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Topic: This Way Up from Paul Brook and Colin Mcleod
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jun 20, 2011 02:29PM)
Just got the latest newsletter from Paul Brook and saw that within the next couple of days a new limited edition book is coming up for pre-order which is a joint project between Mr Brook and Colin Mcleod.

I have no idea of anything else about it other than what I have just posted, but being from PB and CM I'm definitely interested, looking forward to learning more.

Anyway thought I'd get the ball rolling by starting a thread on it, Colin and Paul feel free to jump in anytime with further details!

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jun 21, 2011 02:13AM)
Looking forward to this one! Anything these guys release is always real world worker material.
Message: Posted by: Celloboy (Jun 21, 2011 06:27AM)
Just noticed that the details are up for Paul and Colin's new book. I am pretty interested for one. Looks cracking. Check it: http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 07:09AM)
Sounds great- to great. I can't see how you could divine one's thoughts without props or asking/writing NOTHING. That is impossible. $215 is a lot of money in today's economy to take a chance to supposedly learn how to read minds for REAL which we all know is impossible unless you are GOD. I understand Paul and Colin put out very nice work, but let's face it-the add states for Pauls contribution:
"You ask someone in the group to think of a memory. She can even change her mind and think of another memory if she so wishes. Without fishing, you instantly start to describe the emotions that the person is feeling and where those emotions are in her body. Then you begin to recall specific images of the memory she is just thinking about. Both participant and onlookers are amazed as you proceed to name the exact memory she is merely thinking of. The participant confirms the images you mentioned were exactly what she was thinking of and saw in her mind.

The process can then be repeated with the same person thinking of a different memory, or another person can have their mind read."

and Colins Stage contribution:
"Three people in the audience are asked to stand up at their seat. Each person is asked to think of something different. One person thinks of any location in the world, one thinks of any film, and another thinks of a time. Wihtout fishing you are instantly able to tell all three people what they are thinking of. Not only that, but you are able to go into intricate details you could only know if you were genuinely reading minds.

If that wasn't strong enough. Another three random people are asked to stand at their seats. A fourth randomly selected person joins you on stage. Just as before the three people in the audience are asked to think of a random piece of information. Without any coaching the audience member on stage is able to tell each person what they are thinking of, along with precise details that she feels she is making up right there on the spot."

If you could do these things by after reading a book describing the process and they state that it's a Simple method- well the book would be worth ALOT more than $215!

Any other thoughts? Again I respect both Paul and Colin's work, just a little hard to believe.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Thomas Cooper (Jun 21, 2011 08:00AM)
I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging. If I meet Colin maybe he will perform the effect on me myself, I doubt it, as it seems very much like a DR effect and that would reveal the method in all likelihood.

I've not doubt you are reading this Colin, and if you feel hurt by me doubting you then I'm sorry. But in my defence you are trying to sell a book which claims to produce real mind reading, I think I'd be an idiot if I wasn't so sceptical.

Tom
xx
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 21, 2011 08:04AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:00, Thomas Cooper wrote:
I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging. If I meet Colin maybe he will perform the effect on me myself, I doubt it, as it seems very much like a DR effect and that would reveal the method in all likelihood.

I've not doubt you are reading this Colin, and if you feel hurt by me doubting you then I'm sorry. But in my defence you are trying to sell a book which claims to produce real mind reading, I think I'd be an idiot if I wasn't so sceptical.

Tom
xx
[/quote]

... then again you don't trust much. Nothing new there.

Everything I have from Paul Brook is 100% (as Wayne Campbell would say) EXCELLENT ... PARTY TIME!! Great stuff. This should be as well.

John
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 08:13AM)
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 21, 2011 09:09AM)
[quote]I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging.[/quote]

True dat.
Message: Posted by: D Byrd (Jun 21, 2011 09:27AM)
I don't know either one of these chaps or their work, but the first effect sounds like something Kenton Knepper could do using his Completely Cold effect. http://www.wonderwizards.com/product_info.php?products_id=355&osCsid=6avkv9fsvrk3iqp9j1ksgf3h60

I would love to hear from someone who does purchase this as to the truth in the advertising.
Doug
Message: Posted by: Euan4 (Jun 21, 2011 09:37AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:00, Thomas Cooper wrote:
The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging.
[/quote]

I don't believe that his bookless test could be described as an instant stooge because there was still an effect for the person on stage. I know Colin well and think he is a genius and he was actually the reason I got into mentalism. Everything Colin does is gold, he is a very clever thinker! I trust this will be the exact same. :)

Euan
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 21, 2011 10:00AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:00, Thomas Cooper wrote:
I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging. If I meet Colin maybe he will perform the effect on me myself, I doubt it, as it seems very much like a DR effect and that would reveal the method in all likelihood.

I've not doubt you are reading this Colin, and if you feel hurt by me doubting you then I'm sorry. But in my defence you are trying to sell a book which claims to produce real mind reading, I think I'd be an idiot if I wasn't so sceptical.

Tom
xx
[/quote]

Thomas Cooper, please stop guessing, if you don't know how an effect is achieved then you cannot and should not criticise it on its method. I've said this already in a post you made criticizing 'Whisper'.

Thomas, it's a mentalism book, it doesn't state that this is real mind reading. No doubt there will be methods and techniques there that will create the illusion of what is outlined in the advertising blurb.

Forgive me but I very rarely post anything negative on this forum, I see good in everyone, but Thomas (I know that's just your Forum name) you seem to be jumping to criticize everything these days. Your are criticizing this book before it's even been released for goodness sake. You are criticising 'Whisper' for being DR when you don't even know the method. Calm down dude, take a chill pill.

Love and Peace to one and all, god knows I love this green place, but sometimes...

Derek
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 10:23AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 10:37, Euan4 wrote:
[/quote]

I don't believe that his bookless test could be described as an instant stooge because there was still an effect for the person on stage. I know Colin well and think he is a genius and he was actually the reason I got into mentalism. Everything Colin does is gold, he is a very clever thinker! I trust this will be the exact same. :)

Euan
[/quote]

Again- not to be rude Euan- but real mind reading does not exist. Without doing ANYTHING- you CANNOT read someones thoughts. It doesn't matter how smart you are- not possible.

RNK
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 10:29AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 11:00, kinesis wrote:
[/quote]

Thomas Cooper, please stop guessing, if you don't know how an effect is achieved then you cannot and should not criticise it on its method. I've said this already in a post you made criticizing 'Whisper'.

Thomas, it's a mentalism book, it doesn't state that this is real mind reading. No doubt there will be methods and techniques there that will create the illusion of what is outlined in the advertising blurb.

Forgive me but I very rarely post anything negative on this forum, I see good in everyone, but Thomas (I know that's just your Forum name) you seem to be jumping to criticize everything these days. Your are criticizing this book before it's even been released for goodness sake. You are criticising 'Whisper' for being DR when you don't even know the method. Calm down dude, take a chill pill.

Love and Peace to one and all, god knows I love this green place, but sometimes...

Derek
[/quote]

Then in their advertising- they should say that and not state- No fishing, no stooges, no. no. no. no. If there are techniques and a method in which to make it work, SOMETHING has to be said or done and they should state that in thier ad- especially if you are charging $215! I am not trying to be rude Derek- I also think these two have some great work out there, but a lot of these ads are so misleading- then when you get the product- you are disappointed and in this case- out $215! Not Cool!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Euan4 (Jun 21, 2011 10:32AM)
[/quote]

Again- not to be rude Euan- but real mind reading does not exist. Without doing ANYTHING- you CANNOT read someones thoughts. It doesn't matter how smart you are- not possible.

RNK
[/quote]

Yeah I understand that real mind reading does not exist, I was simply stating that I don't agree that his bookless test was an instant stooge. It will have a method or technique of some form but like I said Colin is a clever thinker as is Paul Brooks so I expect this to be worth the price. My post was more about how this book will no doubt be a good book because I like Colins thinking! I know that buying this book won't give me the ability to really read minds, but it will give me a new method or technique that will create the illusion that I can, which is the case with every Mentalism book/dvd. Don't worry your post didn't sound rude! :)

Euan

Euan
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 11:03AM)
Thanks Euan- it's never my intenton to be rude. I'm just a little disappointed with the ad. As we ALL know-there has to be SOMETHING that is done to get the information. But you are right about these guys being clever thinkers.

Best,
RNK
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 21, 2011 11:08AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob
[/quote]

In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 21, 2011 11:10AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 11:23, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 10:37, Euan4 wrote:
[/quote]

I don't believe that his bookless test could be described as an instant stooge because there was still an effect for the person on stage. I know Colin well and think he is a genius and he was actually the reason I got into mentalism. Everything Colin does is gold, he is a very clever thinker! I trust this will be the exact same. :)

Euan
[/quote]

>>>> but real mind reading does not exist.

RNK
[/quote]

RNK - Prove your assertions. (not to be rude or anything)
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 21, 2011 11:12AM)
Euan said: [quote]I don't believe that his bookless test could be described as an instant stooge because there was still an effect for the person on stage. I know Colin well and think he is a genius and he was actually the reason I got into mentalism. Everything Colin does is gold, he is a very clever thinker! I trust this will be the exact same.[/quote]

Still an instant stooge. The person on stage is aware of the 'dual reality' of the effect and it is hoped that they play along and the mini effect is a sweetner for them. I realise it is possible to quibble about the grey area between instant stooging and dual reality - but for me the "dualness" of a dual reality effect needs to be invisible to BOTH the participant and the wider audience. That said, with better scripting the effect can quickly be transformed into something with is 'true' dual reality - but that is not how it ships.

Having said that, I quite like some of Colin's work and it is worth checking out.
Message: Posted by: r1z08 (Jun 21, 2011 11:15AM)
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob
Message: Posted by: caycemindreader (Jun 21, 2011 11:33AM)
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 21, 2011 11:56AM)
Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality :) . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.

This Way Up. Personally, it's my most valued routine/method/principle. Obviously there is 'something', but it's that 'something' where I believe the value lies. This is the sort of routine I truly believe when you understand it, you will start using it right away after tailoring the routine to suit your wants and needs. Exciting!

You're investing in a method and routine that has been developed to a professional standard. If you don't perform in front of audiences?... do you know what, I believe you will still get a lot from the book. It is a real world routine. It is completely versatile and you will find the perfect way to utilise it.

At the end of the day, I don't see the point in people getting upset over what is essentially magic tricks/mentalism routines. I do feel my thinking alone on this principle warrants the price tag never mind the addition of Paul's thinking on top of that! If you don't think it is worth the price... don't buy it! That is ok! You don't need to own ever single method!! Who wants us all to be performing the same stuff anyway?

I have absolute respect for all of you as thinkers, performers and friends, so at the very least it should get your creative juices flowing and I hope it encourages you to create a method 100 times better than anything I could come up with! Rock and roll!!

Much love!
Col.
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jun 21, 2011 11:58AM)
This is a tempting purchase, but for some reason I am just not convinced.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 21, 2011 11:59AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C
[/quote]

If they explained the method in the ad, what would be the point of buying the book?
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 21, 2011 12:00PM)
[quote]
Still an instant stooge. The person on stage is aware of the 'dual reality' of the effect and it is hoped that they play along and the mini effect is a sweetner for them.
[/quote]

Nope. From where the on-stage spectator is standing they see you displaying certain open body language, leading them to think that the audience at large is experiencing the same effect as they are.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 21, 2011 12:06PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C
[/quote]

Clearly this book is not for you. Simply don't purchase it and you will be out nothing. Colin's DVD series was spectacular. I know less about Paul but based on other comments I believe this is something that appears to have merit. I have ordered a copy. I see nothing wrong with limiting the number of books and putting a cost on the book to limit it to serious performers and hobbyist.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 12:09PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:15, r1z08 wrote:
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob
[/quote]

They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 12:11PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:08, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob
[/quote]

In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John
[/quote]

Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


RNK
Message: Posted by: Amirá (Jun 21, 2011 12:18PM)
Sounds great. The effect in there isn't impossible as a few members told and while I was reading the description I came up with a solution.

Good drama in the effect, I like it !

Congratulations Paul and Colin. Sounds like a real winner concept.
Message: Posted by: caycemindreader (Jun 21, 2011 12:20PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:06, brehaut wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C
[/quote]

Clearly this book is not for you. Simply don't purchase it and you will be out nothing.
[/quote]

Apologies if my really obvious sarcasm wasn't really obvious enough. C
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:11, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:08, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob
[/quote]

In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John
[/quote]

Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


RNK
[/quote]

Please let me correct my grammer- "somethings that HAVE to be done"
Thank You

Best,
RNK
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 21, 2011 12:30PM)
[quote]Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.[/quote]
Its only dual reality if you include effects where the dual nature of the effect is blatantly obvious to the participant. For me, that is instant stooging - but I agree that it could be considered imperfect dual reality. Whatever.

On the subject of 'This Way Up' good luck to you both. The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. Unlike Euan, I don't think any sensible person would say that 'everything' any performer does is gold... that's not how talent gets spread about. Having said that, Colin and Paul are well above average in terms of the matieral they put out and I doubt they would seek to tarnish their reputations by releasing something sub-standard at this price. That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questionign doesn't surprise me and I asume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 21, 2011 01:22PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:30, Davit Sicseek wrote:
[quote]Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.[/quote]
Its only dual reality if you include effects where the dual nature of the effect is blatantly obvious to the participant. For me, that is instant stooging - but I agree that it could be considered imperfect dual reality. Whatever.

On the subject of 'This Way Up' good luck to you both. The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. Unlike Euan, I don't think any sensible person would say that 'everything' any performer does is gold... that's not how talent gets spread about. Having said that, Colin and Paul are well above average in terms of the matieral they put out and I doubt they would seek to tarnish their reputations by releasing something sub-standard at this price. That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questionign doesn't surprise me and I asume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.
[/quote]

Very nicely put!

RNK
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 21, 2011 01:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:11, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:08, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob
[/quote]

In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John
[/quote]

Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


RNK
[/quote]

Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

Your friend

John
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 21, 2011 01:46PM)
If I can't really read minds... I really make it look like I can!

;)
Message: Posted by: Lost in Thought (Jun 21, 2011 01:49PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:30, Davit Sicseek wrote:

The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. ... That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questioning doesn't surprise me and I assume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.
[/quote]

This is the sensible and level-headed logic which should be applied to all similar situations - responding with anger at being "deceived" or whatever is simply not helpful, useful or relevant.

Both Colin and Paul have excellent reputations. Whether you consider them to be good enough to gamble this much money on is up to you.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 21, 2011 02:06PM)
There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jun 21, 2011 02:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 15:06, brehaut wrote:
There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?
[/quote]

Amen to that!
:applause:

Personally I believe Paul and Colin would never risk their reputation by putting out garbage!
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jun 21, 2011 02:22PM)
Good to come online and see that 'This Way Up' now has a product page and is available for pre-order... sounds interesting, well my orders in.
Message: Posted by: Machina (Jun 21, 2011 02:23PM)
I received the email and I read the copy a few times.
I sweat a little and clickedvthe buy button.
Why? I believe it's worth it. Every other effect you
buy has a method. Even if it was real mind reading
there would also be a method.

If you want powerful mind reading material,
purchase from writers who produce brilliant products.
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 21, 2011 02:42PM)
[quote]There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?[/quote]

I'm afraid I have a lot to disagree with here - or at least things you are missing.

You are correct that certain people are upset because they can't obtain the secret for oe reason or another. But there are other valid reasons raise a voice of dissapproval. The way that some products are marketed means that it is very difficult for someone to complain about what they have recieved not to mention difficult to complain in public. When an advert contains no significant information for the product to live up to - how can you complain that it is not as described? Similarly, if you simply do not feel that the product was value for money, workable or otherwise didn't live up to expectations created by the marketing process - you are in the position of complaining about a product that is produced by creator with a reputations and/or endorsements by the creators friends who also have reputations. In short, the onus of responsibility for such a product producing the results expected is almost entirely transferred to the purchaser - who purchases blind!

This is the exact same trick that the self help industry uses - gurus position themselves as conduits of information. They have amazing endorsements from others in the industry that also publish, as well as actual customers - but should the product not deliver - that is the fault of the buyer. With high cost mentalism - this problem is further compounded by the high levels of expectation that any legitimate buyer holds. They will be desperate to find use and value in their purchase for several hundred dollars. There are no doubt high cost products that in every sensible measure deliver less value to the consumer than products costing less than $20.

This type of marketing actually distorts the market to the detriment of the buyer. By reducing the information available to the purchaser before purchase - whether than be through tangiable descriptions, video demos and transparent review processes the buyer has inreasingly imperfect information to inform their buying decisions. Similarly, the pressures that cartel marking exert on the community, as well increased willingness to find satisfaction from the buyers as mentioned above reduces the level of objective information that seeps back to the community post-purchase.

The decision to purchase is being reduced to one of reputation alone. You aren't purchasing an effect - you are purchasing a bit of creator X's time. I struggle to think of a creator who has put out more than a few products who hasn't got a dud one. This is a problem. - and what I've described here is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think its healthy for the art and will continue to raise concerns about it when appropriate.
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 21, 2011 02:55PM)
Congratulations Paul and Colin. I'm sure it will be excellent. I look forward to glowing reviews.

Not connected with the book: It suprises me how certain people on this forum are automatically down on effects which use DR, P**-S*** or I****** S****es.

You don't like DR because you worry it will expose the method when spectators talk amongst each other?
You don't like P**-S*** or I****** S****es because you think that's cheating somehow?

Well you must have very one-dimensional shows which look a lot like magic, but then again, I suppose if you only ever perform for your school-friends, teachers and parents or your mates down the pub and don't actually have a s***, that doesn't really matter to you.

Reg

p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 21, 2011 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 15:55, quicknotist wrote:
p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.
[/quote]

The cartel in action ;)

I hope you don't think I'm anti DR. (True) DR without preshow is one of my favourite things.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jun 21, 2011 03:07PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 15:42, Davit Sicseek wrote:

if you simply do not feel that the product was value for money, workable or otherwise didn't live up to expectations created by the marketing process - you are in the position of complaining about a product that is produced by creator with a reputations and/or endorsements by the creators friends who also have reputations. In short, the onus of responsibility for such a product producing the results expected is almost entirely transferred to the purchaser - who purchases blind!
[/quote]
Let's not forget about having to deal with sycophants who see a negative comment as their cue to come rushing to a creator's defense in a sad attempt to ingratiate themselves.
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 21, 2011 03:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 16:03, Davit Sicseek wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 15:55, quicknotist wrote:
p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.
[/quote]

The cartel in action ;)

[/quote]

I wish...
Message: Posted by: Mr Timothy Gray (Jun 21, 2011 03:19PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 15:06, brehaut wrote:
There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?
[/quote]

I think you've -- slightly -- hit the nail on the head. No matter what the product, being human, I think a lot of us instinctively want the NEXT BIG THING -- whether it suits our performance or not. Perhaps, we think to ourselves, there might be that small kernel of info stored inside that will rocket us to where we hope to be. Sadly, that's hardly ever the truth -- but -- if it was worth it to the creator, and it's worth it to the actual purchaser, then the opinion of the nay-sayer who doesn't own the product isn't worth...well...a penny.

It's one of the hard facts of magic -- someone is always going to have something better and more mind-baffling than you (and his publicity is also going to have that shade of shine brighter than yours). But complaining about the price and what it might be, rather than solely focusing on your own performance, will often lead to undue distress and, most importantly, failure.
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jun 21, 2011 03:44PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 09:00, Thomas Cooper wrote:
I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging. If I meet Colin maybe he will perform the effect on me myself, I doubt it, as it seems very much like a DR effect and that would reveal the method in all likelihood.

I've not doubt you are reading this Colin, and if you feel hurt by me doubting you then I'm sorry. But in my defence you are trying to sell a book which claims to produce real mind reading, I think I'd be an idiot if I wasn't so sceptical.

Tom
xx
[/quote]

I agree. The ad turned me off. What isn't said is way too big here. Unless.. they did find a way to read minds, and in that case kudos guys.

Nimrod , Israel
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jun 21, 2011 03:49PM)
And the price is totally reasonable. I would pay 10 times more if it goes into my show.
Message: Posted by: caycemindreader (Jun 21, 2011 04:11PM)
I agree that a high ticket price item like this should be bought in a different way to the latest 10$ curio ebook - it shouldn't be an impulse purchase, that's probably the point of the high price. If I were planning on getting this (and I'm not in case my partner is reading) and I had any questions or doubts about it, I think I would probably just send Colin Mcleod or Paul Brooks an email and buy or not on the basis of that. £200 is fair money if something goes in my set, but I want to be sure it will be going in before I spend, and I would never trust an advert to inform me on that front. Remember when we used to cruise into Davenports, bum around and ask what's new and what's worth it? C
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 21, 2011 04:38PM)
Totally agree dudes! This is an investment. The problem with marketing is revealing enough about the routine so you understand what is going to be getting performed, but holding enough back so it's not so transparent what it actually is you're doing! It's a difficult line to tread (I find anyway!), but as ever, always happy to answer any questions I can! So private message me with thoughts or concerns.

Always happy to help!

