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Topic: An enviable tabletop Tip-Over-Chest
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 11, 2011 09:55PM)
Once upon a time two great magical thinkers Okito and Joe Berg, worked up an idea to eliminate most of the angle problems of a Tip-Over-Chest. Displaying the box empty was more deceptive with their version too.

George Ledo (the Cafť advice guy who often hangs out here) has built and outstanding example. He has just completed work based on their design of the Chest-- heís gone one better though. It has a lovely wood finish with brass fittings. It appears to be a fine piece of Victorian furniture-- a lovingly detailed living or dining room chest from the era.

Iíve requested that he post several detail photos as soon as the has the opportunity (heís also a theatrical set builder, so heís always busy.) Itís a collectorís joy and absolutely practical for the working proís needs.

His craftwork is perfection. The door closures are sure fire and inventive, and it is not only extremely smooth in operation, its locking device is pure simplicity in operation.

This chest is totally deceptive from even a few feet away. It also holds very large load-- enough for a thirty to forty minute show, yet is quite a manageable parlor sized effect.

My two-cents,
Walt
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Jun 12, 2011 07:17PM)
Walt

Was the Okito Berg version green and orange? I have something possibly similar and wondering if this is it.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jun 12, 2011 07:29PM)
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On 2011-06-12 20:17, jay leslie wrote:
Was the Okito Berg version green and orange? I have something possibly similar and wondering if this is it.
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Okito favored the green and orange color combination on several things, so that is certainly possible. Can you post a photo?

~michael
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 13, 2011 09:41AM)
George is going to post photos within the next few days, if his cats will allow him the time, and they get out of the darn chest.

Jay, if you have a few picture you can PM me, Iím sure I could tell from the variations right away.

I love Okito's work, but think his green/orange predilection seemed a disturbing precursor to Howard Johnson's color scheme...

Magically,
Walt
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jun 13, 2011 10:18AM)
That Tip Over Jay mentions is likely the one described in The Berg Book. It has side doors that open to screen the sides. When Theo Bamberg worked with Joe Berg, he was sometimes asked to repaint and decal items that had been sitting in the shop for a long time.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Jun 15, 2011 01:35PM)
Best pic I could load
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jun 15, 2011 06:20PM)
Thanks for posting the photo. Wish I could be of more help, though. That's a completely different animal you have there. It's not the Tip Over described in The Berg Book, but there are some similarities to a prop that I've seen on the Albo Okito DVDs... a livestock vanish that springs open (falls apart) while suspended. Post the photo at Thayer if you haven't already. Someone there may recognize it.

~michael
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Jun 15, 2011 07:11PM)
Thanks.
It's was handed down by Jim Swoger about 20 years ago. Yeah... I'll post, when time allows.
Right now I'm makin teak boat tables with inlays
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jun 15, 2011 10:51PM)
Well, shiver me timbers! :)
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Jun 16, 2011 10:35AM)
Here is my solution to the angle problem. the cart handle covers one side, and I stand blocking the other. that being said, I am really interested in the design in Jays picture. Has anyone tried to adopt this to a stage size illusion? I am trying to picture how the tip looks in conjunction with opening the side panels...
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 16, 2011 11:19AM)
Seeing the pictures, I personally think it unlikely that is an Okito/Berg or Okito/Redmond piece. I donít think it has the detail and quality of construction, and there is none of the typical Okito decoration.

I think it takes up a great deal of room opened (so might be clumsy as an illusion) and the load chamber if defined by the black in the panel is fairly small.

George did way he' get the pics up this week.

Magically,
Walt
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jun 16, 2011 11:34AM)
Nice looking prop you have there, Bill. I've seen the cart idea before, but with 2 screening sides instead of your single handle. Your idea makes more sense to me.

The Berg Book version has doors on the sides that open downward while the box is upright. Then the box tips forward. Those open doors are brought to a more conventional "open door" position in the process. At that point they act like wings to screen the sides and can even be wrapped a bit more to the rear for additional side angle coverage.

When the box is upright and the doors are open, I'd imagine black art would be needed to screen any view through those doors. Otherwise, one could wait until the box was tipped forward before opening those side doors. Pros and cons to both ways.

Jay's box appears to fall apart... something the usual tip over box doesn't do. He has mentioned that it is to be mounted on a table base/stand. This would allow it to operate like a piece I recall seeing that fell apart in a similar way to cause a vanish. That version was suspended, but they could both operate the same way. I suspect Jay's has a moveable load. Tip Overs typically work exactly the opposite.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Jun 16, 2011 01:07PM)
Ding Ding Ding
Give that man a cigar... or a giant clock.

On the table top tip over... What can't you make it the same as the double box stage model?
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 19, 2011 07:04PM)
Here's the link to George's photos of the box. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=421132&forum=26&3