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Topic: Disrespecting Fred Kaps
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 29, 2011 06:14PM)
Every once in a while, I get into the mood to put on a clip from youtube of some of my favorite magicians. I clicked on Fred Kaps clip from the Ed Sullivan show where he appeared the same night as the Beatles. I love this performance of him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYh_vPGApbo

Anyway, I was reading some of the comments left by those viewing it and of course they were of the usual kind, stating how wonderful he was and so on. Then I came across a series of comments that totally disrespected the great man. I wrote back, but of course when you converse with someone that is headstrong, you can’t change their mind. Here is the comments that was left:

heelfan1234 says: At just after 3:25 he turns his body to the right, gets the shaker from hat with his left hand, but you can see his right hand go round the back of his body and get the salt pour gimmick, just a palm size container filled with salt. This is where all the salt comes from and it isn't that magical. I thought this routine was a bit of a yawn with all the overacting and him mouthing the word "salt". So what if it's salt, sugar or cocaine! We all saw him load the gimmick at 3:26 !
1 month ago
• At 4:31 - 4:32 you can see him ditch the salt pour gimmick in his coat tail pockets.
heelfan1234 1 month ago
CaraBrimleyRules is the most ignorant of the poster. She says: Well I didn't like it at all. Obvious how the salt pour was done when he obtained the gimmick from behind his back at 3:25 and just after. Also this magician can't act properly. His expressions are completely false and exaggerated, he can't speak very good English either. He looks like a complete amateur!
1 month ago
• @8chevalier8 liked the Homing Card. The poster said: The Homing Card is so lovely. You can see the direct connection in Kaps's stage persona to Tommy Wonder. The bemused magician, seemingly not in full control of his trick, as perplexed as his audience is amazed. Same with Cardini in a way. All the skill tempered with humility and humor.
Then CaraBrimleyRules once again shows her ignorance of magic: Sorry this is a completely lame trick using double/sticky rough/smooth cards. And it is completely overacted. If he performed this effect on a talent show today he wouldn't even get past the auditions. Or he may be included in a later round, only to be discarded as "joke value".
CaraBrimleyRules 1 month ago
I responded: Shows you what you know. I have the complete trick and it uses all sleight of hand. The last move is an Erdnase Color Change which is very difficult to do. The man's showmanship is brilliant. It sure beats the lame attempts I see on youtube where someone is performing in their t-shirts and have no personality.
This man Kaps was a three time world champ. Until you can claim that, please don't comment on what you don't know.
mtpascoe 11 hours ago
CaraBrimleyRules came back and said: Yeah the Erdnase change is not that difficult, it is revealed all over you tube. Anyway, this is all completely overacted pulling stupid faces. If he cam up before Simon Cowell he would get the red X! This Bram Bongers would not win a minor talent show today!!
The salt pour is done with a gimmick which holds all the salt which he steals from behind his back at 3:24 to 3:27
CaraBrimleyRules 2 hours ago

