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Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 04:13AM)
Hi would anybody be interested in Nostradamus Clock, Devils Disk, Future Clock, Frame of Destrucion, Tricky Business, Mystery China Box, Mirror Mate??? Let me know asap before they go...
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 05:03AM)
Mirror mate has gone...
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 06:47AM)
Lots of interest in the Nostradamus Clock so make me an inquiry if interested before it goes at a bargain price... STuart
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 10:15AM)
Also got a phantom clock..
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 10:45AM)
* Nostradamus Clock - MINT, BNIB, Never Opened £60
* Mystery China Box - MINT with instructions, No Packaging £40
* Phantom Clock - MINT, Never Opened £60
* Devils Disk - MINT, Never Opened £50
* Future Clock - MINT, Never Opened £50
* Frame of Destruction - MINT, Never Opened £30
* Tricky Business - MINT, NO Packaging, No Business Cards £50

PM me for more details and negotiations always welcome...

Stuart
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 11:33AM)
You can email me at stuartedmondson at hotmail.com (substitue at for @) for more info...
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 04:22PM)
Anymore for any more. when its gone it gone... getting rid of tento collection to move onto different ventures
Message: Posted by: stereo (Mar 30, 2011 05:02PM)
You talk alone ...You answered 7 times in Your own post without anyone talking to you.
More, You have created 10 posts for the same subject, 10 post to sell tricks while exsite a section specially provided for that. It is disagreeable that aggressive promotion.
More, interesting articles disappear as the second page so you flood the first.
Please stop now. if you need to sell new trick simply use your previous post or special section for sales.
I'll tell you something, basically I wanted to buy you a lot of magic tricks and finally, little by little, I was discouraged and suspicious by the fact that you raise your messages constantly almost aggressive manner. I sought advice from other members who told me that they think the same thing as me. Finally I've bought nothing ... I think it is clumsy.
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Mar 30, 2011 05:19PM)
Ok, look truth be known I am just trying to sell off my collection of tenyo items nothing else.. I was trying to raise my post count by advertising my items so I could gain access to the selling/trading area of the site, ive sold a few its and the rest I will relist in the appropriate area and also ebay and throught my website.. I wont be posting anymore posts in here just joining in the community.. sorry if I have come across as agressive or suspicious I didn't mean to I am very reliable so if we can all start again that would be great and if you are still interested in anything feel free to pm me or make a post... Stuart
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 31, 2011 02:56AM)
I agree with Stereo's impression....this was becoming more and more rude during the last days. :(
And, honestly, Stuart's behaviour was more than transparent if you looked at this posts:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=409495&forum=41

I don't like spammers and I don't like aggressive marketing so I declined as well. Trading such delicate items is a matter of trust in the first place. High prices are at stake and if I don't feel comfortable with it I'll simply leave it....

But hopefully Stuart will slowly start to show more maturity as he announced in another post?
(Now that he has gained his 50+....) :evil:
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (Mar 31, 2011 04:40PM)
I have to disagree with the bashing that's been going on. Stuart didn't have access to the sell/trade section because he didn't have the required 50 posts, so he listed his Tenyo items here. There are other threads on this forum proposing just such a thing anyway (starting a section in the "Tenyo of Japan" forum just for selling and trading Tenyo), so he's really not out of line. And others of us who don't have the 50 posts (including me - and I'm not going to generate empty posts just to get there) had the chance to buy if we wanted. If you're not interested, then just ignore his posts.
Message: Posted by: macmac (Mar 31, 2011 04:40PM)
I agree with Stereo and Nicolino. I am very new to this site and have also posted Tenyo for sale but there has to be common sense, maturity and an understanding of the forum. Bombarding multiple threads about tenyo items for sale without even a reply alienates other users. That said lets keep this in perspective. He has apologised so lets move on. We all make mistakes.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 1, 2011 02:35AM)
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On 2011-03-31 17:40, cyberdave03 wrote:
I have to disagree with the bashing that's been going on.
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No bashing, just annoyance.
According to the guidelines of the Café, he could have been banned for his spamming and flooding, even more as he was clearly aiming to get a certain posts under his belt. So our criticism was only due to the fact that this behavioir is unappropriate and annoying - and that's what these guidelines are for.

