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Topic: Thinking About The South.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (Apr 28, 2011 05:16PM)
With so much altruism expressed on these pages, it behooves me to ask the question, who will take up the cause for those killed and hurt in the resent tornadoes down south? I would do it, but given the unsubstantiated rumors about me, it would probably do more to hinder the victims, than help?

So who will step up? Or will anyone? Is our helping others just focused on foreign shores? Just asking?
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Apr 28, 2011 05:21PM)
Jdmagic:

It's so generous you step up first and propose yourself: youre a generous person:
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 28, 2011 07:11PM)
JD.

Why not follow in the wonderful footsteps of Pablo Amira and set up a 'group effort' style book, where all the proceeds go towards helping those in need?

You could start by adding a few of your own effects?... and let the ball roll from there.

And, If those rumors are indeed unsubstantiated... your generous actions may go a bit further to disprove them?

Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Apr 28, 2011 07:21PM)
That's great of you to step up, JD!

What do you propose?
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (Apr 28, 2011 07:44PM)
I'd be happy to discuss it with you in pm. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Apr 28, 2011 07:56PM)
Why not discuss it publicly? It's your initiative, after all.

And a rather generous and considerate one, I might add.
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Apr 28, 2011 08:12PM)
Gottta side with Paul, you do what Pablo Amira, did.

J ack

H.o.A-X
Message: Posted by: TonyBrand (Apr 28, 2011 08:17PM)
I also agree with Paul's suggestion. I would be glad to help wherever I can.
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (Apr 28, 2011 08:18PM)
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On 2011-04-28 18:16, jdmagic357 wrote:
So who will step up? Or will anyone? Is our helping others just focused on foreign shores? Just asking?
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You seem to be under the impression that everyone on the Café is from the USA... Some of us ARE foreigners to you! :)

I agree with everyone above; follow the extremely generous lead of Pablo Amira and start the ball rolling mate! He has helmed two successful charity eBooks now, which is amazing. Maybe send him a PM and ask for his help?
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Apr 28, 2011 08:23PM)
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On 2011-04-28 20:56, kfortin wrote:
Why not discuss it publicly? It's your initiative, after all.

And a rather generous and considerate one, I might add.
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agreed with kfortin:

you did step up jdmagic:

and now you should not be shy: you should be proud of your offer

state it publicly !! no PMs !!
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 28, 2011 09:22PM)
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On 2011-04-28 21:18, Sid Helkule wrote:
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On 2011-04-28 18:16, jdmagic357 wrote:
So who will step up? Or will anyone? Is our helping others just focused on foreign shores? Just asking?
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I agree with everyone above; follow the extremely generous lead of Pablo Amira and start the ball rolling mate! He has helmed two successful charity eBooks now, which is amazing. Maybe send him a PM and ask for his help?
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Great idea Sid. Pablo has a lot of knowledge, is a great guy and Im sure would be happy to give you advice. He sure hasn't discriminated when it came time to getting his hands dirty and helping the needy. Just humans helping humans... doesn't matter where they are from does it?

Share the premise of a few of your own original effects with us, just so we can get a feel for where you hope to head with this.

Best of luck.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 28, 2011 09:27PM)
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On 2011-04-28 18:16, jdmagic357 wrote:
With so much altruism expressed on these pages, it behooves me to ask the question, who will take up the cause for those killed and hurt in the resent tornadoes down south? I would do it, but given the unsubstantiated rumors about me, it would probably do more to hinder the victims, than help?

So who will step up? Or will anyone? Is our helping others just focused on foreign shores? Just asking?
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Hi,
What are you thinking about. I'd like to help if possible.
Thanks,
Jack
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 29, 2011 06:35AM)
Yeah, I'll help too - if you want a cover designed (for free) I'll happily create one for you...
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (Apr 29, 2011 10:01AM)
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On 2011-04-29 07:35, IAIN wrote:
Yeah, I'll help too - if you want a cover designed (for free) I'll happily create one for you...
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Nice! Iain does great covers. I'd jump on that if you're looking to get this project off the ground, design is alway important.

It's nice to see so many people eager to support jdmagic's project. I hope he gets it off the ground! I wasn't aware of the horror in the South until I saw this thread - awful. They could certainly use the help.

