealed to umpire Hank O'Day, who would later manage the Cubs, to call Merkle out. Since Merkle had not touched the base, the umpire called him out on a force play, meaning that McCormick's run did not count.[/quote]


Was in a conversation today with a friend and the name Megan Marshack came up. Any takers?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jun 7, 2012 10:08PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-15 23:17, landmark wrote:
I'll take the liberty of filling in until Woland gets back.
Fred Merkle.
[/quote]

The Goat
Message: Posted by: critter (Jun 7, 2012 11:17PM)
Megan Marshack...
Stand-up comedienne?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jun 7, 2012 11:39PM)
That name is not ringing any bells....
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 8, 2012 06:06AM)
She killed someone famous, but she's not exactly a murderer...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 8, 2012 09:46PM)
She Rocked his world...
Message: Posted by: critter (Jun 8, 2012 10:11PM)
Did she give Rock Hudson AIDS?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 8, 2012 10:24PM)
Nope. This is rich.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 9, 2012 08:55AM)
Megan Marshack was with former VP Nelson Rockefeller in a Manhattan town house when he died of a heart attack. The accounts given by aides and family were contradictory, but the most plausible explanation was that she was his mistress and the he died while having sex with her. Some accounts have her pinned under his dead body for a period of time.

Here's one of the less lurid articles about the death:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1998-11-06/news/18078218_1_hugh-morrow-nelson-rockefeller-shoeless-man

There have been some wild conspiracy theories concerning her since she soon disappeared after his death. Some say (tommy you might want to research this) she was murdered after a night of cocaine and sex with Rockefeller and Hugh Morrow, Rockefeller's chauffeur and family friend. Here's a lead to the wilder stories:
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2010/02/strange-death-of-nelson-rockefeller.html
Message: Posted by: critter (Jun 9, 2012 11:10AM)
Then I was close :)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 20, 2012 06:28AM)
Nadya Suleman.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 20, 2012 10:36AM)
No one?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jun 20, 2012 10:54AM)
Octomom.

Shannon Marketic.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 20, 2012 12:04PM)
Octomom is right.

Got me. Maybe a clue later?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 21, 2013 01:55PM)
Hey we were still on Shannon Marketic and then critter left to throw some rocks or something and get a couple of degrees and whatnot. So until he comes back,

Maude Adams

Brief review of the game: the question asker names someone who was once famous for a brief period of time. To answer, you must explain who that person is, and why s/he was famous. If you get the answer, you get to propose a new name. The original QA should post the answer about a day later. If no one answers the question, then the question asker asks another name. As always, advance Googling is considered uncultured.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 21, 2013 05:25PM)
Well no wonder no one responded, I spelled her name wrong--it's Maud Adams.
Hint: She started a Syndrome of which many magicians are affected.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 21, 2013 05:37PM)
Was she the one who first developed the diagnostic criteria for megalomania?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 21, 2013 06:05PM)
No, she's more in the realm of fantasy.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 21, 2013 11:23PM)
Second star to the right...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 22, 2013 08:11AM)
...and straight on to morning!
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 22, 2013 09:09AM)
Did Maud classify OCD? (Or COD as we know it really should be)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 22, 2013 09:34AM)
No, Maud was an actress...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 22, 2013 08:39PM)
Maude Adams was the first actor to play Peter Pan. Her 1905 Broadway stint in J.M. Barrie's play was such a hit, that the collar she wore soon became known as a Peter Pan collar. In recent psychobabble, the Peter Pan Syndrome describes adult males who refuse to grow up and accept adult responsibilities.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/mFXXYo0.png[/img]
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 22, 2013 08:42PM)
Robert Mueller.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 23, 2013 01:24PM)
The above person's fame wasn't really fleeting--12 years!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 23, 2013 01:26PM)
Rings a bell, but I'm not placing him.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 23, 2013 01:46PM)
You're gonna kick yourself--this guy was so incompetent he couldn't get himself arrested.
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 23, 2013 03:41PM)
Oh I forgot about this thread. Shannon Marketic was the former Miss USA who was (allegedly) kidnapped and sexually asaulted by a sultan during a promotional event. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1997/03/30/the-sultan-of-smut.html
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 23, 2013 04:16PM)
Do Shannon is dorm and we're on Robert Mueller... Correct?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 23, 2013 06:43PM)
Good one critter on Shannon Marketic!
We're on Robert Mueller.
He's hiding in plain sight. Not in show business, yet he was a director.
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 24, 2013 12:55AM)
Name sounds familiar...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 24, 2013 07:09AM)
He ended his job 20 days ago. Started September 4, 2001. Faceless bureaucrat?
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 24, 2013 09:52AM)
It's not FBI Director Robert Muller is it? I thought he left longer than 20 days ago, and I don't get referrence that he "was so incompetent that he couldn't get himself arrested."
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 24, 2013 10:12AM)
You've got it! Robert Mueller was Director of the FBI from Sept 4th, 2001 to Sept 4, 2013. My reference to "couldn't get himself arrested" was a joking clue as to his high level law enforcement position, as was my comment that he was a "faceless BUREAUcrat." I thought it was interesting that people felt his name was familiar yet couldn't place it.

