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Topic: DIY Mouth Coils
Message: Posted by: mrmetropolis (Mar 24, 2011 09:42AM)
So, has anyone made their own mouth coils? I just made some today by gluing tissue paper together, rolling, cutting then taping. I want to skip the step of gluing, so I started looking on the net for bulk tissue paper rolls. I found some, the rolls only seem to come in the color white. Would any of you know where to get bulk rolls in various colors?

Thanks. Jay
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Mar 24, 2011 04:58PM)
I've made a LOT of mouth coils...the same way you did. Glued, with a glue stick along one edge, of different colored sheets of tissue paper to each other, end to end. Then, starting with one end, wrapped (rolled) them around a yard stick to make it tight. When finished, I used the glue stick again to glue the last edge down as I finished rolling them up. Slid out the yard stick and cut them to size. Works like a charm and takes me no time at all. I can do it in about 10 minutes and have lots of coils to use when finished.

Mark. :)
Message: Posted by: mrmetropolis (Mar 24, 2011 05:32PM)
I was thinking of that after I posted that a glue stick would be much better. My first run I used just standard elmers glue which crumpled up the tissue paper. It was still doable however the glue stick will make it far better. Thanks for the advise.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Mar 24, 2011 08:08PM)
No problem. Give it a try. I think you'll find it a LOT easier to do. Don't worry about using a big, wide, strip of glue, just run it along one edge and move on. It'll work just fine.

Good luck with it. Mark.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Mar 24, 2011 08:25PM)
If you can find a roll of suitable paper to make a mouth coil from you don't need any glue at all. just make the coil as described above, and add a little tape when you're done to keep it together.
Message: Posted by: mrmetropolis (Mar 24, 2011 10:34PM)
This is the closest I found... I think you can get it a bit cheaper elsewhere: http://www.nashvillewraps.com/tissue-paper/white-tissue-paper/white-tissue-paper-roll/sku-20roll.html
So, another though on the same line... would anyone have a good idea on dying tissue paper, to make my own colored streamers? I don't know how you would go about this without the paper crumpling up.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Mar 25, 2011 02:45AM)
I once gimmicked mouth coils to go into my nipple piercings, but the effect didn't come out quite as I expected...
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Mar 25, 2011 05:13AM)
U-Line has red rolls: http://www.uline.com/BL_1963/Tissue-Paper-Rolls

I doubt you will find multi-color rolls, but as an alternative, you might consider plastic tablecloths: http://www.amazon.com/Birthday-Balloons-Banquet-Plastic-Tablecloth/dp/B004DSDC1O

You can also get colorful birthday tablecloths in shorter lengths from Dollar Stores and Party Stores.
Message: Posted by: Steven True (Mar 25, 2011 06:56AM)
The table cloth is a great idea never thought about using one. I made some and used a glue stick. They didn't turn out that great but with a little work they will be fine. Remember that they are not really exspensive so you can always buy some. I used the yard stick thing also and then went out to my local home depot and bought a round dowel. It works great.

Steven
Message: Posted by: mrmetropolis (Mar 25, 2011 08:13AM)
Thanks guys... I did the math, roughly... well, It all depends on which distributor you purchase from. Mouth Coils by Bazar de Magia are cheapest but they don't look like they come out the same way Cresey coils do. Anyway... with a bulk roll of 5200 feet and assuming you are making coils that are 25 feet long, and that it takes two inches per coil it comes out to about .35 USD. The same premade and in various colors from Cresey are can run between .87 and 1.10 USD each. Anyway... besides all that jazz... I just like to make stuff, feels more real to me.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Mar 25, 2011 08:36AM)
I've made them in the past from both tissue and newspaper (not for mouth). What I discovered was that after slicing the long tube into shorter sections, the splitting cut should actually be sort of a "Y" shape, as this allows the coil to fold open better. Then fold it open on itself and tape the two halves side by side. It's not an easy cut to make. I did it with a straight edge razor, but I wouldn't recommend it because it's really dangerous.

They can be made from just a single coil, like a smaller, thicker hat coil, but the version I desribed gives a double, interlocked coil like the Cresey coils.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Mar 25, 2011 05:06PM)
Actually, I also cut them as Michael suggests. Dang, it's been a while since I made any and forgot that step!

Mark. :goodluck:
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Mar 25, 2011 05:35PM)
The greatest thing about being able to make your own is that you can always buy them but in that one situation where you must have one and you don't... well, you just DIY with what you've got on hand.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Oct 9, 2011 09:41AM)
I manufactured mylar mouth coils for Jeff McBride years ago. Then I gave the rights to Zanadu magic. Just be careful that the mylar you use is lead free.
The first coils I made were billed as re-usable coils. Jeff used them as throw out coils and they could be restacked in five minutes.
Of course I wouldn't resue them as a mouth coil.
I used a film winder (left and right winder). I rolled out x-# of turns and then cut the roll. Then cut that in half with knife blade and taped.
I never liked the cut edge, so I let Zanadu cut the slit on his punch press table rigged with knife blade.
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The spools were 3" width.
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I also made thumb coils out of mylar (Rudy Coby age 11 used them as nose coils).
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Oct 9, 2011 11:47PM)
I have been thinking about doing this for a while, and also for use as a final load for some other effects in my act. I never thought of the tissue paper rolls because I cannot recall ever having seen such a thing. After reading about the tissue paper rolls here, has anyone thought to use crepe paper rolls cut to width? Those might work, especially if you smooth it out (afterall, crepe paper is tissue paper, just wrinkled to look like the fabric) and wind it up tightly. These would surely save some time on cutting from a larger roll, although I am not sure how economical they would be. I have used ironed strips of crepe paper for effects similar to the Chinese Laundry Ticket but never thought to use it to make a coil.