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The reason I am posting here in the Manipulation section is that the readers here have knowledge about stage sleight of hand and can respond. And for the record, just because the Erdnase change is on youtube, doesn’t make it easy. After I learned the sleight, I had to practice it over and over to make sure I could do it without thinking like Kaps. She is so disrespectful and has no clue about performing. I wish that some of the magicians here can go to Kaps defense being that he can’t do it himself on go on youtube comments and give your opinion.
Message: Posted by: Peter Pitchford (Sep 29, 2011 06:29PM)
I find this attitude both on youtube and even in magic clubs. When a newbie knows just enough to get an ego, he just likes to point out to the world, "I know how this is done!" Ask him/her to do it for a paying crowd. #1 they don't even know how to get paying gigs and #2 they could not execute it well enough to do a paying gig. I think it is an ego phase that many of us go through. Hopefully we grow out of it quickly.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 29, 2011 06:37PM)
I hope so. This girl Cara goes on every video of Kaps and makes comments like this. On one of them, she says that Criss Angel is better, so you know where she is coming from.
Message: Posted by: Wizzard (Sep 29, 2011 06:47PM)
Mtpascoe
Thank you for posting the Fred Kaps routine. I start to smile, the begin to laugh out loud. Fred Kaps is just such a technician when it come to his routines. The beauty is the fact that once his routine was set it did not change. He was stable, not off the cuff, it was all scripted and beautifully done. There are not enough people who really care about the performance, they only want to criticize the performer. I am old enough to remember the 60's magic and magicians. Fred Kaps thought 'outside of the box' that's why he was such a star. Probably a good thing he was European.
Regards,
John
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 29, 2011 06:59PM)
I saw this broadcast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ3wR9IClWY&feature=related when I was a teenager in the 70s. I didn't know who he was then, but to me, it was pure magic. I have not seen an artist like that until I saw Slydini on Dick Cavett. It's too bad that he had died a few years after this. Those that go on youtube to critique him might as well be saying that Michelangelo was a hack or dissing the Beatles. No respect for those that paved the way for us.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 29, 2011 09:15PM)
Ignorance is blitz on the Internet, if they only knew what they were talking about! That is what the Internet invites, stupid people making stupid statement about things they know nothing about and people that don' aspire to improve themselves. They have no desire to do anything but draw attention to themselves. Being they are untalented beings, making outrageous statements, draws attention to them, and strokes their egos. It is best to just ignore them, after stating they known nothing of what they are talking about.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 29, 2011 09:22PM)
I think ignoring is a good idea. But, it's tough. I remember going on the wiki page of the great writer Ray Bradbury and seeing disrespecting fools change his page and put hateful comments on there just to have it removed. Then a few days later it goes right back up again just to have it removed... once again.

Bradbury is still alive and I wonder if he has ever gone on there and saw that. I'm sure all of his years of writing, he has proven himself as literary giant. Then you have those that "tag" his bio page. Fred Kaps is dead. He can't defend himself. Thank God he is not around to see this this treatment of him.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 29, 2011 10:01PM)
Remember there is freedom of speech on the Internet, the only problem with the Internet, it does not provide the ramifications that comes from actually knowing who the person is, so they go unpunished, that usually comes about in real life. So they are only weak beings that allows creepy people to do hateful things.

As I said before, just tell them they do not know what they are talking about because the do not have the education to make informed statements.

Then move on, or get off the Internet as it will affect you in a negative way, and that is not good for your well being. Just let it go.

This is just like the statements sometimes made here on the Café. People making statements of things when they did not do the work to prove their statements.

Or when a new product is mentioned and you get pages and pages of questions and statements trying to put down product or guess at the method.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 30, 2011 12:29AM)
Ignorant fools not worth responding to.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 30, 2011 01:17AM)
Pete, when I saw this, I thought about you. You knew Fred very well and it was one of the reasons I posted this. Both of the posters are bullhead and won't change their mind. This Cara and the other twerp, I can't think of his name, but he calls Kaps by his given name Bongers. I don't think this is out of respect, I think he was trying to be little him.

After the first post I made, I haven't responded since then. I have read their other attacks on Kaps and it just makes me mad, but like you said, it's not worth responding to.
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Sep 30, 2011 04:14AM)
I wish more people who put up the clips would just disable all comments.It's easily done and no smart alec can post anything.
[My internet was down last night and I'd no friends for 24 hours!]
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Sep 30, 2011 11:53AM)
They are children. They enjoy getting your goat more than making any kind of point. Why fight with kids who only want to try to upset you?
Message: Posted by: 61magic (Sep 30, 2011 12:27PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 19:37, mtpascoe wrote:
This girl Cara goes on every video of Kaps and makes comments like this. On one of them, she says that Criss Angel is better, so you know where she is coming from.
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Maybe this Cara person can look at a Criss Angel's performance 30 years from and realize what a terrible performer he is. Kaps will be remembered long after Criss Angel is gone from the scene.

LMFAO
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 30, 2011 12:53PM)
Pop you are correct about getting others goat. I have read the other posts she has made on Kaps and she gets into it with another magician who is defending him. It gets ugly with name calling, kind of up her ally it seems like. She seems to enjoy it. She reduces magic to just moves, saying so what and such. That's like saying that the Mona Lisa was painted with brush strokes, what's the big deal about it or Romeo and Juliet was just a bunch of words. Anyone that would reduce the Mona Lisa to a bunch of brush strokes or a great routine like Kaps salt trick to bunch of moves with a gimmick, can't appreciate art.