Much love!

Col.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 21, 2011 04:43PM)
Is dual reality that thing where you are born with both sets of genitalia?
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 21, 2011 04:58PM)
Nah, it's that drug that let's you experience it from on top and on bottom at the same time.
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Jun 21, 2011 05:10PM)
I thought it was when you had more than one home.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 21, 2011 06:06PM)
Dual reality is when you believe your own hype...
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 21, 2011 06:52PM)
Frankly, as soon as I saw the price tag on this, my instant thought was Whisper by Ken Dyne. Virtually the same price, pre-ordered at a similar limited edition amount. I'm beginning to wonder if this is becoming a trend. It's going to be a d*** expensive one if it catches on. ;)

Joking aside, the next thing I thought was, "Wow this sounds like gold." Two highly reputable creators creating a thought reading technique that doesn't involve stooges, writing, preshow, etc.

Best of luck chaps, when it's released I may buy it. :)
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 21, 2011 07:00PM)
No. That's a very special kind of disappearing act. One where the performer disappears up himself.

[quote]
On 2011-06-21 19:06, mindpunisher wrote:
Dual reality is when you believe your own hype...
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 21, 2011 07:20PM)
Dual reality is a new slang term for making a number 2.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 21, 2011 07:21PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 20:20, cpbartak wrote:
Dual reality is a new slang term for making a number 2.
[/quote]

LOL.. Sadly I have to admit it is becoming true.
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Jun 21, 2011 08:19PM)
I am glad this book cost $215 so all these yahoos will not be able to buy it. If you do not know the work of Paul and Colin then don't even try to post in this thread.

A Doctor, lawyer, consultant or even the computer Geek Squad charges $200.00 an hour for their professional consulations service knowledge.

You want professional work here you will have it. You want a cheap trick go to penguin magic.

Think about it.
Message: Posted by: r1z08 (Jun 21, 2011 08:34PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:09, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:15, r1z08 wrote:
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob
[/quote]

They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!
[/quote]

The ad simply explains what it is not, but are you expecting them to tell you the method in the ad? Also, all because you don't know another way to achieve the desired outcome without the use of the above methods doesn't mean that this is the real deal. Rick Maue released his brilliant "Imagine" routine a few years ago and it doesn't rely on any of the above methods either. It's also impromptu and looks very real when presented properly.

Just keep in mind that the limits of our understanding is not the limit of all there is to understand.

-rob
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 21, 2011 09:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 21:19, Joaquin wrote:
I am glad this book cost $215 so all these yahoos will not be able to buy it. If you do not know the work of Paul and Colin then don't even try to post in this thread.

A Doctor, lawyer, consultant or even the computer Geek Squad charges $200.00 an hour for their professional consulations service knowledge.

You want professional work here you will have it. You want a cheap trick go to penguin magic.

Think about it.
[/quote]

Joaquin is right. What other art or profession could one get someone near the top of their profession to give out their "secret" for $200? It costs a few thousand to play in a pro am golf tournament with a pro for one day.$200 will buy you 1\10 of an ounce of gold. This sounds like a bargin when put in prospective
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jun 21, 2011 09:38PM)
Here is the sad catch...If you buy an effect,no refunds ! (I know you are paying for the secret!)
You paid for an effect and you get what it is.
If there was a guarantee , everyone one would be able to make a better choice on what to get.
I have boxes of worthless junk,and DVD crap , that adds up to what could have bought several good effects!
I do not make reference to this effect,because I do not know !
I would feel better if creators would be willing to at least make some verbal reply on how much this will be worth to you ,and a touch of honesty !
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Jun 21, 2011 09:44PM)
I just don't understand all the carping. Either you buy it or you don't. Everybody here realizes, I hope, that you're buying a TRICK. It may be a very, very good one, but it's a trick. The fact that you can't figure out the M.O. from the ad doesn't mean the the sellers are trying to get you to believe that it's real mind reading.

The job of the seller is to advertise it as honestly, accurately (and enticingly) as possible. Then you, the purchaser, decide if you think it's a worthwhile investment for your show.

The way I see it, an excellent performer is offering one of his prized routines from his working repertoire for a rather modest sum. It's up to you to decide-buy it or don't. But no whining, please.

Bob
(I did.)
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 21, 2011 10:18PM)
What I find particulary amusing in all these threads is where someone says $200 X 150 copies....... Why is anyone concerned how much the creator makes total?? When someone points that out it sure seems like jealousy. The only issue is whether the purchaser wants to spend his or her $200
Message: Posted by: Anansi (Jun 21, 2011 11:34PM)
I would like to think that the folk who buy this keep it to themselves. I have several items that I purchased which cost me a fair amount of moola and some that did not, they are an investment (like Effort Effect!) and I do not see the currency in chatting about those items within the community (if that is what bevenz7 is referring to). Maybe he is suggesting that a slew of performers (200) will be using it and then others will be able to work out the method.

The ad states that it is a 're-invention' of a classic method, I think that's enough to indicate to me that it's some off-kilter thinking and that is what you are paying for.

Like the man said: 'Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato'
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 22, 2011 12:04AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 13:09, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-21 12:15, r1z08 wrote:
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob
[/quote]

They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!
[/quote]

Hi RNK,

There are a numerous effects that do not use any of those techniques: Devin Knight's "Four Told," Joshua Quinn's "Thought Chunnel," and Outlaw Effects' "Kioku" are just the first few that come to mind. Listing such details of what an effect "does not" use seems to be a fairly common advertising technique and I find such information quite useful when making a purchase. For example, I do not like to do pre-show, nor do I care for instant stooging, so I would very likely be uninterested in an effect that used either. Knowing that, in advance, is very helpful to me.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jun 22, 2011 12:56AM)
For me, 2-3 recommendations from WORKING mentalists would do it. Banachek, Mcambrige, Manor, Lustig, Suchard, Goldenberg etc. Those who work 100 shows a year for big audiences (300 people and up). Send them a free copy. Believe me, if the effect does what you claim it does it would go straight into their shows and you'll get your recommendations. You'll sell those babies in no time.
I'll be happy to review it too. And if I use it you'll even get my money.

Nimrod , Israel
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 22, 2011 02:03AM)
I know both Colin and Paul and I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done here. I wish, though, that this topic was in "Inner Thoughts". (That pesky Google thing, you know.)

Best-

Bob
Message: Posted by: Lior (Jun 22, 2011 03:05AM)
I trust Colin
If he thinks that he has to charge a lot for the book then it is good
He didn't send it to me yet but I will I update you all

Lior
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (Jun 22, 2011 03:24AM)
I too look forward to hearing from those who purchase this. I have some of both Colin and Paul's work, and I can't think of anything I have purchased from them that I didn't like. And to be fair, I think the price is well and truly justified if it is as powerful as the ad states; and knowing the integrity of these two I'm sure it is. Also, I'm sure the sale of 200 books wouldn't even cover the cost of a 12 month supply of hair gel for Col - so I doubt they're in this to become millionaires.

Keep on keepin' on.

:)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2011 03:27AM)
[quote]I'm sure the sale of 200 books wouldn't even cover the cost of a 12 month supply of hair gel for Col -
[/quote]
Hahah too funny.
Message: Posted by: jakubr (Jun 22, 2011 03:49AM)
I think, those guys are very talented and creative. So I wouldn't be very worried buying it, although it would be useful to know a bit more.
Also waiting for some reviews.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 22, 2011 03:54AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 04:05, Lior wrote:
I trust Colin
If he thinks that he has to charge a lot for the book then it is good
He didn't send it to me yet but I will I update you all

Lior
[/quote]


Lior, I'm hurt, I thought you trusted me too?

It's because we have rival 'Knight's Tour' effects on the market isn't it. Look Lior, we can't let this little jet setting horsey get between us. We mustn't live, one on the white squares, one on the black, but learn to embrace both square colours for the queens that we are!

Something special happened here today, in this post.

I love ya man!!!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 22, 2011 04:07AM)
OK, now to the topic at hand.

Of course, there is some 'give' in the effect. But you have to buy the book to know what that is. Is it as clean as described. Yes it is. Will we tell you the method in the advertising, no we will not.

Regarding the price. This is an effect that has always been in my close-up sets. Other things have come and gone, but this has always remained over the years. It is a staple in my close-up work, and will remain to be for years to come. The reason it has such longevity is because it gets some of the strongest reactions that I have ever seen for ANY material. When you consider that this effect plays as described in the ad copy, and that is how all members of the group perceive it (that's right the method does not rely on DR) why wouldn't they react that way? Is such a strong reaction worth the full price of the book, you bet it is. Yet I only ask for half of that price. Colin asks for the other half, because what he has created with the method is an amazing performance piece that is for stage, what my version is for close-up.

Regarding reviews, there are already some reviews of the material on the website http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm at the bottom of the page. We have a few more professional reviews coming soon, possibly in the new week. Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.

I hope that helps to clear a few things up?

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2011 04:40AM)
240-ish pages on a close-up and stage effect sounds awesome.

I'm going to order this on July 1st, and I'll get back to you guys on it.

I have no doubt that this will be legit.

I can't see these guys being in on it for the quick buck.

Happy Magi...mentalism.
Message: Posted by: The Paranormalist (Jun 22, 2011 05:38AM)
I'll start off by saying I've placed my order.

Like many others on this forum who has other material written by Colin and Paul, both of them make a real contribution to our art as they are both full time working professionals in this business.

I don't believe either of them would risk their reputation to make a fast buck, all their previous material speaks for itself.

Of course it's not real mind reading but the questions I asked myself before I placed the order was, do I want to create this type of illusion in the minds of members of my audience whatever the method? And will I use it? The answer to both questions was YES.
If of course I had no intention of using it, just buying to find out the secret and then storing it away, it wouldn't be worth the paper it is written on.

I'm personally glad Paul placed the selling bullet points in the advert stating what is not used, because I wouldn't particularly want to use pre-show or have anything written down during the demonstration. Pre-show speaks for itself and having anything written down slows a demonstration up.

As to the cost and value, only you know how much you earn when you go out to entertain, I can say little else about that.

I personally place great value on the demonstrations I do in my close-up and cabaret performances, so much so I too have written a book that has yet to be published, and the question I have to ask is what price do I wish to put on it? And so would anyone else if they are considering on revealing the secrets of their art that has and is making them a living. Another question is do I want to create clone copies of myself, or those anyone? But apart from the question on cloning, how much would you sell yourself for? But I'm digressing.

All these questions!

Franklin
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 22, 2011 05:39AM)
Wow, posts just went down to 83 from 90. Does that mean a troll has been killed?
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 22, 2011 05:42AM)
Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?


For all you sock puppets out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
Message: Posted by: Mark Elsdon (Jun 22, 2011 05:58AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 05:07, Paul Brook wrote:
OK, now to the topic at hand.

Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.

[/quote]

But I've seen what you can do with 'magic beans' when you tap them with your 'magic wand'! I think it would be well worth the money ;-)

ME
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 22, 2011 06:02AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?
[/quote]

He shouldn't have called me old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djj7jW6ny2M
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jun 22, 2011 06:49AM)
Im betting a video clip of a performance would shut a lot of people up :)
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 22, 2011 06:57AM)
Looch... Probably. But people would watch it, try to work it out and not buy it...

... I'm too smart for that ;-) .

I'm not saying it's the most fooling routine, it's not the sort of thing you do on Penn and Teller for example, but it's reliable and creates the desired effect.

If that's the effect you desire, it's for you!
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jun 22, 2011 07:14AM)
I don't think its about "fooling" anyone mate or being "smart" Im thinking in terms of generating as much interest and sales for your project, A clip of it being used...maybe even just reactions from participants would be good! In hindsight I wish I had had a clip for when AREA was released.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 22, 2011 07:29AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 05:07, Paul Brook wrote:
OK, now to the topic at hand.

Of course, there is some 'give' in the effect. But you have to buy the book to know what that is. Is it as clean as described. Yes it is. Will we tell you the method in the advertising, no we will not.

Regarding the price. This is an effect that has always been in my close-up sets. Other things have come and gone, but this has always remained over the years. It is a staple in my close-up work, and will remain to be for years to come. The reason it has such longevity is because it gets some of the strongest reactions that I have ever seen for ANY material. When you consider that this effect plays as described in the ad copy, and that is how all members of the group perceive it (that's right the method does not rely on DR) why wouldn't they react that way? Is such a strong reaction worth the full price of the book, you bet it is. Yet I only ask for half of that price. Colin asks for the other half, because what he has created with the method is an amazing performance piece that is for stage, what my version is for close-up.

Regarding reviews, there are already some reviews of the material on the website http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm at the bottom of the page. We have a few more professional reviews coming soon, possibly in the new week. Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.

I hope that helps to clear a few things up?

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Well said---my order is already in
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 22, 2011 07:41AM)
[/quote]

Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

Your friend

John
[/quote]

My Friend John! Very inspiring post as I am a firm believer myself. Though, with that said my brother, I will gaurantee you that they cannot read minds. OK- do I have proof- no. Though, if they could- they probably be world known at this point and it would be DOCUMENTED- just as the people you mentioned in your post are- If you want to spend $215 and think you are going to be taught how to read minds without ANY moves and aids- then go for it brother. To each his own. My whole thing with this book is the advertising- it is misleading. Again- Colin and Paul- I truly respect both of your work and am grateful that you are releasing it to the community, but- (the big but! LOL) to say that NOTHING is written or done and you can divine one's thoughts- not true. Once you get the book John, MAYBE you can prove me wrong!

Your Friend- RNK
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jun 22, 2011 07:48AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 07:57, Colin wrote:
Looch... Probably. But people would watch it, try to work it out and not buy it...
[/quote]
Many will try to work it out. Some will succeed but, if the material is clever enough to be worth its money, I reckon most people WON'T and this thread may just vanish in a puff of smoke (a bonus effect).

I have nothing bad to say about either Mr. McLeod or Mr. Brook...yet. ;) I just hope Kennedy isn't being a bad influence on them. :P I posted a rave review for "Opening Minds" when it was released and I think Paul Brook's books, such as "The Gift" and "On Mephisto's Shoulder" are well worth their price. The $215 question is: "Is 'This Way Up' worth three and a half times the price of 'On Mephisto's Shoulder'?"

Speaking of working things out, I bought "On Mephisto's Shoulder" mainly for Paul's "Serial, Killer!" effect AFTER HAVING WATCHED THE VIDEO DEMO and being baffled. In other words, THE VIDEO SOLD ME. As soon as I hit the "confirm purchase" button, however, a method dawned on me and I feared I had just tossed my money out the window. When the book arrived, I was relieved to find that a different method was used. Maybe one day I'll share my solution. I'm thinking of giving it the catchy name "Not Paul Brook's 'Serial, Killer!'."
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 22, 2011 07:51AM)
They are not claiming to be able to read minds. They are claiming to demonstrate an effect to an audience that allows you to reveal some specific information.

And obviously, if they could really read minds, they wouldn't be in mentalism, and they wouldn't be selling their secrets for $215.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Lior (Jun 22, 2011 07:52AM)
Now I trust Paul as well !

Lior
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 22, 2011 07:52AM)
A lot of great post here- just wanted to address a few things:

1. Steve- No Cueing- with the effects you mentioned- you are cueing the spectator to do something- either by- well I will not expose those things, those of you who have the effects mentioned in Steve's post know what they are.

2. You are all right when you say that everybody wants the "NEXT BIG THING" and a lot are jealous because they my not be able to afford it, so therefore post negative things-

again- I am just disappointed in the MARKETING aspect of the trick that is all. Sure- it's still probably going to be ground breaking and great material from Colin and Paul, though it's not going to teach you how to read minds without doing anything to get the end result.
RNK
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 22, 2011 09:51AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 08:41, RNK wrote:
[/quote]

Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

Your friend

John
[/quote]

My Friend John! Very inspiring post as I am a firm believer myself. Though, with that said my brother, I will gaurantee you that they cannot read minds. OK- do I have proof- no. Though, if they could- they probably be world known at this point and it would be DOCUMENTED- just as the people you mentioned in your post are- If you want to spend $215 and think you are going to be taught how to read minds without ANY moves and aids- then go for it brother. To each his own. My whole thing with this book is the advertising- it is misleading. Again- Colin and Paul- I truly respect both of your work and am grateful that you are releasing it to the community, but- (the big but! LOL) to say that NOTHING is written or done and you can divine one's thoughts- not true. Once you get the book John, MAYBE you can prove me wrong!

Your Friend- RNK
[/quote]

So be it friend. Keep up the good work! I prefer the little stuff from Mr Brook like the lock routine, the card where you can reveal the name the spec thinks of and especially, one of my all time favorite routines Juxtapose. I think I've spent over $215 for this stuff! Worth it? Not Yes but HECK YES!!

Looking forward to hearing about this new UPLIFTING book Paul put out.

John
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 22, 2011 10:05AM)
Colin,

It sounds like you give your helper an awful lot of power in your routine to read minds just as well as you can. You don't feel like this detracts from the audience's perception of your "special" gift?

Chris
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 22, 2011 10:08AM)
[/quote]

So be it friend. Keep up the good work! I prefer the little stuff from Mr Brook like the lock routine, the card where you can reveal the name the spec thinks of and especially, one of my all time favorite routines Juxtapose. I think I've spent over $215 for this stuff! Worth it? Not Yes but HECK YES!!

Looking forward to hearing about this new UPLIFTING book Paul put out.

John
[/quote]

Thank You for the insight- I will check these out from Paul.

RNK
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 22, 2011 10:13AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 11:05, cpbartak wrote:
Colin,

It sounds like you give your helper an awful lot of power in your routine to read minds just as well as you can. You don't feel like this detracts from the audience's perception of your "special" gift?

Chris
[/quote]

But don't we want to give the power to the spec. We have so much power it makes sense to give them the opportunity to see what it feels like. This is a great thing and always something to seek while performing mentalism.

John
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 22, 2011 10:15AM)
Chris I do agree with what you're saying. But when you see how I do it, you'll understand you're still in control. You're seen to facilitate the mind reading rather than let them just be able to do it.

... I've thought about this in way too much detail :) .

Col
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 22, 2011 10:16AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 07:02, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?
[/quote]

He shouldn't have called me old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djj7jW6ny2M
[/quote]

Arnold stole my pecs!

J
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 22, 2011 10:36AM)
Hi All,

Due to numerous emails and PM's asking the same sorts of questions, the ad copy has had more added to it to help clarify a few things. People have been asking about secret cueing such as in Colin's 'Bookless Test' and some of the ideas that I have released in 'The Book Of Lies'. In response to this here is what has been added:



"Also, there is no cueing as in some of Paul & Colin's routines using dual reality where one spectator sees something that everyone else doesn't. This is not the case here! Everyone is aware of everything that is going on and the process is all done openly."



I hope that helps answer some queries that have been made.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: OTTOEMEZZO (Jun 22, 2011 11:10AM)
The first effect sounds like something I created a couple years ago and am about to release. It might not be, of course, the same methodology, but all of the conditions are present in my effect as well. The second effect seems completely baffling and is impossible with my method. The method in my effect is also not new, but something I've improved upon.
Message: Posted by: r1z08 (Jun 22, 2011 01:13PM)
I'm a big fan of both Mr.Brook's and Mr.McLeod's thinking so this was a no-brainer for me.
I, for one, am excited to see what these two evil geniuses have come up with.

-rob
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 22, 2011 01:20PM)
I think what you are seeing are that people (like myself) are purchasing the effect based upon Mr. Brooks and Mr. Mcleod's reputation more so than the advertising.
Message: Posted by: docsteve (Jun 22, 2011 01:47PM)
Well I've pre ordered this because 1) mccleod's DVD contained more stuff I've nicked since the release of "Educating Archer" and 2) brooks stuff has always resonated with me, and been worth the admission fee.
The third reason is to add up all the 20-50 dollar 5h1t you've bought this year; good lord! "Bending the real"??? Now there's a waste of cash, not to mention the 2 hours I'll never get back from watching it....
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2011 02:25PM)
Random question for Paul, maybe cause I"m tired...and just woke up.

But how much time does this usually take up in your act?
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 22, 2011 03:51PM)
My act, the full routine... 15 to 18 minutes!

Col
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 22, 2011 03:56PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 14:47, docsteve wrote:
The third reason is to add up all the 20-50 dollar 5h1t you've bought this year; good lord!
[/quote]

This is a very, very good point. I did it once and almost cried (well I didn't really almost cry, but you get my drift).
Message: Posted by: edh (Jun 22, 2011 04:02PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 07:57, Colin wrote:
Looch... Probably. But people would watch it, try to work it out and not buy it...

... I'm too smart for that ;-) .

I'm not saying it's the most fooling routine, it's not the sort of thing you do on Penn and Teller for example, but it's reliable and creates the desired effect.

If that's the effect you desire, it's for you!
[/quote]

If people would be able to work it out then it probably already has been worked out. Second if it cannot fly by in a video then the method that is applied to the effect is not new.
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jun 22, 2011 04:10PM)
Another question if I may: Do you perform this routine in most shows you do and if not how frequent then?
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 22, 2011 04:26PM)
Nimrod... every show! In short 15 minute 'spots' THIS is my entire show :) . There is no BS here... THIS is what I mainly perform. It opens my show and then closes my show. When I'm doing longer, every other routine gets sandwiched in between it!