So imgic the ball is in your court now, give us a name.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 24, 2013 12:43PM)
Gee whiz. My first time up. Not sure how difficult this one will be...

Donna Rice
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 24, 2013 03:14PM)
Sex scandal, I think...Gary Hart?
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 24, 2013 03:28PM)
Thought it might be a bit too easy. Yep. Donna was the little sex kitten pictured on Gary Harts lap that detailed his 1984 presidential run.

As a bonus question... What was the name of the yacht on which Gary and Donna were photographed?

In meantime it's Lobo's turn...
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 24, 2013 03:30PM)
Winfield Hancock
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 24, 2013 03:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-24 16:28, imgic wrote:
Thought it might be a bit too easy. Yep. Donna was the little sex kitten pictured on Gary Harts lap that detailed his 1984 presidential run.

As a bonus question... What was the name of the yacht on which Gary and Donna were photographed?

In meantime it's Lobo's turn...
[/quote]
Don't know Winfield, but I think the name of the boat was something like Monkey Business.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 24, 2013 07:11PM)
Monkey Business is correct for extra bonus points.

Unfortunately I have no idea who Winfield Hancock is...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 24, 2013 07:27PM)
A clue, Lobo?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 25, 2013 06:50PM)
The masses cry out for a hint!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 25, 2013 08:47PM)
A military figure who has something in common with Al Gore...
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 25, 2013 08:59PM)
He co-invented the Internet?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 25, 2013 09:16PM)
Hmmm, something in common with Al Gore...military journalist? (assuming you're not going for pompous @hole.)
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 26, 2013 12:44PM)
Something to do with Tennessee?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 26, 2013 12:52PM)
Good guesses, not a right answer!

Winfield "Win" Hancock was one of the best field generals for the north in the Civil War. He particularly distinguished himself at Gettyburg after the death of General Reynolds - his forces were critical in the Wheatfield, and he also held the top of Cemetery Ridge at Pickett's Charge. In fact, it was his decision to even fight at Gettyburg in the first place; he had authority from Meade (after Reynolds's death) to retreat (the North was quite outnumbered at first); instead, he was a key factor in a major victory for the North.

He was immensely popular, and ran for president, but General Ulysses S. Grant's presidency was considered such a disaster that the public was very much soured on former military leaders as presidents. As a result, he lost what was for over 100 years the closest presidential election in American history (to John Garfield). Had Grant not landed in the White House first, he almost certainly would have been president.

I'll pass it off to Landmark...he comes up with some great ones.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 26, 2013 04:34PM)
Oh man, just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
Okay.
Robert Chambers.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 26, 2013 06:04PM)
Marilyn Chambers' husband?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 26, 2013 06:08PM)
Good try. I don't think you'd want him to be anyone's husband. He has issues in that department...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 27, 2013 05:46AM)
This one is rough...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 27, 2013 06:29PM)
Okay, perhaps you might remember the name of a woman associated with him--Jennifer Levin.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 27, 2013 08:36PM)
New Yorkers, where are you on this? Taking a walk in Central Park?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 28, 2013 08:29AM)
Maybe this one was too local.

Robert Chambers was known as the "Preppie Killer." A graduate of some fancy prep schools, he took home 18 year old Jennifer Levin from a high class bar in 1986. She was found strangled in Central Park the next day, covered with bruises and cuts. After he was ID'd as the guy who took her from the bar, he claimed they went to Central Park and she demanded "rough sex." He then claimed she was hurting him, and he pushed her away and she fell and died.

Chambers served 15 years and was released in 2003. In 2008 he was arrested for selling cocaine out of his posh apartment in Manhattan. He received a sentence of 19 years. According to papers filed by his lawyer, it came out that Chambers had been using 10-12 bags of heroin a day since he was 14.

Before the murder, Chambers was once given a summons on a disorderly conduct charge for being drunk in public. As the cops left, he tore up the summons and shouted, "You F'n cowards, you should stick to n****rs!"

But my favorite Chambers story is in 1988 when he was out on bail, the tabloid television program A Current Affair broadcast a home video showing Chambers at a party playing with four lingerie-clad girls, choking himself with his hands while making loud gagging noises, and twisting a Barbie doll's head off, saying in falsetto: "My name is…Oops! I think I killed it."