61magic you are correct. Let's see how Criss Angel's body of work holds up 30 years from now. He is already a has been.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Sep 30, 2011 01:41PM)
I say, take the clip down. Post it again under slightly different name, disable comments. This way, fools are denied their forum.

Jim
Message: Posted by: magicians (Sep 30, 2011 01:46PM)
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On 2011-09-30 14:41, JamesinLA wrote:
I say, take the clip down. Post it again under slightly different name, disable comments. This way, fools are denied their forum.

Jim
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Agreed, I also "report this comment".
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Sep 30, 2011 03:25PM)
A wise adage: Don't feed the trolls
Message: Posted by: Levent (Sep 30, 2011 03:41PM)
Hi Guys:

I believe everyone has a right to have an opinion, but NOT everyone has an informed opinion. For instance I have an opinion about how to prevent a disaster like the one at the Fukishima nuclear plant. But being that I have no education in nuclear physics, civil engineering or a dozen other sciences related to nuclear plants, my opinion cannot and should not have the same weigh as that of an expert.

So in this case you have a great magician on YouTube and the open nature of the internet forum allows people without a strong knowledge of the subject publishing opinions. Haydn is right, these are mostly kids and most of the time they are more interested in stirring up a conflict (AKA Trolls) while hiding comfortably in the anonymity provided by the internet

As for me, I follow this basic rule: Only publish things that you are willing to say to a person face to face.

You can certainly differ with people on all matters big and small, but if everyone followed that rule then I think the internet would be a far more civil place.

One last thing: In the 2001 comedy film "Silent Bob and Jay Strike Back", at the end of the film the two heros get a lot of money and decide to spend it flying around the world, tracking down ALL the people who said bad things about them on internet forums. If that were to really take place, the internet would be a lot more civil overnight! LOL!

The above mentioned scene is on YouTube. Warning, it has a lot of profanity and violence, so if bad language bothers you, DON"T watch it. HERE is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXKAtpLm4I&feature=related
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Sep 30, 2011 04:00PM)
Boy, some real wise words from those that I respect. What you said about meeting people face to face is so true. On Whit's wonderful forum, there was this Transexual who was always a fresh air on these boards. Her comments where always witty and fun. But, then she got attacked by those who find offense to such things and that wonderful spirit was silenced on this board. It was a shame.

The real dangerous part was that she was being stocked by some of these guys. It could have turned dangerous. It definitely got ugly. I won't name names, those on that site know the situation.

I guess the point that Levent is trying to make is, if you can't say anything to someone in person then don't be a chicken and bully anyone on the internet. Enough said.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Oct 1, 2011 10:26PM)
When posting magic videos on YouTube, just disable the comments. There's no sense in giving a jerk a soapbox to stand on.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 2, 2011 07:29AM)
Only a fool argues with a fool.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Oct 2, 2011 10:12AM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-30 12:53, Pop Haydn wrote:
They are children. They enjoy getting your goat more than making any kind of point. Why fight with kids who only want to try to upset you?
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I like fighting with kids, Whit! I'm generally punching downhill, letting gravity do most of the work.

Cheers! :)
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 4, 2013 12:42PM)
This CaraBrimleyRules is an extremely weak minded individual with some deluded sense of self importance.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 4, 2013 02:15PM)
I agree. Like the old saying goes, put your money where your mouth is. I would like to see what this Cara has done that makes her such an expert.
Message: Posted by: Jim Sparx (Apr 4, 2013 03:58PM)
The world is full of armchair performers who have nothing better to do than criticize those who actually perform.

Finding fault in others is a way to disregard your own. Lao Tzu
Message: Posted by: lynnef (Apr 4, 2013 05:33PM)
Despite the ignorant comments, it was very nice to watch an old vid of the master Fred Kaps. His sense of timing was impeccable. You can hear it in the alternating audience laughs and applause! Lynn
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Apr 4, 2013 05:35PM)
YouTube comments: Home to the most jealous, hateful, spiteful, insecure, ignorant, homophobic, lazy and racist humans on earth.


I wish that Whit was correct in that they are children, but I have a feeling that sadly, it's not true.

I sometimes give them a "Thumbs Down" click but would never reply to feed the trolls.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Apr 4, 2013 06:39PM)
"...de mortis nil nisi bonum..."

I saw and heard Fred perform and lecture (I think it was the '74 SAM in Boston) In the lecture, he destroyed a klutz like this Cara Brimley with three words, and the audience cheered. IMHO, he was a master magician. I saw him on the Sullivan show in the '50s. You can't bad mouth Fred Kaps in front of me.

Jay Marshall was invited by Fred to a performance in Chicago before a Dutch group. Jay called Fred, "Absolutely the world's greatest!" Jay: "He did illusions, he did comedy, he did sleights. It was delightful!" Jay didn't get that ecstatic, easily.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Apr 4, 2013 07:01PM)
Personally I react like Frank on bad internet comments : I put a thumbs down on their comment and don'tt argue with them. My time is too precious to get lost in arguing with someone who won't hear a word. I prefer to use this time here on The Magic Café to learn things, to share magic and my experience with a community who loves magic and understand it's values.

And yes, it would be great if the people uploading those videos from our past masters would disable the comments. I would even say with every uploaded magic video. This would avoid stupid comments and revelations of "pseudo secrets", since these people often don't have a clue.

To finish : Fred Kaps - R.I.P., you're one of my true Masters of magic ! Respectfully Yours.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: Jim Sparx (Apr 4, 2013 07:08PM)
I decided to ask a question of, Ms. BrimleyRules, and that is, where she is performing? Can't wait for an answer.

I enjoyed watching the video again and I did not see any "obvious" moves. In fact, I thought it was more enjoyable the third time.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, squat.
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 4, 2013 09:35PM)
I just watched the video again and Fred executes it beautifully. His presentation might not be razor sharp like we've all seen Mr. Kaps in his younger days, but hey? It looks like someone is giving Ms. BrimleyRules a whatfor in those comments though.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 4, 2013 10:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-04 18:33, lynnef wrote:
Despite the ignorant comments, it was very nice to watch an old vid of the master Fred Kaps. His sense of timing was impeccable. You can hear it in the alternating audience laughs and applause! Lynn
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And that's with the disadvantage of performing in front of Beatle fans. And he still killed.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 4, 2013 10:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-04 22:35, KIDDMAGIC wrote:
It looks like someone is giving Ms. BrimleyRules a whatfor in those comments though.
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Probably was me. Like Dick said, “You can't bad mouth Fred Kaps in front of me.” That’s the only reason I blew a head gasket. I never had the honor to see him live. But I remember as a child watching him on tv and to me it was pure magic.
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Apr 5, 2013 11:02AM)
It's the bane of modern technology, where everything is available on youtube, not only to be watched and enjoyed, but to be analyzed and dissected. The reality is they spend all of their time trying to figure out what OTHERS have done. This means they likely aren't doing ANYTHING THEMSELVES.

Kent
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Apr 5, 2013 11:23AM)
Hey Kent! BEAUTIFULLY SAID~ ("...THEY LIKELYI AREN'T DOING ANYTHING THEMSELVES."
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Apr 5, 2013 11:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-04 20:08, spartacus wrote:
I decided to ask a question of, Ms. BrimleyRules, and that is, where she is performing? Can't wait for an answer.

I enjoyed watching the video again and I did not see any "obvious" moves. In fact, I thought it was more enjoyable the third time.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, squat.
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We must have had the same mother!
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 5, 2013 12:29PM)
What gets me is that these trolls criticize the moves as if they expect them to do real magic. They make comments that things are palmed or they are using certain gimmicks. Yeah... how do they expect it to work?

I think the problem is that the Criss Angel crowd think that was he does is real and shun those that use subterfuges to accomplish the same thing. I use to get angry when I worked at a magic shop and laypeople would ask me if he is the real deal. I would look at them with the idiots grin and ask what they meant, "You know... is he real?"

"Yes," I would say, "He is a real person," with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
Message: Posted by: ShirtlessKirk (Apr 5, 2013 06:04PM)
I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that al gore should never had invented the internet.
Message: Posted by: Jim Sparx (Apr 5, 2013 06:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-05 12:27, Dick Oslund wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-04 20:08, spartacus wrote:
I decided to ask a question of, Ms. BrimleyRules, and that is, where she is performing? Can't wait for an answer.

I enjoyed watching the video again and I did not see any "obvious" moves. In fact, I thought it was more enjoyable the third time.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, squat.
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We must have had the same mother!
[/quote]

Then where is my part of the inheritance? :mad:
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 5, 2013 07:57PM)
SCROO the critical fools. Just a side note. When Kaps was on the Sullivan Show that featured the Beatles, he was not there live. His segment was taped separately and added to the show.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 6, 2013 12:14AM)
Thanks for the info Pete. I like when you chime in on discussion about Fred Kaps because you knew him well. There was one point in the Sullivan's intro where the audience got restless and he told them to settle down. I think he said quite or something like that.

As far as the trolls that comment on youtube, they seem to be critical of anything "old school". Like people like Criss Angel can do no wrong. When Doug Henning and David Copperfield first came out, their followers wanted to learn the same tricks as they did. They bought books and tried to buy the same tricks. Then they would become magicians and learn to do things their own way. They were good for magic.

Criss Angel’s followers are not interested in magic. They would buy his cards and pentagrams and not magic tricks. They just want to worship him. That’s why he is not good for magic.
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 6, 2013 09:32PM)
I wouldn't say anything disparaging about Chris Angel myself. I think he's a pretty extraordinary guy and has made magic cool again for a lot of kids. I wonder how many robed conjurers Robert Houdin ticked off by wearing tails and top hat. He's certainly got more kahunas than most. With all of the people in the world now, ignorance is flourishing I'm sure and some of the people he's attracted are bad for magic. What can one do?
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Apr 7, 2013 01:35AM)
My point is that his followers do not do magic, they just worship him as if he has powers, that's the point. And if you have ever met him like I did, you know what a jerk he is. He mistreats those that are extras in his show. A friend and I were so suppose to be featured in one of his episodes and he totally dissed us. He was very mean and then when the cameras came on, his voiced changed and was friendly and nice. What a put-on.

Actually when I met David Copperfield years ago, he wasn't very nice either. But, Copperfield is a very good entertainer. I would pay to see him again and again. I wouldn't give two nickels to have anything to do with Angel again.
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 7, 2013 08:51AM)
You might be right, but you can't judge someone by the way they treat their staff, he's the boss and you, as an outsider, have no idea what they have had to deal with that day. As far as changing when the camera is on, that's not being a put-on, THAT IS SHOW BUSINESS! I guess Copperfield is a good entertainer, but for me, I've always found him incredibly goofy and annoying. That being said, I do prefer Copperfield's approach to conjuring and his close-up manipulations are amazing. I think David Blaine is bad for magic. The man looks and talks like he's stoned out of his mind and his presentations are terrible. Everyone that is not a magician thinks he is a joke.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 7, 2013 10:53AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-07 09:51, KIDDMAGIC wrote:
... but for me, I've always found him incredibly goofy and annoying. That being said, I do prefer Copperfield's approach to conjuring and his close-up manipulations are amazing. I think David Blaine is bad for magic. The man looks and talks like he's stoned out of his mind and his presentations are terrible. Everyone that is not a magician thinks he is a joke.
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You must be thinking of Doug Henning, not David Copperfield. Copperfield owns his own island, so he must be entertaining.