Col.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jun 22, 2011 04:32PM)
Colin, Paul...
Your stuff is gold!
Im in!
:)
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 22, 2011 04:41PM)
Ive seen Colin perform a few times. And while I haven't seen him perform the whole routine I think I know the core of what he is selling. If it is what I think it is - it probably isn't a mentalist or magician fooler. Most would work out how he did it. BUT I DOUBT MANY LAY PEOPLE WOULD FIGURE IT OUT.

The part I am pretty sure he is including in this routine is a very clever use of a combination of old principles that make it really easy to do a 15 minute act in a large stage setting. I think it was a really brilliant idea. I remember talking to him a while back and telling him he should release it before someone steals it and releases it. It really is very clever and I think most if not all would use this. It is very useable. Not only that it is a principle that you create a completely different routine around.

And Im just guessing here I am probably talking about 50% of the routine I haven't seen him perform the rest. If its for doing professional shows I think its worth having...

Only you can decide if the price is right though.
Message: Posted by: runeflax (Jun 22, 2011 04:47PM)
How reliable is the technique involved?
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 22, 2011 04:53PM)
I haven't seen the part where he gives the spectators power. But the rest is 100% reliable. And 110% useable. I would use it but probably in my own way. Not because what Colin does with it isn't good because it is but just because I would want to use it my way.


Like I said I reckon I know about 50% of what Coion is offering and nothing about what Paul is offering. If its as good as the part I am reffering to - then if you perform its prob worth it.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 22, 2011 04:55PM)
Honestly... 100%! I say that, do you know what, like anything, something could go wrong! The structure and method allow for 100% success rate. If someone tries to mess you around, or if you don't follow every instruction in the book (there aren't many to be honest!) then obviously something could potentially go wrong. But in a normal show, it ALWAYS works :)

Col.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 22, 2011 05:00PM)
I just reread the description, and a part of this sounds quite like something I've read before. I'm not trying to fish around for the method, but I've PMed you, Colin, to ask about something.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 22, 2011 05:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 18:00, DekEl wrote:
I just reread the description, and a part of this sounds quite like something I've read before. I'm not trying to fish around for the method, but I've PMed you, Colin, to ask about something.
[/quote]

And... Clarified. To the best of my knowledge, I've never heard anything like it.
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Jun 22, 2011 06:20PM)
[quote]
If people would be able to work it out then it probably already has been worked out. Second if it cannot fly by in a video then the method that is applied to the effect is not new.
[/quote]

That is not always the case.

Jim

H.o.A-X
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 22, 2011 08:03PM)
I agree, Jim. There is a difference between watching a performance live, or actually being the spectator involved, and between having a video that shows you the entire effect that you can watch over, and over, and over again.

Furthermore, there is also a difference between being a lay person and a mentalist, who's read all sorts of materials. Who knows what dual reality, pre show, and cold reading are.

I'll leave the differences up to you, but make no mistake; there are some, and I think they more then make up for Colin and Paul not putting up a video.
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Jun 22, 2011 08:54PM)
Look at the avatars: Jim C and DekEl separated at birth??
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2011 09:04PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 21:54, Bob Baker wrote:
Look at the avatars: Jim C and DekEl separated at birth??
[/quote]I was thinking the same thing... Maybe Jim just talks to himself... Or is it DekEl that likes talking to himself? I don't know, it's all very confusing.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 23, 2011 01:22AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 17:41, mindpunisher wrote:
...it probably isn't a mentalist or magician fooler. Most would work out how he did it. BUT I DOUBT MANY LAY PEOPLE WOULD FIGURE IT OUT...
[/quote]

Already one lay person would be too much for me. Jan
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 23, 2011 03:36AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 02:22, JanForster wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 17:41, mindpunisher wrote:
...it probably isn't a mentalist or magician fooler. Most would work out how he did it. BUT I DOUBT MANY LAY PEOPLE WOULD FIGURE IT OUT...
[/quote]

Already one lay person would be too much for me. Jan
[/quote]

Do you honestly believe no lay person has ever worked out one or two effects you have done? I have a friend who reverse engineers a huge number of effects and he is a complete laymen.
Message: Posted by: caycemindreader (Jun 23, 2011 03:43AM)
LOL maybe German audiences are just too polite to burst the bubble?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 23, 2011 03:53AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 04:43, caycemindreader wrote:
LOL maybe German audiences are just too polite to burst the bubble?
[/quote]
No, they are very very tough... present a disclaimer and they will feel offended... and yes: in mentalism I try hard to avoid routines people can figure out. They are some who know and have seen me and know it's true... :) Jan
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 23, 2011 03:58AM)
So you think that we all go out of our way to do routines that are easy to figure out?

My bet is Jan there are some that have seen you and figured the odd thing out. You just don't know about it.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:02AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 15:25, Blindside785 wrote:
Random question for Paul, maybe cause I"m tired...and just woke up.

But how much time does this usually take up in your act?
[/quote]



The close-up effect can take anywhere between 4-8 minutes depending on if more than one person wants their mind read. Or if the same person wants to think of a different memory.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:04AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 17:10, nimrod wrote:
Another question if I may: Do you perform this routine in most shows you do and if not how frequent then?
[/quote]



The effect that I share in this book is a close-up effect. I perform it at 100% of my close-up engagements and have done for many years. So the answer is, very frequently.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: caycemindreader (Jun 23, 2011 04:15AM)
I don't feel comfortable spending this much money on an effect unless I know certain details: Paul, can you tell us where you cartel's secret base of operations is? Cheers. C
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:20AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 17:02, edh wrote:

If people would be able to work it out then it probably already has been worked out. Second if it cannot fly by in a video then the method that is applied to the effect is not new.
[/quote]


This is not necessarily the case. Us lot 'in the field' have a special skill-set and knowledge base that enables use to perceive things in a massively different way to the rest of the world. Things that would slay the laity beyond belief, would just be dismissed by an 'insider' The classic example here is of the 'N**l W****r'. I could post 10 video variations of this method all displaying different effects. To the laity each effect would be different as they see the outcome not the method. To the conoscenti each of the effects would not be separate but linked via the method, a method easily worked out I may add. The effects would be dismissed as the secret seeker realises "oh I know that one...next".

So while I think that some of the fraternity would be fooled by the video. Others would not be. Equally some would attempt to work it out and de-construct it. While it may not be possible to work out the method overtly, seeing things in the informed way that we do, we would be able to start saying what it isn't. Slowly eliminating all possibilities until no others remain but solution.

I can safely say that over the year of performing this that everyone has been amazingly astonished with the effect. Not one person has ever questioned the effect or raised suspicions. Which is rare, as nearly all effects I perform at some point with the right type of person (person was selected instead of any of your favourite asterisked words) will come under suspicion. But this has never been an effect called into dispute EVER! When I say this I mean overtly. Of course I can not vouch for what people say once I have left. However, when people react as strongly as they do to this (and everyone in the group does react) it means they have 'come along for the ride' and will be locked into your premise.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:21AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 17:47, runeflax wrote:
How reliable is the technique involved?
[/quote]


This technique is 100% reliable, and speaking for myself this has never failed. Not once!

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:27AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 04:53, JanForster wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 04:43, caycemindreader wrote:
LOL maybe German audiences are just too polite to burst the bubble?
[/quote]
No, they are very very tough... present a disclaimer and they will feel offended... and yes: in mentalism I try hard to avoid routines people can figure out. They are some who know and have seen me and know it's true... :) Jan
[/quote]


I personally believe that your audience will not be able to figure this method out. Talking of German audiences, I have performed this for a German company before, where most of the attendants were German. You are correct about them being sceptical. The other effects in my set came under scrutiny (they didn't find anything, but they wanted to look at things A LOT), but this effect did not come under scrutiny. The reason for this is that there is a process in the effect that destroys the sceptical thinking as everything appears to be above fair.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:34AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 05:15, caycemindreader wrote:
I don't feel comfortable spending this much money on an effect unless I know certain details: Paul, can you tell us where you cartel's secret base of operations is? Cheers. C
[/quote]


Well of course. The only place we could take out multi-billion pound cartel was Switzerland. It was Switzerland or the Cayman Islands, but my Toblerone kept melting when I ate it in the sun, making the choice a 'no brainer'.

Consequently, our new multi-billion pound facility will be featuring on MTV Cribs on August 12th 8pm GMT. I hope they cut out the highly embarrassing 'Toblerone Cupboard'

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 23, 2011 04:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-22 08:52, Lior wrote:
Now I trust Paul as well !

Lior
[/quote]



Oh Lior, you Queen :)
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 23, 2011 07:24AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 05:34, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 05:15, caycemindreader wrote:
I don't feel comfortable spending this much money on an effect unless I know certain details: Paul, can you tell us where you cartel's secret base of operations is? Cheers. C
[/quote]


Well of course. The only place we could take out multi-billion pound cartel was Switzerland. It was Switzerland or the Cayman Islands, but my Toblerone kept melting when I ate it in the sun, making the choice a 'no brainer'.

Consequently, our new multi-billion pound facility will be featuring on MTV Cribs on August 12th 8pm GMT. I hope they cut out the highly embarrassing 'Toblerone Cupboard'

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

This is exposure
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 23, 2011 07:29AM)
I know some have said if they spend $200 they want to see a demo video first. As someone who has ordered this and actually paid the money, I prefer that a demo not be posted.
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 23, 2011 09:05AM)
I'm sorry I just can't keep coming back here to watch these fine gentlemen get beat up day after day ... so here's what I'm willing to do.

Paul, Colin:

Send me the darn book, I'll take a few hours out of my busy day, digest it and bring back my review to the Café.

Let's just settle this nonsense once and for all.

PM me for my address!!

Always willing to help out in a pinch,

John

PS: Ok, I'll pay postage.
Message: Posted by: CharlieBlack (Jun 23, 2011 09:37AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 10:05, johncesta wrote:
I'm sorry I just can't keep coming back here to watch these fine gentlemen get beat up day after day ... so here's what I'm willing to do.

Paul, Colin:

Send me the darn book, I'll take a few hours out of my busy day, digest it and bring back my review to the Café.

Let's just settle this nonsense once and for all.

PM me for my address!!

Always willing to help out in a pinch,

John

PS: Ok, I'll pay postage.
[/quote]

I would like to help out too. It's always good to lend a helping hand, especially to the people I admire. :)

Regards,
Charlie
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jun 23, 2011 09:54AM)
Magicians helping magicians. :)
Message: Posted by: OTTOEMEZZO (Jun 23, 2011 10:38AM)
Are there any props used in this effect? I think most here assume there are no props, but just want to make sure.
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jun 23, 2011 10:50AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 08:29, brehaut wrote:
I know some have said if they spend $200 they want to see a demo video first. As someone who has ordered this and actually paid the money, I prefer that a demo not be posted.
[/quote]

Same here.
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 23, 2011 10:50AM)
Poor Lads!
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 23, 2011 10:50AM)
There is obviously something going on! That's why it's 100% guaranteed! The unique 'thing' that is being used is what the book focuses on and how to use it to directly read random thoughts AND have someone else read random thoughts!

The thing you're learning about is something I am so incredibly proud of! I honestly believe the people who buy this and use it are going to see the real value in it and I hope they respect their investment enough to guard it selfishly! :)

Best wishes,
Col.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 23, 2011 12:13PM)
5 pages of deliberation on something that's not even out yet, Colin, Paul, you can buy publicity like this. I'm seriously considering this. I have some of Colin's material and some of Paul's too and have never been disappointed.
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jun 23, 2011 02:32PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 11:38, OTTOEMEZZO wrote:
Are there any props used in this effect? I think most here assume there are no props, but just want to make sure.
[/quote]

this is the question that is holding me back. I don't think its an unreasonable question to ask.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jun 23, 2011 03:26PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 11:38, OTTOEMEZZO wrote:
Are there any props used in this effect? I think most here assume there are no props, but just want to make sure.
[/quote]
I make no such assumption.
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 23, 2011 04:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 15:32, Smoking Camel wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 11:38, OTTOEMEZZO wrote:
Are there any props used in this effect? I think most here assume there are no props, but just want to make sure.
[/quote]

this is the question that is holding me back. I don't think its an unreasonable question to ask.
[/quote]

Exactly! I'd hate to have to buy an elephant just to perform a silly trick.
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jun 23, 2011 04:16PM)
My order is in, both Colin and Paul have proven their credentials time and time again through their previous offerings.

I don't think for one moment that either would sacrifice their hard earned reputations on a release of such stature, the fact that both have publicly stated that this is their most prized offering to date is a testament to this fact.

For those on the fence why not consider buying one of their cheaper items first? you will then know wether their material sits well with you. If your already a fan then no further questioning is necessary.

Please remember two things, firstly no one is forcing anyone to buy and secondly they aren't going to tip the method without you buying this so if in doubt just hold off until the reviews are in...but then again it may be too late :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 24, 2011 03:50AM)
Some of you guys asking about 'props' might want to take a look at what Colin wrote, about six message above this one.

You know, sometimes it really pays to read the actually lines written rather than read between them. I'm just sayin' ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 24, 2011 07:02AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 04:50, Paul Brook wrote:
Some of you guys asking about 'props' might want to take a look at what Colin wrote, about six message above this one.

You know, sometimes it really pays to read the actually lines written rather than read between them. I'm just sayin' ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

So are there props? ;)
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 24, 2011 07:09AM)
Lol, no, genuine psychic ability for only £130... Bloody bargain! :P

I hope the 'prop' if you wan to call it that, is one of the easiest things you'll ever use. Once you've mastered that (10 seconds of practice?!) You can then focus on the presentation, subtlties and designing your own specific routine to fit your requirements! (That bit will take longer than 10 seconds... Sorry! :) )

Col
Message: Posted by: cougar261084 (Jun 24, 2011 09:14AM)
Well I bought it,
these were the lines that pulled me in

Also, there is no cueing as in some of Paul & Colin's routines using dual reality where one spectator sees something that everyone else doesn't. This is not the case here! Everyone is aware of everything that is going on and the process is all done openly.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 24, 2011 03:50PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 08:02, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 04:50, Paul Brook wrote:
Some of you guys asking about 'props' might want to take a look at what Colin wrote, about six message above this one.

You know, sometimes it really pays to read the actually lines written rather than read between them. I'm just sayin' ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

So are there props? ;)
[/quote]


Don't make me come over there, John ;)
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Jun 24, 2011 04:34PM)
I was meaning to write this post for a while now. This is not about "This way up" but it is about the credentials of Paul Brook. Colin Mcleod released a brilliant DVD that any serious mentalist can take from, suffice to report, Colin knows his stuff. It is Paul Brook that I can report on with more authority. You see, I signed up for his Mind Reading Course a couple of months ago & already this man has transformed my thinking! I have come from a situation whereby I was nervous of approaching strangers to perform effects, to a reality now where I welcome it, to the point where I have to restrain myself!! This is a man who knows his subject way beyond most of his peers and if anyone on this forum thinks he would "try make a fast buck" or put his name to another regurgitated effect, is sadly wrong. I know nothing more about this effect other than Paul Brook is the "Real Deal". Anyone reading this who is coming from a viewpoint of "How do I take the next step to further my career/hobby" should do themselves a favour and check out paul's website NB: I have no affiliation to Paul Brook or Colin Mcleod, except enjoying Colin's DVD and really benefitting thus far from Paul Brook's excellent mentoring.



Robbie.
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 24, 2011 05:29PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 17:34, innercirclewannabe wrote:
I was meaning to write this post for a while now. This is not about "This way up" but it is about the credentials of Paul Brook. Colin Mcleod released a brilliant DVD that any serious mentalist can take from, suffice to report, Colin knows his stuff. It is Paul Brook that I can report on with more authority. You see, I signed up for his Mind Reading Course a couple of months ago & already this man has transformed my thinking! I have come from a situation whereby I was nervous of approaching strangers to perform effects, to a reality now where I welcome it, to the point where I have to restrain myself!! This is a man who knows his subject way beyond most of his peers and if anyone on this forum thinks he would "try make a fast buck" or put his name to another regurgitated effect, is sadly wrong. I know nothing more about this effect other than Paul Brook is the "Real Deal". Anyone reading this who is coming from a viewpoint of "How do I take the next step to further my career/hobby" should do themselves a favour and check out paul's website NB: I have no affiliation to Paul Brook or Colin Mcleod, except enjoying Colin's DVD and really benefitting thus far from Paul Brook's excellent mentoring.



Robbie.
[/quote]

Good enough. I can't begin to think that ANYONE who has posted to the Café more than ... say, three times, has any equivocation on the skills or credentials of Paul or Colin. If you do, ask them! ;)

In all serious-ness. I trust the book will be a HUGE success!!

John
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jun 25, 2011 01:02AM)
I have pre-ordered.

After some questions to Paul, I am sure this will be wonderful.
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Jun 25, 2011 10:12AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-25 02:02, J. Prager wrote:
I have pre-ordered.

After some questions to Paul, I am sure this will be wonderful.
[/quote]

I have also pre-ordred after some questions to Colin :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 25, 2011 12:48PM)
Yes, we have been having a silly amount of questions coming in regarding this effect.

I would say this, that most of the questions that we are getting, can already be answered by reading through this thread.

Other than:

a) "Can this be done in any language?"

and

b) "When will you be shipping this?"

and

c) "Will the package be recorded/tracked?"


The answers to those questions are:

a) "Yes"

and

b) "We are aiming for the first week of July."

and

c) "Yes, we will send every package signed for and tracked."


Hope that helps :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Jun 25, 2011 12:52PM)
I ordered it the minute I received their email with their newsletter. No questions at all to any of them. I know who they are through their previous work and I truly trust them.

Every time we buy magic from other creators we are pretty much trusting what they say or show. It does not matter if they put up a fancy video demo or not. Our trust is based on their reputation as creators of previous effects. Colin and Paul make a living from this art and both are putting their name and their word on this book. This is enough for me to trust and believe on what they say.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 25, 2011 02:14PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-25 13:52, Joaquin wrote:
I ordered it the minute I received their email with their newsletter. No questions at all to any of them. I know who they are through their previous work and I truly trust them.

Every time we buy magic from other creators we are pretty much trusting what they say or show. It does not matter if they put up a fancy video demo or not. Our trust is based on their reputation as creators of previous effects. Colin and Paul make a living from this art and both are putting their name and their word on this book. This is enough for me to trust and believe on what they say.
[/quote]


Thank you for your trust. It is sincerely appreciated.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: mick the trick (Jun 26, 2011 03:58AM)
I was on the fence when I first read this thread,as to weather I should order it or not.
But having ordered Colins and Pauls material before let me tell you their stuff kills fullstop.
This effect has been their bread and butter for years,and I am so glad they are finally releasing it,thank you so much lads.
I performed one of Colins effects from his Opening Minds DVD on stage to 50 plus magicians and not one of them had a clue how it was done, it was one of the best reactions I have ever received.
You can guarantee that this latest effect is going to be the dogs bo**ocks.
Message: Posted by: KiKi (Jun 26, 2011 04:59AM)
I performed one of Colins effects from his Opening Minds DVD on stage to 50 plus magicians and not one of them had a clue how it was done.



May I ask which one you performed?
thx
Message: Posted by: mick the trick (Jun 26, 2011 06:30AM)
Hi kiki,
Certainly,it was the bookless booktest.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 26, 2011 07:41AM)
Yeah... That one fooled me too when I watched it!
Message: Posted by: mick the trick (Jun 26, 2011 09:19AM)
See I told you it was good Colin even fooled himself with it. l.o.l.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 26, 2011 10:28AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-26 04:58, mick the trick wrote:
I performed one of Colins effects from his Opening Minds DVD on stage to 50 plus magicians and not one of them had a clue how it was done, it was one of the best reactions I have ever received.
You can guarantee that this latest effect is going to be the dogs bo**ocks.
[/quote]
Wow, I'm impressed! up to 50 magicians! Incredible!
Best endorsement I have ever read!
I hope one day you'll perform for real people and not magic club.
Btw, this thread is full of ********, 80% af all the posts come from beginner or sunday magician.
I'm sure the book will be good ( no joking here), read all these useless post it's rather tired.
I hope I'm not the only one to think like that.
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Jun 26, 2011 03:21PM)
Not quite sure what you are trying to say Parmenion. I presume your elitist comment was as much aimed at me with so little posts as others here. I can assure you that I am neither a beginner or a Sunday Magician and I would also like to point out that just because you have posted the required number of comments to grant you innercircle status, this in no way suggests that you have passed the beginner or Sunday Magician stage yourself!
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 26, 2011 03:53PM)
I never work the sunday, I'm catholic!
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Jun 26, 2011 03:57PM)
So am I , but I work Every day that God sends!!
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 26, 2011 05:59PM)
[quote]
Wow, I'm impressed! up to 50 magicians! Incredible!
Best endorsement I have ever read!
I hope one day you'll perform for real people and not magic club.
Btw, this thread is full of ********, 80% af all the posts come from beginner or sunday magician.
I'm sure the book will be good ( no joking here), read all these useless post it's rather tired.
I hope I'm not the only one to think like that.