If you ever have a need for plain white coils of any sort, look for the rolls of adding machine tape - I have used those for hat coils in the past with great success, and, they are reusable. I also made a hat coil out of a cotton/linen blend fabric by sewing carefully cut strips end for end, then adding backing (starch) to it and running it over with a hot iron before winding it up tightly. That worked well for me too.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Oct 10, 2011 07:33AM)
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On 2011-10-10 00:47, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
I have been thinking about doing this for a while, and also for use as a final load for some other effects in my act. I never thought of the tissue paper rolls because I cannot recall ever having seen such a thing. After reading about the tissue paper rolls here, has anyone thought to use crepe paper rolls cut to width? Those might work, especially if you smooth it out (afterall, crepe paper is tissue paper, just wrinkled to look like the fabric) and wind it up tightly. These would surely save some time on cutting from a larger roll, although I am not sure how economical they would be. I have used ironed strips of crepe paper for effects similar to the Chinese Laundry Ticket but never thought to use it to make a coil.

If you ever have a need for plain white coils of any sort, look for the rolls of adding machine tape - I have used those fowidth, but too stiffr hat coils in the past with great success, and, they are reusable. I also made a hat coil out of a cotton/linen blend fabric by sewing carefully cut strips end for end, then adding backing (starch) to it and running it over with a hot iron before winding it up tightly. That worked well for me too.
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Other papers can be problematic. Adding machine tape is the right length, but too stiff and prone to paper cuts on the lips. Remember the coil is coming from the mouth and does touch the lips. Crepe paper is too elastic and not enough length and and can hang up, it is also thicker and too spongy when rolled.
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Oct 10, 2011 10:08AM)
Would the crepe paper still be too elastic if you ironed out all the folds and wrinkles? I can not imagine why not but since I have never tried it, I could be wrong.

As for the adding machine tape, there are some types available that are more of a polymeric material than actual paper and have edges that are softer. I have never gotten paper cuts in using those myself.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Oct 10, 2011 11:22AM)
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On 2011-10-10 11:08, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
Would the crepe paper still be too elastic if you ironed out all the folds and wrinkles? I can not imagine why not but since I have never tried it, I could be wrong.

As for the adding machine tape, there are some types available that are more of a polymeric material than actual paper and have edges that are softer. I have never gotten paper cuts in using those myself.
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Ironing crepe paper is a long way to go, the idea, I believe is to make it better or on the fly.
I have seen newspaper comics used, as long as you put a shell over the final product so as not to get it wet.
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Oct 10, 2011 06:57PM)
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On 2011-03-25 09:13, mrmetropolis wrote:
Thanks guys... I did the math, roughly... well, It all depends on which distributor you purchase from. Mouth Coils by Bazar de Magia are cheapest but they don't look like they come out the same way Cresey coils do. Anyway... with a bulk roll of 5200 feet and assuming you are making coils that are 25 feet long, and that it takes two inches per coil it comes out to about .35 USD. The same premade and in various colors from Cresey are can run between .87 and 1.10 USD each. Anyway... besides all that jazz... I just like to make stuff, feels more real to me.
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If you're prepared to do all that work to save less than a dollar a time I think I should employ you to mow my lawns and wash my windows :)
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Oct 10, 2011 10:16PM)
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On 2011-10-10 12:22, magicians wrote:
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On 2011-10-10 11:08, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
Would the crepe paper still be too elastic if you ironed out all the folds and wrinkles? I can not imagine why not but since I have never tried it, I could be wrong.

As for the adding machine tape, there are some types available that are more of a polymeric material than actual paper and have edges that are softer. I have never gotten paper cuts in using those myself.
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Ironing crepe paper is a long way to go, the idea, I believe is to make it better or on the fly.
I have seen newspaper comics used, as long as you put a shell over the final product so as not to get it wet.
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I like the idea of a newspaper comic coil - how organic! What type of cap would you suggest?
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Oct 10, 2011 11:37PM)
It's just not that difficult to make them. We always give the Wiz Kids a workshop in which they learn to roll their own mouth coils and even the youngest Kids can handle it in under an hour. Every roll makes about ten mouth coils and you get to choose the colors, patterns, glitter confetti inserts, UV light effects and so on. In addition, they are really good for so much more than just pulling out of your mouth.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Oct 11, 2011 07:53AM)
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On 2011-10-10 23:16, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
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On 2011-10-10 12:22, magicians wrote:
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On 2011-10-10 11:08, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
Would the crepe paper still be too elastic if you ironed out all the folds and wrinkles? I can not imagine why not but since I have never tried it, I could be wrong.

As for the adding machine tape, there are some types available that are more of a polymeric material than actual paper and have edges that are softer. I have never gotten paper cuts in using those myself.
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Ironing crepe paper is a long way to go, the idea, I believe is to make it better or on the fly.
I have seen newspaper comics used, as long as you put a shell over the final product so as not to get it wet.
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I like the idea of a newspaper comic coil - how organic! What type of cap would you suggest?
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Just a buffer made of clean white paper so as not to have contact with the news ink. Wrap a piece of paper around the final rolled coil, tape it, then wrap a piece at the insertion end of he coil, and tape. When you place it in the mouth, your lips and tongue will only touch the white paper.
Note: you have to be slower with newsprint as it is not as strong as standard mouth coil.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 11, 2011 09:27AM)
I used to make newspaper coils, but a bit larger in size... not to go into my mouth, but from the hand. They can be made a bit looser and they pull more freely with less risk of breakage. Otherwise, as Ian said, the paper will tear easier. The plain paper cap is good, but you could also just wrap a layer of scotch tape around the bundle, and maybe a piece at the lead end. The only thing you need is a temporary barrier from moisture. Aside from those with excessive saliva, most people will find this sufficient.