If I can contribute in any way as well, let me know!
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Apr 29, 2011 01:59PM)
Anyone looking to help, this is the most efficient way. I posted this in another thread.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=414089&forum=32&0
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (Apr 29, 2011 02:17PM)
My pm is still open. I have yet to receive any covers or contributions? It's really a shame. MB thank you for posting those links in the other thread, it really puts a picture on this whole catastrophe.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 29, 2011 05:05PM)
I may be misunderstanding your initial post...the gist seems to be that somebody should do something to help them, but it's not going to be you, but people should pm you? I don't know that it's a shame that people haven't, necessarily; maybe they're just following Michael's links.
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 29, 2011 10:13PM)
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On 2011-04-29 15:17, jdmagic357 wrote:
My pm is still open. I have yet to receive any covers or contributions? It's really a shame. MB thank you for posting those links in the other thread, it really puts a picture on this whole catastrophe.
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Well that might be because you actually haven’t said you want to do anything about it personally. I suggested an 'Amira' style book... which got plenty of agreement from others, but no response from you.

Are you going to step up and put together a book to help the needy JD? .... Or not? If so, like I asked a few days back, share the premise of a few of your own original ideas with us so we know the kind of direction you want to take this.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (Apr 30, 2011 06:23AM)
I want to thank those who are contributing, and also say that your going beyond personalities for a just cause, is not only generous but honorable. Thank you. As soon as things are more solidified I'll return with more details. For now, this will not be like the ongoing amira project. It will instead be and dollar per trick tome that will increase the donation amount as more items are added. People making donations will not get future works with the added contributions. You will have to donate again if you want that. Also so far I'm considering the Red Cross as the charitable organization to donate to, but if anyone has a more appropriate or giving charity, let me know.

Thanks again to all who give of themselves freely expecting nothing in return. Also to those who know it's not about the individual, but the many who are in need.
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 30, 2011 09:58AM)
Well done JD. Sounds like you have pulled it all together pretty quick! Great stuff.

I look forward to purchasing the final product.

Any idea on a release date?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 30, 2011 04:11PM)
Yeah - give me an email address and a general idea what you need, and I'll send you some roughs...

so...

a) what are you calling it?
b) when do you need it by?
c) is it going to be printed or an ebook? (i need to know for dpi when designed)
d) who are the list of contributors so far - and if you need an effect or two, I have something I can give...
e) contact details of the person you spoke to at whatever charity you are giving to, so I can liaise with them for the charity's logo (to be added to the cover)

thanks...
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (May 1, 2011 07:31AM)
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On 2011-04-30 07:23, jdmagic357 wrote:

Thanks again to all who give of themselves freely expecting nothing in return. Also to those who know it's not about the individual, but the many who are in need.
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Spot on JD. Its not about the individual... but about human beings in need. Like the Japanese with regards to Pablos wonderful efforts.

Do you have a time frame? Im also keen to know who has contributed so far? How much do you reckon it will go for and where can we pay? Do you have an email you can post here or a paypay linked to a blog/web page maybe?

Credit card is at the ready. Great work JD.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 1, 2011 08:42AM)
Happy to help - and I have sent many pieces to various projects like this - but only to people I know with an ID and a way to have some faith the money will go to where people say it will go. Also, will those who donate keep the copyright of their submissions? I've been burned a few times trying to help others, doesn't stop me from donating but just more careful about all the charity projects that pop up all the time.

Just saying this project will take off with a little more clarity.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 1, 2011 08:44AM)
I think dunford and shirley have got the wrong impression of this project? The tome will be more of a thank you, not an absolute for those who donate. it's not about the ebook and it will probably be given to anyone who donates in any way, to the people of the south who wants it.

I should also say that nothing is finalized as of yet, what I have is a few scattered effect contributions and an idea. Those wanting to contribute artwork or effects should just pm them to me. As of right now there isn't even enough for a $5 ebook and if nobody else donates, then I'll have to scrap it, for lack of interest. Would be a shame if that happens.

So to those doing the right thing, keep it up and stay motivated, there are those less fortunate counting on you.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 1, 2011 10:31AM)
It's difficult for me to design anything for you, if you don't tell me (however briefly) what kind of thing you need.

I also need to know who the money is going to - so I can talk to them, and get their proper logo and place it on the cover...(don't want to rip a logo off via a screenshot)

I will happily give you my booktest once it's all been set up, I'll also give you a couple of other effects if you don't get many contributions.

Where else are you promoting this?
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (May 1, 2011 11:10AM)
Jdmagic, while I am not a creator of routines and ideas myself (not that skilled), I'm sure I could send out an email to rally some troops to aid in this great cause. Actually, give me 72 hours and I will have at least 5 contributions for you to start compiling for your charity eBook. I think that this a very worthy cause and will be happy to organise several 'more talented' friends than I who will rally along side you and send you the effects and ideas that you need.

If you're doing a 'pay per routine' and I can find 5 people to contribute - charging $1 per idea is MORE than reasonable. You will be able to get at least $5 to start with for your eBook. So with what you have already and the routines and effects we muster, you will have enough to get an eBook for this incredibly worthy cause off the ground! I like the 'pay per routine' idea - as long as the ideas keep coming you can keep donating!

Brilliant!

:)
Message: Posted by: Scott M (May 1, 2011 01:10PM)
We have been hit pretty hard here in the Raleigh area of NC and the Red Cross is doing good things here...great cause! I have friends in the Alabama area and have heard heart wrenching stories of what has happened to people.

This would be for a great cause!

-Scott M.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 1, 2011 04:06PM)
Yeah, so jdmagic357 has suggested this idea and wants to get things rolling, all we need are some basic rules/guidelines/updates from him and then some of us can help out if possible...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 1, 2011 06:37PM)
So it looks like everybody is ok with the ARC as the charitable institution for the donations? I think we should set up a dummy collection service to be the donating body, so that no one person can take the tax credit, for any monies we give.

I was thinking of something like "The Southern Bell Collection". It's kind of a double entendre "Southern" for obvious reasons. "Bell" as it refers to a young lady in the south, but also for whom the "Bell" tolls? And collection for the money collected and the collection of effects we get.

What do other people think?
Message: Posted by: landmark (May 1, 2011 09:02PM)
If there are any accountants or tax lawyers out there, they may be able to help explain how to do this in the most expeditious and fair way. What did Pablo do?
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 1, 2011 09:44PM)
To my knowledge and I'm not an accountant, if the donation is made via a group effort, no individual can claim the donation on his or her own taxes.

I don't know what pablo did, but I'm not him, and want to make sure no improprieties can be thrown at this cause, and the efforts of those involved.

I hope that will help stay those who would question the intentions of this effort?

As to effect donations, they would become the property of the donating body so that no claim to the premium be made. In other words since nothing is being sold per se, there could be no claim to so called profits. Again I'm not a lawyer, but I think this protects us from action. Also since no names will be connected with the work or donations other than the dummy collection service, I see no need to worry about hostile intentions of donators.

This may seem to be an overwhelming task, but the journey of a million miles, starts with the first step. Nietzsche, I think?
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (May 2, 2011 09:59AM)
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On 2011-05-01 09:44, jdmagic357 wrote:
I think dunford and shirley have got the wrong impression of this project?
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Dunford and Shirley... Sounds like a store that sells up market pyjamas.

I figured that it was a book for sale... given that you had put a price of $1 per 'trick' on it. My mistake.
Just let me know where to donate once its ready man. God bless all of those that have been touched by this tragedy.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 2, 2011 12:32PM)
Can you give me a link please to ARC? too many charities come up via google...need the logo....

and as I said via pm to you, I'll need an email address to send the artwork onto and for clarity, did you want Southern Bell, or Southern Belle? Belle is the correct version I believe.

Posted: May 2, 2011 1:42pm I've got 3 routines for you, and I'll start on the cover next week.
Need an email though, pm function on here won't cut it. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 2, 2011 12:42PM)
I've got 3 routines for you, and I'll start on the cover next week.
Need an email though, pm function on here won't cut it. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 2, 2011 01:29PM)
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Dunford and Shirley... Sounds like a store that sells up market pyjamas.
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Yeah like kibbles and bits. Just Kidding. :)
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 2, 2011 01:32PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-02 13:42, IAIN wrote:
I've got 3 routines for you, and I'll start on the cover next week.

need an email though, pm function on here won't cut it. Thanks.
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I'll see what I can do about getting you an email, and I think your right Belle is the correct inference.

Thanks for the correction. :)

PS. ARC is, the American Red Cross.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 2, 2011 01:37PM)
Yup - post it up, we'll all need it to send in submissions won't we...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 2, 2011 01:45PM)
Here you go. southernbellecollection@gmail.com I will monitor it regularly.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 2, 2011 05:04PM)
3 routines sent to this charitable cause...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 2, 2011 06:36PM)
Thanks Iain, hope to have something substantial soon? Just waiting on helkule offer to rally the troops, so to speak. Until then know, that this is happening but wouldn't without the help of others. THANKS TO EVERYONE!
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (May 3, 2011 08:04AM)
Already got a couple of submissions. I'll get as many as I can over to you, it's taking me a little bit longer and for that I apologise. I've had a few things on that have slowed me down.

Also, you may want to request that the mods move this thread back to Pennys or somewhere else... That way there is more exposure and more people donating towards this cause! A few people who are willing to contribute are a tad concerned though (for obvious reasons). Seeing as we don't really know who you are, people are somewhat nervous about putting their name/donating their ideas to a charity eBook in case those who purchase it are duped. Not saying that you would do that, but I am wondering how you will handle the donations to the ARC...? People who purchase effects will need a reliable place to send the money and proof that the donations have been made of course.

I trust that this idea is 100% sincere, but I know there will be lots of people nervous about contributing to this cause without knowing where the money is gong exactly. You've no doubt thought about this already, but posting it here would ease the minds of many I guess.

I'm sure you understand! :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 3, 2011 02:25PM)
Front cover sent...

I wont be offended if you don't use it - or ask someone else to do one for you...

good luck with the project...

let us know where and when to donate...

and also it goes without saying I hope, that all effects contributed are only sold within the constraints of this charitable cause - and it can't be resold or distributed in any other way...

who are the contributors so far? you wont sell any if its just me...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 3, 2011 02:56PM)
The money will go to the red cross and it will come from the southern belle collective. I'll find a way to get it to them online so people here will be able to see the transactions. As far as names of whois contributing, I don't believe in notoriety through good works, so contributors names will be kept anonymous. If one is donating or helping to be known, then thanks but no thank you. The only true charity is given freely without want or glamor. At least that's how I see it. sorry if this offends anyone, but It's my baby and I have to raise her as best I can. Thanks again for those who understand.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 3, 2011 03:07PM)
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On 2011-05-03 15:25, IAIN wrote:
Front cover sent...
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Very nice cover Iain. If somebody tells me how to post it I'll show it here. Unfortunately the attachment box says it's too big.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 3, 2011 03:44PM)
Though, if you get a big name contribution - that would raise the profile, and more people more likely to buy it surely?
Message: Posted by: Lior (May 3, 2011 09:45PM)
I will send the money directly to the red cross
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 3, 2011 10:31PM)
It is an anonymous book, with anonymous transactions, with an anonymous person, with anonymous contributors (also then anonymous credits then)....

Southern Belle? Like Blanche Dubois????

Some quotes for the project - involving magic and the art of deception... but you may have to credit the writer of the following if you use them (nope, wasn't me):

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Blanche DuBois: Oh, Stanley! What sign were you born under?
Stanley Kowalski: What sign?
Blanche DuBois: Astrological sign. I'll bet you were born under Aries. Aries people are forceful, dynamic, they dote on noise. They love to bang things around.
Stella: Stanley was born just five minutes after Christmas.
Blanche DuBois: Capricorn - the goat!

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Blanche DuBois: Oh look, we have created enchantment.

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Blanche DuBois: Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

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Blanche DuBois: I know I fib a good deal. After all, a woman's charm is 50% illusion.

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Blanche DuBois: I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell truths. I tell what ought to be truth.

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Stanley Kowalski: Now will you just open your eyes to this stuff here. Now I mean, what - has she got this stuff out of teacher's pay?... Will you look at these fine feathers and furs that she comes to bring herself in here. What is this article? That's a solid gold dress, I believe... Now what is that? There's a treasure chest of a pirate... That's pearls, Stella, ropes of 'em. What is your sister - a deep sea diver? Bracelets, solid gold. (To Stella) Where are your pearls and gold bracelets?... And here you are. Diamonds. A crown for an empress... Here's your plantation Stella, right here... Well, the Kowalskis and the DuBois - there's just a different notion on this.


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Stanley Kowalski: She moved to the hotel called Flamingo which is a second class hotel that has the advantages of not interfering with the private and social life of the personalities there. Now the Flamingo is used to all kinds of goings-on. But even the management of the Flamingo was impressed by Dame Blanche. And in fact, they were so impressed that they requested her to turn in her room-key for permanently. And this, this happened a couple of weeks before she showed here... The trouble with Dame Blanche was that she couldn't put on her act any more in Oriel because they got wised up. And after two or three dates, they quit and then she goes on to another one, the same old line, the same old act, and the same old hooey. And as time went by, she became the town character, regarded not just as different but downright loco and nuts. She didn't re. sign temporarily because of her nerves. She was kicked out before the spring term ended. And I hate to tell you the reason that step was taken. A seventeen-year-old kid she got mixed up with - and the boy's dad learned about it and he got in touch with the high-school superintendent. And there was practically a town ordinance passed against her.

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Blanche DuBois: Straight? What's 'straight'? A line can be straight, or a street. But the heart of a human being?

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Blanche DuBois: Marry me, Mitch.
Mitch: No, I don't think I want to marry you anymore... No, you're not clean enough to bring into the house with my mother.

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Stanley Kowalski: How about a few more details on that subject... Let's cop a gander at the bill of sale... What do you mean? She didn't show you no papers, no deed of sale or nothin' like that?... Well then, what was it then? Given away to charity?... Oh I don't care if she hears me. Now let's see the papers... Now listen. Did you ever hear of the Napoleonic code, Stella?... Now just let me enlighten you on a point or two... Now we got here in the state of Louisiana what's known as the Napoleonic code. You see, now according to that, what belongs to the wife belongs to the husband also, and vice versa... It looks to me like you've been swindled baby. And when you get swindled under Napoleonic code, I get swindled too and I don't like to get swindled... Where's the money if the place was sold?

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Stanley Kowalski: Take a look at yourself here in a worn-out Mardi Gras outfit, rented for 50 cents from some rag-picker. And with a crazy crown on. Now what kind of a queen do you think you are? Do you know that I've been on to you from the start, and not once did you pull the wool over this boy's eyes? You come in here and you sprinkle the place with powder and you spray perfume and you stick a paper lantern over the light bulb - and, lo and behold, the place has turned to Egypt and you are the Queen of the Nile, sitting on your throne, swilling down my liquor. And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha!

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A Sailor: Can I help you, ma'am?
Blanche DuBois: Why, they told me to take a streetcar named Desire and then transfer to one called Cemetery and ride six blocks and get off at Elysian Fields.


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In the meantime, I will suggest that every charity project I've seen has allowed names of contributors to be seen - not for showing off, but to retain rights to their ideas for future use....not for glory... but just fairness. Something to consider?
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 3, 2011 11:01PM)
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On 2011-05-03 22:45, Lior wrote:
I will send the money directly to the red cross
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That's your choice. If you provide proof of your donation, I'll give you the appropriate ebooks anyway. Can't be fairer than that?
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 3, 2011 11:14PM)
Spector, I have no idea what your talking about? If your trying to derail this effort then please explain how and why you would do such a thing. As I said in my first post, my involvement in this effort might be controversial and you could have stepped up, to help those in need. YOU DIDN'T. Others have been able to look past their unsubstantiated biases for the sake of others less fortunate, why can't you? Truth is, I don't care, and don't want your help, but perhaps you can look past yourself and not be destructive in you responses, to at least not hinder this effort.

That goes for anybody who would be negative, towards this effort. Just keep it to yourself, as there are some kind and giving people trying to do something good, selflessly for others with this work.

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 4, 2011 08:43AM)
JD, sorry you thought I was derailing. You are getting paranoid. You called it the Southern Belle Collective and as many people around here know, I do free association to boost creativity for all.

As for the anonymity, - it is the highest level of charity giving in the discussions of the Talmud. So, cool. I just raised the fact that although you might stay anonymous, to help get contributions, people's work should be identified not for glory but to protect them being exploited by others.

Anyway, I look forward to when the book comes out and the method to know what we donate actually gets into the hands of the charity. You could reveal your true identity to the contributors - I really don't care who you are or your name but if I do send material, then I would want to know. Doesn't have to be public.

