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Topic: Earthquake now in NYC
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 23, 2011 01:12PM)
Just felt the house here in Brooklyn shake. I thought it was something to do with the new telephone lines being installed. My son just texted me that they're evacuating his building in midtown Manhattan. Any other reports?
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:14PM)
I just read this morning that they had a 5.3 in Colorado which is also very rare. Largest in 100 years.

End Times?
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:17PM)
Virginia, New Jersey, and North Carolina reporting quakes.

[img]http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5479/endcd.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:21PM)
Felt in DC, VA and MD. I guess it was around a 5.8
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Aug 23, 2011 01:27PM)
I was out in the garden in DC, and at first I thought there was a squirrel on my roof, then the whole house shook. When we lived in La Jolla in the 70's we had them all the time.
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Aug 23, 2011 01:30PM)
Nothing here in Goettingen.



:)
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:32PM)
Now they are saying it might have been an underground nuke (probably set off by Halliburton). Or possibly a meth lab in WV blowing up.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 23, 2011 01:36PM)
Well you were warned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMut5t_D_VU
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 23, 2011 01:39PM)
Frack!

No really- I've heard some people say it's all the fracking being done around there lately. Don't know if I buy that theory, though...
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:46PM)
Two reactors taken off line down at a VA nuclear power plant.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Aug 23, 2011 01:46PM)
My sister felt the quake in Wilmington, Delaware ... and I just read that tremors were felt as far away as in Toronto, Canada.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 01:49PM)
Obama just issued a statement. He blames Bush.
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Aug 23, 2011 02:09PM)
USGS reporting a magnitude of 5.9 and a depth of 0.1km - seems incredibly shallow!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/se082311a.php

Mike
Message: Posted by: James FX (Aug 23, 2011 02:11PM)
Iím having an irrigation system being installed so I assumed the digging machine just got too close to the foundation! Until I saw the chandelier swinging. Wow.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 23, 2011 02:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 14:49, Marlin1894 wrote:
Obama just issued a statement. He blames Bush.
[/quote]
Funny.
But I believe AL Qaeda already claimed credit.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Aug 23, 2011 02:32PM)
Earthquake today, hurricane on the way. Who says the east coast is safe?
Message: Posted by: MobilityBundle (Aug 23, 2011 02:36PM)
We got a little woozy up here on the 30th floor in down town Boston.

I grew up in Las Vegas, so it's not my first seismic event. (Especially back when they still did below-ground nuclear testing at the Nevada Test Site.) But it was my first one in a > 2 story building. That adds a bit more to the experience.

Namely, it sucks a lot more.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 02:39PM)
What would hurt more when an earthquake hit, getting a digital rectal exam, or putting the finishing touches on the worlds domino display?

Once in Japan we were playing pool and someone made a shot, I don't even remember if it was me or someone else, a ball hung in the pocket and looked like it was going to drop but didn't fall, and as we were all watching it the ground started to tremble, then the whole room shook, and they ball dropped. It was pretty cool.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 23, 2011 02:40PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 15:09, Michael Daniels wrote:
USGS reporting a magnitude of 5.9 and a depth of 0.1km - seems incredibly shallow!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/se082311a.php

Mike
[/quote]That is incredibly shallow. Over here in CA, the earthquakes usually occur at a depth of 2.0km or more. Then again, Virginia isn't near any fault lines. There may be something to the hydraulic fracturing theory. I looked at a satellite map of the epicenter, and there's not much there but a small building- then again, gas mines wouldn't need a big surface presence, would they?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 23, 2011 02:47PM)
According to Michael's link the depth was 6km at the epicenter. I read a report that said 1km. So, I don't know if these are measurements at different places/times or misreporting.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 23, 2011 02:52PM)
It's been updated, and now reads a depth of 6km. And the magnitude has been downgraded back to a 5.8.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 03:00PM)
Were starting to get some images of the devastation in and around the areas hardest hit. Pretty scary.

[img]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9514/dcdev.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Aug 23, 2011 03:43PM)
Bravo Marlin! Genuine laugh out loud moment.

