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Topic: Your first grand illusion
Message: Posted by: Tonny Magix (Jun 30, 2011 09:42AM)
Hehe posting this because I'm very interested in your first grand illusion. That which you buy and that which you made yourself.

My first bought illusion is the sword suspension. I got it few days ago, and it works and looks great! My first 'made' illusion is the Blammo illusion. It is of fine quality.
Message: Posted by: Ben Pratt (Jun 30, 2011 10:04AM)
My first built illusion was the the sub trunk. Classic.

My first purchased illusion was The Devil's Reflection by Peter Loughran. Dig it.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jun 30, 2011 10:59AM)
I started with the big stuff pretty early on. I must have been around eleven when we picked the Abbott's Super-X Suspension right from the factory in Colon, MI. Only a few years later I added a custom built Zig Zag Lady to my collection just in time for the high school talent contest.

Fun times ...

Steve
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Jun 30, 2011 12:08PM)
My first Illusion is a B**e Platform.

Got a lot of mileage out of that thing.

Sold it already. ;)
Message: Posted by: makeupguy (Jun 30, 2011 12:47PM)
My first illusion was a sub trunk.. used it.. reubuilt it... used it.. rebuilt it AGAIN to make it smaller... used it.. finally used the wood for somethingelse..

I could have used the first version as a good sized apt if I'd moved to NYC
Message: Posted by: Stu Turner (Jun 30, 2011 01:20PM)
First bought was a good old Sub Trunk. Used it for years.

First one I built was probably an Assistant's Revenge. The thing was massive!
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jun 30, 2011 01:27PM)
Depending on how we define the word "Grand" ...first bought would be a Flying Carpet from Mak-Magic, got it well used!

First bought "grand-er" illusion would be a used Owen folding Harbin design Zig-Zag

First built a Mis-Made from Osborne plans...not so "grand" ... (lol) ...but it worked.
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Jun 30, 2011 01:56PM)
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On 2011-06-30 14:27, Scott Alexander wrote:

First built a Mis-Made from Osborne plans...not so "grand" ... (lol) ...but it worked.
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Just a question for those who can answer. When and how did Chuck Jones loose control over Mid-Made. Its generally accepted as public domain these days but Chuck was the originator of this. How did it get to be public domain? Because of the Osborne plans? Because Chuck didn't defend it? Combination of both? Something else?

If anyone knows the history of how this happened I'd love to know as it has always puzzled me.

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Jun 30, 2011 02:21PM)
I bought a used flying carpet from Tony Eng, fixed it all up and performed it in every single show for a couple years solid. I loved that darn thing.
Message: Posted by: Amulon (Jun 30, 2011 03:20PM)
So did you guys buy the illusion plans to build it?
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Jun 30, 2011 04:26PM)
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On 2011-06-30 14:56, The Drake wrote:
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On 2011-06-30 14:27, Scott Alexander wrote:

First built a Mis-Made from Osborne plans...not so "grand" ... (lol) ...but it worked.
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Just a question for those who can answer. When and how did Chuck Jones loose control over Mid-Made. Its generally accepted as public domain these days but Chuck was the originator of this. How did it get to be public domain? Because of the Osborne plans? Because Chuck didn't defend it? Combination of both? Something else?

If anyone knows the history of how this happened I'd love to know as it has always puzzled me.

Best,

Tim
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Good to see you my friend.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Jun 30, 2011 04:28PM)
First bought illusion = Streamer subtrunk
First made illusion = Zig Zag (got a lot of mileage out of that one until it fell apart). And that is why I only buy from now on.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Jun 30, 2011 04:34PM)
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On 2011-06-30 17:26, Magic Patrick wrote:

Good to see you my friend.

Patrick
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Back atcha Patrick!
Message: Posted by: Tonny Magix (Jun 30, 2011 06:04PM)
This is very interesting, I think it's the best for you, to build your own illusions. Then you can easily make some modifications.