All the kids like Blaine, I could not believe his following that thinks he is wonderful.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 7, 2013 10:58AM)
I have the opposite feeling about Criss. I have worked for him twice. Both times he was polite, cooperative and did everything asked of him (See my photos in his book "Mindfreak") He also paid quickly and well.
David has been very good in our relationships. Last time I ran into him he still remembered the first time I photographed him, saying it was the best publicity shot he's had.
A lot of this "Hate?" is, IMHO, generational. Older magicians dislike Angel, but youngsters I've talked to really like him. He, like Doug Henning before has inspired many kids to like and get into magic.
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 7, 2013 06:09PM)
Bill, you do realize people have personal preferences and tastes, right? I express my tastes and you think I'm confused? Lord in heaven... I wouldn't think it possible to mistake Copperfield for Henning, especially since I grew up watching them and Copperfield never once said "Welcome to the wonderful world of magic."lol Yes, Copperfield is the single most successful magician of all time and I'm glad he owns an island. His greatest trick was getting Claudia Schiffer to marry him though.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 9, 2013 11:28AM)
[b]David married Schiffer NOT.[/b]
Message: Posted by: KIDDMAGIC (Apr 10, 2013 12:39PM)
You're absolutely right Mr. Biro. So his greatest trick was getting Clauia Schiffer to sleep with him. lol
Message: Posted by: gmsmagic1 (Apr 21, 2013 12:33PM)
The best response is no response when idiots promote their stupidity in any public forum. Responses only draw more attention to the comment, giving the poster the satisfaction of achieving their goal. And the more responses a posting gets, the higher the posting appears among search results.

If one feels compelled to respond, do it in a separate posting promoting the facts you wish to highlight, or in this case the legend for what he truly is. And turn off the reply capability so the idiots can't tarnish your feedback.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Apr 21, 2013 05:40PM)
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On 2013-04-10 13:39, KIDDMAGIC wrote:
You're absolutely right Mr. Biro. So his greatest trick was getting Clauia Schiffer to sleep with him. lol
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This is still to be prooven. I remember when they visited Dinseyland Paris for the press and VIP opening of the attraction "Space Mountain - A journey from the earth to the moon", they stayed in the presidential suite of the Disneyland hotel. A houskeeping officer told me after they had left the hotel that the bed in this suite was broken...lol

I didn't see anything, but it could have happened...lol

Anyway, this isn't really important, but I thought a funny thing to tell, if nobody minds.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: jethro63 (Mar 13, 2016 03:43PM)
Watching the clip of Fred Kaps performing the Chinese Sticks on Sullivan is what got me back into magic. Imagine performing a trick that was included in toy magic kits and had its instructions on how to build in those old red hardbound Popular Mechanics books. The Sullivan performance (1964) may have been before that happened (I don't know) but he still performed it in the 70s when almost every magician (and many laymen) knew how it was done.

It was brilliant, you suspended disbelief even though you knew exactly what he was doing and just went along for the ride to enjoy the performance. Below is a Youtube clip of him performing "The Homing Card" and the "Chinese Sticks" in the 70s. He's even better than when he was younger doing them on the Sullivan show. Check out when he looks at the card to check it (3:12). Comedy gold, it kills me every time. He also cracks me up doing the sticks when he says "It's so easy when you know it...and I KNOW IT"

I wish there was a clip of him doing the Chinese Sticks on Sullivan. I have it on an old VHS but wish I could get it off Youtube.

Other Fred Kaps video ("The Homing Card" and the "Chinese Sticks")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNOJK6RVazM
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 13, 2016 04:27PM)
Jetro63, thanks for the reference, been looking for the Kaps Sticks routine for some time. It looks like he was using the Ken Brooke Nemo Chinese Sticks in that video.

There are many ways to easily transfer video tape to digital. The easiest would be to install a Hauppuge Television card with VCR into a desktop computer and simply play the video and record it, it will automatically record it and transfer it to Jpg (Jpeg format) so you can put it on the web or burn to DVD.
Message: Posted by: Pirouz (Mar 13, 2016 09:30PM)
Bill,
No!
That is incorrect.
The jpg extension is NOT used for video. Jpgs are photos not video.

I routinely transfer from VHS and 8mm tape to DVD.
There are many video formats such as MP4, avi, flv, mov, etc.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Mar 13, 2016 09:56PM)
Old thread but
There are a lot of instances where a live performance does not translate well to a moving medium like Film, Tape and the Zoetrope (just seeing if you’re reading)

There are a lot more instances where a photo of an inexpensive item looks so good you have to buy one.:(

Shooting live action - the eye takes-in the entire scene whereas, sitting in an audience the eye roams and can be misdirected easier.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 14, 2016 01:41AM)
[quote]On Mar 13, 2016, Pirouz wrote:
Bill,
No!
That is incorrect.
The jpg extension is NOT used for video. Jpgs are photos not video.