Nice guy.

Next up: Tim Berners-Lee
Message: Posted by: imgic (Sep 28, 2013 10:39AM)
Ohhh. I was thinking "Yuppie Killer". I googled Chambers afterwards. He was sentanced to 5-15 years. Ended up serving full 15 years because of drug violations in jail and attacking an officer. Finally hot out and has been arrested several times again: mainly drugs. He moved in with one of the girls from the Barbie video. Swell guy.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 28, 2013 06:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-28 09:29, landmark wrote:
Maybe this one was too local.

Robert Chambers was known as the "Preppie Killer." A graduate of some fancy prep schools, he took home 18 year old Jennifer Levin from a high class bar in 1986. She was found strangled in Central Park the next day, covered with bruises and cuts. After he was ID'd as the guy who took her from the bar, he claimed they went to Central Park and she demanded "rough sex." He then claimed she was hurting him, and he pushed her away and she fell and died.

Chambers served 15 years and was released in 2003. In 2008 he was arrested for selling cocaine out of his posh apartment in Manhattan. He received a sentence of 19 years. According to papers filed by his lawyer, it came out that Chambers had been using 10-12 bags of heroin a day since he was 14.

Before the murder, Chambers was once given a summons on a disorderly conduct charge for being drunk in public. As the cops left, he tore up the summons and shouted, "You F'n cowards, you should stick to n****rs!"

But my favorite Chambers story is in 1988 when he was out on bail, the tabloid television program A Current Affair broadcast a home video showing Chambers at a party playing with four lingerie-clad girls, choking himself with his hands while making loud gagging noises, and twisting a Barbie doll's head off, saying in falsetto: "My name is…Oops! I think I killed it."

Nice guy.

Next up: Tim Berners-Lee

[/quote]

Gotta love the Ridiculous Drug War...15 years for killing the girl; 19 for selling the coke.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 29, 2013 08:09AM)
I have a feeling critter would have got Chambers.

Okay, Tim Berners-Lee--he made it all possible...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 29, 2013 10:58AM)
Tim Berners-Lee. This one is not local. Everyone in the whole wide world should know this guy.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 29, 2013 07:57PM)
No intricate web of deception here: Tim Berners-Lee deserves all of our thanks.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 29, 2013 08:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-29 20:57, landmark wrote:
No intricate web of deception here: Tim Berners-Lee deserves all of our thanks.
[/quote]

Al Gore's alter-ego?
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Sep 29, 2013 08:24PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-29 20:57, landmark wrote:
No intricate web of deception here: Tim Berners-Lee deserves all of our thanks.
[/quote]

Pop Haydn? :)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 29, 2013 08:26PM)
Lobo's got it...how about a name, Lobo (and perhaps an explanation for those who have not caught on)?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 29, 2013 09:12PM)
An Internet creator/developer of some sort...I only got it from your hints.

Kevin Maas
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 29, 2013 10:14PM)
Tim Berners-Lee was [i]the[/i] inventor of the World Wide Web.
I think I know who Kevin Maas is, so I'm going to pass for now.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 6, 2013 11:08PM)
A movie was made about him IIRC?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Oct 6, 2013 11:46PM)
I don't believe so. I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 7, 2013 12:43AM)
Hmm, then I guess I'm thinking if the wrong guy.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Oct 7, 2013 07:53AM)
No clue on Kevin Maas...a secret agent perhaps?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 7, 2013 08:11AM)
Well, I'm going to try again--I think I know where I went wrong. He's a guy with a certain kind of cough?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Oct 7, 2013 10:34AM)
Nope... He's a guy your neck of the woods who for a while was reminding people of a much more famous guy from your neck of the woods. They had the same employer.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 7, 2013 12:21PM)
Criminal?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 20, 2013 09:57PM)
Hint or answer?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Oct 20, 2013 10:18PM)
Kevin Maas played first base (and DH) for the Yankees, and briefly looked like the second coming of Babe Ruth. He set records for fastest player to 10, 13, and 15 home runs (fewest at bats), and finished second in Rookie of the Year voting in 1990. He hit 22 homers in his second year, but struck out a ton and had a low average, and ended up washing out of the majors with 65 career home runs, but for one shining moment (ok, a few shining months) he was hitting better than one homer for every ten at bats.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 20, 2013 11:01PM)
Nice. A perfect candidate for the game.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 21, 2013 12:09PM)
I'll jump in here, if Lobo doesn't mind:
Miriam Carey.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Oct 21, 2013 12:19PM)
Wasn't she a judge on Dancing with The Stars?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 21, 2013 12:36PM)
Not that I know of. It's a little too early for a hint.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 21, 2013 07:54PM)
Okay, you wouldn't have known her name before the beginning of this month.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 22, 2013 07:26AM)
Think the nation's capital.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 23, 2013 08:30PM)
Y'all are going to hate yourselves in the morning (actually I had to look her name up too, so don't feel too bad).