[/quote]

[quote]
On 2011-06-26 16:53, parmenion wrote:
I'm catholic!
[/quote]

And I'm surprised!

------------------

Love is patient and kind; love does not [b]envy or boast[/b]; it is not [b]arrogant or rude[/b]. It [b]does not insist on its own way[/b]; it is not [b]irritable or resentful[/b]; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Message: Posted by: mick the trick (Jun 26, 2011 06:32PM)
Im sorry if I hit a raw nerve with you parminion. Just for the record I'm not a Sunday magician, I have been doing magic 35 years plus mainly for lay people.If your tired of reading useless posts go somewhere else with your crass remarks.
Message: Posted by: cougar261084 (Jun 27, 2011 04:39AM)
This thread is starting to go the wrong way make your own thread to start bickering and argueing this is about this way up
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 27, 2011 04:42AM)
I agree with Cougar start you own thread mick !
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jun 27, 2011 05:07AM)
Parmenion, imho Cougar's post wasn't addressing just Mick...!
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jun 27, 2011 05:22AM)
Christ! Stay on topic. If you wanna order the book go for it, if you don't, fine. All the bickering in between is pointless
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 27, 2011 07:01AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 06:22, looch wrote:


Christ! Stay on topic. [/quote]

Oh no!! now Looch is bringing religion back into it!! ;) ;)

J
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 27, 2011 07:05AM)
This thread doesn't need moderators it needs a referee and some linesmen.
Message: Posted by: RichardShure (Jun 27, 2011 09:14AM)
Wow...I'm with Looch on this one. Can we possibly bicker and whine anymore??? Either get it or don't. Its not like there are not thousands of mentalism books and products out there. None of them will change your life, get you more girls, make you unbelievably wealthy, impart on you good taste, improve your wardrobe, or make you super cool.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 27, 2011 09:17AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 10:14, RichardShure wrote:
Wow...I'm with Looch on this one. Can we possibly bicker and whine anymore??? Either get it or don't. Its not like there are not thousands of mentalism books and products out there. None of them will change your life, get you more girls, make you unbelievably wealthy, impart on you good taste, improve your wardrobe, or make you super cool.
[/quote]


There is a massive correlation to what you have just typed and something within my introduction.

Owners, when you get the book, remember this post and have a secret 'lol' to yourself...go on...nobody is watching you...right?

;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: RichardShure (Jun 27, 2011 09:37AM)
Good Luck Paul,
As you have probably typed more words in this thread than you have in the books you have written...lol.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 27, 2011 09:39AM)
I'd agree to that IF you include all the questions I have had to field regarding this release ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 27, 2011 09:59AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 10:14, RichardShure wrote:
Wow...I'm with Looch on this one. Can we possibly bicker and whine anymore??? Either get it or don't. Its not like there are not thousands of mentalism books and products out there. None of them will change your life, get you more girls, make you unbelievably wealthy, impart on you good taste, improve your wardrobe, or make you super cool.
[/quote]

I'm with Looch too except for the Christ part- HE had nothing to do with it.

RNK
Message: Posted by: stevie1 (Jun 27, 2011 11:03AM)
All seems black or white to me...I for one trust both these guys,so I had no hesitation in sending my order thru....if it doesn't sound like your cup of tea...dont order it...simple as....and respect to you Paul in the gentlemanly way you've handled some of these querys.Well done buddy
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 27, 2011 01:32PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 10:14, RichardShure wrote:
Wow...I'm with Looch on this one. Can we possibly bicker and whine anymore??? Either get it or don't. Its not like there are not thousands of mentalism books and products out there. None of them will change your life, get you more girls, make you unbelievably wealthy, impart on you good taste, improve your wardrobe, or make you super cool.
[/quote]

I am dissapointed. I need a wardrobe improvement. If this won't do it I'm out!

J
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 27, 2011 01:40PM)
[quote]if it doesn't sound like your cup of tea...dont order it...simple as[/quote]

The whole reason for the discussion is that there isn't enough information to determine whether it is 'your cup of tea' or not. Hence the questions - and answering questions is not an onerous task when it comes to interacting with a community in which you are selling. Why you'd feel the need to congratulate Paul on his ability to answer these questions in a gentlemanly manner surprises me. When I go to my local butchers to buy some beef I may well ask him which cut of the animal it is from; whether it is fresh; and whether it is suitable for my intended use of it. Polite answers to these questions is what a prospective customers deserves. I don't feel the need to congratulate my butcher on not being a moron.
Message: Posted by: DekEl (Jun 27, 2011 01:54PM)
[quote]
When I go to my local butchers to buy some beef I may well ask him which cut of the animal it is from; whether it is fresh; and whether it is suitable for my intended use of it.
[/quote]

The difference is that instead of buying some beef, you are buying a secret.

Why don't you state your intended use and then ask the butcher if it is suitable? Then, without giving away the beef for free, the butcher can tell you if it's suitable (he would know), you can buy the beef, and be on your way.
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jun 27, 2011 02:15PM)
How would I even have an intended use for a mentalism product when there is no indication of what it is/does/nature of compromise? It is possible to give sufficient informtion for someone to make an informed decision to purchase without giving away the secret. People do it all the time. But since you pressing me I will play along...

[quote]You ask someone in the group to think of a memory.[/quote]
I would really like to perform an effect where a spectator genuinly gets a free choice of one of their own genuine memories. Will this effect fit my purposes?
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jun 27, 2011 02:17PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 14:40, Davit Sicseek wrote:
[quote]if it doesn't sound like your cup of tea...dont order it...simple as[/quote]

The whole reason for the discussion is that there isn't enough information to determine whether it is 'your cup of tea' or not. Hence the questions - and answering questions is not an onerous task when it comes to interacting with a community in which you are selling. Why you'd feel the need to congratulate Paul on his ability to answer these questions in a gentlemanly manner surprises me. When I go to my local butchers to buy some beef I may well ask him which cut of the animal it is from; whether it is fresh; and whether it is suitable for my intended use of it. Polite answers to these questions is what a prospective customers deserves. I don't feel the need to congratulate my butcher on not being a moron.
[/quote]

David your post may be part of the reason this is being sold as a limited offering. Paul and Colin have a superb reputation. My guess is they will sell out just off their reputation. In other words, having earned the reputation for excellence they do not need in a limited offering to answer question after question. Some questions maybe legitimate but many I see posted on the Café are just looking to learn the method. The indivduals Paul and Colin are marketing to really don't need much information---they trust these two. Not blindly but from past experience. With a limited offering and based upon the material I have already purchased from Paul and Colin, everyone will be happy. They are happy---they sell out and can focus on the creative side. The buyers of the book are happy (I am assuming it is the quality of their past work). Well, I guess maybe not everyone is happy---those who do not buy it and later can not get it except maybe at a premium may be unhappy.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 27, 2011 02:19PM)
Davit is right! I've seen Paul perform and he does absolutely butcher those routines. That's the memory I was thinking of.

Davit, you are good my friend!! :-D
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 27, 2011 02:25PM)
Joint, shoulder, or rump :P
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 27, 2011 02:28PM)
When I dine out I go somewhere I've been before. I know that I'll be left with a sweet taste in my mouth rather than a bitter one. If I'm trying a new dish I don't ask the chef about the ingredients or preparation, I trust his expertise to provide a quality meal. I may pay over the odds but fine food costs that little bit more.

I just hope that when I can afford to dine out again chefs Brook & McLeod still have this on the menu, if so I look forward to an enjoyable meal.

Derek
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jun 27, 2011 02:29PM)
[quote]
You ask someone in the group to think of a memory.

I would really like to perform an effect where a spectator genuinly gets a free choice of one of their own genuine memories. Will this effect fit my purposes?
[/quote]

That would be nice to know. I've been disappointed by effects in the past where you essentially give them an option from a bunch of simulated fake memories to choose from.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 27, 2011 02:31PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 15:15, Davit Sicseek wrote:

[quote]You ask someone in the group to think of a memory.[/quote]
I would really like to perform an effect where a spectator genuinly gets a free choice of one of their own genuine memories. Will this effect fit my purposes?
[/quote]

So to answer Davits question?
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 27, 2011 02:32PM)
Just to tantalise those who are on the fence and excite those who have pre-ordered, here are some words of praise for 'This Way Up' from a rather excellent person:


“What you hold in your hand is not merely a trick or an effect. It is further more a framework, a framework upon which you can place your own ideas, personality, presentation, and meaning. It is your miracle. Guard and treasure it. This work leaves my mind spinning, and giddy.”

Marc Salem



.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 27, 2011 02:35PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 15:31, takeachance wrote:

So to answer Davits question?
[/quote]


Your answer can in Colin's post, halfway down on page five of this thread.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 27, 2011 02:41PM)
That's an answer a lawyer would give, but thanks for the reply anyway. I sense you don't want to be clear on the issue.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jun 27, 2011 02:44PM)
If you are not sure, just don't buy it!
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 27, 2011 02:51PM)
Thanks for your input J Prager, very but thoughtful, but this is a discussion forum so I'd like to discuss things seeing it was put up on the Café. My decision to buy it or not need not concern you
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jun 27, 2011 02:57PM)
Take a chance.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 27, 2011 02:59PM)
That will probably be the outcome. I suspect the hype distracts me from the fact that both authors do have excellant credentials in the industry, I have previous works of theirs. I hope this lives up to my expectations of them
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 27, 2011 04:11PM)
Like we've said, the method is meant to be a simple one, BUT it has many layers of psychology on top of it which makes the effect so strong. You need to read the entire book I'm afraid to understand exactly what is happening. Like I've said OF COURSE there is something happening. It is that something you are paying for the rights to understand and use in your own shows.

There are a few more quotes on the books web site from people I love and respect.

This is the sort of routine performers are going to us and immediately see where it improves a number of things which just takes that 'something classic' and revolutionises it.

Do you know what, if you can't work out what it is from what we've said... Sorry! But obviously we're not going to tell you what it is. The IT is the easy part, it's how we use the IT!

I was in London on Saturday night performing in a comedy club where most of the comedians were having a tough night. THIS is the only routine I performed in 15 minutes. Not only did it have everyone engaged, laughing and involved from the start, it absolutely brought the house down to the point where the compere said "You actually saved this evening!" That is the strength of this routine!

I obviously love it to bits, it is my baby, but when you understand it, you will make it your own and achieve similar if not better reactions!

...Exciting times!

Col.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2011 05:02PM)
Any nude photos? scratch 'n sniff?

isn't this as easy as "look in bank account, decide if you want it...buy it if you do"? never really got the whole "why are you charging x amount" thing...

buy it if you like the sound of it...if you don't...leave it alone...
Message: Posted by: RichardShure (Jun 27, 2011 05:15PM)
Alright I hate to do this...but....

I understand that we need a little hype to sell a product but When Colin said....

"I was in London on Saturday night performing in a comedy club where most of the comedians were having a tough night. THIS is the only routine I performed in 15 minutes. Not only did it have everyone engaged, laughing and involved from the start, it absolutely brought the house down to the point where the compere said "You actually saved this evening!" That is the strength of this routine!"

I just tire of this type of hype.

The reality is simple. Either you are a good entertainer or you are not. There is no one effect that is going to make you a GOD.(which is what is implied by this post.) Is Colin saying he is so good...or the trick is so good?

Probably, most likely, it is a combination of both.

If only I could go back through all the posts in Penny and find how many said....This effect will make you a star, a reputation maker, double your income, etc. I bet it would be a lot of posts.

And I also think...just in the back of my mind...if I had such an effect....why would I sell it?????
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 27, 2011 05:21PM)
I do believe it is both too!

But the routine is SO simple and direct... it, like I said above, "allows you to make it your own and achieve similar if not better reactions"

Hope that helps Richard!

Much love,
Col.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 27, 2011 06:12PM)
I never knew you could do mind reading with IT..I know all your secrets now Colin. You're going down. I'm taking this mentalism world by storm!

How many are left?
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 27, 2011 06:29PM)
Yes... I have Lior Manor to thank!! :D

Col
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jun 28, 2011 02:40AM)
Yes... I have Lior Manor to thank!! :D

Col
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 28, 2011 03:04AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-27 18:02, IAIN wrote:
Any nude photos? scratch 'n sniff?

[/quote]


Look, I told you that was a ONE OFF!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 28, 2011 03:11AM)
There are a few more quotes from professionals who HAVE read the book, here:


http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm


(Towards the bottom of the page after the ad copy)


These chaps are not speculating about the book. These are INFORMED opinions.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 28, 2011 05:43AM)
Mrac Salem endorse it, it means the routine use a NW?
Just kidding!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 29, 2011 03:09AM)
Yet another professional quote for 'This Way Up' has hit the website. You all know the link by now, so go check it out :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jun 29, 2011 08:48AM)
D*mn! The Cassidy comment sold it for me. This way I will never be able to buy those neat electronic devices ;-). Every time I intend to put some money aside some brilliant new book arises. And I'm sucker for books and good advertising.

Thanks a lot, Bob!
My wife hates me so much... the trip to Paris will be for next year. It's all a question of (wrong) priorities.
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jun 29, 2011 09:12AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-29 09:48, Bartelli wrote:

My wife hates me so much...

[/quote]

.....buy the book but save your wedding :)!!
Message: Posted by: Mesaboogie (Jun 29, 2011 09:40AM)
I've just bought this too. Highly respect Mr Brook from previous works. Looking forward to reading this.

Regards

Andrew
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jun 29, 2011 10:12AM)
I'm in!
:)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 30, 2011 06:52AM)
I'm in :)
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 30, 2011 07:16AM)
I wish I was in. I have kids!!

J
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 30, 2011 07:17AM)
Is this the queue for the hokey-cokey?
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 30, 2011 07:25AM)
I have chocolate!
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jun 30, 2011 08:17AM)
There's a market for those too :D
[quote]
On 2011-06-30 08:16, johncesta wrote:
I wish I was in. I have kids!!

J
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: kambiz (Jun 30, 2011 10:47AM)
Whilst exchanging "cheeky" words with Paul regarding my wish to be "in" with Paul and Colin, I advised him how hard it is to be "in" when you have kids.....

He cheekily responded that I should spend my money on them instead...

So I did.....So, as of today I am NOT "in" (but I feel "in" because I own an a**zooka lol)

....sadly.....

Kam
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 30, 2011 11:40AM)
A**zooka's are cool Kam :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jun 30, 2011 11:59AM)
Great use for A**zooka's in 'The Book Of Lies' ;)

Kam, of course you should spend your money on your family. Make your kids smile, you've got some serious entertainment right there, and not a piece of mentalism in sight :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 1, 2011 11:38PM)
Hello Gentlemen! Is the book on track with being shipped this week? :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 2, 2011 12:31AM)
I'm in!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 2, 2011 03:55AM)
Yet another professional has said something super-dooper about this book:

"A delicious combination of clever new ideas and cunning twists on the classics."

- John Archer, Professional Mind Reader

Cheers,

-Paul

[quote]
On 2011-07-02 00:38, nique wrote:
Hello Gentlemen! Is the book on track with being shipped this week? :)
[/quote]
With any luck we will get the books from the printers delivered sometime next week.

There is then the weekend that 'gets in the way' I would eliminate it for you all but some might moan!

Therefore, the books will be dispatched on, or around, the 11th July.

All I am going to say is, "If you haven't got an order in yet I wouldn't put it off for too much longer!"

Cheers,

-Paul

Here's the latest news on 'This Way Up' :

http://eepurl.com/eAIG2

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 4, 2011 12:48PM)
Thanks for the update Paul
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Jul 4, 2011 01:44PM)
Paul, can you please translate the following ?

Paul Brook Esq.
MSc D.Hyp.Adv Dip.Hyp Dip.Couns FHAGB MPBH MUFH MSFTR
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 4, 2011 01:54PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-04 14:44, Stefmagic wrote:
Paul, can you please translate the following ?

Paul Brook Esq.
MSc D.Hyp.Adv Dip.Hyp Dip.Couns FHAGB MPBH MUFH MSFTR
[/quote]
At first they would appear to be my qualifications. But in reality I dropped my alphabet spaghetti and they made this rather interesting pattern :)
Message: Posted by: Anansi (Jul 4, 2011 02:27PM)
Though 'FHAGB MPBH MUFH MSFTR ' does sound like something Mutley might say.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 4, 2011 02:43PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-04 15:27, Anansi wrote:
Though 'FHAGB MPBH MUFH MSFTR ' does sound like something Mutley might say.
[/quote]
Oh...that's a keeper. It will sit along side my "It's how to call H.P. Lovecraft" :)

Thanks,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jul 4, 2011 04:53PM)
And here is me for the past year thinking it was the final clue to the Crawley problem!
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 5, 2011 02:11AM)
I thought it was a Kraftwerk song!
Message: Posted by: Sicorace (Jul 5, 2011 02:42AM)
I'm new here, so I'd like to chip in and support the work of Colin and Paul, of course based on their previous ones.
I see to a trend that scares me - but then Paul's Crysalis of a Polymath was also not cheap, but I milked it, I'm milking it, and I will milk it for sure in the future.

So, for whoever may be interested, but don't know Paul and Colin, I'd like to back their reputation.

Does this mean that the book is good? Nope, but it probably will. Anyway I bought it and as soon as it arrives, I can make a short review



PS does anyone know how to subscribe to posts or forums?
Message: Posted by: Simon (Ted) Edwards (Jul 5, 2011 02:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-05 03:42, Sicorace wrote:
PS does anyone know how to subscribe to posts or forums?
[/quote]
I don't think you can, unless you make the original post and tick an option.
I hope I'm wrong, because I'd love to be able to track the interesting threads.
T.
Message: Posted by: Sicorace (Jul 5, 2011 02:51AM)
Ciao Simon! it's me, Daniele!

we are a little of topic here, but it seems strange that you cannot "track" a post and be alerted of any new message...
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 5, 2011 05:11AM)
I've since added a "favourite" link to this thread on my browser to bring it up now and then every 3 to 4 days.
Am also awaiting the book to arrive.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 5, 2011 08:51AM)
This topic has already 8 pages for nothing :)
I'll would like 10 pages for nothing, I like the number 10.
So this is my useless post to help to reach 10 pages.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 5, 2011 05:47PM)
I think this is the most expensive item I have ever purchased.

Feed us more hype, I'm hungry!

In Paul we trust.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 5, 2011 11:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-05 18:47, Blindside785 wrote:
I think this is the most expensive item I have ever purchased.

Feed us more hype, I'm hungry!

In Paul we trust.
[/quote]
Lol--funny!
Message: Posted by: John C (Jul 6, 2011 07:06AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-30 09:17, quicknotist wrote:
There's a market for those too :D
[quote]
On 2011-06-30 08:16, johncesta wrote:
I wish I was in. I have kids!!

J
[/quote]
[/quote]
yeah, it's called the "food" market.

JC
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 6, 2011 07:34AM)
Hi Paul,

any news about the shipment date ?

Regards
Giuseppe
Message: Posted by: Owen Mc Ginty (Jul 6, 2011 07:56AM)
My paypal account is trembling.
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jul 6, 2011 08:24AM)
Any significance to the title of this book?
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 6, 2011 08:44AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-04 12:47, Paul Brook wrote:
Here's the latest news on 'This Way Up' :

http://eepurl.com/eAIG2

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]
OVERFLOW---SEE Paul's posting about shipment a few posts back
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 6, 2011 08:52AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-06 09:44, brehaut wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-04 12:47, Paul Brook wrote:
Here's the latest news on 'This Way Up' :

http://eepurl.com/eAIG2

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]
OVERFLOW---SEE Paul's posting about shipment a few posts back
[/quote]
Already red it. I asked about news
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 6, 2011 08:54AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-02 04:59, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
[/quote]
Therefore, the books will be dispatched on, or around, the 11th July.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 6, 2011 09:02AM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Jul 6, 2011 01:48PM)
Just got mine. Sorry Acidus.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 6, 2011 02:21PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-06 09:24, cpbartak wrote:
Any significance to the title of this book?
[/quote]
Although I have absolutely no way of knowing---using my mindreading powers I will say "YES"
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 7, 2011 04:30AM)
Sorry for being absent! SO busy with http://www.magicfest.co.uk at the moment!!

Paul has sent me the new book and it's honestly looking incredible!! I'm VERY proud of the product, not just the principle, but now the look of the book too!

I think you guys are going to be very happy with it!

The fact we are getting close to selling out is awesome and I have the greatest respect for everyone trusting us enough to purchase this!

Much love!
Col.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 7, 2011 08:58AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-07 05:30, Colin wrote:
... and I have the greatest respect for everyone trusting us enough to purchase this!
[/quote]
Not necessary, but still nice to hear... Thanks, Colin ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: false_shuffle (Jul 7, 2011 08:27PM)
Yes, any signifigance to the title of the book? Does that hint the method at all? Where did the title come from? (i apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I just scrolled thru 9 pages of messages)

The first thing that came to my mind when I read about this effect was Andrew Mayne's Social Distortion. It was described as a similar plot and after thinking about it, I did feel that the use of the prop in Mayne's routine should have been mentioned in the ad. It's still a good trick, but I think the prop should have been mentioned in the ad.

The effect should have read something like "after showing a bunch of blank business cards very cleanly on both sides, the spectator is asked to concentrate on one of the blank cards. After visualizing the magician is able to pluck random thoughts from the spectators mind. At the end of the effect the audience is clueless and of course the blank business cards are totally examinable"....---However, if you google any magic shop that sells this trick, you will see that the ad mentions NOTHING of the blank business cards used. I felt something of this magnitude should have definitely been mentioned. Audiences are smart. I, myself, am always out to fool the smartest person. I don't want my audiences applauding because I was clever. I want them applauding because they think they've seen real magic, and are of course having a good time. Never underestimate the intelligence of your audience. In Mayne's effect I do believe they'll all be fooled, but some of the smarter people will be thinking "ok that was cool, but obviously he somehow sneakily showed him something written on the card"...they'll applaud, but only because I was clever...not because they think they saw real magic. I hope that makes sense.

I'm a bit nervous that "This way up" uses something similiar to Mayne's trick, which isn't being divulged on the effect description. There have already been hints that there is "something" used, which isn't' being mentioned. I just hope the magnitude of this isn't as big as the the business cards in Mayne's trick for example. I was disappointed this wasn't mentioned in the ad.
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jul 7, 2011 09:35PM)
Ok guys, boxers or briefs? Do you sleep on the left or right side of the bed? And the door frame, what's wrong with it? Inquiring minds need further information to make a truly informed decision here.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 8, 2011 12:52AM)
Almost sold out wow! The Magic Café is a great marketing place as well as a site to discuss material
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 8, 2011 03:23AM)
With Paul and Colin's reputation as performers and creators, I'm not surprised.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jul 8, 2011 06:37AM)
@ false shuffel

I suggest you to write colin a pm.
I am sure he will respond before you finished typing your question. ;)

Regarding "Any significance to the title of this book?"

"fishing" or "further information to make a truly informed decision" well it depends on someones perspective.

Iam looking forward to my copy!

All Best
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jul 8, 2011 07:51AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-06 09:24, cpbartak wrote:
Any significance to the title of this book?
[/quote]
I think it's a sexual thing. And it's also a misprint as there was meant to be a question mark in the title.
Something that's always puzzled these two fine yet innocent lads. Paul even went and got himself married in the search for this particular Grail.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 9, 2011 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-07 09:58, JanForster wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-07 05:30, Colin wrote:
... and I have the greatest respect for everyone trusting us enough to purchase this!
[/quote]
Not necessary, but still nice to hear... Thanks, Colin ;) Jan
[/quote]
I would also like to second Colin's comment.

I sincerely am touched by the amount of trust you have all shown.

Thank you!

-Paul

[quote]
On 2011-07-08 08:51, bobser wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-06 09:24, cpbartak wrote:
Any significance to the title of this book?
[/quote]
I think it's a sexual thing. And it's also a misprint as there was meant to be a question mark in the title.
Something that's always puzzled these two fine yet innocent lads. Paul even went and got himself married in the search for this particular Grail.
[/quote]
Hey Bob,

I thought private messages were meant to stay PRIVATE???

Gee...THANKS!
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Jul 9, 2011 12:16PM)
[quote]
I would also like to second Colin's comment.

I sincerely am touched by the amount of trust you have all shown.

Thank you!

-Paul
[/quote]
I am not sure that I trust either of you.

Look at what you do for a living.

Jim

H.O.A-X
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 9, 2011 12:56PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-09 13:16, Jim-Callahan wrote:
[quote]
I would also like to second Colin's comment.

I sincerely am touched by the amount of trust you have all shown.

Thank you!

-Paul
[/quote]
I am not sure that I trust either of you.

Look at what you do for a living.

Jim

H.O.A-X
[/quote]
I'm not sure that I trust YOU!

Look at what you do to the un-living ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 9, 2011 12:59PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-07 05:30, Colin wrote:
Paul has sent me the new book and it's honestly looking incredible!! [/quote]
Colin! Ship it already! :)
Message: Posted by: false_shuffle (Jul 10, 2011 07:05AM)
I PM'd Colin as suggested. He won't budge on anything lol. I don't totally agree with that. The knowledge of what the "prop" is helps determine how clean the effect looks. And that is important to me. Even though the effect is the same either way.
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jul 10, 2011 07:36AM)
I don't know if this matters to anyone but Paul and Colin...
but I ordered it (based on the glowing recommendation of Rev. Bob.)

dave
Message: Posted by: magic.mind (Jul 10, 2011 09:23PM)
Wow, 9 pages and 98,098 views. You guys need to go to parties.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 10, 2011 11:00PM)
That's almost twice as many views as the Café has registered members and nearly a third of all views on Penny since its inception. What does that tell you about the number of lurkers we have here?
Message: Posted by: truerserenity (Jul 11, 2011 03:17AM)
Hi

I myself was once a lurker here, but finally have taken the plunge and signed up.

I've jusst iontroduced myself properly in the "introduce yourself" section of this forum so
please feel to pop over there and find out a little more about me.

Anyhow it occured to me the high number of views for this thread may not just be lurkers..

I have to ask the question of how does this forum register views?

By that I mean are ISP's logged for each forum topic thread or does it count as a
seperate view each time each of us views it?

Perhaps the apparent high number of views has come about from all involved in this thread
coming back regularly to see who else has commented?

On a seperate note entirely I am very much looking forward to reviews of Colin and Paul's new
book appearing here, I am currently saving up and deliberating what my next magical/mentalism investment should be and this is in my top three considerations.

Its the reviews that shall tip the balance for me and help me make up my mind.

William
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 11, 2011 03:27AM)
If it's on your menu then you better grab it quick!

Only 200 people will have their hands on this.

Knowing that I will be 1/200 people (plus Paul, Colin, and a few of their close friends) that are IN on this makes me very happy.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 11, 2011 03:47AM)
Over 2000 views in a 6 hour period in the middle of the night on Sunday? Definitely something odd going on.
Message: Posted by: truerserenity (Jul 11, 2011 03:59AM)
Well fingers crossed that there are enough pennys left at the end of the month
and that there is a copy left, although I may try to start convincing my wife to
buy me this as an early anniversary present.

I've already got several of Paul Brooks books and enjoyed Colin's dvds from Alakazam
so feel certain this release will be amazing also.

William
Message: Posted by: magic.mind (Jul 11, 2011 08:45AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-11 04:47, mastermindreader wrote:
Over 2000 views in a 6 hour period in the middle of the night on Sunday? Definitely something odd going on.
[/quote]
Magic Café mafia :I'll make you an offer you can't refuse aimed for armchair performers.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 11, 2011 11:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-11 04:47, mastermindreader wrote:
Over 2000 views in a 6 hour period in the middle of the night on Sunday? Definitely something odd going on.
[/quote]


Bob, are you saying that in the middle of the night people want to see mine and Colin's 'bits'??? :exercise:

N.B. - Speak to Colin about possible webcam show!

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: runeflax (Jul 11, 2011 12:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-11 04:47, mastermindreader wrote:
Over 2000 views in a 6 hour period in the middle of the night on Sunday? Definitely something odd going on.
[/quote]

"Night" is relative - the magiccafe is pretty international...
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Jul 11, 2011 12:25PM)
About the view count ; this thread started on Jun 20. On july 10, total views 98,098 (as posted by magic.mind)

So, it's 98,098 for 20 days for an average of 4904 views per day.

Over 2000 views in a 6 hour period in the middle of the night on Sunday....YES it's possible mr Cassidy!

No Conspiracy Theory here!!!
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Jul 11, 2011 01:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-11 00:00, mastermindreader wrote:
That's almost twice as many views as the Café has registered members and nearly a third of all views on Penny since its inception. What does that tell you about the number of lurkers we have here?
[/quote]

Or maybe it reveals something else.....
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 11, 2011 01:39PM)
No conspiracy theory at all. Just numbers that are completely out of synch with reality.

Todd - I think you are right.

In any event, I think you are all going to be pleased with this release.

Good thoughts,

Bob
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 12, 2011 03:06AM)
Any update on shipping?

Anymore words you have for this Mr. Cassidy?

I'm impatient and I want my mommy.
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 12, 2011 03:13AM)
Maybe they will ship by the end of this week......but let's wait for official news! I am very impatient too :)
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Jul 12, 2011 05:16AM)
Maybe more time should be sent shipping the paid for product and less time artificially inflating the view count ;)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 12, 2011 06:02AM)
I am waiting to ship, but the printers still haven't dropped the books on my doorstep yet.

Re: View count - this has happened on other threads about my products before. I cannot say if the inflation is artificial or just interest in the topic. I know for a certainty that it isn't Colin or me. But it is apparent that a few people have tried to take this thread off-topic a few times, possibly to get it locked/moved/deleted? If the viewing count is artificially inflated it wouldn't surprise me if it were a tactic to get this thread locked/deleted.

Anyway, that's just a theory, and I have no proof, and for all I know it could be general interest.

I will post on this thread when the books land and also when I ship them, which will be later that day.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 12, 2011 06:56AM)
Hi Paul,

I think that no one here is interested about the view count so never mind about that. I am sure that this thread has many view just because there is great interest for this book.

We are happy to know that you'll ship the books soon.

Regards
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 12, 2011 08:32AM)
I've just spoken to the printers and they have confirmed that the books have been printed AND that they are en route to me as of about 2 hours ago.

It's looking like I will receive them tomorrow.

Updates to follow!

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jul 12, 2011 09:04AM)
Brill news, cheers for the update!
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 12, 2011 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-12 09:32, Paul Brook wrote:
I've just spoken to the printers and they have confirmed that the books have been printed AND that they are en route to me as of about 2 hours ago.

It's looking like I will receive them tomorrow.

Updates to follow!

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Excellent news---thanks for all the updates
Message: Posted by: Sicorace (Jul 12, 2011 10:51AM)
Yes, excellent news indeed!

can't wait to get it and finally the "obession" to know the secret has been taken place by something else... I could call it "love for the art"

but the obsession is still there :)

(maybe because sometimes the secret is not the revolutionary thing? quite a few times I had that "AH! what a genius!" regarding some new effect, but most of the time I appreciate the patter, the psychology or the showmanship infused in the effect)
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 12, 2011 01:42PM)
So glad the wait is finally over! I'm on the road at the end of the week, so some of you will see the final product before me!

So pleased it's almost there! I've said it before. Very VERy proud of this item. It's my number one go to routine and I'm sure when you read and study it, you'll see why!

Thanks again for all the support!!

Col
Message: Posted by: magic.mind (Jul 12, 2011 06:45PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-11 14:39, mastermindreader wrote:
No conspiracy theory at all. Just numbers that are completely out of synch with reality.
Good thoughts,

Bob
[/quote]

Yes , very suspicious.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Cook (Jul 13, 2011 05:32AM)
Myself and 214 friends have all chipped in a dollar to order this.

None of us can wait to read it.

It's going to be a bit of a fight to decide who reads it first though. LOLZ.
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 13, 2011 05:41AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-13 06:32, Kevin Cook wrote:
Myself and 214 friends have all chipped in a dollar to order this.

None of us can wait to read it.

It's going to be a bit of a fight to decide who reads it first though. LOLZ.
[/quote]

.....since the book is 252 pages, you can decide to split it in small pieces of about one page, so you can start reading all together :)

Regards
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 13, 2011 05:42AM)
Gentlemen...the Eagle has LANDED!
Message: Posted by: jaybest (Jul 13, 2011 05:47AM)
Fantastic!

Really looking forward to this one, and being in the UK hopefully means I'll have it in no time.

Cheers for the update.
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 13, 2011 05:48AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-13 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Gentlemen...the Eagle has LANDED!
[/quote]

......wow, great!! The best news for this month!
Message: Posted by: MindGenie (Jul 13, 2011 09:35AM)
Great News Paul ! What do you think when can you ship the books ?
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 13, 2011 09:38AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-13 10:35, MindGenie wrote:
Great News Paul ! What do you think when can you ship the books ?
[/quote]

....I think that he is working at the shipment NOW
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 13, 2011 10:46AM)
Yes I have been packing all afternoon, and I am at the post office as I type this.

Half will be sent out today, and half tomorrow, because of the post office closing and I'm only half way through the packages.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jul 13, 2011 11:42AM)
Yeah!!!!! excellent news :D
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 13, 2011 01:05PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-13 11:46, Paul Brook wrote:
Yes I have been packing all afternoon, and I am at the post office as I type this.

Half will be sent out today, and half tomorrow, because of the post office closing and I'm only half way through the packages.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Paul, thanks again for the updates---very much appreciated
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jul 13, 2011 02:45PM)
I have ordered this but would just like to know: do the celebs who endorse the product go on to use it in their acts or modify things in their acts as a result of the thinking behind the routine?
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jul 13, 2011 03:00PM)
A post office in the West Midlands?
Are you sure that's safe Paul?
Paul...? Paul... ...?
PAUL!?

[quote]
On 2011-07-13 11:46, Paul Brook wrote:
Yes I have been packing all afternoon, and I am at the post office as I type this.

Half will be sent out today, and half tomorrow, because of the post office closing and I'm only half way through the packages.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jul 13, 2011 03:51PM)
Ahhhhh great news!!!!
:bubbly:
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 13, 2011 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-13 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Gentlemen...the Eagle has LANDED!
[/quote]
Thanks Michael Vince.....Paul!

Excellent news. I'm sure we all made a wise investment here.

I hope this sells out soon...I said it before and I'll say it again.

Keep it secret...Keep it safe.
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jul 14, 2011 03:29AM)
Michael is a happy man, the postman dropped off a shiny new book for me to devour!

Is it lunchtime already?...

:)
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 14, 2011 03:34AM)
I am waiting by the door. Fingers crossed mine was one of those posted yesterday.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 14, 2011 03:43AM)
Taken Yesterday: This is a photo of me numbering the first copy of 'This Way Up' - http://twitpic.com/5pwk2d

I wonder who has is going to get the first copy, and it isn't me or Colin, it is one of y'all.

Right, I am off to the post office for most of the day now to send the remaining books.

'Citing!

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Simon (Ted) Edwards (Jul 14, 2011 03:53AM)
Those books have really crushed poor Rover!
Message: Posted by: ChrisWall (Jul 14, 2011 05:42AM)
Well the postman's just been. And I'm now the proud owner of one fine book.

Can't wait to jump in.

I'm number 98. I wonder who my neighbours are.

Thanks Paul and Colin!

Chris.
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 14, 2011 06:45AM)
I am not a number I am a free man! I am number 66, this is excellent and I will use this all the time now.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 14, 2011 07:49AM)
This is only half of what I'm sending today. I'm a twisted queue starter! http://twitpic.com/5pxz5l

That's just on the counter I have equal piles on the floor.

You know you have been in the post office too long when you are given coffee and biscuits...still yum though!

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jul 14, 2011 07:52AM)
My mum was complaining she couldn't get her pension.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 14, 2011 07:54AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-14 08:52, quicknotist wrote:
My mum was complaining she couldn't get her pension.
[/quote]

She's all 'take take take' while I'm all 'give give give'...she's got bad knees too hasn't she? ;)

Now that's some COLD reading!
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jul 14, 2011 07:57AM)
She's a double amputee, so I guess so...

JUST KIDDING!

[quote]
On 2011-07-14 08:54, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-14 08:52, quicknotist wrote:
My mum was complaining she couldn't get her pension.
[/quote]

She's all 'take take take' while I'm all 'give give give'...she's got bad knees too hasn't she? ;)

Now that's some COLD reading!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: markthorold (Jul 14, 2011 07:57AM)
Holy ****...thats some post ......
Message: Posted by: martinkey (Jul 14, 2011 01:35PM)
Got mine today (No 45).
What a simple but great ides for mentalism. What I like is that the idea can be adapted in many ways so that (hopefully) there will not be 202 people (includes Paul and Colin) apparantly doing the same mental effect. Thank you Paul and Colin for releasing this - I'm alreday working on ideas.
Martin
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 14, 2011 03:23PM)
Glad you guys are enjoying it!!

I can hand on heart say THIS is the thing I'm currently most proud of and use most!

I love how simple and versitile it is. You guys are going to get a LOT of pm's looking for information on this. You've paid a lot for this technique and I hope you truly see the value and keep it to yourself.

We will not be reprinting this! This is it!! If you want, you'll be the only performer you know using this. It's utterly unique and so simple, it allows you to focus on your presentation!

Love and respect to everyone who has invested in this and may it bring you many many years of awesome performances!

Col
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 14, 2011 03:57PM)
Your routine is fantastic Colin! Now I need to think about scripting my own stage version. I also had an idea for trade show work but I bet you and Paul already thought of it!, so much potential with the material.
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jul 14, 2011 05:28PM)
So I've read the book and here are MY PERSONAL thoughts, now I know both Colin and Paul have a lot of followers so don't shoot me for just being honest.

It's no help to anyone just giving this a good review because your too scared to say otherwise. I'm sure Paul and Colin will repect me more for my honesty and truthful ness.

I didn't like it, in fact I'd go further to say I hated it. And you guys who are yet to receive this are going to be so disappointed. Let me clarify a little as to my reasons for saying this -

Firstly I didn't like that they released this and didn't just share this with me alone I want this all to myself!

I really hate it that I didn't think of the idea before them it's beautifully direct.

...and if you are yet to receive the book and are expecting a nice looking book to sit on your shelf you will be disappointed as there really is a shockingly hillarious photo of Colin on the back of it (Sorry Colin).

But hey it could have been worse, if id come up with this you might have had a picture of my mug on your shelf!

On a serious note this is top stuff, great thinking and very in depth, you can tell that this routine has been used a hell of a lot and I can't wait to try it out!

I'll report back with the details when I've done so! I'm sure this will go down a storm!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 14, 2011 06:07PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-14 16:23, Colin wrote:
... You guys are going to get a LOT of pm's looking for information on this. You've paid a lot for this technique and I hope you truly see the value and keep it to yourself...
... If you want, you'll be the only performer you know using this...
[/quote]
For an unique change that would be wonderful. Jan
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 15, 2011 02:14AM)
I was gonna take the day off work today and sit and wait for the postman to arrive but thought I need the money.I'm gonna finish early and get the post before my gf does because she said shes gonna put the book away for my birthday which isn't til the end of the month!
Message: Posted by: The Paranormalist (Jul 15, 2011 04:01AM)
I'm number 36 and it gobsmackingly brilliant.

Thanks Colin and Paul
Message: Posted by: Owen Mc Ginty (Jul 15, 2011 04:08AM)
104,515 views on this thread as I type this.

I am tremendously disappointed.
I had hoped you would beat me to it, that the book would be sold out and thus save me the dilema of "do I purchase, or do I not purchase". :P

Colin - I look forward to reading!
Paul - I´d have been absolutely ripping if I´d been the next person in the queue at the post-office!
Message: Posted by: CharlieBlack (Jul 15, 2011 05:37AM)
I hope the plane can fly faster and post office to work on weekend to get this delivered across the world.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 16, 2011 04:48AM)
I'm Number 104!!! Literally just got it in the post and am now gonna read it.
Message: Posted by: runeflax (Jul 16, 2011 06:26AM)
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jul 16, 2011 08:08AM)
Aahhhhhhh yes!!
The book arrived today!
:) :) :)
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 16, 2011 09:47AM)
I just got mine this morning too... it looks even better than I thought it was going to!! Not that you should ever judge a book by its cover!

Col.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 16, 2011 10:22AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 05:48, magicman29 wrote:
I'm Number 104!!! Literally just got it in the post and am now gonna read it.
[/quote]

My copy arrived today. This is worth every penny. I am very happy with my purchase. Those that have received the book will know just how good this really is. [i]The[/i] book of 2011. Well done gentlemen.

Derek
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 16, 2011 12:04PM)
Thank you all for your kind words, and for keeping your lips nice and tight with this.

Just to remind those who are still on the fence with this. Stock is now very limited. Once the international orders begin to hit the letterboxes and other positive comments come in, I think we will sell out very swiftly.

Remember, we will never be re-printing this book...EVER!

If you don't buy a copy soon your only chance will be a second hand copy in years to come. But sadly, this book is far too attractive and nobody will physically be able to part with it...even for inflated sums of money.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 16, 2011 12:13PM)
If we all keep this a secret our investment will grow
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 16, 2011 12:33PM)
Brehaut ... totally agree!!
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 16, 2011 12:43PM)
Hey Paul, please tell me mine's on the way! I can't wait!
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 16, 2011 12:45PM)
Nique, I believe every copy bought has now been sent... unless you've bought it in the last few hours.

I need to credit Paul for dealing with all the work put in to sending them out! He has told me thought we are down to the last few, which is amazing! Thanks so much for your support and I hope you enjoy the technique as much as I always will!

Best wishes,
Col.
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jul 16, 2011 01:07PM)
Received mine today, this is a fantastic piece of work. Great stuff. Glad I purchased. My only real criticism about this book is that it smells really weird.
Message: Posted by: Simon (Ted) Edwards (Jul 16, 2011 01:10PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 14:07, Smoking Camel wrote:
Received mine today, this is a fantastic piece of work. Great stuff. Glad I purchased. My only real criticism about this book is that it smells really weird.
[/quote]

That's the anti-piracy measure. Each book smells different.
T.
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 16, 2011 01:22PM)
Hi Colin!

I actually ordered this based on your sharing in our PMs last month. Can't wait to get my hands on the book. I'm sure it'll rock.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 16, 2011 01:31PM)
I live in the US, the wait is going to kill me.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 16, 2011 02:23PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 14:07, Smoking Camel wrote:
Received mine today, this is a fantastic piece of work. Great stuff. Glad I purchased. My only real criticism about this book is that it smells really weird.
[/quote]


Really?

What does it smell of?

If it is a plastic like smell the books were shrink wrapped in transit to me.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 16, 2011 02:45PM)
Two things never happened again after that. The Sisters never laid a finger on Andy again... and Boggs never walked again.
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jul 16, 2011 03:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 15:23, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 14:07, Smoking Camel wrote:
Received mine today, this is a fantastic piece of work. Great stuff. Glad I purchased. My only real criticism about this book is that it smells really weird.
[/quote]


Really?

What does it smell of?

If it is a plastic like smell the books were shrink wrapped in transit to me.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Its not a bad smell, its like a woody type smell.... rich mahogany perhaps, because this is book is kind of a big deal. ( a lil "anchorman" reference for you, I'm just throwing it out there)

On a side note, I don't think this book will end up on a file sharing website. It would be foolish for an individual to devalue his own investment by making it available to all. But if it does I'm with Colin. I don't spend much time in the gym so I will make do with a brick from my car. (i tend to keep one in the boot, just in case)
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 16, 2011 04:53PM)
I just finished reading the book and have to say it was the best purchase I have ever made!
a lot of people here would probably like a review on it but I'm not gonna write one, as I think if you want to know what it's about then go buy it while you still can! I really don't think anyone should give a review because it deserves to be OUR best kept secret.........
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 16, 2011 04:57PM)
I agree... don't review it! There's no real point. It's not going to be available for much longer anyway :)

Col.
Message: Posted by: ChrisWall (Jul 16, 2011 05:22PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 16:16, Smoking Camel wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 15:23, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 14:07, Smoking Camel wrote:
Received mine today, this is a fantastic piece of work. Great stuff. Glad I purchased. My only real criticism about this book is that it smells really weird.
[/quote]


Really?

What does it smell of?

If it is a plastic like smell the books were shrink wrapped in transit to me.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Its not a bad smell, its like a woody type smell.... rich mahogany perhaps, because this is book is kind of a big deal. ( a lil "anchorman" reference for you, I'm just throwing it out there)

[/quote]

I'm not even mad if it smells, I'm just impressed.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 16, 2011 05:29PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-16 17:53, magicman29 wrote:
I just finished reading the book and have to say it was the best purchase I have ever made!
a lot of people here would probably like a review on it but I'm not gonna write one, as I think if you want to know what it's about then go buy it while you still can! I really don't think anyone should give a review because it deserves to be OUR best kept secret.........
[/quote]


Hi, can you check your PMs. I have sent you two with regard to having book #104...if you are who I think you are then you should have #140.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 16, 2011 05:54PM)
I did tell Paul to spray them with a scoosh of Jean Paul Gaultier 2... Mine smells like half cooked scones. As you can imagine, I've been craving cake all day. I accidently ate my book.

Col

Ps. It was delicious.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 16, 2011 10:04PM)
I thought the magic Café was about reviews to be able to make informed decisions with magicians helping magicians. It will be a few weeks but I will review this when it arrives. I'm sure both Paul and Colin can appreciate the value for further releases when customers review constructively. It also assures the product suits the style of the purchaser. Both gentlemen have solid reputations and rank highly as professionals. I'm certainly looking forward to reading this. I'm also looking forward to others reviewing this seriously
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 17, 2011 03:44AM)
Why Review it, there are only a few copies left it's not as if someone in lets say a years time is gonna check its reviews then go purchase it.if youare gonna right a review then your gonna get aload of people trying to replicate the trick and then everyone will be trying to do it! I'm all for reviews but theres a reason there was only 200 copies made and that was to keep it a secret.i always check reviews before I buy something but every now and again something like this comes along and imho I think it should be kept a secret.....as I said that's only my opinion.......
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jul 17, 2011 04:24AM)
I won't review if the copies are sold, but I don't see a reason not to when there is still something left to sell. Of course, there are things in there that need to be kept secret, but I think you can both keep the secret and review at the same time...
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 17, 2011 05:06AM)
A review about the quality of a product has got nothing to do with revealing the techniques or methods
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 17, 2011 05:24AM)
I'm sure this book will sell out soon. There are many happy customers that grabbed a pre-order copy based on the reputations of Brook and McLeod. I certainly won't review this. I will say that it's solid workable material. It's not just a couple of routines but also a method that will allow your imagination to run riot. It's an investment that every investor would, I imagine, want to keep very much for themselves. Only 200 (+2) magicians performing this worldwide would be very advantageous. Buy it! (If you really must! LOL)

FYI - I got copy #104 :)
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 17, 2011 05:29AM)
I won't review it either, we need to keep it between us. The book has given me a headache with all the ideas and routines I have been thinking up.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 17, 2011 05:38AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 06:24, kinesis wrote:
I'm sure this book will sell out soon. There are many happy customers that grabbed a pre-order copy based on the reputations of Brook and McLeod. I certainly won't review this. I will say that it's solid workable material. It's not just a couple of routines but also a method that will allow your imagination to run riot. It's an investment that every investor would, I imagine, want to keep very much for themselves. Only 200 (+2) magicians performing this worldwide would be very advantageous. Buy it! (If you really must! LOL)

FYI - I got copy #104 :)

My mistake,i got copy number 140.paul thought he had sent me two copies!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 08:29AM)
I've been asked by a few people if I performed 'This Way Up' on Penn and Teller this coming Saturday. I did not, so don't worry!! You're investment is remaining secret.

As I've said else where, while the This Way Up technique is unlike anything else on the market, it isn't necessarily a magician fooler. But it was never meant to be! It was intended to be as simple as possible to allow you to focus on the mind reading process.

This Way Up is the staple routine of my stage show, it has been for at least the past two years and it will be for a very VERY long time to come!

The routine I performed on Penn and Teller ... you'll see on Saturday! :D

Thanks to everyone for their messages of support for both 'This Way Up' and 'Penn and Teller'. You guys are simple phenomenal and so glad you are valuing the technique so much! Those of you who have it already I'm sure are already thinking of many ways to apply this to your own act!

Much love!
Col.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 17, 2011 08:38AM)
Just Want to clarify that my copy is number 140 not number 104 as I stated it in one of my posts.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 08:43AM)
Magicman ... that's hilarious! Paul phoned me up in a panic yesterday thinking he'd gone crazy and written 104 over and over again! Turns out we're all good though!

Thanks for letting us know ;)

Col.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 17, 2011 08:45AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 09:38, magicman29 wrote:
Just Want to clarify that my copy is number 140 not number 104 as I stated it in one of my posts.
[/quote]


Thanks for clearing that up :)

So shall we all change our usernames to reflect our numbers :P
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jul 17, 2011 09:41AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 09:45, Paul Brook wrote:
So shall we all change our usernames to reflect our numbers :P
[/quote] Not a chance. I don't want to agree and find out I have a rubbish number like 23 or something.
Let's wait until I get my book delivered before we do anything weird...
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 17, 2011 10:13AM)
It would be like being in the Village! Now, how is number one?!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 17, 2011 10:30AM)
Why is number 23 a "rubbish number"? That number is the basis of a whole part of my act and, as any Robert Anton Wilson fan can tell you, is one of the most amazing numbers there is.

:eek:

Good thoughts,

Bob
Message: Posted by: McCoy (Jul 17, 2011 10:58AM)
Ah yes, the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_enigma]23 Enigma[/url]

Oh, and [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/23-fascinating-facts-about-the-number-twentythree-437520.html]23 fascinating facts about the number 23[/url]
Message: Posted by: wilko7 (Jul 17, 2011 11:07AM)
Looking forward to getting my hands on my copy. Was hoping it would have arrived on Friday (for the weekend) I'm sure it will be here tomorrow. The weekend has gone so slowly!!
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 17, 2011 11:44AM)
I was born on December [b]23[/b]rd :dance:
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Jul 17, 2011 11:47AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 11:30, mastermindreader wrote:
Why is number 23 a "rubbish number"? That number is the basis of a whole part of my act and, as any Robert Anton Wilson fan can tell you, is one of the most amazing numbers there is.

:eek:

Good thoughts,

Bob
[/quote]

Agreed!

Just ask Jim Carrey...

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809356682/info
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 17, 2011 01:04PM)
I was born feb 1st.

....3..minus 2...equals 1..for feb 1st!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 17, 2011 01:12PM)
I was born on June 23rd! (Really)
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 01:28PM)
Last year I was 23 years old. Spooky.
Message: Posted by: runeflax (Jul 17, 2011 01:45PM)
There are 23 pages of advertisement in this way up!
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 02:37PM)
That was on purpose Runeflax :P ... and not included the in the page count on the site! :D

Col.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Quinn (Jul 17, 2011 03:02PM)
I was born November 22. My birth certificate has a strange little annotation in the corner that says "Off by one."
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Jul 17, 2011 03:08PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 15:37, Colin wrote:
That was on purpose Runeflax :P ... and not included the in the page count on the site! :D

Col.
[/quote]

on that note..... "know sh*t".... ????
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 03:09PM)
Know Sh*t is on the way.. I just keep writing more and more in it.

It's probably going to be my last book for a while, but won't be out now for a while yet!

Col
Message: Posted by: runeflax (Jul 17, 2011 03:23PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 15:37, Colin wrote:
and not included the in the page count on the site! :D
[/quote]

How about the 81 blank pages? :-P


Just kidding. I don't care how many blank pages there are. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Colin's routine is probably the most brilliant thing I've come across in a very long time...

Hope that sentence makes any sense...

Best regards from Germany,
Florian
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 17, 2011 03:45PM)
They're on purpose for it to look beautiful and be an actual book! :P

Hope you enjoyed everything that was in there though!!

Col
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jul 17, 2011 03:49PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 11:30, mastermindreader wrote:
Why is number 23 a "rubbish number"? That number is the basis of a whole part of my act and, as any Robert Anton Wilson fan can tell you, is one of the most amazing numbers there is.

:eek:

Good thoughts,

Bob
[/quote] Just kidding. Actually 23 is rather interesting. :P
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Jul 17, 2011 08:30PM)
Hey for those who purchase the book. What if no one writes a review and we all keep the secret??

Writting a review I guess is either to recommend it to the rest of the comunnity so they can buy it or it could be a constructive critic. The more critics or reviews the more information is available then the less is going to be the value of our investment.

There is only going to be 200 copies which are almost sold out. The less information we post the more underground the secret will become and the higher the value of our investment is going to be.

When they review the trick they always tip to much information that creates speculation and can spoil the secret.

Think about.

Joaquin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 17, 2011 09:57PM)
That is something to think about. hmmmm....
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jul 18, 2011 12:50AM)
Has anyone in America received it?
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jul 18, 2011 01:59AM)
Why worry, Joaquin? By the time I finished reading the book, there will probably be no copies left anyway, meaning there is no longer a reason to review.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 18, 2011 05:47AM)
Exactly what I was saying!!
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 18, 2011 09:09AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-17 16:23, runeflax wrote:
the more I realize that Colin's routine is probably the most brilliant thing I've come across in a very long time...

Hope that sentence makes any sense...
[/quote]

How long is a very long time for you?
What have you read and what are you background/knowledege?
Message: Posted by: Patr!ck (Jul 18, 2011 09:22AM)
Yeesssssss, it's Christmas :) The book has arrived.
I've number 79 :)
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jul 18, 2011 09:28AM)
Where are you from Patrick?

:)
Message: Posted by: Patr!ck (Jul 18, 2011 09:35AM)
Hey José,
I'm from Germany and can't wait to read it :-D
Message: Posted by: Patrick2409 (Jul 18, 2011 11:19AM)
Germany sounds good. Maybe mine has arrived as well ;-)
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 18, 2011 11:42AM)
Everybody is mentalist in Germany nowadays my goodness !
Jan Forster be carefull ! the concurrence is there! lol
Message: Posted by: Patr!ck (Jul 18, 2011 11:48AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-18 12:42, parmenion wrote:
Everybody is mentalist in Germany nowadays my goodness !
Jan Forster be carefull ! the concurrence is there! lol
[/quote]

Lol ;-)
Message: Posted by: wilko7 (Jul 18, 2011 12:00PM)
Got my book today. No.106. Haven't had a chance to look at it yet but I've smelt it!! As an earlier post said it does have a strange scent. To me it smells like fish and Chips in the wrapper. Might be something to do with the quality/type of paper used!!!
May need to give it an air before I read it or my tummy will be rumbling the whole time.
Can't wait to have a read.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 18, 2011 12:51PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-18 12:42, parmenion wrote:
Everybody is mentalist in Germany nowadays my goodness !
Jan Forster be carefull ! the concurrence is there! lol
[/quote]
That's why I got the book already Saturday, in order to keep up... ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: Stefan O. (Jul 18, 2011 02:19PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-18 13:51, JanForster wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-18 12:42, parmenion wrote:
Everybody is mentalist in Germany nowadays my goodness !
Jan Forster be carefull ! the concurrence is there! lol
[/quote]
That's why I got the book already Saturday, in order to keep up... ;) Jan
[/quote]

Gee... seems I am late as usual.... mine hasn't arrived yet.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 18, 2011 02:42PM)
I'm looking forward to doing some shows in Munich next week... please no one perform it there until after next week! :P

Col.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 19, 2011 05:58AM)
I just read this through for the third time. I am very impressed by the detail in the walk-through of the performances from both Brook and McLeod. Every detail is there, audience management, scripting, subtleties, justification for everything you say and do. This is a truly exceptional piece. Very powerful mindreading indeed. Some of the ideas using members of the audience to extend the besic effect found in the second half of the book were astonishing.

Derek
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jul 19, 2011 07:29AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-18 15:42, Colin wrote:
I'm looking forward to doing some shows in Munich next week... please no one perform it there until after next week! :P

Col.
[/quote]

Hey Colin, what do you think about lecturing in Berlin? :)
Still waiting for mine to arrive...

regards,
Martin
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Jul 19, 2011 08:32AM)
I am No.1! Which I hope means that I was the first to put faith in Colin and Paul's talents and pre-order (I suspect it has rather more to do with the fact that I live in the UK and therefore sorting out the postage was easier than for the rest of you). No review as such, but just to say it is a beautifully put together book - binding, quality of pages, and cover and chapter art done in Paul's unique style (nevermind the spelling mistake on the first inside page - sorry Paul, I know you're usually fastidious in your attention to detail). When you pay good money for something, it is always nice to have it well presented no matter how valuable the material inside, and Paul and Colin have done just that.

I confess that I only made it through the first two sections last night (2am after a wedding at the weekend and my eyes gave up on me), but am very pleased with what I have read thus far. I suspected that a variation on the actual mechanics might be at work after only reading the presentation, but that has neither dulled my enthusiasm for the product, nor made me regret the ease with which I parted with my money. Indeed I rather suspect that having read only Paul's presentation I may have already got my money's worth.

As a psychologist, Paul has a unique take on his presentations, which I imagine never fail to engage his spectators and readers alike. He uses presentations that, in the absence of any feats mind reading, would themselves be thoroughly engaging. I suggest that that is something we all aspire to do.

Will
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Jul 19, 2011 08:33AM)
For those buyers who also have Whisper - are the two in any way compatible?
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jul 19, 2011 08:42AM)
Ragingcalm's question was one I considered asking myself... I wonder if Ken, Paul or Colin could shine a light on this.
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Jul 19, 2011 08:44AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 09:32, ragingcalm wrote:
As a psychologist, Paul has a unique take on his presentations, which I imagine never fail to engage his spectators and readers alike. He uses presentations that, in the absence of any feats mind reading, would themselves be thoroughly engaging. I suggest that that is something we all aspire to do.
[/quote] I always love Paul Brook great presentation patter "in writing" but was really disappointed when saw clip of him performing. I guess that some are great writer/creator and some are great performer!
Message: Posted by: Owen Mc Ginty (Jul 19, 2011 08:50AM)
Psssssssssst what´s whisper?
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jul 19, 2011 08:56AM)
Craic lads?

Ah clips can be hit and miss...every performer has off days or even the audience can be more reserved one day than the next, plus you cant beat seeing a performer live doing his proper show rather than just an odd clip.

I got the book and love it (I don't tend to buy much anymore). Very clever stuff now in fairness and well worth the investment. Im at the comedy club Thursday night so will give it a go with my own strange presentation on it.

I don't own Whisper but Colin's spec as mindreader piece is fantastic, I doubt you would get stronger and bearing in mind there is a lot more going on here such as Paul's routine, colin's direct mindreading routine along with subtleties,performance tips etc etc You could do a 30 minute presentation no problem with the thoughts in this book.

Sound!

Pete
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 19, 2011 09:10AM)
It is great. I am halfway through creating a 15 minute stage piece using the methods in the book. I have the first draft of my close-up presentation and I am happy with that so far. If you have not got this yet then try not to miss out if possible. It really is as good as people are saying.
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jul 19, 2011 09:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 09:56, Pete Legend wrote:
I don't own Whisper but Colin's spec as mindreader piece is fantastic, I doubt you would get stronger and bearing in mind there is a lot more going on here such as Paul's routine, colin's direct mindreading routine along with subtleties,performance tips etc etc You could do a 30 minute presentation no problem with the thoughts in this book.
[/quote]
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 09:33, ragingcalm wrote:
For those buyers who also have Whisper - are the two in any way compatible?
[/quote]
This book absolutely tops Whisper in almost every aspect. Though two completely different methods and outcomes. The spectator as a mindreader that Colin describes in TWU is as clean as it get's for an audience where people don't know each other. On the other hand: Whisper can be used in the most intimate circumstances without anyone getting any wiser. That's all I can say without saying to much. If you want to buy one or the other, buy TWU if you won't perform in Belgium ;-). You won't be dissapointed. You could however also combine both methods if you wish to do so. You could gain the information using the TWU-method and reveal it using Whisper.
Anyway both methods have there place in mentalism.
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 19, 2011 10:18AM)
Both are very different!

But glad someone else mentioned it first before I had to :)

Both are worth knowing as they have their own merits.

Best wishes,
Col.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 19, 2011 10:42AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 10:46, Bartelli wrote:
On the other hand: Whisper can be used in the most intimate circumstances without anyone getting any wiser. [/quote]
That's really debatable!!
But as this thread's about TWU let's not digress...
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 19, 2011 02:55PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 09:44, Stefmagic wrote:
I always love Paul Brook great presentation patter "in writing" but was really disappointed when saw clip of him performing. I guess that some are great writer/creator and some are great performer!
[/quote]


Thank you first of all for the kind words :)

Secondly, my videos are pretty naff and not a correct reflection of me as a performer. They are about 6 years old now and the material on them was not from my regular performances, so wasn't scripted or rehearsed much at the time of filming.

Equally, there was a serious personal issue that I had with the production company, where they tried to rip me off by double charging. As a result, release forms were 'lost' and the material that I asked them to send over of regular routines that I had performed was also 'lost'. Some of the footage I have on the internet was filmed after this company has tried to rip me off, and neither I, or the company, wanted to be doing it. They gave me time restrictions and the whole thing was a chore.

Fear not!

I am currently planning a new show reel, that will be up-to-date. Which should be ready in the near future.

I guess what I am saying is, "don't judge me on those very old videos" :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jul 20, 2011 04:59AM)
No.92 has finally landed.. :D
Message: Posted by: Owen Mc Ginty (Jul 20, 2011 05:52AM)
Mine arrived on monday, just 3 days after ordering, but I wont get my hands on it until late in the evening of the 1st of August. Patience is a virtue.
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jul 20, 2011 07:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-20 05:59, ArtIn wrote:
No.92 has finally landed.. :D
[/quote]
Hey neighbour. I have no.93, landed on monday.
Message: Posted by: nique (Jul 20, 2011 09:51AM)
72 has arrived... the book smells... truly funky.

Gone thru the material; it really is a lesson in remembering what really matters in the performance at the end of the day. Thank you both for the reminder. Colin was kind enough, in our numerous PMs, to chat about TWU and I roughly knew what I was getting, as I was playing with something similar at one time but subsequently abandoned the idea.

I must say he has pushed this to an extent that I never thought possible - great stuff Colin.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 20, 2011 11:41AM)
Would some of you mention where you are from that got yours? Just a gauge to know when I'll get mine :)
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Jul 20, 2011 12:14PM)
Royal Mail from the UK to the US takes 3 to 4 weeks.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 20, 2011 12:19PM)
Mine also !
Number 201
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 20, 2011 12:19PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-20 13:14, Joaquin wrote:
Royal Mail from the UK to the US takes 3 to 4 weeks.
[/quote] I know that with RSVP w/royal mail it takes maybe a week or so. Hearing 3-4 weeks made my heart stop... Impromptu no gimmicks.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 20, 2011 12:21PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-20 13:19, parmenion wrote:
Mine also !
Number 201
[/quote]
201.. How is that possible?

Is there something Paul is hiding from us?? Lol
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 20, 2011 12:46PM)
Nope, mine is special, it does also Himber and it's not printed but the whole book is writes with a NW, so I can add some NW for prediction myself.
Message: Posted by: overflow (Jul 20, 2011 02:00PM)
.......the book arrived today in Italy too, and I am the first......for three times! I have number 111 :)

Now it's the right time to start reading this great piece of work.

Thanks so much to Paul for the support he gave me and for the kind dedication written on the book.....and of course a special greeting and compliments to Colin.

Regards
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Jul 20, 2011 02:30PM)
Alternative response:

Yo momma never complained about his performance.

[quote]
On 2011-07-19 15:55, Paul Brook wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-19 09:44, Stefmagic wrote:
I always love Paul Brook great presentation patter "in writing" but was really disappointed when saw clip of him performing. I guess that some are great writer/creator and some are great performer!
[/quote]


Thank you first of all for the kind words :)

Secondly, my videos are pretty naff and not a correct reflection of me as a performer. They are about 6 years old now and the material on them was not from my regular performances, so wasn't scripted or rehearsed much at the time of filming.

Equally, there was a serious personal issue that I had with the production company, where they tried to rip me off by double charging. As a result, release forms were 'lost' and the material that I asked them to send over of regular routines that I had performed was also 'lost'. Some of the footage I have on the internet was filmed after this company has tried to rip me off, and neither I, or the company, wanted to be doing it. They gave me time restrictions and the whole thing was a chore.

Fear not!

I am currently planning a new show reel, that will be up-to-date. Which should be ready in the near future.

I guess what I am saying is, "don't judge me on those very old videos" :)

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 20, 2011 06:42PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-20 15:30, quicknotist wrote:
Alternative response:

Yo momma never complained about his performance.
[/quote]

Was that the young looking lady falling asleep? Or hypnotized? Jan
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Jul 20, 2011 08:14PM)
Who cares about reading this book? I just can't wait to receive it so I can smell it and see what all the fuss is about!
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jul 20, 2011 09:52PM)
#147 Vancouver.

d
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jul 21, 2011 12:17AM)
Correction... #142.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 21, 2011 07:06AM)
Just an update to say that some of the books heading to the US have landed. So the wait for the American contingent shouldn't be too much longer :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 21, 2011 07:07AM)
Oh, and we are on the very cusp of selling out, possibly even by the end of this week.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 21, 2011 08:21AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 08:06, Paul Brook wrote:
Just an update to say that some of the books heading to the US have landed. So the wait for the American contingent shouldn't be too much longer :)

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

Meaning landed their (UK) and are going to be sent out? Correct?
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 21, 2011 08:43AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 09:21, RNK wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 08:06, Paul Brook wrote:
Just an update to say that some of the books heading to the US have landed. So the wait for the American contingent shouldn't be too much longer :)

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]


Meaning landed their (UK) and are going to be sent out? Correct?
[/quote]




No I mean have landed on the doorsteps of American buyers :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 21, 2011 08:46AM)
Paul- correct me if I'm wrong, but you said it takes approximately 2-4 weeks to ship to the US?

Thanks,
RNK
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 21, 2011 09:06AM)
Yes, it can take that long. However, sometimes the Gods of the postal system all align and a small wormhole appears that transports the item directly to the buyers mailbox...or something like that!

A few US buyers had emailed me this morning to say that they had received their books. Therefore, since the books were all shipped within the same week it is a bellwether for delivery estimations.

Hope all of that was clear ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 21, 2011 09:14AM)
Yes- Thank You! I saw that the moon and sun along with the axis coordinates of the Earths position to the UK Postal system from which my copy was sent is supposed to align on the date of July 25, 2011. So I expect the wormhole to be fully open at this time from which my copy will be zipped directly to it's destination-will let you know on July 25.

Best,
RNK
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 21, 2011 09:15AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 08:07, Paul Brook wrote:
Oh, and we are on the very cusp of selling out, possibly even by the end of this week.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]

selfishly I am looking forward to the announcement of the sellout
Message: Posted by: Colin (Jul 21, 2011 09:42AM)
I do believe that Paul has now sent out ever book bought. And from this point forward, any not posted within 24 hours of purchase, Paul gets whipped by me.

... He keeps posting them out late. Kinky sod.

Thanks to everyone for the amazing feedback on here and on my facebook and twitter! Truly means a lot that you value my easily most used routine!

Rock and roll!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 21, 2011 09:52AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 10:15, brehaut wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 08:07, Paul Brook wrote:
Oh, and we are on the very cusp of selling out, possibly even by the end of this week.

Cheers,

-Paul
[/quote]



selfishly I am looking forward to the announcement of the sellout
[/quote]


You could always pool your cash and buy up the remaining copies ;)
Message: Posted by: Sicorace (Jul 21, 2011 10:08AM)
Just received mine!

reading the foreword right now, I'll give my impressions asap!
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 21, 2011 10:25AM)
Just got mine---#5!
Message: Posted by: Hood (Jul 21, 2011 01:22PM)
#126 just arrive in California.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 21, 2011 01:48PM)
Reading it now---this is exactly the kind of thing I hoped it would be. Direct, easy to do, etc. Extremely happy
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 21, 2011 01:52PM)
Everyone is getting theirs... Where is mine Paul? I want my book now, give it to me, it's mine....my precious..
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 21, 2011 02:54PM)
You're young you can wait :)
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (Jul 21, 2011 07:02PM)
I so hope this arrives today
before I hop onto a cruise ship and head into the South Seas
so I can study it sprawled on a deck chair.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 21, 2011 07:09PM)
I'm for certain mine will come tomorrow. I'm in between Vancouver and California :D
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Jul 22, 2011 12:40AM)
No.144 Has landed safely in Melbourne, Australia.

Thank you chaps.
Message: Posted by: false_shuffle (Jul 22, 2011 01:44AM)
#148 arrived. Really looking forward to doing a review after the read.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 22, 2011 02:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-22 02:44, false_shuffle wrote:
#148 arrived. Really looking forward to doing a review after the read.
[/quote]
Please don't.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Quinn (Jul 22, 2011 02:53AM)
Since everyone is posting their numbers, I propose a little psychic contest for those of us who haven't gotten them yet: predict which number you'll get! Of course we already have a fair number of them eliminated, but there are still enough left to make it a good challenge. Correct predictions must provide photographic proof.

I'll go with my usual lucky number, 88. (Maybe a bit of a cliche for a pianist, but it works for me.) Who else is man (or woman) enough to venture a prediction?
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 22, 2011 02:57AM)
Joshua, the number 88 is devoted to Docc Hilford :)
Message: Posted by: Owen Mc Ginty (Jul 22, 2011 03:31AM)
87, and on the back it´ll say "off by one"
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 22, 2011 04:50AM)
I think I'll be 44
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 22, 2011 06:29AM)
I will be #164.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jul 22, 2011 07:44AM)
Enjoying the book very very much. Let me reiteriate to those who purchased. Part of the price of the book is the exclusivity. I have no problem with people saying they like it, don't like it or anything general. But I would urge those who get it to be extremely ambigious regarding every aspect of the effect. This will sell out, so there is no reason anyone needs any type of detail since they will not be making a decision whether to purchase it. Instead those who did not purchase the book will be trying to duplicate the effect or discover the method or just curious. This is our investment and we had the foresight to purchase this wonderful book. Lets protect our investment, keep this to ourselves and let the buzz and myth grow regarding what I believe is one of the strongest effects I have purchased.
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jul 22, 2011 07:53AM)
Performed it last night, it went down unreal well. The gasps alone made the purchase worthwhile. I had great craic performing the piece..first of many performances of it :) Thanks lads!
Message: Posted by: Cristobal (Jul 22, 2011 07:57AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-22 03:53, Quinn wrote:
Since everyone is posting their numbers, I propose a little psychic contest for those of us who haven't gotten them yet: predict which number you'll get!
[/quote]

Hmm, I propose numerology reads :)
Message: Posted by: Stefan O. (Jul 22, 2011 08:50AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-22 08:53, Pete Legend wrote:
Performed it last night, it went down unreal well. The gasps alone made the purchase worthwhile. I had great craic performing the piece..first of many performances of it :) Thanks lads!
[/quote]

Pete,

did you do Colin's stage version or rather the close-up performance?

Stefan
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jul 22, 2011 09:04AM)
Hey Stefan,

How's the craic? Did the stage version, went down great in fairness!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 22, 2011 09:45AM)
Just put my order in.
I'm designing a new stage show for January.

I hope I get the same reactions as you did Pete

Steve
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jul 22, 2011 10:08AM)
Hey Steve,

You will love it, I used a crystal ball last night and played mystic role within my comedy set.I was making people laugh with pretty insane predictions, conversing with my spirit guide and so on..when I switched to genuine psychic mode (using methods from the book) I got gasps and comments that I cant type here :D No hype from me, just imagine being able to read minds of 3 or 4 people in the audience..they don't come on stage and you don't go down to them either. It's good stuff and 100% practical. I cant imagine anyone not loving it :)

Have a good one!

Pete
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 22, 2011 10:12AM)
That's it guys- SOLD OUT!





























Well not just yet...but VERY SOON!

If you just got a feeling of remorse then perhaps you need to grab one of the very last copies.

We're into single digits now, and the weekend sales are starting to pick-up. This may be your last chance.

Good luck and Godspeed!

-Paul
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 22, 2011 10:23AM)
I have been using the close-up version (still writing the stage version) and has been the highlight of the set.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 22, 2011 10:34AM)
Ah! so the question is what do you do in you set if a totally new effect is the best of you classic set???
It's also the highlight of my set and I know the next Paul's effect will be the next highlight of my set and so on :)
Joke besides, I like this book.
Btw, I have a very low number ;-)
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 22, 2011 10:52AM)
I think the way I scripted it makes it seem special and interesting. I do take your point though, but something about this is making it popular. I do have the AREA book test in the strolling set.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jul 22, 2011 07:25PM)
I just purchased this and Book of Lies based on a recommendation from S. Ward.

Im really looking forward to reading both books, I have heard nothing but good things about both.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 23, 2011 01:04AM)
You will love them. This material is first class and I use it to pay the bills!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 23, 2011 07:51AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-23 02:04, S.WARD wrote:
You will love them. This material is first class and I use it to pay the bills!
[/quote]


I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Both of the effects are real working effects that both Colin and me have used for quite some time to EARN REAL MONEY!

Magician fooling is a the folly of those who perform mainly for magicians. This material has been honed in the real world and it plays amazingly well in the real world. Equally, both Colin and I have included all of the subtleties and psychology that make these effects play even stronger and become more deceptive when performed for the laity.

This material will earn you money AND be entertaining.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 23, 2011 09:04PM)
103
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 24, 2011 01:46AM)
Looks very interesting indeed. Should be sold out already so those in the other camp can only speculate.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 25, 2011 03:03AM)
Just to clarify we still have a few copies left and HAVE NOT sold out yet.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Natural Mystic (Jul 25, 2011 05:29AM)
# 109

Sunny Afghanistan

Yeah! Baby!
Message: Posted by: David Rhodes (Jul 26, 2011 01:34AM)
I gont mine today and it did not come with a number.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 26, 2011 02:12AM)
David, I have sent you a PM regarding this.

You are #150

I had a system, so I am really shocked that I missed one. must have been due to the volume that I numbered them.

Well #199 and #200 are still up for 'grabs', any takers?

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 26, 2011 03:09AM)
Actually, who wants the last copy, #200?

http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm

Good Luck :)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: David Rhodes (Jul 26, 2011 03:13AM)
Thanks paul I just found it then I was looking for a note on the inside cover or something
Message: Posted by: Kirjava (Jul 26, 2011 03:34AM)
And... I should have the last one =)
Can't wait to see this!
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 26, 2011 04:24AM)
Well, they've all gone? No real need to write a review of it then ;-) Cheers PB+CMc, you've just saved me a good half hour of typing.
Phill
Message: Posted by: Kirjava (Jul 26, 2011 04:31AM)
Hmm.. It think you should still write one. It's always good to hype a future collector's item ;)
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 26, 2011 04:41AM)
Thanks Kirjava, I was planning on doing some work today, but, you know, since you asked...

Phill
Message: Posted by: Kirjava (Jul 26, 2011 05:56AM)
*** it's the first time suggestion worked. Does it event count being on the Café though ? :P
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 26, 2011 05:58AM)
That's it, that's it! It's all over! The Wonka Contest is all over! The fifth and final ticket has been found, and we've got a live report coming in directly now from Paraguay, South America.

Actually that should read:

That's it, that's it! It's all over! 'This Way Up' has sold out and it is all over! The two hundredth and final book has been sold, and we've got a live report coming in directly now from Ermont, France.


Thank you all for trusting in us and for 'selling out' this product. Only 200 people need to know the secret and it will stay that way as long as you guys wish it to be so. Don't field questions, and treat it as 'classified' 'need to know' stuff, which it is.

No more admittance - if your names not on the list, you're never getting in ;)

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Jul 26, 2011 06:32AM)
Huge big smiley thing
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 26, 2011 06:43AM)
Ditto!
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 26, 2011 07:44AM)
:band: :dancing: :cucumber: :pepper:
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jul 26, 2011 07:47AM)
Kiraja are you still looking for a wallet for mentalist? lol
Message: Posted by: Kirjava (Jul 26, 2011 07:58AM)
Already told you a couple times I found it ;)
Go work on your mnemonics :P
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jul 26, 2011 08:14AM)
I don't think there should be any more public reviews. Rather those of us who have this should set up a room, with tissues.
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 26, 2011 09:26AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-26 09:14, bobser wrote:
I don't think there should be any more public reviews. Rather those of us who have this should set up a room, with tissues.
[/quote]


I could set up a room on the 'Paul Brook' forum if people think it would be beneficial?

What do ya'll think?

-Paul
Message: Posted by: S.WARD (Jul 26, 2011 09:41AM)
Yep!
Message: Posted by: Patr!ck (Jul 26, 2011 09:48AM)
That would be great!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 26, 2011 10:32AM)
That would be a nice addition.
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (Jul 26, 2011 10:37AM)
I'd like to see that too!
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jul 26, 2011 11:31AM)
Yes Paul.

Please let us know where to go for the forum.

Alex
Message: Posted by: big dan (Jul 26, 2011 05:34PM)
Did I win? Did I win? :rotf:

I think I must have nabbed one of the last copies on offer! Ordered last night and this morning I refreshed the page and it was sold out! I wonder number I've got? Can't wait to receive this!

All I can say is thank you emergency credit card!
Message: Posted by: ChrisWall (Jul 26, 2011 05:57PM)
Yes a room would be a good idea!

Chris.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jul 26, 2011 05:58PM)
I got copy 190, its on its way to me now.

Alex
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 26, 2011 06:15PM)
Your unbiased review is most welcome here BMW Guy.

Decomp
Texas
Message: Posted by: Sanj Singh (Jul 26, 2011 06:20PM)
Rarely I am this pleased with any magical purchase. Simply phenomenal. Bloody brilliant.

As a working restaurant magician, I hardly ever add or remove anything from my repertoire without careful considerations and loads of thinking; however, the idea and concept from "This Way Up," has already been road-tested (by myself) successfully and will be used every time I perform from now on.

With much satisfaction,

-Sanj
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 26, 2011 06:38PM)
Where have you been all my life Sanji?

Seriously, another good review for this release.

Decomp
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 27, 2011 04:36AM)
Number 187 just touched down in Holland!!!!

The wife is going to be a bit miffed when I tell her "no sex tonight honey, I'm busy"

Steve
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 27, 2011 04:38AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-27 05:36, steveline wrote:
Number 187 just touched down in Holland!!!!

The wife is going to be a bit miffed when I tell her "no sex tonight honey, I'm busy"

Steve
[/quote]

LOL! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jul 27, 2011 08:21AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-26 10:26, Paul Brook wrote:
I could set up a room on the 'Paul Brook' forum if people think it would be beneficial?

What do ya'll think?

-Paul
[/quote]
like! :thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 27, 2011 09:20AM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-27 05:36, steveline wrote:
Number 187 just touched down in Holland!!!!

The wife is going to be a bit miffed when I tell her "no sex tonight honey, I'm busy"

Steve
[/quote]
You should give your back a rest anyway...
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 27, 2011 09:33AM)
Well I went to the physio this morning and the back is a lot better now.
Though I think three days lying down and the pills probably did more than the physio actually.

But thanks for your concern. :)

steve
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jul 27, 2011 04:13PM)
I will post my review when I receive the book and have read it fully.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 27, 2011 11:06PM)
Thanks Alex.....just in case some will be floating around laters....

Decomp
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 28, 2011 12:26AM)
I see it's sold out!

Keep it secret, keep it safe.
Message: Posted by: horganpaul (Jul 28, 2011 03:53PM)
185 arrived , Cork , Ireland.
Lokks good , it'll be better with a bit of road testing though ;)
Message: Posted by: sbays (Jul 28, 2011 06:43PM)
Well, I got a chance to use this during a show this past week. I threw my own twists into it, but kept it pretty much on target with the original routine. I will tell you this .. it KILLED!!!! I know that's a way overused term in our circles, but it really had a powerful impact.

Fellow owners of TWU .. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep this to yourselves. Don't even give other performers hints as to how it might be done. Protect your investment.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 28, 2011 08:12PM)
Thanks for sharing Sbay....looks like a winner!
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 28, 2011 08:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-28 19:43, sbays wrote:
Well, I got a chance to use this during a show this past week. I threw my own twists into it, but kept it pretty much on target with the original routine. I will tell you this .. it KILLED!!!! I know that's a way overused term in our circles, but it really had a powerful impact.

Fellow owners of TWU .. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep this to yourselves. Don't even give other performers hints as to how it might be done. Protect your investment.
[/quote]

If you do it for fellow magicians, chances are they will guess the method. So hopefully this will not be the effect you show at your next magic club meeting. Personally I never intend to perform this if I think a magician lurks nearby. I'm sitting on this one. It's gold.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jul 28, 2011 08:53PM)
:( I am still waiting for my book.
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Jul 28, 2011 09:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-26 19:20, Sanj Singh wrote:
As a working restaurant magician, I hardly ever add or remove anything from my repertoire without careful considerations and loads of thinking; however, the idea and concept from "This Way Up," has already been road-tested (by myself) successfully and will be used every time I perform from now on.

-Sanj
[/quote] "This way up" perform by a restaurant magician... I didn't get it! It will just be seeing like another magic trick! It's too good to be seeing like this!
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 29, 2011 04:22AM)
Hi Everyone,

In order to create a place where all the owners of the book can speak freely about it with other owners, I have created a password protected board on my forum.

You can access my forum here: http://paulbrook.proboards.com/

Once you sign up, the 'This Way Up' board is towards the bottom of the page, and gives you instructions on where to find the password.

Look forward to seeing you all there and reading your amazing ideas.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Jul 29, 2011 04:39AM)
Just sign in. I didn´t know that you had a forum Paul. Like it :) I also want to thank you and Colin for giving out this book. It is the best mentlism book I have read for a very long time, and finaly a book with effects I can actually use in the show. Probably as an closer for the show. The effect is very strong and for the layman it must be insane to to witness this miracle (in a good way) :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Brook (Jul 29, 2011 10:46AM)
Had a few messages about the password not working.

You MUST add a SPACE between the two words, otherwise it won't let you in.

Cheers,

-Paul
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Aug 7, 2011 12:12AM)
I am sorry but I have a hard time making the gimmick for Colins version. I think the description in the book is incomplete. Did anyone had the same problem? or it is just me.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 7, 2011 01:41AM)
Hope you can get it to work Joaquin. Sure someone here can help ya out.
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Aug 7, 2011 01:54AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-07 01:12, Joaquin wrote:
I am sorry but I have a hard time making the gimmick for Colins version. I think the description in the book is incomplete. Did anyone had the same problem? or it is just me.
[/quote]

You should try and ask the same question in Paul´s forum. http://paulbrook.proboards.com/.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Aug 7, 2011 06:46AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-07 01:12, Joaquin wrote:
I am sorry but I have a hard time making the gimmick for Colins version. I think the description in the book is incomplete. Did anyone had the same problem? or it is just me.
[/quote]

I had no problem to making the gimmick of colin version but with the brook's version , yes.
I think also there's a problem in the description, Paul writes it in English and I'm not native of U.K
Besides the pictures are in black and whites and I have some problem with my eyes I can't see well then it's not in color.
Joaquin, I know what I tell you will be hard to hear but YES, it's just you :)
The mechanism is so basics I suspect you to be totally new in the field of magic in general.
I think this book is the moszt detailled book about how make the gimmick !
Joaquin you worry me. lol
How old are you?
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Aug 7, 2011 12:05PM)
Parmenion I am not new. I am probably older than you. I have been studying magic for 8 years. Thanks for asking. IN fact I think I meet you in a coin magic seminar in PA with David Roth about 4 or 5 year ago

Without trying to expose to much information, Colins version can be applied to three people at the same time with one single you know what correct. If you read through his whole section and especially the chapter of "construction" nothing is mentioned about how to make the (you know what) for three people. He only mentions how to make it for one person as Pauls.

According to his perfomance the same you know what can be used for three people. Please tell me in which page of the book he describes how to make it for three???

I would appreciate your feedback
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Aug 7, 2011 12:13PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-07 13:05, Joaquin wrote:
Parmenion I am not new. I am probably older than you. I have been studying magic for 8 years. Thanks for asking. IN fact I think I meet you in a coin magic seminar in PA with David Roth about 4 or 5 year ago

Without trying to expose to much information, Colins version can be applied to three people at the same time with one single you know what correct. If you read through his whole section and especially the chapter of "construction" nothing is mentioned about how to make the (you know what) for three people. He only mentions how to make it for one person as Pauls.

According to his perfomance the same you know what can be used for three people. Please tell me in which page of the book he describes how to make it for three???

I would appreciate your feedback
[/quote]

You must have misunderstood the whole concept. You should read it again, and please discuss further in Paul's forum.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Aug 7, 2011 12:50PM)
I have never been in any coin magic seminar :)
Anyway, you should re-read the book...All is explain.
I'm sorry to say what you wrote show you're far to be exprienced in magic or mentalism.
What did you do during these 8 years?
If you're French doesn't understand is normal otherwise you should worries a little bit.
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Aug 7, 2011 04:00PM)
You are right is it my native language having a hard time understanding pure British English or it might be my brain. Getting old is not easy.

I apologize
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 8, 2011 02:02PM)
68 arrived!

:)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 8, 2011 04:55PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-08 15:02, J.Prager wrote:
68 arrived!

:)
[/quote]

Looking forward to your review.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Aug 8, 2011 07:51PM)
I will write a review as soon as I read it.

I am flying to Vegas on Saturday, I will read it then.

Review coming soon

Alex
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 8, 2011 11:07PM)
Good deal Alex, have a safe trip to magic city.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Aug 15, 2011 09:59PM)
Seems to have gone quite, what do you think of it Alex? interested in your thoughts on it
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 15, 2011 11:13PM)
The psychology behind it is very strong, this effect is now always with me as I find it perfect for any situation or enviroment.

The gimmick is genious, the effect is very direct, they think of a memory and you reveal it in a beautiful way.

It is super practical, direct and very strong.

In my opinion the price is very fair.

Every morning I load in my pockets a stack of business cards, my peek wallet, a pocket dictionary and TWU gimmick.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Aug 16, 2011 03:14PM)
I guess I agree with 50% of what you say. As far as the gimmick being "genious" well I'd say when it was first conceived years ago it was a clever concept, but used in this case, well!!! The strongest part of the book for me was definately the routineing.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Aug 24, 2011 11:07PM)
Well this didn't live up to the hype. I can see why the gimmick was questioned early in the piece. It was hardly genious, in fact it has been used in many many other ways. I wont go further as it will reveal what it is. The only difference is that you had to make it yourself. I would have been happier if they included a professionally produced gimmick. Am I disappointed with the price..... not at all. I believe sooo much mentalism is way under value. And purchasing this has certainly made me wiser, even if that wisdom learnt is more about advertisement. My main disappointment is with myself for falling for the hype. Is this directed at Paul or Colin, no, they just sold the sizzle. We on this thread created the hype. So much said before anyone even got the product. If one comes to the Café to look at getting information for making informed decisions on purchases remember it can also be used to mis-inform you.
All in all, this was OK. not earth shattering, just OK, and if anything, has got me thinking on how to improve on it. Of course this is just my opinion which comes from where I am, in knowledge and performing mentalism. For someone else, this could be a quantum leap, especially if you haven't studied the classics.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 24, 2011 11:47PM)
I have studied the classics, and I think that TWU is beautiful.

What makes this for me such a valuable book is the psychology behind Paul's routine.

I had some conversations with some of the best in our field and we agree that this is our best purchase this year, we know that the principle behind the gimmick is not new, but the application is new, I have been using Paul's routine daily.

There is one chapter by Paul Brook that for me is worth the price of the book.

I respect everyones opinion and I understand your point of view takeachance.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Aug 24, 2011 11:59PM)
As you are a dealer of mentalism and offer Whisper on your site J.Prager, while you're on-line, can I ask you, how you compare Whisper, which mentions Colin as a contributer, to Colin's input in TWU of spectator reads one mind on page 171. I found this, well to be honest, lacking. Does kennedy take this to another level.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Aug 25, 2011 02:32AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 00:47, J.Prager wrote:
I have studied the classics, and I think that TWU is beautiful.

What makes this for me such a valuable book is the psychology behind Paul's routine.

I had some conversations with some of the best in our field and we agree that this is our best purchase this year, we know that the principle behind the gimmick is not new, but the application is new, I have been using Paul's routine daily.

There is one chapter by Paul Brook that for me is worth the price of the book.

[/quote]

Ah ! so you should read some Jerome's material...
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Aug 25, 2011 06:04AM)
Still waiting my book shipped the 15th of july...hope is not lost!
:(
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Aug 25, 2011 06:22AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 07:04, lucavolpe wrote:
Still waiting my book shipped the 15th of july...hope is not lost!
:(
[/quote]
You should contact Paul. He has a tracking number on each shippment, so you can see were it is :)
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Aug 25, 2011 08:04AM)
I've built on the routine..performed it last Friday night and it got gasps! Lots of "no !@#$%^& ways" and "what!!" Always each to their own but I've performed it maybe 6 or 7 times now in my stand up show and everytime it's gone down as the very least well!

The mindreading genuinely looks impossible,people are changing their minds and thinking of different things and yet you still manage to get inside their minds. The reveal of their thoughts is only the begining in my routine. You can take it to far off places after that. Still though everyone has different visions and I can see why maybe it would'nt be for everyone and that's cool too :)

Sound!

Pete
Message: Posted by: durian-red (Aug 25, 2011 09:03AM)
Irrespective of what people are saying on this forum, many copies of 'This Way Up' have appeared in the 'Books for Sale' forum. Does seem that there are a few disappointed buyers out there, willing to part so quickly with their exclusive numbered copies.
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Aug 25, 2011 09:24AM)
I think a lot of people buy magic items,find out the secret and then sell it on to make their money back again. I told think you can judge the quality of the book on the number of copies being re-sold. The people who do re-sell their copies have every right to do so but at the same time they could be very happy with their purchase or then again they may think it was crap who knows ;)
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 25, 2011 09:25AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 10:03, durian-red wrote:
Irrespective of what people are saying on this forum, many copies of 'This Way Up' have appeared in the 'Books for Sale' forum. Does seem that there are a few disappointed buyers out there, willing to part so quickly with their exclusive numbered copies.
[/quote]

Or maybe they learn (photocopy) the book and sell it for more.

I have not seen one book cheaper than the original price, everyone is selling it for a lot more.
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Aug 25, 2011 09:27AM)
I like this because can be play strong in any setting no exception with nothing to worry about. Great routining. It's good way of showing real mindreading with lots of possibilities. A great addition to any repertoire in my opinion
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Aug 25, 2011 09:30AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 10:03, durian-red wrote:
Irrespective of what people are saying on this forum, many copies of 'This Way Up' have appeared in the 'Books for Sale' forum. Does seem that there are a few disappointed buyers out there, willing to part so quickly with their exclusive numbered copies.
[/quote]

Perhaps they have constructed the gimmick and made their own presentation, and don´t need the book anymore. You don´t have to be disappointed with a book just because you are selling it.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 25, 2011 09:31AM)
Exactly!
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Aug 25, 2011 11:27AM)
REVIEW: THIS WAY UP by Paul Brook and Colin McLeod

OK so I promised a review, and I have read the book completely, and here are my thoughts:

I jumped on the bandwagon kind of late, after not knowing whether or not to get this, and I got copy 189 out of 200.

Anyways, here it goes:

Pauls section:

Pauls section is for the closeup worker, and I read it through and just had a smile on my face the whole time.
I can actually picture myself using this routine in my close up work.
Great routining, structure, psychology, every little nuance covered.

10/10

Colins section:

Just as good or even better than Pauls version, I can also see myself using this as well.
I plan on makin up 2 gimmicks, one for stage and one for closeup, cant wait

10/10

After having a read through all I could do was smile, and I am happy I spent the money I did on this limited release.

It is well worth it......maybe not to some, but you have to overlook the gimmick aspect, and concentrate about the performance as a whole, and presentation, and I am sure this will play big and be remembered by the audience.

I will never part with my book.

One of the best investments of 2011.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 26, 2011 01:33PM)
Thanks Alex! :)
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Aug 26, 2011 02:05PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 10:30, voh002 wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-08-25 10:03, durian-red wrote:
Irrespective of what people are saying on this forum, many copies of 'This Way Up' have appeared in the 'Books for Sale' forum. Does seem that there are a few disappointed buyers out there, willing to part so quickly with their exclusive numbered copies.
[/quote]

Perhaps they have constructed the gimmick and made their own presentation, and don´t need the book anymore. You don´t have to be disappointed with a book just because you are selling it.
[/quote]



Exactly , there has been so much on Café about this lately. I do not care if someone sells the book purchased by them...But,they now have the gimmick and the effect to use,as book is sold! Just saying!
Not saying this is what being done !!! This is a limited book in this case,and do not see several hundreds getting it !

-G
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Aug 26, 2011 02:44PM)
They will if the book is past around. Is it ethical to sell the book on when you intend to use the material? You really pay for the right to use the material should you really be selling it if you intend to use it?
Message: Posted by: Gregg Foxx (Aug 26, 2011 03:33PM)
Alex's review, above, is exactly what I would say. I will not part with my book, either. I applaud both Paul and Colin for their contribution(s) to our art and their willingness to share their effects and their thinking. This book is an excellent treatise on what goes into making a powerful presentation. To paraphrase the great Lance Armstrong, "It's not about the gimmick"!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Aug 26, 2011 05:30PM)
Gregg, hope to see you again at mindvention. And yes, I've got the book too. But not for sale. ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Aug 26, 2011 07:15PM)
Lance Amstrong ? lol
I prefer Ben Johnson.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Aug 26, 2011 09:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-26 20:15, parmenion wrote:
Lance Amstrong ? lol
I prefer Ben Johnson.
[/quote]

I'm getting to the age where I prefer Ben Gay.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 28, 2011 11:49PM)
LOL, Ambien and Ben Gay, a sign of getting past age 35.

MP how about coming to Mindvention and tossing an extra plane ticket for yours truly:)

Decomposing
Message: Posted by: Stefan O. (Aug 29, 2011 01:54AM)
I won't part with mine either - never! - especially since I poured my coffee over the pages this morning.... now this book is really unique.... :-(

(Maybe paul and Col would like to send me a free backup copy ;-))

Stefan
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 29, 2011 06:43AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-29 02:54, Stefan O. wrote:
I won't part with mine either - never! - especially since I poured my coffee over the pages this morning.... now this book is really unique.... :-(

(Maybe paul and Col would like to send me a free backup copy ;-))

Stefan
[/quote]

How about a starbucks card.
Message: Posted by: here2009 (Oct 23, 2011 06:03PM)
Where can I get this?
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Oct 23, 2011 09:11PM)
Check the for sale section. someone's been trying to sell their copy for awhile.
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 2, 2012 04:18PM)
Hi, I've got this book for trade at the for sale section.If anyone's looking for a copy.

John
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 3, 2012 11:41AM)
Can anyone tell me if this was available as a pdf?
I have an ad in a uk website offering this book as a trade, and someone has misunderstood and offered me the book as a pdf.

John
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 3, 2012 11:46AM)
As far as I know this was offered strictly as a limited edition hard cover book. If someone is offering it as a pdf I would be a bit concerned.

Good thoughts,

Bob
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jan 3, 2012 12:00PM)
It is strictly a limited edition hard cover book.

There are no PDF's.
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 3, 2012 12:02PM)
Cheers Bob,

I had a feeling it wasn't legit.He asked if I had any pdf's to give him in exchange for his.

John
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Jan 3, 2012 12:29PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-03 13:02, jayder wrote:
Cheers Bob,

I had a feeling it wasn't legit.He asked if I had any pdf's to give him in exchange for his.

John
[/quote]

Is it someone who posts on the Café?
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 3, 2012 12:36PM)
I don't know if he posts on here.It was through a uk website called magicweek and he sent me an e-mail.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 3, 2012 01:02PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-03 13:02, jayder wrote:
Cheers Bob,

I had a feeling it wasn't legit.He asked if I had any pdf's to give him in exchange for his.

John
[/quote]

Trading pdf's is a form of piracy since both parties to the trade are exchanging illegal copies, not originals.
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 3, 2012 01:22PM)
I know.I didn't offer anything to him,he just answered my ad and offered to deal that way.I just wasn't sure about the book being available as a pdf .

John
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 3, 2012 01:52PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-03 14:22, jayder wrote:
I know.I didn't offer anything to him,he just answered my ad and offered to deal that way.I just wasn't sure about the book being available as a pdf .

John
[/quote]

I know you knew it was wrong. But every time this comes up on the Café I reiterate that it is illegal and unethical for the benefit of newcomers and lurkers browsing the forum.

Good thoughts,
Message: Posted by: jayder (Jan 3, 2012 03:28PM)
No bother Bob.I've had a pm and hopefully he'll get caught.

John
Message: Posted by: Brainbu$ter (Nov 5, 2012 07:38PM)
Does anyone know whether Jerome Finley's Random Acts of Kindness was published before or after This Way Up?
Finley's Into the Madhouse effect is strikingly the same (even the same f___e thought), and the method is also pretty much the same. Paul said he and Colin independently were working on this, and I also was toying with an idea that would (in 2 to 8 years) have grown into this method/effect.

Even before I read either of these books I suspected that Paul Brook is really Jerome Finley.
Nobody has ever seen Jerome Finley.
Both Paul and Jerome have the same writing style.
Both charge about the same for their books.
The letters of Jerome Finley's name can be rearranged to spell "Men joy relief," and "Jeer on my life," and the letters of Paul's name become "Bra look up," and "A poor bulk."
I'd be willing to bet that both also have goat-tees, are slightly shorter than average, and have recently lost their favorite pen.
Can anyone confirm this?
Message: Posted by: bofx (Nov 6, 2012 07:22AM)
RAOK was published before TWU
Message: Posted by: bofx (Nov 6, 2012 07:23AM)
RAOK 2008 - TWU 2011
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Nov 6, 2012 07:29AM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-05 20:38, Brainbu$ter wrote:
Does anyone know whether Jerome Finley's Random Acts of Kindness was published before or after This Way Up?
Finley's Into the Madhouse effect is strikingly the same (even the same f___e thought), and the method is also pretty much the same. Paul said he and Colin independently were working on this, and I also was toying with an idea that would (in 2 to 8 years) have grown into this method/effect.

Even before I read either of these books I suspected that Paul Brook is really Jerome Finley.
Nobody has ever seen Jerome Finley.
Both Paul and Jerome have the same writing style.
Both charge about the same for their books.
The letters of Jerome Finley's name can be rearranged to spell "Men joy relief," and "Jeer on my life," and the letters of Paul's name become "Bra look up," and "A poor bulk."
I'd be willing to bet that both also have goat-tees, are slightly shorter than average, and have recently lost their favorite pen.
Can anyone confirm this?
[/quote]
lol, you made my day!
Jerome is far better writer as paul and his material is far more different and advanced.
I've seen Finley, he doesn't looks like Paul brook but paul brooks looks like Derren Brown...lol
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Nov 6, 2012 12:29PM)
Colin McLeod, Paul Brook, Jerome Finley and Madonna are all the same person
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Nov 6, 2012 01:47PM)
Nice try Paul... I mean "Kennedy" ;-)
Message: Posted by: Brainbu$ter (Nov 6, 2012 06:15PM)
Where can I see Jerome Finley? He doesn't perform under that name does he?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Nov 7, 2012 03:03AM)
He has multiple facets.
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Nov 7, 2012 10:58AM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-06 19:15, Brainbu$ter wrote:
Where can I see Jerome Finley? He doesn't perform under that name does he?
[/quote]

the facebook and the internetz are your friend.
Message: Posted by: Davit Sicseek (Nov 7, 2012 11:07AM)
Jerome was actually listing his performance name on his main website when I last checked - but I now see the site is down. You can't see him perform online as far as I know... but you can hear him on at least one internet radio station archive.
Message: Posted by: Brainbu$ter (Nov 7, 2012 06:30PM)
Can anyone comment on the the fact that This Way Up is the same in method and effect as Finley's Into the Madhouse?
Message: Posted by: Prager (Nov 7, 2012 06:42PM)
It is not the same method.

Please stop, you are heading directly to exposure and that will make me and a lot of This Way Up owners angry.
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (Nov 7, 2012 07:03PM)
I agree, it's not the same method!
Message: Posted by: Brainbu$ter (Nov 11, 2012 08:15PM)
I wish I could comprehend your reasoning
when you say I'm exposing methods (an accusation to which I take great offense) and you also say it's not the same method.

(even though I didn't even HINT at either method)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 11, 2012 11:21PM)
Not the same person for sure......
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Nov 12, 2012 08:54AM)
Have you seen Forrest Gump?
I like this film! I watched it already maybe 30 times
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Nov 12, 2012 11:05AM)
I lurve yoo Jenneee..
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Nov 18, 2012 04:46PM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-12 09:54, parmenion wrote:
Have you seen Forrest Gump?
I like this film! I watched it already maybe 30 times
[/quote]

Did you eat an Amburgair while you watched it?

I own 'This way up'..... and it has sat on my shelf for a while... as I am a slow reader, and have about 20 books I am trying to get through.

But... I saw Colin perform it only last night at the Magic Castle... and it killed! .... as did the rest of his set.

So.... I will be giving it a proper going over when I get back to Oz.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Nov 18, 2012 05:00PM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-18 17:46, Paul Shirley wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-11-12 09:54, parmenion wrote:
Have you seen Forrest Gump?
I like this film! I watched it already maybe 30 times
[/quote]

Did you eat an Amburgair while you watched it?

[/quote]
How do you know that?
Yes I did it!
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Dec 22, 2012 08:52AM)
I saw "This Way Up" by C. Mcleod and P. Brook, in a TV show with a famous mentalist today. The show was for a while ago, but it was cool to see it being used in a TV show. He used Paul Brooks version. Can`t link it, because of possible reveal of the method. But it show how strong it is, when someone use it on TV, and get great reactions.
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Dec 23, 2012 04:32PM)
Seen it too. It's presented exactly as written in the book. I liked seeing it performed by someone else.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Dec 23, 2012 06:12PM)
It's why he's famous, because he's everyone and nobody.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 17, 2014 05:10AM)
+++NEWS JUST IN+++

There's a very RARE opportunity to grab this. There's a signed copy on eBay right now!!!!
Message: Posted by: Dave Nic (Jan 17, 2014 05:16AM)
Madness. I would NEVER sell my copy. Madness.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 17, 2014 01:54PM)
If you're interested but can't find it on eBay I can supply a link by PM.

Derek
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 19, 2014 09:33AM)
I don't know if this is of any relevance but the book has been signed by Colin McLeod. Just sayin' :)
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 19, 2014 10:53AM)
Is it you that's selling it Kinesis?
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 19, 2014 11:32AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-19 11:53, mindpunisher wrote:
Is it you that's selling it Kinesis?
[/quote]

Hello stranger, long time since we spoke last. Yes it's mine.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 19, 2014 03:34PM)
Yes the years are rolling by..
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 21, 2014 07:16AM)
Sorry folks. This started purely as a heads-up.

I've had a few PMs regarding the book

YES I WILL SHIP TO U.S. OR EUROPE.

Happy to discuss shipping method and costs with buyer.

*Apologies to forum admin*
Message: Posted by: wilko7 (Feb 2, 2014 12:06PM)
I am having to sell my copy unfortunately.
The ad is in the trading room forum.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Oct 1, 2014 10:32AM)
I'm looking to trade Ken Dyne's "Whisper" for "This Way Up." Please PM me if interested. (I had posted this in the Buy/Sell section a couple of times to no avail. I thought I might have better luck up here.)

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Dec 5, 2014 08:34PM)
I finally got my hands on this book. I think a better title would have been something like "Routines and Techniques for a (insert name of utility device here)."

I was surprised at the absence of a crediting section. I've seen people on the Café get raked over the coals for writing a book and neglecting to mention the name of the person who invented [i]paper[/i] (Okay, that may be a slight exageration.). This thread has 20 pages yet I didn't see this issue brought up.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Feb 27, 2015 09:42AM)
I'm bumping this thread to see if anybody has a copy of "This Way Up" they are willing to sell.

PM me if want to sell yours.

Thanks!

Steve
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (May 4, 2019 06:40AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2015, Investigative Mentalist wrote:
I'm bumping this thread to see if anybody has a copy of "This Way Up" they are willing to sell.

PM me if want to sell yours.

Thanks!

Steve [/quote]

I’m selling my copy. Here’s the listing

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=692720&forum=78