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Topic: Ending My stage show
Message: Posted by: JSMagic (Aug 6, 2003 05:24PM)
Ok, this is to anyone with a creative mind/A stage performer. I have been doing my kids show (same one pretty much) for about 5/6 monthes. At almost every show I do at my ending trick they don't know its the end because its not one of those tricks that ends with BANG and shows that its the final and best effect of my show. Honestly I have been using Peanut Butter and Jelly as my ending...and that's not a BANG, that's just a good trick. I want to open with PB&J instead of close with it. I have been saving for about 2 monthes and im up to $200 in my own account and have been having some trouble picking out an *illusion* (not an effect) to end my show with. I figured for $200 I could find a good one easily. It hasnt been very easy so what im looking for is any suggestions as to what you may do or what you'd want to see a 15 year old magician end his kid show with. Any help is appreciated! Thanks a lot, Josh

Oh Yea - No rabbit productions!
Message: Posted by: Evan Williams (Aug 6, 2003 05:45PM)
Well, I'm 15 so I'll tell you a little about my show.

I open with a bowling ball production with a great routine that completly breaks any ice there might be, has a story, and also kind of starts the theme of getting the kids to believe in magic.

I do 1-2 card tricks in my routine, but each one is only the selection of the card, then the rest is very good for children.

I also do effects like vanishing bandanna, strat-o-sphere, coloring book/vanishing crayons, and PP & J.

My closing effect is my longest routine using a change bag, my version os the baffling underwear trick (mine has scooby do undies in it), 2 kids, and an adult.

It starts out with my showing the 2 scarves, and tieing the knot, and asking the adult to tuck it down the front of their pants. I then do 20th century silks, then goes into my change bag routine. I have a card selected (forced), and the deck set aside. I then produce a silk from a TT which has a big blank card on it. I then go back and forth between the kids where one can pull the silk out, but the other cannot. I finally go back to the kid that cannot find the silk and tell him "ok, I'll show ya how it works, you see that zipper on the bottom of the bag? Go ahead and unzip it." I then stick my hand thru and say "Hi, how you doing (kid's name), are you enjoying the show? That fantastic! But you see (other childs name) over here can still find the silk and your still having some trouble." Now I stick my hand in the changebag and show the silk one more time, then switch the bag over and drop a different silk into the empty compartment from a different TT. I then go over to the kid that couldn't find the silk, and he pulls out the silk with the card on it.

There is a bunch of the routine I didn't post here, mostly dialog.

So then, I look back at the adult, and tell each kid to hold one scarf, and on the count of three, it will penitrate the adult. I take this moment to tell the adult about all the things that might go wrong and where they might feel a sleight tingling. So then the kids pull, and out flies the scooby doo undies.

That's how I finish my kid show.

I hope this helps or gives you some ideas!

Regards,

Evan
Message: Posted by: JSMagic (Aug 6, 2003 06:02PM)
A nice inexpensive way to do it. I just may have to try that (but with my own routine!). Thanks man! Josh
Message: Posted by: Evan Williams (Aug 6, 2003 06:33PM)
Sure no problem. I agree it is very inexpensive, but it sure gets a good bang!

Regards,

Evan
Message: Posted by: Dave Campbell (Aug 6, 2003 08:03PM)
Evan,

That is a fantastic routine!! You show some real imagination and talent to put all those effects together.

Nice Job.

Dave

JS,

As far as a $200 illusion, how about the mutilated parasol. That is priced in that range I believe.

I personally have normally closed my kid shows with the torn and restored newspaper. Their jaws just drop when I produce the restored newspaper.

I am considering moving that trick to the middle of the routine and developing a routine with a dove pan and baking a cake...etc.

Although I really like Evan's use of the change bag and the 20th century silks.

So much to consider....thats what makes this so fun.

Dave
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Aug 6, 2003 08:58PM)
Josh,

Try saving up to invest in the Chair Suspension. That way you can't loose.
Message: Posted by: Leo B. Domapias (Aug 6, 2003 11:13PM)
Hi JS,
I second Dynamike's suggestion. With your $200 now safely tucked away in a safe place, you're just $226 away from your Chair Suspension.

Ben Benjay
Manila, Philippines
Message: Posted by: Dave Campbell (Aug 7, 2003 12:18AM)
I see a lot of people talkingy favorably about the chair suspension. Where does one procure that particular item?

Is it for stage only.....or can you perform it in a living room setting? How close can spectators being without seeing what they are not supposed to see.

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Aug 7, 2003 01:54AM)
HI,
I close my kids show stage or otherwise with the pom pons. For me closers on stage must have several criteria for maximum apllause.

