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Topic: Chop Cup Recomendation
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Aug 6, 2003 09:57AM)
Is there a particular chop cup that is most recommended? Is the El Duco Golden Chop Cup a decent quality cup? I have seen some chop cups sell for $15.00 or less. Are these reliable and stand up to inspections by spectators?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 6, 2003 12:34PM)
Why would you let anyone handle your props? Would a violinist pass his violin out for examination?

Go to a magic shop and look over what's available.

There are good ones of all shapes... I prefer the Don Alan squatty one, the coffee mug one or a leather cup I use to produce real solid billard balls (Leather keeps 'em quiet).
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Aug 6, 2003 02:31PM)
Most of the on-line shops I have checked with only carry the Johnson brand or the cheap $15.00 chop cups. Any advice on where to look for Don Alan brand, or any other brands for comparison?
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Aug 6, 2003 02:43PM)
My vote goes for the coffee mug version.

Or for certain "sophisticated" venues I've always wanted to work out a routine with the version that looks like the lower part of one of those mini cocktail shakers (you do the routine with olives instead of balls). I haven't purchased it yet , but I have my eye on it .

On another thread Biro gives his idea for making an impromptu version with a paper covered glass . (the gaff is concealed under the paper which is used to wrap the glass.) Great idea.

For impromptu I've used a paper cup with the Enigma gimmick . IF the Enigma gimmick is strong enough it will work with certain types of opaque glasses and coffee mugs, but you're taking a chance . The Enigma works best for me with a paper or styrofoam cup .

However, my favorite remains the coffee mug . It looks so innocent no one will suspect it . You can just concentrate on the effect .
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Aug 6, 2003 07:00PM)
I've used a plain old pringles can (mini) with success and used the chopped mini mike rogers baseballs.

The balls are not cheap ($15 for the pair) but the can is $1.

The combo of the can and the balls work very well together and offer a lot of patter potential.


Regarding keeping your stuff from getting stolen...
Usually in a chop cup set the balls are cheap to replace and the cup is more expensive.

This set is different!
If someone grabs your can, so what.
If someone grabs your balls, ouch!
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Aug 12, 2003 09:22AM)
The El Duco chop cup is a nice cup to work with but I think the Neilsen Tea cup chop cup has a more natural (read ungimicked) look to it.

Jonas Karlsson
Vibono Magic
Sweden
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Aug 12, 2003 11:32AM)
I think that as far as quality goes most people would agree that the johnson chop cup is a great thing to have. It's about $65 though. But for quality, appearance, and size of final load you can fit under there it's worth it.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 12, 2003 12:11PM)
The old Morrissey low cup is nice. Paul Daniels, who does the best chop cup routine (a variation of Ken Brooke's) uses the larger Ken Brooke cup.

Check ebay for chop cups there are many coming up all the time. A Rings N Things is one you can't miss with.

:nana:

Magic Inc. used to sell a gaffed beer can, check them out and see if they still do.

I like the Pringles can idea and will see if I can find one later today at the market. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Aug 12, 2003 03:03PM)
Dozens and dozens of different styles of Chop Cups have been created over the years. The question is not necessarily "what's best?" The question is what kind of a routine are you going to do? I'm not a drinker so a beer can would be out of place for me. Yes, the Nielsen Tea Cup or mini rice bowl is beautiful, but I'd have to have some reason to be carrying that kind of thing around. Come up with your presentation... your hook... your final load(s) and then you can decide what's going to work for you. The Morrisey cups work okay, but plan on playing with a few possible balls at your magic shop to get the set that works properly with the Cup. I really liked the Ken Brooke cup, but they're just not available unless you can find one at an auction. In time, Jim Riser will produce a large size Chop Cup and I have one prototype in front of me. Some changes will be needed, which Jim is working on. When he's ready, you can count on the fact that if will be a high quality prop. (And won't be inexpensive... but quality never is.)
For a generic chop cup routine, Pete's absolutely right. You can't top Paul Daniels presentation. He's the king of Chop Cups now that Don Alan's gone.
Dennis Loomis
http://www.loomismagic.com
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Aug 12, 2003 04:10PM)
Where can we see this "Paul Daniels" gentlemen perform this chop cup routine?

I like 3 chop cups for their feel and my confidence that what I want to "happen" will...

A. The Pringles Can with Mike Rogers chopped baseballs
B. The Loomis/Riser Mini with the Loomis balls
C. The Johnson Cup with a variety of balls.

The johnson cup has a very convex inside to the cup which helps facilitate the appearance of the ball, if you know what I mean.

Other cups with a flatter inside provide a lot of surface area for the unwanted non-appearance of the ball.

The weight of the Johnson cup is wonderful. A nice heavy "clunk" is very natural when it is set down on the table with this cup.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 13, 2003 12:27PM)
Paul did his Chop Cup at the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas and killed with it.

He may also have done it on TV in England, but so far he has not released a tape on it.

Last time we spoke he was considering putting it out on a DVD, but not right now.

