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Topic: Confederate flag magic
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 28, 2011 10:34AM)
Who has done stage magic using the Confederate flag?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Octarine Prince (Jan 28, 2011 11:58AM)
If it's made of flash paper, then I might consider something with it.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jan 28, 2011 12:22PM)
Living North of the Mason Dixon Line a display of a Confederate Flag outside the context of a Civil War themed act would be seen as being in questionable taste.
Message: Posted by: Al Leach (Jan 28, 2011 02:08PM)
In Florida people still express outrage about thing like the "Heritage Not Hate" campaign of the SCV. It seems that this flag has become a symbol of hate in many people's minds that triggers immediate outrage. When I was a kid I can remember going with my Grandmother who was a big UDC lady to put flags on graves for Confederate Veterans' Day and I never once heard anything that resembled hate or oppression. I am afraid that this symbol has come to mean something very different to people these days than what it meant to people of my Grandmother's generation, perhaps the more visible ones on both sides of this issue are a little extreme ... wow there is such a need to explore civility and common ground in our New South...
Message: Posted by: Octarine Prince (Jan 28, 2011 04:44PM)
"Southern Man" by Neil Young
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jan 28, 2011 06:00PM)
I remember Howard Flint would be emceeing a show. As he began to sweat from the heat in the theater, he would calmly remove a hanky from his breast pocket to dry his brow. It was a Confederate flag. It cracked the house up. No one thought racism or anything else.

Why is it politically correct to have separate holidays,beauty contests, scholarship drives for certain ethnics and not others? I just don't get it. Embrace your heritage but not force others to adsorb or embrace it.

Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 29, 2011 03:53PM)
On 2011-01-28 17:44, Octarine Prince wrote:
"Southern Man" by Neil Young

LOL! You know that Neil Young's concert also includes "Sweet Home Alabama" from Lynyrd Skynyrd. Many attempts have been made to book them on stage together (by them!) but have just never worked out. Lyrics are about commercial endeavors. They are not the reflections of facts but commercially acceptable misconceptions (ignorance) and the target audiences just as are other forms of commercially successful programing. (OOPS! Magic too!) Never confuse entertainment with reality. Programing, is programing, is programing. (Unfortunately TV news can also be included today. Journalism died over a half century ago.)

Among the real adventures in my life have been the conflicts between the commercial entertainment industry and the professional consulting and teaching graduate business students why we do actual research rather than accepting the programing as remotely true. Fiction makes great entertainment and entertainment is essentially the product of fiction writers. Reality seldom produces the romantic escape available through fiction. Commercial entertainment is most definitely a business seeking profits from the funding audience. Facts in the program are unnecessary to the fiction. Each level of ignorance often is used to feed the next one. (Another form of "One Ahead".)

A classic lyric example is, "We sing about beauty and we sing about truth at $10,000 a show." (Oh, how I loved the recording industry too!)

For my father's generation, Hank Williams would have been his Neil Young. Yep! Fiction of the day. But no doubt about it, fiction is at the heart of the entertainment industry and target markets to be served. (Do you think Roy Rogers was a real cowboy anywhere except in the entertainment business?)

There will be very different target markets for the Japanese, German, Israeli or hippie Peace flags. There are at least two distinct target audiences for each. They may be incompatible but economically feasible for the right "programing".

Experience working with specific target markets using the Confederate flag in magic is the real question I'm asking for.

Richard Hughes has the first meaty reply of the sort sought. It reports reality from actual performances. (Which programing works where?)

What other real experience is there out there?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander