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Topic: I just created my first coin routine, critique/comments, please?
Message: Posted by: Gonche (Feb 14, 2011 08:14AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxSoZPUU1m0

I've been working on and off coins for about 3/4 years now, but this is the first routine I've come up with.

Would love any comments or criticism on it.
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Feb 14, 2011 02:51PM)
It's kind of hard to comment about this routine because it only showed your hands. It might have worked better if we could see you performing it. In this video all we could see was your hands so when you can't see the coin in one hand we know it's in the other instantly. On the other hand if we could see "YOU", by that I mean your upper body and face, the presentation would, if done right, allow you to misdirect more effectively and where the coin is wouldn't be as obvious.

Shoot another video performing it to a camera as if the camera was a person.

But it's not all that bad. Just hard to judge by this clip. Keep working on it.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: mdaniels (Feb 14, 2011 11:58PM)
Same as above, I did not like it, keep practicing. I think that this routine can fool a laymen... maybe
Message: Posted by: evikshin (Feb 15, 2011 01:28PM)
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On 2011-02-15 00:58, mdaniels wrote:
Same as above, I did not like it, keep practicing. I think that this routine can fool a laymen... maybe
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How about some constructive criticism on why you "do not like it?" The person above did not say he did not like it.
Message: Posted by: Orb (Feb 16, 2011 12:53AM)
Was that a Bertini Pinky Load move? The work of the italian maestro is spreading!

Study your hands when they're in a natural position. What you're constantly trying to do is mimicking a rest position, which isn't really working out. Place your hands on the table, watch the natural curl, study it closely. Now palm a coin, and try to relax, try to relax to a state where you're in the same position as when you weren't palming the coin. Keep doing this, It'll build up your muscle memory and eventually, the next time you film something like this, your hands will be spot on in a relaxed position.

I like it a lot how almost all of your moves between your hands are motivated, there is however one point where an unmotivated move appears, at 00:32. You pick the coin up, only to put it right back in place, on top of that you say "disappears" at the same time as you perform your retention vanish. This may seem valid as the coin disappears as soon as it goes into the other hand, but I do think it's wrong to say it that early as it creates suspicion, perheps another choice of words or, just delaying it a slight bit till you open the hand? Instead of taking the coin up, and putting it back doing a retention vanish, perhaps a Rubensteins R.O.P.S move would be a more valid technique? It's great!

Notice that you spend 30 seconds (out of almost 1 min, that's roughly 50% of the time) explaining that the coin is completely gone. You spend a lot of time proving (or accomplishing?) a complete vanish, whereas that's very uninteresting from a laymans point of view. How many times you can tap in order for something not to happen, does become boring. To spice up the ending, consider adding something like the appearence of a chineese coin, or maybe copper coin? Perhaps have it lapped and try to motivate picking it up at some point, or use a C/S coin and turn it copper at the end?

I'd just like to say that this is a more than fine routine, all these things are just small that *in my opinion* (you may disagree) may make it slightly stronger or more interesting. I have no doubt whatsoever that this routine would play very well when performed for laypeople, it may only look somewhat unsmooth thanks to the limitations of the camera.
Message: Posted by: Wes65 (Feb 16, 2011 05:18AM)
Keep your actions balanced. If both hands are empty they should look and act the same. You may flash the palm of you clean hand while gesturing or reaching for something, but you do not ever want to clearly show one hand empty and not the other the way you did unless you have something to take the heat off of the dirty hand. Try keeping the dirty hand busy with something like a wand or extra coin, etc.
Message: Posted by: Gonche (Feb 16, 2011 06:05AM)
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On 2011-02-16 01:53, Orb wrote:
Was that a Bertini Pinky Load move? The work of the italian maestro is spreading!
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Where does it look like I did a pinky load? Not sure what it is, exactly :X

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On 2011-02-16 01:53, Orb wrote:
I like it a lot how almost all of your moves between your hands are motivated, there is however one point where an unmotivated move appears, at 00:32. You pick the coin up, only to put it right back in place, on top of that you say "disappears" at the same time as you perform your retention vanish. This may seem valid as the coin disappears as soon as it goes into the other hand, but I do think it's wrong to say it that early as it creates suspicion, perheps another choice of words or, just delaying it a slight bit till you open the hand? Instead of taking the coin up, and putting it back doing a retention vanish, perhaps a Rubensteins R.O.P.S move would be a more valid technique? It's great!
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Yeah, I've reworked the patter to give me reason for doing the retention vanish. I'll look up the ROPS move, never heard of it before.

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On 2011-02-16 01:53, Orb wrote:
Notice that you spend 30 seconds (out of almost 1 min, that's roughly 50% of the time) explaining that the coin is completely gone. You spend a lot of time proving (or accomplishing?) a complete vanish, whereas that's very uninteresting from a laymans point of view. How many times you can tap in order for something not to happen, does become boring. To spice up the ending, consider adding something like the appearence of a chineese coin, or maybe copper coin? Perhaps have it lapped and try to motivate picking it up at some point, or use a C/S coin and turn it copper at the end?
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I kinda meant the long coinwashing/hands moving section as misdirection for lapping the coin during the retention vanish. Might be a bit too long, though.

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On 2011-02-16 06:18, Wes65 wrote:
Keep your actions balanced. If both hands are empty they should look and act the same. You may flash the palm of you clean hand while gesturing or reaching for something, but you do not ever want to clearly show one hand empty and not the other the way you did unless you have something to take the heat off of the dirty hand. Try keeping the dirty hand busy with something like a wand or extra coin, etc.
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Yep, working on including a kaps subtlety between a few of the moves. It's been extremely hard so far, since it's unnatural for for me to muscle pass out of kaps subtlety :(

I'm planning on re-recording this with a better camera, after I've put more practise into the routine. I rushed recording this a bit, since I was near the deadline for a competition, haha.