Good luck getting by on the kindness of strangers - and I would love to see Iain's cover posted up here - so just load it on file.ave for free and post the link here. It is that simple.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 4, 2011 09:39AM)
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On 2011-05-04 09:43, Dr Spektor wrote:
and I would love to see Iain's cover posted up here - so just load it on file.ave for free and post the link here. It is that simple.
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Was done a few posts up. It truly is nice and one I'm honored to use.
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 6, 2011 03:03AM)
Now you can answer this challenge, with action, http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=414089&forum=32&6 and we will see how much you love America?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 6, 2011 01:09PM)
I've posted my 3 little routines down in inner thoughts - people have donated to various charities of their own choosing...

I look forward to your donation jdmagic357...

I don't love america, its a lump of earth that people live on, same as where I live in england... we do not own the land, we merely look after it for period of time, fooling ourselves that it belongs to "us"...

I love some americans, just as I love some germans, japanese, chinese, greek, turkish, estonian, english and a few others inbetween (even australians!)...its not where the disaster happens, its about the poor ******* who have gone through it...

I sponsor a chimp each month - thinking of stopping it though, he never calls or writes...lazy fool...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 6, 2011 06:31PM)
Yes it looks like this effort has imploded, as a result of outside agitation and sabotage. A real shame for the southern people!

I am however still grateful, that I was able to shed some light on the issue in this forum.

Please continue to give via whatever means you wish, the victims still need our help!
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (May 6, 2011 08:53PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-06 14:09, IAIN wrote:

I love some americans, just as I love some germans, japanese, chinese, greek, turkish, estonian, english and a few others inbetween (even australians!)...its not where the disaster happens, its about the poor ******* who have gone through it...

I sponsor a chimp each month - thinking of stopping it though, he never calls or writes...lazy fool...
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(EVEN Australians?) Awwww shucks... your making me feel warm and fuzzy Iain.

I sponsor a billion chimps.... and have given them all type writers. Sure, its the long way round, but eventually I WILL end up with my own collection of the complete works of Shakespear. :)
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (May 6, 2011 09:53PM)
Iain-

What about the Irish?

:eek:
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 05:34PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-06 22:53, mastermindreader wrote:
Iain-

What about the Irish?

:eek:
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not keen to be honest...trouble-makers the lot of 'em!

*warning - english humour may not translate - someone I love dearly is irish*

to be honest and open here, considering the amount of baiting and untoward tugging that goes on in here, to give up at the first hurdle is a little weak willed if you ask me...

think of all those people suffering, and then compare a little spat on a forum to that! ridiculous! and not worthy of "giving in"...

still, a measure of a man is to suffer the slings and arrows and to make a stand for what they feel is right in my opinion...

so do as thou whilt...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 7, 2011 06:08PM)
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On 2011-05-07 18:34, IAIN wrote:
to be honest and open here, considering the amount of baiting and untoward tugging that goes on in here, to give up at the first hurdle is a little weak willed if you ask me...

think of all those people suffering, and then compare a little spat on a forum to that! ridiculous! and not worthy of "giving in"...

still, a measure of a man is to suffer the slings and arrows and to make a stand for what they feel is right in my opinion...

so do as thou whilt...
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I know that's why it made no sense to just give away the store in the basement when the owner went home. Might have been better to just keep the store open, but hey that's just me.

Honestly the Irish are some of the most beautiful people to ever walk this planet. They indeed do stand up for what they believe in. As do we Americans. 1776 is proof of that, now isn't it? ;)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 07:05PM)
It was you who surrendered just cos you got questioned - and you who protested and said you were out of the project - I did my bit, I helped, and I have gone and raised money on my own...

if we are dealing in facts, you have actually not done anything, apart from make a couple of posts...but hey, that's just me... it looked like you were just looking for an excuse to surrender and wash your hands of it...

you have the moral responsibility to continue with it if you so wish, and as you will be doing it anonymously, I guess you can say what you want...i've given up my time and energy to contribute - time now for you take action too...

don't forget - just cos they say it, doesn't make it true...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 07:12PM)
And I suppose the bigger question is, if you don't get any contributions, is that people not being interested - or is it that they don't wish to work with you because of your behaviour?

