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Topic: A real Superhuman has just left us...
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 1, 2011 05:43AM)
RIP Ben Underwood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8U_FHdES4c&feature=related

Look him up, you will benefit from it. ;)
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 1, 2011 09:00AM)
Channel Five did an episode about him on a documentary series a while back. I recorded it, but never got around to watching it. It's online [url=http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/extraordinary-people-the-boy-who-sees-without-eyes-video_ccdbdad15.html]here[/url] for anyone interested.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 1, 2011 09:14AM)
Thanks balducci... ;)
Message: Posted by: gdw (Mar 1, 2011 08:10PM)
That's tragic, and he was incredible.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 1, 2011 08:33PM)
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On 2011-03-01 06:43, Pakar Ilusi wrote:...
Look him up, you will benefit from it. ;)
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Tell me/us what you feel is significant and maybe I'll go have a look.

Use of commands and presupposing a benefit for others are both "black magic" of a sort. Maybe you should stick to cards?
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Mar 1, 2011 10:39PM)
Jonathan, in the time it took you to type all of that, you could have done a quick http://www.google.com search and read who it is and his story. Even if it there is no direct benefit, it is interesting to see how people adapt to situations. Well, maybe not interesting to someone who is vastly more knowledgeable than the general population.

To save you the time and effort from http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=88
[i]Ben Underwood had his eyes surgically removed at the age of three due to cancer. He discovered human echolocation at the age of seven and now uses it to accomplish such feats as running, rollerblading, foosball and playing video games. Human echolocation involves creating an environmental image by hearing echoes bouncing from those objects. It is similar in principle to sonar and to the animal echolocation employed by bats and dolphins. Human echolocation has been studied since at least the 1950′s but is still not completely understood. Ray Charles was said to use a variation of the technique by wearing hard-bottomed shoes, the change in sound alerted him to when we had passed through a doorway. However, very few people have mastered human echolocation to a superhuman level like Ben Underwood.

Ben passed away January 19, 2009. He was taken by the same cancer that claimed is sight and leaves behind a legacy of inspiration few will ever match.[/i]
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 1, 2011 11:31PM)
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On 2011-03-01 21:33, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2011-03-01 06:43, Pakar Ilusi wrote:...
Look him up, you will benefit from it. ;)
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Tell me/us what you feel is significant and maybe I'll go have a look.

Use of commands and presupposing a benefit for others are both "black magic" of a sort. Maybe you should stick to cards?
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Haha, JT! It is "Black Magic"! I am controlling you... Woooo.... :rotf:

From you, I will take that as a compliment! That I could somehow influence you... ;)

Anyway, a simple Google would show why I THINK you would benefit from learning about the life o a Blind Man who used Echolocation to move around. That and his positive outlook (pun intended) on life...

But, do as you please... ;)

And... Thanks TomKMagic! :wavey:

(And I don't do cards anymore since doing Mentalism... :) )
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Mar 2, 2011 09:42PM)
Just for fun, I've actually tried this technique, in familiar surroundings. It does take lots practice, but it can be useful if you are walking around in complete darkness or if you are completely blind. You can also use ambient sounds and see how they change as you move around, but it is harder to tune into those, than if you are emitting the sound yourself.

I saw some show on Discovery on a show called "Is It Possible?" featuring Daniel Kish, one of the top echolocation experts. He even found a ball in an open field. It might not be worth your time, but there is a link...

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/is-it-possible-real-life-bat-man.html


Or a 5-part video set that I found interesting about Ben Underwood (Part 4 mentions more about Dan Kish):
[Part 1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLziFMF4DHA (10:51)
[Part 2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1QaCeosUmw (10:37)
[Part 3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikpNZOx5FGk (10:20)
[Part 4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Px-aPnk4ZU (10:34)
[Part 5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNkJ1diTxOE (05:12)
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 3, 2011 12:05AM)
Very interesting.

Thanks TomKMagic! ;)
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 28, 2011 11:40PM)
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On 2011-03-02 22:42, TomKMagic wrote:

I saw some show on Discovery on a show called "Is It Possible?" featuring Daniel Kish, one of the top echolocation experts. He even found a ball in an open field.
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I saw something about Daniel Kish in my local newspaper today, and just now saw another article mentioning him here on Slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2295602/

Apparently this human echolocation stuff has been around for decades, going back to at least the 1940s.