1. the climax of the trick must occur with me alone on stage

2. it must be a strong trick that reallly pushes your character

3. it must have a clear and definite finali

4. I the final line of patter must make them laugh/ giggle as this kick starts the aplause actually I am aiming for the effect to reach it's visual climax and for the audience to be baffled then the final line of patter to kick the laugh and applause.

Phillip
Message: Posted by: Leo B. Domapias (Aug 7, 2003 02:04AM)
It can be performed both on stage and in a living room setting (birthday parties). In fact, some magicians use this illusion as the main "benefit" of their b-day party package, as in : "I'll float the birthday child during his/her party." or "Excellent photo opportunity when I float your child..." Parent don't seem to mind the fine distinction between "float" nd "suspension" when it's time to do the illusion. They are just glad to snap pictures of their child suspended on a chair.

The chair suspension is not a major mindboggler, but in my opinion much superior to the Flying Carpet when it comes to angle and believability. Can be performed very close, as in 3 ft. away, but you need some elbow room to move around if you want to add choreography to your presentation.

Ben Benjay
Manila, Philippines
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Aug 7, 2003 03:47AM)
The chair suspension is not a major mindboggler, but in my opinion much superior to the Flying Carpet when it comes to angle and believability. Can be performed very close, as in 3 ft. away, but you need some elbow room to move around if you want to add choreography to your presentation

HI,
I think though as I have said elsewhere the major problem with kids and a chair suspension is that the kid needs to lie down.... they tend not to like this.. it scares them. often they will try and get up half way through (even if not scared they want to see the trick too) this will cause the balance to shift and the rig to tip often the kid will just slide to the floor like a kiddies slide, However once in a blue moon the gimmick will disengage then ou could have a very bad injury. If you do the chair suspension for kids bear this in mind and make sure you have insurance. I myself don't see many magicians perform and I have seen 3 different performers that had a chair suspension tip. when I did use the flying carpet I never found angles a problem even in living rooms. but there we go each to their own.

Mind you I would not use either of these effects as a closer myself as there is to much to do after the climax.. Ie replace the chairs/or boards dismiss the child .... too messy for a good finish in my opinion
Phillip
Phillip
Message: Posted by: Evan Williams (Aug 7, 2003 07:37AM)
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On 2003-08-06 21:03, Dave Campbell wrote:
Evan,

That is a fantastic routine!! You show some real imagination and talent to put all those effects together.

Nice Job.

Dave
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Thanks for the kind words Dave!

Regards,

Evan
Message: Posted by: Dave Campbell (Aug 7, 2003 09:07AM)
Ben and Phillip,

Thanks for the info on the chair suspension.

Dave
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Aug 7, 2003 01:00PM)
You could end with a routine to music and a production of a large silk.
I think the best end to a kids show birthday is a rabbit. But!! this is not the end all, You could end with anything that leaves the birthday child with something. Like a magic kit, a group picture, A giant balloon animal, wandering cd with the child's picture on it, "Grand finally we make Jimmy disappear!"
You could always say "Did everyone have a good time? On the count of three lets say thank you to Jimmy for inviting us to the best Birthday party on the planet today. One Two three..... And now for the grand finally By far the most dangers, the most exciting the most incredible trick ever.... (you fill in the blank)" Music starts and your off, or you start your rabbit production. The bottom line is build it up and tell them it is the end. For my last routine I need three helpers.....
Message: Posted by: Payne (Aug 7, 2003 04:26PM)
For my standard Kids show I usually finish with my Linking Ring Routine.

For my Wizard School shows I end with a version of the Cords of Fantasia which is used to explain the rules of Quidditch.
I use blue ropes (to represent the sky) which are tied around a small broomstick. Six Golden Hoops representing the goals are then threaded onto the cords followed by two black balls (the bludgers) a red ball (the quaffle) followed by a gold ball with wings(the golden sitch).
I get the kids to call out the names of the various balls and how many points there worth and whay position is responsible for managing what ball.
It plays very big yet packs small.
In the end the Golden Goals penetrate the ropes.
Message: Posted by: Mike Robbins (Aug 7, 2003 08:54PM)
I end with a simple sponge ball routine. I call the BD Child up and show them a "magic test" I was given when I was young. (Cue Harry Potter music) I warn them that it only seems to work for kids. I place a yellow ball in my left hand, close it, turn it over, and wave a wand over it while reciting a small rhyme that tells them I will multiply the ball into two. When I turn my hand back over and open it, there is only one.

Then I give them the ball and the wand and have them do it. When they turn their hand back over and open it, there are two balls.

I then try it again, but say I will multiply the one ball into four. Again it fails and again, when the BD child does it, it works. I then say that the wand was obviously meant for him/her so he/she can keep it. If this is a "Deluxe" party, I also say that he/she passed the test and I can now give them something their parents asked me to give them. I then hand them a magic set.