[quote]
On 2011-03-31 17:40, cyberdave03 wrote:
And others of us who don't have the 50 posts (including me - and I'm not going to generate empty posts just to get there) had the chance to buy if we wanted. If you're not interested, then just ignore his posts.
[/quote]

There's a difference between posting and bombarding. Of course it's a good idea to post here in the special section if you can't access the Trade forum, but it things worsen when someone is posting over and over mainly the same stuff.

Okay, let's move on....! :)
Message: Posted by: R-U-D-! (Apr 1, 2011 04:51AM)
@nicolino - Hi, your question:

Look at the left side...and now you know the answer ;-)

*lol* to you
R-U-D-!

till soon...
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 1, 2011 05:46AM)
If it is not allowed to sell objects until you have posted 50 posts since there is obviously a reason. Cyberdave thinks he is smarter than the webmaster explaining that this excuse that. Meanwhile we have here a perfect illustration of the concept and the idea behind this limitation.
The aim is clearly to see how a member behaves on forum, how a member déscide to use the forum, and even how a member will try to manage this limitation over time. The goal is to allow people to get an idea of the person before you can make commercial exchanges with this unknown person. It is a small guard rail and I'm surprised you do not understand that. Each puzzle to a solution, to paraphrase Professor Layton, I advise you this game to develop your mind sagacity... In fact if every newcomer is given the right to circumvent the rules because it is boring (you get the picture), we arrive at this kind of situation, or we ask the question about the honest person, and we wonder if we should send him 150usd paypal without warranties. Finally when you are new to forums, we respect the rules created by the person who created the forum, it is the basis of respect and education, as in real life.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 1, 2011 09:14AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-01 05:51, R-U-D-! wrote:
@nicolino - Hi, your question:
...
[/quote]

An inside joke perhaps? :confused:

Oh and about the '50 posts' matter, I think it does have its advantages as Stereo and Nicolino mentioned, but on the other hand it is a bit confusing for a new member I think (at least it was for me, and yes I know there are/were multiple threads devoted on the subject but the search function on this site isn't one of the best imho, or at least it sure wasn't at the time I was a 'novice' here). Spamming to reach the 50 post limi is a big nono of course, but Stuart realized (a liltle on the late side perhaps :P j/k) he made a mistake and apoligized - that's more then enough for me.
Another thing that irritated me/didn't realize in the beginning was the time limit to adjust a posts, but this also has advantages I think.

I think it is also important to e-mail or even phone with someone to make sure the person is thrustworthy. I phoned JM Talbot in Canada for example (or was it you that phoned me John?), well his calming and I may add very sexy voice convinced me this is the guy to deal with :lol: :) (this isn't intended ironic, he really is great to deal with, I even got a free magic trick of him :) )

I even met someone from Germany (not Nicolino) coming to Belgium and visit me (I lost contact unfortunately though - he did some great bargains now that I think of it, much more difficult to say 'no' when someone offers a price for a trick in real life actually ... well perhaps I'm a bit of a [i]wussy[/i] that's possible too ;))!

Makes me wonder if there would be interest in some sort of 'Tenyo-meeting' ...? Stereobasic, Nicolino, myself, another guy from Belgium (not a member of this forum) and some guys from the UK don't live THAT far from eachother (at least not when you compare it to distances in the USA) ... .
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 1, 2011 09:41AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-01 05:51, R-U-D-! wrote:
@nicolino - Hi, your question:

Look at the left side...and now you know the answer ;-)

*lol* to you
R-U-D-!

till soon...

[/quote]

a riddle...¿?
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 1, 2011 09:48AM)
I think stuartle now understand that Killertweety positive feedback (on other topic) will open him more doors than posting...
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 1, 2011 09:55AM)
...and posting...
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 1, 2011 09:56AM)
...and posting... :D
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 1, 2011 10:14AM)
:handcuffs: Magic Patagonia! He is a :spam: - :firedevil:
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 1, 2011 10:50AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-01 10:14, Killertweety wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-04-01 05:51, R-U-D-! wrote:
@nicolino - Hi, your question:
...
[/quote]

An inside joke perhaps? :confused:
[/quote]
Yes, an insider! He's a close friend of mine and I asked him this morning about the number of posts [i]he[/i] already had....
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Apr 4, 2011 09:01AM)
A sexy voice... if only I had a dollar for everytime I've been told that! (kiddding). Thanks for the kind words Killertweety. You have been great to deal with and I agree it is smart to know who you are dealing with.