John
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 23, 2011 03:47PM)
Clearly that image is photoshopped or there would be sweet tea on that table.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 23, 2011 03:54PM)
:)

:applause:
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ridgeway (Aug 23, 2011 03:54PM)
Sweet Tea that far north?...not unless you're at a Cracker barrel.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 04:09PM)
Lol. Just messing around. It seems like damage was fairly minimal and I haven't heard of anyone being seriously injured.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ridgeway (Aug 23, 2011 04:11PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 14:49, Marlin1894 wrote:
Obama just issued a statement. He blames Bush.
[/quote]

You're joke was almost perfect...should have read:
Obama just issued a statement. It was Bush's fault.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 04:15PM)
That does read better, thanks. I will do a re-write before I post it to Facebook. lol
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Aug 23, 2011 04:32PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 15:47, landmark wrote:
According to Michael's link the depth was 6km at the epicenter. I read a report that said 1km. So, I don't know if these are measurements at different places/times or misreporting.
[/quote]

Yes, the data have been updated on the USGS site.

Mike
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 23, 2011 06:30PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 16:54, Living Illusions wrote:
Sweet Tea that far north?...not unless you're at a Cracker barrel.
[/quote]

I was led to believe the image was supposed to be from Virginia.
Message: Posted by: Rick (Aug 23, 2011 08:02PM)
I was about 25 miles from where it started. I was working on the 6 floor of a hospital, and the floor felt walking on a trampoline... very eerie..
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Aug 23, 2011 08:41PM)
[img]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5867/neverforget.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 23, 2011 08:44PM)
Bravo! :D
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 23, 2011 09:32PM)
[quote]On 2011-08-23 14:46, Marlin1894 wrote:
Two reactors taken off line down at a VA nuclear power plant.[/quote]
North Anna.

That's the plant where Dominion Virginia Power is planning to add another reactor; I'm working in risk management on the construction project. We're in Charlotte, NC and felt the quake.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 23, 2011 09:59PM)
S2000 could you tell us what exactly does risk management do?
And do you know if this story is accurate?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/23/virginia-nuclear-plant-had-quake-sensors-removed-due-to-budget-cuts/
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Aug 24, 2011 01:39AM)
Bay area just had a nice jolt! I mean a minute ago!
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Aug 24, 2011 02:44AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-24 02:39, Tom Cutts wrote:
Bay area just had a nice jolt! I mean a minute ago!
[/quote]

And you probably felt five more before I got around to posting this.

Back when I was a kid in Taiwan, we felt earthquakes a few times a year. We thought it was fun. I remember one time when both me and my sister suddenly fell off of our bikes for no clear reason. Later we found out it was an earthquake. Hilarity ensued.
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Aug 24, 2011 02:57AM)
Living in Los Angeles helps a lot. You get used to occasional shakes. Most times you don't realize it is an earthquake, you think it is the dog scratching himself at the foot of the bed or something...

A lot of it is time.

Most earthquakes here don't bother me.

The Northridge thing years ago lasted a minute and a half.

Stuff was flying everywhere. You couldn't stand up to save your life. I tried to get upstairs to my daughter...

A minute and a half!

That is time to get really scared and think a million scary thoughts.

The big one in Seward, Alaska in 1963 lasted nearly four minutes. I would be a pile of formless jello by then...just sayin'...
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 24, 2011 07:36AM)
[quote]On 2011-08-23 22:59, landmark wrote:
S2000 could you tell us what exactly does risk management do?[/quote]
First, bear in mind that I'm working on the [i]construction[/i] of the power plant, not the [b][i]operation[/i][/b] of the power plant.

What I do is help the project managers, engineers, purchasers, designers, and so on determine what sorts of things might go differently than they have planned, analyze the effects of those going-differently things, and help the managers, et al develop plans for how they might handle those things.

For example, when they excavate the site for the new reactor, turbines, etc. they may find that there is more rock than they had estimated, or there may be cracks in the rock that will need to be filled with "dental concrete" (no, I don't know exactly how that differs from ordinary concrete), or the NRC inspector may require that they embed steel dowels into the bedrock to ensure that the concrete foundation doesn't slip. I help the engineers estimate the likelihood of any of these events happening, estimate the impact to the project (cost and schedule) should any of them happen, and develop plans to respond to them should they happen. So, they might decide to purchase the steel dowels early so that if they need them there won't be a schedule delay while they wait for delivery; the downside is that they might spend the money and later find that they don't need the dowel. Or they may hire ten additional dump trucks in case there is more rock to be excavated than they'd estimated; the downside is that if there isn't more rock than estimated, they've paid for ten extra trucks that they didn't need.