Hehe, I see that the sub trunk is a really famous illusion. It is not that much in Croatia. but I see that I should make one! :D

To be honest my really first illusion is big (BIG) box for appearing a lady, and it fell apart while a was making it so, lol!
Message: Posted by: Tonny Magix (Jun 30, 2011 06:07PM)
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On 2011-06-30 16:20, Amulon wrote:
So did you guys buy the illusion plans to build it?
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I have only one buyd illusion and that I sword suspension,all other illusions I made my self and I never used any of iilusion plans because I find it interesting and funny t build like this..i can easily modify illusion
Message: Posted by: Mattia (Jul 1, 2011 08:36AM)
My first illusion was a sub trunk. I didn't find any plans, so it took a lot of time to build it!
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Jul 1, 2011 10:31AM)
Modern Art / Crystal Casket

-E
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Jul 1, 2011 11:15AM)
Zig Zag / Sub Trunk / Tip Over Trunk
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Jul 1, 2011 11:54AM)
Modern Art first buy, and Shadow Box was first build.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jul 1, 2011 11:55AM)
When Jeff McBride left home, I bought all of his illusions. He had a flying carpet (he used on What's my line), a Chu's sword suspension, a broom suspension, and a zig zag.

I used the flying carpet the most (as I was a kid's show magician). The others were used only once in a while for club shows and news promos.
This was in the late 70's.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jul 1, 2011 02:30PM)
The first illusion that I built was a Flash Appearance. The first that I bought, although probably considered an illusionette, was Stocks of Zanzibar, used. The first large illusion that I bought was a Girl Without a Middle that a friend had made. I bought it used, as well. It was an awesome piece of equipment!
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jul 1, 2011 05:01PM)
I've never built an illusion, but the first illusion I bought was a Ralph Adams sword basket. I purchased it from the great man himself.

My next illusion was an Abbotts Canvas Covered Box, purchased second-hand from Dan Jones a/k/a "Dando the Great."

I sold them both, and a lot of other large props, when I moved to NYC in the early '80s.
Message: Posted by: Rich Hill (Jul 2, 2011 08:57AM)
My first illusion was a doll's house built from abbott's workshop plans - then I built a shadow box ( plans in Tarbell) and two big round cage girl productions. Late 70s.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Jul 2, 2011 11:07AM)
My first illusions (which I built) were a Sub Trunk which was a great investment and a stair case production that was one of the lamest ideas I ever had. It is now a TV stand in my parent's home and is much better utilized that way than on any stage.
Message: Posted by: R.E. Byrnes (Jul 2, 2011 03:20PM)
"When and how did Chuck Jones loose control over Mid-Made. Its generally accepted as public domain these days but Chuck was the originator of this. How did it get to be public domain? Because of the Osborne plans? Because Chuck didn't defend it? Combination of both? Something else?

If anyone knows the history of how this happened I'd love to know as it has always puzzled me"

there is apparently some controversy as to how original it was with jones. that aside, and even assuming it was completely original, legal protections rarely attach to magic effects under the dominant intellectual property regimes: patent, copyright, trademark, and trade secrets. the enforcement is mostly informal -- which, in some instances, can be more potent than litigation or other formal means of enforcement. although the example of robert harbin and the zig zag exemplifies the possibility of the magic establishment closing ranks against those thought to be infringing on someone's creative product, more often than not an originator will have to take all or most of the initiative to draw attention to acts of piracy and urge both the purported infringer to stop infringing and others to not buy from the infringer. add to that the fact that there are rarely instances of pure, singular innovation unambiguously attributable to one person, and the stories are often confusing, or there is no story at all. the mis-made lady likely fits into one or more of these patterns. it would be interesting to hear what happened; but in that the method is so intuitively obvious, it would lack the compelling aspect of a true leap of genius that is appropriated by others.
Message: Posted by: kkentert (Jul 6, 2011 12:40AM)
Black art table I built. used it for a run-around. was GREAT for 14 year old. Now I look back and shutter.....
Message: Posted by: AllAboutMagic (Jul 6, 2011 12:54AM)
The first small illusion I ever worked was this piece of junk where I put my hand in a wood rectangle and the magician would insert blades and then tilt it back making it look like he sliced my hand off. (no offense if any of you own it but this is to slicing effects as Marshal Brodien is to the plastic ball and vase) It usually worked if the audience was under 8 years old. Then we graduated and got a sub trunk. The first few shows (maybe few hundred) it was pretty bad....well compared to now. We are very fast, though not Pendragons fast, but then again who is. As far as making an illusion, that is way out of my league.
Message: Posted by: kennewhitson (Jul 21, 2011 03:12PM)
I made a sword basket.
Message: Posted by: Autumn Morning Star (Jul 21, 2011 11:03PM)
My first 'homemade' illusion was a large squared circle. What a piece of junk I created! It weighed a ton and the paint always felt sticky.
My first 'bought' big illusion was an entire show in excellent condition: Crystal Casket, a Sub-Trunk, a second Sub-Trunk with double t*** d*** for a large cat transposition (...smelled like kitty pee), Sword Basket with swords, Thin Model Saw in Half, Azrah table with form, Shadow Box. I have since customized, decorated, and re-built most of these to suit the needs of my current show.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Jul 22, 2011 04:04AM)
I was around during the Copperfield tv specials in the 80s
which completly changed magic presentation so Illusions were the order of the
day to finish all acts..

