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Topic: Getting away with murder.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Mar 20, 2011 01:18PM)
I was wondering, would you prefer to live in a country where there were, say, 10,000 murders a year, and 10% got away with it, or a country (with the same size population) where only 1,000, but 50% got away with it?
Assuming there was a connection between the mechanism leading to less murders but a higher percentage likelihood in getting away with it.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 20, 2011 01:24PM)
Depends on how much of one's intent to explore that form of self expression involves the death of others I guess.

Not much on art-crime here but there's no arguing economics.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 20, 2011 01:43PM)
Prefer?

I would prefer to live in a country where there are no murders at all.

Not a choice? Well then...

In lieu of that choice of preference, I'll just stay where I am now and do my little bit to prevent crime.
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 20, 2011 02:23PM)
Well... am I the murderer getting away with it?
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Mar 20, 2011 02:28PM)
The less brutal society for me mate.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 20, 2011 02:33PM)
? brutal means force/pain in excess of requirements.
Settle for a more wealthy/peaceful place for its citizens type of society?
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Mar 20, 2011 02:35PM)
I think murder rate per capita is a good yardstick for societal brutality tbh.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 20, 2011 02:43PM)
By that you mean cost per socially sanctioned killing? The cheaper the better then?
How about capital punishment - use/efficacy/cruel and unusual punishment?

IMHO there are underlying economic issues that make simple statistical measures of 'all else being equal' less than helpful.
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Mar 20, 2011 02:48PM)
Where did you get 'cost' from? You've lost me.

I'd rather live in the society with the lower per capita murder rate and campaign for a more efficient law enforcement/judicial murder clearup rate than in the society with the x10 murder rate and the more efficient clearup.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 20, 2011 03:10PM)
I think the more chance there is of getting away with muder the more muders there will be. Anyway I think its better that there are only 1000 than 10000 regardless of what the chances of the muderer is of getting away with it, whatever that means. I mean I have known murderers be convicted and get away with it because they did not get a sentence that fitted the crime IMHO. Not all muders are equal.
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Mar 20, 2011 03:59PM)
What if you lived in a society with a high percentage murder rate, but all the murders are done in isolated, prescribed neighborhoods, not yours?
Message: Posted by: HerbLarry (Mar 20, 2011 04:01PM)
..and what if those murderers were zombie monkeys with flaming stares?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Mar 20, 2011 04:01PM)
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On 2011-03-20 16:59, Whit Haydn wrote:
What if you lived in a society with a high percentage murder rate, but all the murders are done in isolated, prescribed neighborhoods, not yours?
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Is there an Indian food place that delivers to my neighborhood?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 20, 2011 04:20PM)
A women came into my restaurant and asked if it was ok to put a sign up there for her missing cat.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 20, 2011 04:39PM)
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On 2011-03-20 17:01, HerbLarry wrote:
..and what if those murderers were zombie monkeys with flaming stares?
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That is a scary thought! :stare: :comply:
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 20, 2011 05:43PM)
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On 2011-03-20 17:39, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
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On 2011-03-20 17:01, HerbLarry wrote:
..and what if those murderers were zombie monkeys with flaming stares?
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That is a scary thought! :stare: :comply:
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That the latest gangwear in your area? Mostly hoodies and specific colors around here.
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 21, 2011 12:46AM)
I liked the 80's gang members, with their twisted up bandanas, parachute pants, and thin sunglasses.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 21, 2011 01:58AM)
I'm very glad to live in a country where murder is occasional enough to be noteworthy and most are solved.

I would assume that the knowledge that most murderers were caught and punished would dissuade some people from doing it.

And while I haven't looked up anything, from what I read in the papers and see on the news, most murders here do not happen in the course of another crime committed by a stranger, but by a person who has a close relationship with the victim.

And now for a handy household hint - I'll be the Martha Stewart of domestic crime prevention. If you have a potentially crazy or emotionally turbulent loved one, make sure the kitchen knives all have rounded points.

I once read a study about people stabbed during the course of domestic arguments and most people stabbed with a rounded knife, by a loved one in a rage, survive, unlike those stabbed by a knife with a sharp point.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Mar 21, 2011 02:06AM)
Save a life; marry a vegan!

(We don't need steak knives)
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 21, 2011 08:53AM)
Maybe not, but those paring knives can be wicked sharp.
Message: Posted by: Erwin (Mar 21, 2011 10:06AM)
Beaten to death with a carrot is still dead.
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 21, 2011 10:20AM)
"PRO-TEST FOUNDER LAURIE PYCROFT BEATEN TO DEATH WITH FROZEN TOFU BY ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT"
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2006/12/358227.html
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Mar 22, 2011 12:06PM)
Critter your link gave me a message that it was an unprotected site or something like that with a button that said "get me out of here". Probably P.E.T.A porno;p
Message: Posted by: critter (Mar 22, 2011 12:15PM)
I just cut and pasted it back in and it worked for me.
It was basically a spoof press release by some Oxford lawyers, but it's pretty funny. Reminds me of the Onion.

"PRO-TEST FOUNDER LAURIE PYCROFT BEATEN TO DEATH WITH FROZEN TOFU BY ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT

At 1:15am this morning 16 year old Pro-Test founder Laurie Pycroft was beaten to death outside his family home in Swindon. According to eyewitness reports at around 1:10am a crowd of approximately 20 emerged from two vans which had been parked in front of the Pycroft's family home earlier in the day.

Whilst several held signs reading "Animal murderer", "A life for a life", "I need a haircut" and "Ever since CND stopped doing this kind of stuff frankly I've been bored rigid" others broke down the Pycroft's front door using sledgehammers and fire axes. Laurie was dragged out onto the street and beaten repeatedly with a bag of frozen tofu.

Mrs. Pycroft, Laurie's mother:

"I wanted desperately to try save my little boy but was quite tired after a hard day's work and when I heard his dying screams I thought to myself 'just another five minutes in bed', you can imagine I regret that now. Then again, many emo children with longish black hair and black thick rimmed glassed like his welcome death, so I'm not sure how he feels about it."

The police arrived at approximately 3am, a senior source in Thames Valley Police defended the delay in response time, saying:

"To be honest we're all getting a little bit cheesed off with the little blighter causing us all this extra work. So when we heard someone was trying to kill him, the lads weren't really in the mood to rush their cup of tea. And the duty emergency response officer was halfway through Casablanca, and he just loves that film. But apart from this, we reacted within seconds."

Laurie was pronounced brain dead in 1991 and dead at 4am this morning. Last minute attempts to resuscitate him failed. Paramedics had hoped that animal experimentation would be able to provide a cure, but sadly desperate attempts by evil scientists failed when what a senior university official described as "one of those bloody supply chain issues, the colleges leave it up to the university and the university leave it up to the colleges" caused scientists to run out of photogenic kittens to sacrifice before a cure could be found.

Oxford University said "bad luck".

Pro-Test spokespeople issued the following statement:

"Whilst obviously Laurie's death is unexpected, and probably quite irritating for his family, how sorted are we in terms of favourable press coverage? To be honest, it's bloody brilliant. We're going to get every sodding front page on Monday!! By the time we're finished spinning this, with a bit of luck we'll be able to organise some public lynchings of RSPCA members. Frankly every cause needs martyrs, and we've just hit jackpot. Love the fact they killed him with frozen tofu though, goes to show we were wrong about them not having a sense of humour. Anymore of the Laurent-Perrier left?""
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Mar 22, 2011 12:22PM)
That is too funny! That does indeed read like something that the Onion would put up.