[quote]On 2011-08-23 22:59, landmark wrote:
And do you know if this story is accurate?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/23/virginia-nuclear-plant-had-quake-sensors-removed-due-to-budget-cuts/ [/quote]
No, I have no idea.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Aug 24, 2011 09:12AM)
So, in other words, you consider alternate points of view and constantly confront that possibility that your assumptions may be incorrect.

I hope you're well-compensated for what sounds like a unique skill set.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 24, 2011 10:57AM)
[quote]On 2011-08-24 10:12, LobowolfXXX wrote:
So, in other words, you consider alternate points of view and constantly confront that possibility that your assumptions may be incorrect.[/quote]
That's an excellent summary.

[quote]On 2011-08-24 10:12, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I hope you're well-compensated for what sounds like a unique skill set.[/quote]
I wouldn't say that it's unique, but it's rare.

I don't profess to be an expert at constructing nuclear power plants (or anything else for that matter), and if I did I'd probably be bounced out on my ear. I do profess to being an expert on risk; my job is to get the experts on constructing nuclear power plants to give me enough details about the process so that I can formulate the correct questions to get [b][i]them[/i][/b] to think of the risks. Then I use my experience in developing responses to risks to ask them questions to get them to come up with the response plans.

Today I interviewed two gentlemen about what we can do to avoid too large a plume from the cooling tower. It's complicated because nobody has defined exactly how large a plume is "too large". It was also complicated by the fact that these gentlemen are both Japanese and they admit that their English isn't as good as they'd like it to be. (It is, however, a darned sight better than my Japanese, which is nil.) Fortunately, the gentleman charged with risk management on the project (I'm simply the consultant helping him along) is fluent in English and Japanese. It was an interesting meeting.

Yes, I'm compensated quite well. I just wish that the office were in, say, Auburn, CA rather than Fort Mill, SC. Sigh.
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 24, 2011 11:20AM)
We've only had one earthquake here that I can remember. It was very minor. No real shaking, just a little motion sickness like being on a boat and that was it. I wouldn't have known we'd had an earthquake at all if the news hadn't reported it.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Aug 25, 2011 01:20PM)
Was driving to Philly from Toronto, and heard about it when we got to the Hamberg lecture.

Actually in NY now.
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 25, 2011 02:13PM)
I find it odd that a natural disaster could reach NYC. Do they even [i]have[/i] any trailer parks?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 25, 2011 02:48PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-23 14:49, Marlin1894 wrote:
Obama just issued a statement. He blames Bush.
[/quote]

Yea he inherited the earthquake and it was much worse than he thought.

(I wish this was more of a joke and less of a reality LOL.)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 25, 2011 03:48PM)
Under 6.0 is not considered an earthquake, just a lil' shaker.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 25, 2011 05:08PM)
Just got a recorded phone call message from the city saying there would be a hurricane this weekend, and would I be willing to volunteer to work at a hurricane evacuation center.

First time I've ever heard of this being done. I don't know what to think.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Aug 25, 2011 06:06PM)
It's probably because a hurricane hasn't directly hit New York for over a hundred years.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 25, 2011 06:32PM)
Yea the East Coast hurricane up that far is not common at all. Stupid Bush.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Aug 28, 2011 02:39PM)
Just left the city last night. Streets were empty.

First the earthquake, now the hurricane, just waiting for Phelps and the like to blame this on ny legalizing gay marriage.
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 28, 2011 03:09PM)
I think Michael Phelps has enough problems of his own what with all of the steroid allegations. But he seems to be handling it well. :)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 30, 2011 04:09AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-28 15:39, gdw wrote:
Just left the city last night. Streets were empty.

First the earthquake, now the hurricane, just waiting for Phelps and the like to blame this on ny legalizing gay marriage.
[/quote]

Actually, Ms. Bachman claimed it was God trying to get our attention to get on the ball about fiscal reform. She later said she was joking.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 30, 2011 06:47AM)
What a kidder.
She does it 'cause he loves us.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Aug 30, 2011 10:20AM)
She was taught to love us in church. Her spiritual advisor said, God [i]bless[/i] America.