I built a Broomstick Illusion with a great harness for my assistant at the time

Used in about 40 shows over 3 years or so-worked well , looked amazing
I used an 80s classic song-Sheena Easton "for your eyes only" For the Illusion-LOL
Great memories....
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jul 22, 2011 07:33AM)
The first that I bought was an Abbott's Chinese Chopper. The first one that I built myself was a shadow box, that was redesigned so that it didn't need to be revolved.

I'm not likely to try to build more illusions. I like the professionally built stuff.
Message: Posted by: Rich Hill (Jul 22, 2011 08:50AM)
Thank goodness! LOL. :)
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Jul 22, 2011 10:51PM)
I was never into illusions, per se, but one day client wanted me to do several shows, but wanted an illusion. I told him I didn't have one, but he said if I would do the shows he would buy it, give it to me, and pay my fee. What could I say? Went down and bought an Owen's Zig Zag with ATA cases. Almost 30 years old, hundreds of shows, and it still looks fantastic!
Message: Posted by: coachc (Jul 25, 2011 06:13PM)
My first illusion was one I built called Bride of the Blades. Used Paul Osborne plans and still use it once in a while. My first bought illusion was Modern Art built by Owen Redwine in the early nineties.
Message: Posted by: Monsieur Las Vegas (Jul 30, 2011 03:12PM)
My first bought grand illusion was an asrah.
Message: Posted by: AmazingEARL (Jul 31, 2011 09:41AM)
First illusion I built was a Sub Trunk. It was god awful lookin', but it worked great.

Next came a horrible Zig Zag made out of flakeboard. (Hey, the stuff was cheap and I was 14...what did I know?)

First purchased illusion, a second hand Super X.
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Jul 31, 2011 10:33AM)
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On 2011-07-31 10:41, AmazingEARL wrote:

Next came a horrible Zig Zag made out of flakeboard. (Hey, the stuff was cheap and I was 14...what did I know?)
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Me to think I was 15 or 16 and it was also built from cheap flake board (very heave and took a truck to move). Yes those beams are thick (6 1/2 inches)and yes it was built from Zig Zag plans (bet no one has these) How Do The Illusions Work? Zig Zag Illusion plans. I think they were $5 They had obviously never built one.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w221/illusionman2_photo/myfirstZag.jpg

this is my 2nd one built for 1/4 inch ply (very thin and light)


http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w221/illusionman2_photo/ZIGZAGE_BAY11111111-1.jpg

this is my 2nd one broke down to travel

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w221/illusionman2_photo/ZIGZAGE-BAY333333333333.jpg
Message: Posted by: AmazingEARL (Jul 31, 2011 10:54AM)
Wish I had pics to share. The Zig Zag didn't survive the tornado...of course, the HOUSE didn't, either.

But the Sub Trunk did. <wink>
Message: Posted by: Ivox Magic (Aug 9, 2011 08:45AM)
My first illusion , that I was made is 23 Swords Through A Box Illusion.
[img]http://ivoxmagic.com/images/f-12.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: jdallassmith (Sep 25, 2011 07:23PM)
Wow all great stuff! I purchased a Sword Box, then a head chopper from Owens. I also purchased a Cutting in six,a Zig Zag, a huge Squared Circle, and a Palanquin makers unknown. Then I started and still do make custom Head Chest, Tear Apart Vanishes, Rainbow style House, Production boxes, Super X, and tables. It is almost like work!
Message: Posted by: magicians (Sep 25, 2011 07:57PM)
When McBride gave up his illusions, I got his Chu's sword suspension, zig zag, broom suspension and flying carpet.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Sep 25, 2011 09:31PM)
Mine was the Crystal Casket back in the early '80s. I still have it too.
Message: Posted by: Tony S (Sep 30, 2011 02:49PM)
First I built was a Sub-Trunk that could also have been used as a good sized New York City apartment!

Then I built a shadow box and got some good mileage out of it.

First purchased illusion was a Blaney 3001 suspension.
Message: Posted by: CA-Lynx (Oct 2, 2011 11:23PM)
My first I built was a Loomis Doll House