[quote] NEW YORK (AP) - The family of a Connecticut woman who was shot to death by police after trying to ram her vehicle through a White House barrier plans to hold a funeral for her next week in Brooklyn. A lawyer for Miriam Carey's sisters, Eric Sanders, says a wake will be held Monday from 5 to 8 p.m. at Grace Funeral Chapels. The funeral will follow Tuesday at 10 a.m.
The 34-year-old Carey was shot last Thursday. The high-speed police chase began outside the White House and ended near the U.S. Capitol. Her 1-year-old daughter was inside the vehicle but was unhurt. A federal law enforcement official has said that Carey's mental health deteriorated in the last year and that she had delusions President Barack Obama was in contact with her.[/quote]
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 27, 2013 08:13AM)
Here's one that you may have missed: Edward Snowden. If no one gets the answer by this evening I'll post my answer.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 15, 2013 01:04PM)
Well, no one came up with Ed Snowden. Admittedly, that would have been tough if your only source of news is NVMS. He is an American patriot forced to live in Moscow. His revelations of government treachery and violations of the Constitution include this latest story reported in that radical newspaper, The Wall Street Journal:

[quote]Claiming the same authority as the NSA does for its bulk collection of domestic internet and phone data, [b]the clandestine Central Intelligence Agency is compiling a "vast database" that includes the personal financial records of Americans, [/b]according to the Wall Street Journal.

In a news story published Friday, the Journal reporting shows [b]the CIA program "collects information from U.S. money-transfer companies including Western Union" [/b]and that some of the data goes [b]"beyond basic financial records, such as U.S. Social Security numbers, which can be used to tie the financial activity to a specific person...[/b]

[b]It is unclear, however, how oversight of these operations has been conducted because, as the Journal reporting indicates,[i] lawmakers were only made aware of this program during inquiries that followed in the wake of the Snowden documents in the last several months.[/i][/b]"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/11/15-0?print
[/quote]

Thanks, Ed, you will not be forgotten here.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Nov 15, 2013 01:19PM)
I thought you were kidding about Snowden. I have one that I'm pretty sure will stump the panel, but it's a good (if dated) story that I guarantee everyone is familiar with. But I won't jump the line if you have another name you want to drop.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 16, 2013 12:06AM)
Of course I was kidding about Snowden. As someone around here likes to say, "Of all the casualties of the Internet..." etc., etc.
Please go ahead.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Nov 16, 2013 01:41AM)
Larry Layton
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 16, 2013 08:02AM)
Doesn't ring a bell here.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Nov 16, 2013 09:16AM)
Different person involved in the same story: Bob Ryan
Message: Posted by: Feral Chorus (Dec 4, 2013 04:51PM)
Uncle.

Care to put another name out?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 10, 2015 12:12PM)
Layton Gets Life in Ryan Killing
March 3, 1987 |From Reuters
"Larry Layton, a Peoples Temple member convicted of conspiracy in the 1978 killing of U.S. Rep. Leo Ryan in Guyana, was sentenced today to life in prison with possible parole in five years. Ryan, a California Democrat, was shot to death along with four other people near the Peoples Temple jungle compound in Guyana. After his slaying, more than 900 members of the sect led by the Rev. Jim Jones died in a mass suicide."

Mary Murphy (not the choreographer from So you think you can dance)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 11, 2015 09:16AM)
Hint: she was the female co-star of an iconic film.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 11, 2015 07:34PM)
Lots of leather in the film...
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Nov 11, 2015 09:13PM)
I googled it. I disqualify myself.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 11, 2015 11:11PM)
"Whattaya got?"
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 12, 2015 06:57AM)
Which was the response to "What are you rebelling against?"
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Nov 12, 2015 07:59AM)
She starred alongside Brando in The Wild One.

[img]http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Brando,%20Marlon/Annex/Annex%20-%20Brando,%20Marlon%20(Wild%20One,%20The)_12.jpg[/img]

And AFAIK that was the extent of her feature film career.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 12, 2015 01:29PM)
Yes, I caught it on television the other day, and it doesn't hold up at all--not even Brando's performance. But Mary Murphy is the best thing in it, a notch above everyone else. For some reason though, she didn't catch on.

Why don't you take it, John.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Nov 12, 2015 10:07PM)
The category is politics.

Sirimavo Bandaranaike.