You don't need an illusion to close a show and, in fact, some of the ****piest closing effects I've ever seen were big boxes.

Mike
Message: Posted by: JSMagic (Aug 7, 2003 09:53PM)
Funny flourish dude, the only way I have been able to signal it's the end, is by saying;

"AND NOW HERE COMES THE TRICK YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR......................
The last one.

You know after seeing thoughts from here and another message board site I said the same question too, I'm thinking, I'm going to limit myself to $100 and figure out 2/3/4 different effects/props (could even be some I already have) and I'm going to put together one long comedy filled good ending routine. I would hate to ask for more suggestions but I'm going to try and put 2 and 2 together to make one nice ending routine - a thought I had already was, use all of my oversized props in this routine somehow... they ALWAYS get a laugh!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Aug 9, 2003 03:19PM)
I also second the chair suspension. I love mine and have used it to end a lot of my b-day party shows. It works for me on several levels:

- It packs down flat and is easy to travel with

- It can be set up and performed in front of anyone without anyone seeing anything.

- Perfect chance for me to take a polaroid of the child floating
with my name and number on the back

- It's very easy to perform in a living room or any room at a house

- The angles are not much of a problem

- The effect is very strong and startling

Overall it just is a great illusion to use in a b-day party setting. If used well, it certainly can be a selling point for the show. Parents love the fact that their child will be levitated during the performance and they look forward to it.
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Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Sep 17, 2003 06:36AM)
After watching Mark Daniel's video tape and seeing him in person at the Kidabra Conference, I see he ends his show with a powerful sentimental closure, which he now markets.

He thanks the guests and the star, and leave them with some power motivational thought as he produces stars that float down from the ceiling to the Disney tune, "Wish Upon a Star". The routine is a powerful closure to any act.

This type of closure is occuring more and more among professional magicians.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Sep 17, 2003 09:27AM)
Den points out an interesting thing here. Not only is this a nice closure effect, but it is a "personality" piece as well.

Denny Haney of Denny and Lee Magic did a lecture a while back that really stuck in my head. It was all about structure and pacing in your shows. He commented on the importance of breaking down the invisible barrier that exists between your audience and you - that an audience can really learn to appreciate the show and you more if you can somehow break down this barrier.

He said that one of the best ways to do this is through the use of a "personality" piece in your show. This is a routine or act that allows you to touch the audience on an emotional level and allows the audience to see you as they see themselves.

After the "personality" piece, the audience should realize you are the same as they are. You have the same problems to face and you share the same emotions they share. Because of this, the audience learns to relate better to you.

The routine that Den mentions above fits this mold perfectly. It is a personality piece that touches on the emotion of setting and reaching for your own goals. Because we all have goals to reach, the audience can relate better to what he is performing.

I just thought I would share this with the group. It is a powerful tool to be used in any performance and it really does work.
Message: Posted by: what (Sep 17, 2003 09:52AM)
Have you considered a simple ending like the "Thank You" banner from Mark Wilsons book? You could give a closing thought or poem and have your final message appear on the banner. It is more af a personality piece, but definitely brings closure to a show.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Sep 17, 2003 10:11AM)
A simple "thank you" or a "thank you banner" could work nicely.
I always set up my shows with a nice ending effect. In most of the kids shows I perform, this is the chair suspension with the floating of the b-day child. But, I also then bring the child up front and allow him/her to receive all the appluase. I then do a simple follow-up message thanking them for being a great audience and for having me there that day.

I always end each show by saying: "I hope I have amazed you... I hope I have amused you.. but most of all... I hope I put a smile on each of your faces. It is a smile that is the real magic. Take care and may all your days be filled with magic."

This is a simple little verse that really allows me to thank them and builds closure to the performance.

I also do a personality piece (mentioned above) in the early part of my show. This allows the audience to relate better to me early on and usually ends up in better performances.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Sep 17, 2003 10:13AM)
You could tie your "thank you banner" unto the end of a ribbon fountain.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Sep 17, 2003 10:29AM)
Another nice ending effect is to start reciting your last ending comments and pick up your cane you may have opened your show with. Then at the end, simply vanish the cane into a very nice 36 inch "Thank You" silk. It really looks great and adds some magic to your ending remarks. Just an idea.
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Sep 18, 2003 06:53PM)
I end on a rabbit production as my kid's show is ALL about making a rabbit appear. It ties the show up nicely and kids know the show is done. It works well.