John
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (Apr 5, 2011 12:03PM)
Actually, Stereo, I am a pretty smart guy. That includes being versed in statistics. So I know there is no way that the webmasters could have performed a univariate analysis correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions, as this website isn't set up to collect that kind of data. Which means the 50 post threshold is a completely arbitrary number, of no utility, that neither ensures the honesty of anyone reaching it, nor the dishonesty of anyone who hasn't. Ebay has had a problem with sellers using false identities, making numerous legitimate sales to rack up high positive ratings and a trusted profile, only to have them then make a killing by "selling" dozens of high priced items at once and bolting with the proceeds without delivering. This website is no less vulnerable.
The best way to protect against being defrauded is to evaluate each transaction on an individual basis - assuming you're given the opportunity to make one.

But you go ahead and keep on believing the emperor has new clothes.

Oh look, I'm yet one post closer to 50.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Apr 5, 2011 01:04PM)
My two cents... I think the 50 posts thing is good in that it provides a "reward" for being actively involved in the Café and as pointed out above, helps to get to know someone a little better before dealing with them. Is it perfect no, could someone still rip you off yes. Howvever I had a good comfort level from the individuals I have done transactions with here from the way they conducted themselves in their posts. As always buyer beware... however there is a core group here that feels comfortable dealing with each other.

John
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Apr 5, 2011 01:19PM)
I know you guys have known each other for a long time through this site, but not opening up to others you could be missing out on some great items, I have dealt with Killertweety has he had any problems no, just ask him, I am a genuine person to deal with... Stuart
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Apr 5, 2011 01:38PM)
Not saying that you are not a great guy (Killertweety's endorsement goes a long way). Just explaining why I think the 50 posts is not a bad idea. At the end of the day we want more active Tenyo fans here that we can share ideas with and possibly buy and sell from.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Apr 5, 2011 01:48PM)
I totallyt agree and I will strive to make progress and join in where I can in future posts... Stuart
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Apr 5, 2011 02:22PM)
I have no doubt that you will Stuart, and if at some point you have an item I am looking for I would not hesitate to deal with you.

John
Message: Posted by: stuartle (Apr 5, 2011 02:25PM)
Thank You.... STuart
Message: Posted by: Houdini103126 (Apr 5, 2011 03:52PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 13:03, cyberdave03 wrote:
Actually, Stereo, I am a pretty smart guy. That includes being versed in statistics. So I know there is no way that the webmasters could have performed a univariate analysis correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions, as this website isn't set up to collect that kind of data. Which means the 50 post threshold is a completely arbitrary number, of no utility, that neither ensures the honesty of anyone reaching it, nor the dishonesty of anyone who hasn't. Ebay has had a problem with sellers using false identities, making numerous legitimate sales to rack up high positive ratings and a trusted profile, only to have them then make a killing by "selling" dozens of high priced items at once and bolting with the proceeds without delivering. This website is no less vulnerable.
The best way to protect against being defrauded is to evaluate each transaction on an individual basis - assuming you're given the opportunity to make one.

But you go ahead and keep on believing the emperor has new clothes.

Oh look, I'm yet one post closer to 50.
[/quote]

I have to agree with Cyberdave on this one.

50 posts makes you no more trustworthy than 49, it's not like anyone put any serious thought into the number, it's simply to discourage con men, scammers, whatever you want to call them. I will point out that a higher number IS chosen to track client source IP address consistency. It's probably a pretty good bet that if a user posting here with less than the arbitrary 50 post number sources from numerous source IP addresses (say more than 10 to rule out mobiles devices, from work, from school, from home, etc), it's an inkling that the user's intentions MIGHT be suspect but far from predictive. If the admin notes the same IP addresses multiple times, over and over, it's at least a bit better indication of intention (albeit far from trustworthy as the user could be using a paid proxy sourcing from a relatively small range of IP addresses, there's always risk).