It seems that human echolocation has been discovered time and time again, by scientists and by the media. The Slate article talks about this and other scientific discoveries made over and over, and why this is so.
Message: Posted by: Dreadnought (May 28, 2011 11:48PM)
Echolocation is an old mentalism routine, some use trickery, others have actually trained themselves to actually do it.
Message: Posted by: Ben Harris (May 29, 2011 01:31AM)
Ad some (not all) pretend they can do it and are faking it. Just like many of the martial arts feats in the Guinness book of World Records -- faked.

Benny
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 29, 2011 01:34AM)
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On 2011-05-29 00:48, Dreadnought wrote:

Echolocation is an old mentalism routine, ...
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Can you describe such a mentalism routine? Like what, walking an obstacle route blindfolded? Identifying the shape of an object?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 29, 2011 11:24AM)
My wife teaches echolocation to her blind students. She had a student who could pretty much ride a bike around a bit using it.
Message: Posted by: Dreadnought (May 29, 2011 09:25PM)
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On 2011-05-29 02:34, balducci wrote:
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On 2011-05-29 00:48, Dreadnought wrote:

Echolocation is an old mentalism routine, ...
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Can you describe such a mentalism routine? Like what, walking an obstacle route blindfolded? Identifying the shape of an object?
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Pm me or e-mail me.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 29, 2011 09:45PM)
Okay I'll bite

How well does it work if you use a cell phone app (like a ping ringtone) ?
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (May 30, 2011 05:10AM)
I'd like to know as well. ;)

Anyone?
Message: Posted by: magicfish (May 30, 2011 06:09AM)
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On 2011-03-01 21:33, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2011-03-01 06:43, Pakar Ilusi wrote:...
Look him up, you will benefit from it. ;)
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Tell me/us what you feel is significant and maybe I'll go have a look.

Use of commands and presupposing a benefit for others are both "black magic" of a sort. Maybe you should stick to cards?
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I totally agree.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (May 30, 2011 08:50AM)
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On 2011-05-30 07:09, magicfish wrote:
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On 2011-03-01 21:33, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2011-03-01 06:43, Pakar Ilusi wrote:...
Look him up, you will benefit from it. ;)
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Tell me/us what you feel is significant and maybe I'll go have a look.

Use of commands and presupposing a benefit for others are both "black magic" of a sort. Maybe you should stick to cards?
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I totally agree.
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Just check him up. ;)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 30, 2011 09:41AM)
I was just thinking that if one had a separate device that could emit different kinds of sounds one could more start testing and refining the process to explore echolocation. I still have no opinion as to what resolution one can get using human ears and sounds produced in the range of our voices.
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Oct 13, 2014 08:05PM)
Do you know about this new website called www.google.com ? It's a cool technology called a search engine, you type a topic and press Enter (or Return depending on your keyboard), and up pops About 252,000 results (0.31 seconds). Sometimes more sometimes less.

To save you the trouble of having to open more than one tab on your browser, here's a sample link and the entire contents of the article, which explains echolocation.
http://learnecholocation.blogspot.com/2008/10/echolocation-using-clicking-devices.html

Echolocation Using Clicking Devices
Clickers used for :en:clicker training Taken b...Image via WikipediaHandheld clickers may be used for echolocation, and I have had minimal experience with this, but I will dispel all I have learned so far. You can use a Snapple-type cap, or a pet training clicker. First thing's first, you must get used to the sound of the clicker. Play with it as much as you can, every day. Eventually you will be able to recognize it easily and at this point you will have learned many of the subtleties of the sound. Clickers should be sounded around the waste level or above the head, don't click them near the ears since this will defeat the purpose. The goal, as always with echolocation, is to create a triangle between the source, object and receiver. So in this case: clicker, wall, and ear.


[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/ClickersFxwb.jpg/202px-ClickersFxwb.jpg[/img]

I find it is also helpful to create a barrier directly between the clicking source and your ear. This could be your other hand (as if saying "Stop") a notebook, or even a bag you're carrying. This will prevent the signal from going directly to your ear and will isolate the reverberating signal (which is the important part)

When using a clicker, pause for about a second between the press and the release of the button. This will give the reverberations time to subside and will avoid confusion for your subconcious.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Oct 13, 2014 08:35PM)
Way to pounce on the 2011 thread!
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Oct 13, 2014 09:07PM)
I try. LOL I don't think Google existed back then, so I had to wait until now to make this post.
Message: Posted by: Salguod Nairb (Oct 13, 2014 09:38PM)
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Message: Posted by: acesover (Oct 13, 2014 11:57PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2014, Salguod Nairb wrote:
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Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Oct 14, 2014 09:50AM)
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Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Oct 14, 2014 09:50AM)
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