you started this idea, this project - I hope you have the courage to see it through, make amends where needed, swallow your pride, man up and back up the talk with action...

its easy to start threads, post remarks, even reveal secrets online - but its all about being a gentleman, and doing something positive when its really time for action...

so, in peace, and in the hope of helping those folk (like some of us did for the lovely japanese folk) - I truly hope you DO SOMETHING...you can still use the routines, and the cover for this project, and this project only...you may not re-sell, re-distribute or otherwise show/reveal my work elsewhere, via any other means...

those routines have been published before, so under UK copyright/publishing law (different from the US ones) - i, and my work are properly protected and also internationally enforcable...

thanks, much love and goodnight...

and good luck with the project...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 7, 2011 07:22PM)
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On 2011-05-07 20:12, IAIN wrote:
And I suppose the bigger question is, if you don't get any contributions, is that people not being interested - or is it that they don't wish to work with you because of your behaviour?

you started this idea, this project - I hope you have the courage to see it through, make amends where needed, swallow your pride, man up and back up the talk with action...

its easy to start threads, post remarks, even reveal secrets online - but its all about being a gentleman, and doing something positive when its really time for action...

so, in peace, and in the hope of helping those folk (like some of us did for the lovely japanese folk) - I truly hope you DO SOMETHING...you can still use the routines, and the cover for this project, and this project only...you may not re-sell, re-distribute or otherwise show/reveal my work elsewhere, via any other means...

those routines have been published before, so under UK copyright/publishing law (different from the US ones) - i, and my work are properly protected and also internationally enforcable...

thanks, much love and goodnight...

and good luck with the project...
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It was all done but to use your words imploded. Case closed! Maybe those so concerned about those in japan can do something for the Americans? But they won't will they, because we don't matter? Big bad Americans. To use your words again people are people why should it matter where they come from? But it does, doesn't it?

As far as working with me, why should it matter so long as the people of the south benefit. Since at least one post in this thread refers to somebody not knowing about these tragedies till seeing them here, I'm comfortable in my actions. Thanks for nothing iain the people of the south thank you to.

Sickening!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 07:38PM)
Nothing to stop you ressurecting it though surely? it "imploded" over a scuffle on the forum - which has now been deleted...i guess theres two ways forward, you back out of it and look like you wanted a way out...or you start afresh and do something positive?

anyway - my last post on the subject...i think the next stage would be for someone to make this thread disappear (though screenshots have been taken by someone surely?) and you can forget you ever said anything...

but, if you are a genuine person, who genuinely wants to help a good cause - then ignore everyone else and drum up some trade...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 7, 2011 07:44PM)
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On 2011-05-07 20:38, IAIN wrote:
Nothing to stop you ressurecting it though surely?
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Actually the damage is done, and took to long to rectify. Your actions are proof of that when you went and gave away your donation to anybody without want or cause.

As far as your so called routines? I hadn't planed on using them anyway, as I found them juvenile and lacking imagination. So don't worry they were forgotten as soon as I read them. Give them away as they are worth the full price one will pay. NOTHING

You did however do a nice cover and I won't be a hypocrite like some, and deny that fact. But to draw so much attention to yourself when it's about others, just shows your true intentions.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 07:50PM)
Hahahaha what a magnificent lunatic you are...

why don't you list the reasons why you can't continue with the project..lets have some fun...
Message: Posted by: jdmagic357 (May 7, 2011 07:52PM)
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On 2011-05-07 20:50, IAIN wrote:
why don't you list the reasons why you can't continue with the project..lets have some fun...
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Lets not and say we did.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 07:54PM)
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On 2011-05-07 20:52, jdmagic357 wrote:
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On 2011-05-07 20:50, IAIN wrote:
why don't you list the reasons why you can't continue with the project..let's have some fun...
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Let's not and say we did.
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thank you for proving my point...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 7, 2011 08:00PM)
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/mentalhealth/Pages/Mentalhealthoverview.aspx
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (May 30, 2011 04:28PM)
Did you notice that the people from Tuscaloosa went to help the people in Joplin?

That is true Southern!

Over half of all the people killed in America by tornadoes this year were killed in Alabama last month.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (May 30, 2011 04:42PM)
Color me unsurprised (by the results of the original project, that is; I wasn't responding to Bob's post).