I'm also not so sure why so many folks get so angry about posting in the wrong thread, multiple posts, on and on. Yes it can be annoying for some but if it's annoying you that bad, you probably shouldn't be a member of any forum because the same things happen on all of them.

Rules are rules and I believe in following them, but we should probably take it easy and enjoy our mutually shared passion, Tenyo magic products.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Apr 5, 2011 04:13PM)
I think it just comes down to trying to follow basic forum etiquette. I know when first getting a serious interest in Tenyo I went back and read all the past posts... I learned a lot and appreciated that the posts stayed on track on a particular topic. It is when people are too lazy to read past posts before asking a question or starting a new post I get frustrated (and not just in the Tenyo section). This is just my opinion but if someone has a serious interest I would think you would want to read past information amd then post or comment as appropriate based on that foundation. End of soapbox...

Steve has posted in the past on why the 50 hurdle. it is more to encourage active particpation versus a security thing.

John
Message: Posted by: Houdini103126 (Apr 5, 2011 05:10PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 17:13, J M Talbot wrote:
I think it just comes down to trying to follow basic forum etiquette. I know when first getting a serious interest in Tenyo I went back and read all the past posts... I learned a lot and appreciated that the posts stayed on track on a particular topic. It is when people are too lazy to read past posts before asking a question or starting a new post I get frustrated (and not just in the Tenyo section). This is just my opinion but if someone has a serious interest I would think you would want to read past information amd then post or comment as appropriate based on that foundation. End of soapbox...

Steve has posted in the past on why the 50 hurdle. it is more to encourage active particpation versus a security thing.

John
[/quote]

Here I completely agree. Forums become research mechanisms and should be treated as such. Answering the same thing over and over is tiring.
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 5, 2011 05:39PM)
Who said that the webmasters could have performed a univariate analysis correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions ????
Who said that the 50 post are not arbitrary number ????
Who said that the 50 post ensures the honesty ????
Message: Posted by: Houdini103126 (Apr 5, 2011 07:02PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 18:39, stereo wrote:
Who said that the webmasters could have performed a univariate analysis correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions ????
Who said that the 50 post are not arbitrary number ????
Who said that the 50 post ensures the honesty ????
[/quote]

I never said 50 posts ensure honesty, I did agree with Cyberdave that the 50 posts are arbitrary because they are, no comment on uni-variate analysis because I know nothing about it.

Stereo, you seem like a cool guy and have a GREAT web site, thought I have to tell you, you seem hostile man, there's no good reason to get hot over forum posts. Life's too *** short. I have nothing against you personally, I don't know you, but I suggest relaxing a bit.

Because of all of these responses, now this thread has turned into one big chain of spam completely diverting the topic of the thread.

You have your opinion and I respect that, I agree to disagree with people, I don't get angry over it, not worth it.
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 5, 2011 07:20PM)
You see the hostility or there is no.
As I have said many times on this forum, machine translation can do things seem harsher than they are in my original text. Poverty of the English vocabulary does not help either.
I was just looking to be noticed that I did not see the connection between my post and the reply that you have made to my post. I just explain that there is rules in this forum which are for the convenience of all and that the 50 posts can be used to be able to better know someone and you answer me the explanation based on statistics correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions and that the 50 posts are arbitrary and do not ensure the honesty.Except I've never said otherwise. I'm not angry about posting in the wrong thread, multiple posts, on and on, I just think it's disrespectful attitude when it tends to repeat again and again. Then indeed the debate is over long ago, but I'm just surprised that there have in fact a debate about this. Seems so logical to me.
Message: Posted by: Houdini103126 (Apr 5, 2011 07:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 20:20, stereo wrote:
You see the hostility or there is no.
As I have said many times on this forum, machine translation can do things seem harsher than they are in my original text. Poverty of the English vocabulary does not help either.
I was just looking to be noticed that I did not see the connection between my post and the reply that you have made to my post. I just explain that there is rules in this forum which are for the convenience of all and that the 50 posts can be used to be able to better know someone and you answer me the explanation based on statistics correlating number of posts with number of dishonest transactions and that the 50 posts are arbitrary and do not ensure the honesty.Except I've never said otherwise. I'm not angry about posting in the wrong thread, multiple posts, on and on, I just think it's disrespectful attitude when it tends to repeat again and again. Then indeed the debate is over long ago, but I'm just surprised that there have in fact a debate about this. Seems so logical to me.
[/quote]

First off, you should give yourself more credit, you can speak English! I can't speak French, so you're doing better than me! ;)

1) Cyberdave answered you about the statistics stuff, not me. Nothing against Cyberdave, but knowing or not knowing statistics doesn't make you smart.

