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Topic: Different types of memory
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jul 11, 2011 11:22PM)
While watching a TV program on Dementia I was reminded that our brains process auditory and visual input differently. Where and how things are stored vary considerably, but both are of value.

The lesson to be learned, I believe, is that we can speed up recall of stack numbers if we try to use both kinds of input.

In my case, I have Nick Pudars great program Stack View on my computer and I drill with it from time to time. But I also have a set of drills that I recorded on my I-Pod which I listen to. (Usually when I'm out doing my morning walk.)

Of course, you must also practice in both directions: going from a stack number to the associated card, and going from a card to it's stack number. Doing both in visual and auditory modes should help all mem-deck workers in initial learning and then speed drills.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Damon Zale (Jul 12, 2011 08:18AM)
Hi Dennis,
You are 100% right. Here are some more ideas of memory types to tie in:
We are very good at spatial, or map type of memory [this is utilized in the journey mnemonic technique] so that can be leveraged (for example when you listen to on your walks, thinking of the places you walked at might bring cards about). But spatial memory can be different as positions in a deck are ‘places’ also. Something I noticed is after doing some practice of cutting to specific card , I can swear I just ‘remember where the card is’ rather then go through ‘lets see its, AC so its number 10, so let me cut a few cards less then a quarter’ I just cut without thinking and only then start thinking in the adjust part.

Another one I mentioned before, I re-hearse my stack in the gym – rather then counting repetitions with regular numbers I use stack numbers. I can describe this in more detail if anyone is interested. I think this *might* add another layer of a type of memory into it but I am not sure what its called (def. not muscle memory :) )

This may or may not be off topic but I have been wondering – having now mastered the stack (at least I think I have), would I forget it if I didn’t rehearse it at all? Not the same but, I still remember my 1st telephone number and I never rehearse it…
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Jul 12, 2011 10:10AM)
Oh that's brilliant, counting exercise reps using your stack cards. Great tip. I usually practice using an iPhone app I've mentioned before or if I have nothing with me I will run through the stack forwards, backwards. I find running through odds (cards 1,3,5...) and evens (cards 2,4,6...) both forwards and backwards really helpful.

I have forgotten the Aronson stack twice by not practicing but each time I pick it back up it comes back much quicker. And certain cards are never forgotten.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jul 12, 2011 10:51AM)
I don't believe that if you took off a long period of time (a year or more) that you would remember all of the cards no matter how good you were before. Maybe some, but at best you would be slow and full of stress.

For me the important question is not whether I can recall a card from a stack number or the reverse, but how long it takes and how effortless it is. I've done mem-deck work for over ten years but I still do drills 4 or 5 times a week.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jul 12, 2011 10:57AM)
To Dmitriy,
I love your idea of counting repetitious tasks using stack numbers. When I'm working on a new sleight or move, I'll set a goal of doing it 100 times, or 50 times, or whatever. By counting with stack numbers, I can review the Aronson stack at the same time.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jul 12, 2011 07:44PM)
I've taken off from the Aronson stack for periods of six months or so. I find that I don't remember them all when I come back, but the time spent to re-learn is a fraction of the original learning curve. I'm usually back up to speed in a day or two. YMMV of course.
Message: Posted by: steve j (Jul 12, 2011 10:53PM)
This idea about using multiple memory types is discussed a little in Mnemonica. He describes visual, audio, muscular, and conceptual methods to remember a stack and suggests that you do at least two if not more ways at the same time will greatly improve the stacks sticking power in your memory. This is how I did it and it worked for me, and I'm sure others that have read this book and tried some of these methods can say the same thing.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jul 14, 2011 03:52PM)
Yes, Tamariz suggests singing the cards in order in Mnemonica. I used that idea to learn the alphabet backwards using the same Alphabet Song you use going forward.

Has anyone figured out a good tune to sing the Aronson stack to?

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Damon Zale (Jul 14, 2011 04:26PM)
When just memorizing the stack, I used this technique: using a video game (RockBand or Guitar Hero I forget which at the moment, I own both) I put the game in Karaoke mode, and rather then sing the real lyrics of songs I like, I would sing the name and stack number of cards that I was stuck on. I also recorded the whole thing (it sounded hilarious) but only listened a few times, I was late in memorizing stage and at that point just needed to speed up recall on the stack.
"Enter Sandman" was 4 of spades :) can't recall others
Message: Posted by: Ken Abbott (Jul 22, 2011 09:16AM)
Since this thread is about methods of practicing rather than memorizing the stack, here is what I do. There is nothing ground-breaking about it. It takes me two hours to mow the grass. while mowing, I practice from one to fifty-two. Then I do individual suits from ace to king. Then I do all of the aces in CHaSeD order, followed by two's, three's etc.