I think the climax should:

a) signal the end of the show:
It sounds obvious but kids should know that the show is about to end and then when it has ended.

b) Link back to the start of the show:
Tie everything together in a neat package and give the act a sense of completion. You might use a prop you introduced when you first began or try and do a trick that you failed earlier. I know a juggler who stuffed up the same trick three times then at the very end of the show he stopped the show and said "I'm going to get this right" and DID the trick. The crowd went wild! (The next night he did EXACTLY the same thing).

c)Involve the birthday child.
They don't have to be the helper, in fact it's probably better to NOT use a helper for the last trick so you can finish the show quickly and easily and not be left with someone standing. If you end on a big effect (suspension etc.) you might like to do a GOODBYE silk production etc.
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Sep 18, 2003 09:13PM)
I have also ended my show with a sponge ball routine with the birthday child. At the end of the routine the b-day child gets a huge round of applause and everyone has been told that its the last trick, and it has finality to it.

Recently, I have also added the vanishing cane to the show and end with it changing to two silks. I also start the show with the cane, so it comes full circle.

These are great ideas that are being posted--they've got my imagination going.
Message: Posted by: Brian Lehr (Sep 19, 2003 05:58PM)
Regarding "personality pieces," I've enjoyed the way the late Red Skelton used to end his stage performances. He spends the whole show in some wonderful comedy bits, but chooses not to use comedy as his last impression with the audience.

Instead, he gets very sentimental, and thanks them for the privilege of being with them, mentions how it feels good to be able to do comedy without using four-letter words, and ends by saying how important it was for him to put a smile on their faces.

The people leave the auditorium thinking, "He wasn't just a very funny clown/comedian, he was also a very wonderful person!"

Now, that's what I call a "personality piece."

Brian
Message: Posted by: RonCalhoun (Oct 11, 2004 11:44PM)
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On 2003-08-06 18:24, JSMagic wrote:

I have been using Peanut Butter and Jelly as my ending...and that's not a BANG, that's just a good trick. I want to open with PB&J instead of close with it. Any help is appreciated! Thanks a lot, Josh

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Josh, IManythingbutHO, If you are doing P,B,&J right you really want to close with it. The kids get so worked up shouting to you that personally I figure its near impossilbe to do another trick.

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On 2003-08-07 04:47, p.b.jones wrote:
The chair suspension is not a major mindboggler,

…it scares them. often they will try and get up half way through
…(even if not scared they want to see the trick too) this will cause the balance to shift and the rig to tip often the kid will just slide to the floor like a kiddies slide,
…once in a blue moon the gimmick will disengage then you could have a very bad injury.

Phillip
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I'm sorry Mr. Jones but have you even actually performed this trick?

Yes if you use a small child say 5 or under you will "scares them".

You said " they will try and get up half way through … this will cause the balance to shift and the rig to tip often the kid will just slide to the floor like a kiddies slide,

…However once in a blue moon the gimmick will disengage then you could have a very bad injury."

I'm sorry. But YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

No really If you having this problem, good lord man, pull the effect out of your show.

BUT, after 18 years of using this trick I've never had the "gimmick" disengage, never had the “rig to tip”, never had the kid slide to the floor and never anything close to an injury.

Please, Please, Please don't do this trick again until you have read the instructions.

- Ron Calhoun email pitchman01@yahoo.com



[quote]
On 2003-08-07 04:47, p.b.jones wrote:


Mind you I would not use either of these effects as a closer myself as there is to much to do after the climax.. Ie replace the chairs/or boards dismiss the child .... too messy for a good finish in my opinion
Phillip

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Yes Sir, The Chair Suspension is a better show stopper followed by a better finishing effect.

[quote]
On 2003-08-07 03:04, Leo B. Domapias wrote:
...The chair suspension is not a major mindboggler

Ben Benjay
Manila, Philippines
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I disagree.
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Oct 12, 2004 03:29AM)
HI Ron,
No the chair suspension is not in my act for the very reasons you state, I did perform it for a while but dropped it because of kids crying on it and wanting to get off. I am glad it has never tipped for you, but it IS a risk it is a known risk not just me saying so, I know of several magicians where this has happened, magic dealer Ron gilbert came up with the idea of an removable extension pillow which attached to the head end this added several advantages, it adds a level of comfort but most importantly it puts the helper further up the plank thus the body is more balanced greatly reducing any chance of tipping, however it does make the person look as if they could be balanced on the chair.
Phillip
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 12, 2004 04:22AM)
On Ken Scott's video, he uses PB&J without using the sandwich. When I first saw this, I initially thought it wouldn't be good without the messy peanut butter and jam sandwich. I actually use a change bag (idea from Wellington) for my finale. However, Ken does the trick very fast w/o the sandwich ending and it is funny.

As a filler and part of one's show, this may be good to use w/o the sandwich and less stuff to bring in and out. Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: spkrosky (Oct 12, 2004 10:44AM)
I use a dove pan to make candy for my closer. While I know some object because tossing candy to the kids isn't the best in audience control, it really is an entertaining trick with a delicious finish!