Check his website and link to his shop.

:worry:
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Aug 18, 2003 02:34AM)
You can find a preformance on his tape the best of Paul Daniels. It is also fetured in his TV Show that won the Montroux Golden Rose back in the 80's.
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Sep 1, 2003 12:52AM)
would anybody reccomend the loomis micro chop cup or a cheaper version
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Sep 1, 2003 12:58AM)
I can reccommend the Riser/Loomis cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 1, 2003 01:41AM)
I just found a candle snuffer at the Metropolitan Museum shop that would be great for a "high class" Jigernaut... only, being "cone shaped" I found you can do a routine, in miniature, of the Vernon Ball and Cone and it will emulate a chop cup.

They also sold some little rubber monkeys that make great final loads.

Will be working up a routine...

:kermit:
Message: Posted by: saturnin (Sep 1, 2003 10:28AM)
Frank Starsini wrote:

"If someone grabs your balls, ouch! "

Now that is hilarious!!!! (thank God there was acontext behind this sentence)

Ahahahahahahha Sorry, I couldn't resist, as it made me laugh for a good 5 minutes...

Frank, was it written this way intentionally????

Ronnie Lemieux
Message: Posted by: wcb39 (Sep 2, 2003 05:47PM)
If you like a little elegance or something a bit different I strongly recommend Neilson's Japanese Tea Cup. It allows you to use a chop stick which is great for stick moves. It is a porcelan cup with oriental figures on the exterior.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Sep 3, 2003 09:32AM)
To Pete Biro,
You are, and have been for a long time, my kind of magician. Always thinking... always creating... always breaking out of the box. Good luck with the Candle Snuffer. Yes, some of the moves from the Vernon Ball Cone and Handkerchief Routine are adaptable to other cups sets, various chop cups, etc. I use his production of the first ball from a handkerchief in lots of ways and with lots of small objects. (Including a mouth coil.) The color changing ball sequence can be done very nicely with the Micro Chop Cup and the two differently colored final load balls we supply.
To wcb39,
I agree that the Nielsen Tea Cup Chop Cup is a very elegant prop. I have one and occasionally use it. Because much of my close up work is done strolling, I can't use it as often as I'd like. But it is a thing of beauty. Care to tell us about your routine? What do you produce as a final load? What's the patter "hook" or theme?
To Paul Green,
Thanks for the recommendation on the Riser/Loomis Micro Chop. Now that you've had one for almost a year, I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see what you do with it. I'm sure that it's great, as is everything you do.
Denny
http://www.loomismagic.com
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 3, 2003 11:02AM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-01 11:28, saturnin wrote:
Frank Starsini wrote:

"If someone grabs your balls, ouch! "

Now that is hilarious!!!! (thank God there was acontext behind this sentence)

Ahahahahahahha Sorry, I couldn't resist, as it made me laugh for a good 5 minutes...

Frank, was it written this way intentionally????

Ronnie Lemieux


[/quote]
I couldn't resist either...
:applause: :jump:
Message: Posted by: Steve Pellegrino (Sep 14, 2003 08:40AM)
Ickle Pickle has a wide-mouth chop cup that looks great and can hold a baseball for a final load. If you have the book "Korem Without Limits" you can see what the cup looks like (it's not the Ickle Pickle cup, but very similar). Korem has a great stand up, surrounded method for 2 baseball final loads.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Sep 14, 2003 10:16AM)
To Pete Biro:

I read your praise on the Coffee Cup at SME. I think that can also be used to drink out of, so that would cover the excuse for carrying it ("I only drink out of my OWN cup"), and it's always ready to go.

I've had a chop cup for years, I think it's the Ickle Pickle or Morrissey, I'm not sure which. It was part of an auction I won a few years back. I've just never come up with an entertaining way of using it.

Why does the ball go from cup to pocket and back? The final load really get's 'em, but the small ball routine's gotta be short these days...people's attention spans seem to last mere seconds. :lol:

Doug
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Sep 22, 2003 11:32PM)
Loomis/Riser nuff said.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 23, 2003 11:27AM)
I have one of these. I believe it's basically the same cup shape that Paul Wilson uses in The Restaurant act.


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On 2003-09-14 09:40, Steve Pellegrino wrote:
Ickle Pickle has a wide-mouth chop cup that looks great and can hold a baseball for a final load. If you have the book "Korem Without Limits" you can see what the cup looks like (it's not the Ickle Pickle cup, but very similar). Korem has a great stand up, surrounded method for 2 baseball final loads.
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Message: Posted by: Steve Pellegrino (Sep 23, 2003 12:02PM)
Yes, the Ickle Pickle cup is the same/similar to what Paul Wilson uses on the The Restaurant Act video. I recently (within the past year) bought mine from MagicSmith.com, but since they have changed their business, it's no longer available from them. Ronjo.com has it available here: [url=http://www.ronjo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=MA01175&Category_Code=C&Product_Count=110]Click Here![/url]