2) I do agree with him that 50 is an arbitrary number, as I said, what difference would it make if I post 49 times or 50 times in allowing me access to the for sale section? I do agree that it bodes well in at least getting to know someone a bit. I also know that admins will institute such numbers to analyze information security trends (my profession).

3) Nothing in the cyber world can insure honesty outside of turning off your computer ;)

Debates are good, I agree to disagree, I only disagree that this thread turned into such a waste of brain power! LOL

At the same time, I'm apart of it! LOL
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 6, 2011 08:09AM)
Yes I'm sorry, my horrible aggression was in fact intended to Cyberdave. I got lost, as I understand not all, just been completely shifted. After reading all the answers, I must say that yours was relevant . My apologies.
Message: Posted by: Houdini103126 (Apr 7, 2011 03:50PM)
So based on what pops up on eBay and other auction sites, what is the rarest Tenyo trick, from say 1-10?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 7, 2011 03:58PM)
Must sound funny but I never saw a mint Midas Machine on eBay - while I spotted mint Floating Ladys and Ninja Experiments....
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 7, 2011 04:50PM)
I have put 4 or 5 brand new Midas Mahcine on ebay this year. You don't see it ?
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 8, 2011 02:12PM)
Indeed, Stereo has been selling loads of Midas-Machines :)

VERY rare are tricks like:
- Fantastic (the one with the matchboxes and candles changing color)
- Melting Loop (Richard kaufman used to own one that he found accidentaly at a local magic shop, seems few were produced - he sold his copy years ago)
- Penetro Coin
- Mystic Ruby
- Coin Case
- Against Gravity
- Astro Tube
- Invisible Man
- Astro Coin
- Color Fantasy

That's about 10 I believe, in no perticular order.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 8, 2011 02:29PM)
Most of these 'old'/'vintage' tricks have been copied by other manufaturers. This is an overview for you guys :

Fantastic: - no copy
Melting Loop: - no copy, though I think this is a trick where ropes are together with magnets, as in 4Nightmares and Hungarion Ropes ...
Penetro Coin: - this is the same trick as 'the jiffy coin trick'
Mystic Ruby: - very rare, but basically a paddle trick;
Coin Case: - has been copied a lot, most of us know this trick. Very rare as Tenyo trick!
Against Gravity: - copied a lot, I don't know what the trick is named now, but is it very well known.
Astro Tube: - same as Mikame Dream Tunnel (Mikame's is better!)
Invisible Man: - same as Tenyo PHANTOMA but instead of envolope a plastic house - Our beloved Chilean friend has this trick! Show it to us Roberto ;)
Astro Coin: - the same as Bermuda Triangle as in http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6054749593413059634#
Color Fantasy: This is a trick ... VERY good ... I will give more info ...
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 8, 2011 04:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-08 15:12, Killertweety wrote:
Indeed, Stereo has been selling loads of Midas-Machines :)
[/quote]
You're right, I completely forgot about it although I'm not sure whether he actually sold them or only offered them....
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 8, 2011 04:40PM)
Up and Down Ball is a hard one...I will not rest until I put my hands in one of these...:mad:
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 8, 2011 04:47PM)
What ? I have exchange my Mystic ruby for one Excalibur (not mint without package) last month. Gosh, I got screwed! :)
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Apr 9, 2011 09:25PM)
Just received 2 Tenyo tricks from Stuart that I bought from him that were listed in the Tricks & Effects Sales column.
I find him to be very accurate & coming from the U.K. very fast. The packaging was well done to protect the items.
I do not know Stuart or have any affialiation with him.
IMHO he is a good Magic Café member & trustworthy of buying from.

John