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Topic: Yet Another Rose-to-Silk Gimmick Question
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jul 25, 2011 03:19AM)
I've perused the many threads regarding the various gimmicks available (Tony Clark, Norm Nielsen, Precision, etc.), and I've got a question taht isn't covered in any of the posts I read.

Do all of the gimmicks permit the "rose" to be removed from one's lapel intact before being transformed into a silk? Most, but not all, of the few video clips I've seen show the rose being transformed into a silk as it is being pulled off of the lapel.

Information from those who own and/or have used these gimmicks would be very much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 25, 2011 03:33AM)
Donal, I owned and used Abbott's and Norm Nielsen's gimmicks. Both can be used by either method. I think you are really thinking of a personal way to handle the transformation of the rose. Or possible they just don't know that it is possible to pull the scarf from the rose.

I have seen published there are a few other methods not using a gimmick as well. Snaps, straight pins, elastic straps, and other methods have been devised by other performers.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jul 25, 2011 09:10PM)
Thanks, Bill. Since reset between performances will be an issue, I'm going to experiment with a few of the gimmicks first and see which (if any) will meet my needs.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 26, 2011 12:26AM)
Donal, I PM you.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jul 27, 2011 09:46PM)
Donal,

So did I.

David
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jul 28, 2011 12:32AM)
Thanks to you both. I'm much obliged.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Aug 3, 2011 09:05PM)
If I understand Donal's question correctly, Shimada performs the rose to silk that way. He removes the rose completely from the lapel and then in his hand the flower changes to the silk. The November 1985 issue of GENII featured Shimada on the cover and has a number of effects from Shimada's act, including (on page 307) a written (but not illustrated) description of Shimada's rose-to-silk effect. I also believe that the solution to the problem is not so much which gimmick is used, but the manner in which the silk is rolled.

Lance Burton in his first appearance on "The Tonight Show" also performed the rose to silk by first removing the rose from the lapel and effecting the change in his hand.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Aug 4, 2011 06:27PM)
Thanks, Sonny! I'm off to Ask Alexander to Research that Genii issue...
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Aug 7, 2011 03:27AM)
I have always pulled it off of the lapel before making it change to a silk. My issue is with the way it's rolled up. I have yet to see one that "really" looks like a rose. It's a throw away bit, so I don't think the audience has a chance to analyze it. But, it would be nice though if there was a method of rolling it up where it really can be a fooler.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 7, 2011 05:57AM)
I have always, pulled the silk from the flower, and if you have not seen one that looks like a flower then you have seen a poorly prepared silk. It is very simple and looks good from a distance. I have seen some that don't look like a flower from professionals, but it is all in your perspective as to what a flower looks like.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Aug 9, 2011 08:57PM)
During the past several weeks I've experimented with the Nielsen gimmick, the Abbotts gimmick, the Tony Clark gimmick, Duane Laflin's no-gimmick version that uses a pair of magnets and Shimada's no-gimmick version.

IMO, the one that results in the best looking "flower" is the Tony Clark gimmick. However, with the Clark gimmick you cannot remove the flower intact and then change it into a silk.

Everything's a trade-off...
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 9, 2011 09:42PM)
I guess I misunderstood your OP, I thought you wanted to remove the silk from center and have it visually transform into a silk.

I will PM you some added information on a good looking flower.
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Aug 10, 2011 04:09PM)
I have a silk winder from an unknown manufacturer which winds the silk quite nicely and the flower looks great. I can pull it off intact and turn it into a silk just fine without any problems.

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I have always, pulled the silk from the flower, and if you have not seen one that looks like a flower then you have seen a poorly prepared silk.
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I completely agree with that statement. I have many versions of this gimmick and I have never had a problem making the silk look like a real rose with any of them. Further, if you have prepared the silk correctly with some of them, you can in fact remove the flower intact before you change it into a silk.
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Sep 15, 2011 10:33PM)
I just remembered that Johnny Hirose has a really neat silk and ring routine that starts with a silk rose on the lapel, which is removed whole and then transformed into a silk. It looks like a real rose on your lapel too. The effect/routine is called Ring and Silk.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Sep 23, 2011 04:25AM)
You can see Johnny Hirose's routine performed on the Stevens Magic site at
http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=88_90_49&products_id=8002

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Sep 23, 2011 02:33PM)
Thanks for the link, Sonny.
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Oct 4, 2011 07:52PM)
I like Norm Nielsen gimmick and you can take out the flower before changing to silk.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 4, 2011 08:52PM)
I believe Peter White's gimmick (which is much like Nielsen's) allows you re to remove the silk as a rose and change it.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Oct 5, 2011 08:02AM)
Anyone use the Tony Clark version?
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Oct 5, 2011 10:02PM)
I have seen Tony clark version. Like mention earlier can not remove the flower intact before changing to silk
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Oct 6, 2011 07:36AM)
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On 2011-10-05 23:02, indomagic wrote:
Like mention earlier can not remove the flower intact before changing to silk
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I know that - I just wondered if anyone is using it currently.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Oct 12, 2011 01:39AM)
After testing three different gimmicks and a couple of no-gimmick versions (as mentioned above), I opted to go with the Tony Clark gimmick. I bought a second one just this week to keep on hand as a backup.