I routinely transfer from VHS and 8mm tape to DVD.
There are many video formats such as MP4, avi, flv, mov, etc. [/quote]

Pirouz, looks like you got it wrong as well, it was MPeg1 or 2.

MPeg1 or 2, is best to convert. My television automatically converts to Mpeg1 automatically, as does my Pinnacle.

Although you are only partially correct, as avi is raw and a terrible extension to use, flv is to compressed and losses to much quality. Mov is only for Apple computers.

Pirouz, Nice to have you watching over me, I don't know what I would do without you. You might now consider helping the person who I was responding to.
Message: Posted by: RJLockwood (Mar 20, 2016 08:13PM)
Comments like those make me upset. Someone said earlier about people knowing just enough to think they know everything... :lol: that's so right.
Its those people that go on youtube for a few hours and then think they know everything about magic...

Homing card...? OBVIOUSLY Rough/Smooth
Diminishing Cards...? OBVIOUSLY hes just doing a double lift :rotf: (I hope no one has ever said that lol)
"Erdnase Color Change is OBVIOUSLY EASY theres tutorials all over youtube!" Is she trying to embarrass herself? (Ive seen a tutorial on building a helicopter on youtube before, is that easy too???)

Fred Kaps was an amazing performer, end of story.

Ill stay out of the Angel/Blaine/Copperfield thing except to say Bill Malone talks VERY HIGHLY of Blaine in his Lecture (especially saying he has superb practice habits and really works hard). Anything else I could say would just be uninformed opinions ;)

Thanks, Ryan Lockwood.
Message: Posted by: jethro63 (May 5, 2016 01:44PM)
[quote]On Mar 13, 2016, jethro63 wrote:
Watching the clip of Fred Kaps performing the Chinese Sticks on Sullivan is what got me back into magic. Imagine performing a trick that was included in toy magic kits and had its instructions on how to build in those old red hardbound Popular Mechanics books. The Sullivan performance (1964) may have been before that happened (I don't know) but he still performed it in the 70s when almost every magician (and many laymen) knew how it was done.[/quote]Just to clarify this, after a little research I found that the Chinese sticks was tipped in Popular Mechanics in the December 1962 issue. Not sure what the date of his Sullivan performance was, but if he did the sticks on the Beatles broadcast it was February 1964, so the secret was well out by then. Just shows what a great performer can do.
Message: Posted by: Leo H (May 5, 2016 09:00PM)
Kaps performed the Homing Card and the Salt Pour on the February 1964 Beatles broadcast.
Message: Posted by: jethro63 (Mar 23, 2020 06:51PM)
Fred Kaps' first Ed Sullivan appearance and (according to Ed) first American TV appearance in 1956 (start at 42:45).
https://youtu.be/GB61BHc3dHM?t=2565
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 24, 2020 05:50PM)
[quote]On May 5, 2016, jethro63 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 13, 2016, jethro63 wrote:
Watching the clip of Fred Kaps performing the Chinese Sticks on Sullivan is what got me back into magic. Imagine performing a trick that was included in toy magic kits and had its instructions on how to build in those old red hardbound Popular Mechanics books. The Sullivan performance (1964) may have been before that happened (I don't know) but he still performed it in the 70s when almost every magician (and many laymen) knew how it was done.[/quote]Just to clarify this, after a little research I found that the Chinese sticks was tipped in Popular Mechanics in the December 1962 issue. Not sure what the date of his Sullivan performance was, but if he did the sticks on the Beatles broadcast it was February 1964, so the secret was well out by then. Just shows what a great performer can do. [/quote]


I don't remember the Chinese sticks being explained in that magazine special edition. I did make the production mirror box, with dad's help back then. To bad those cookie sheet polished surfaces are not available any longer. They looked just like chrome, and were a great substitute for a mirror.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Mar 26, 2020 09:58AM)
Bill, I think you're confusing _Popular Mechanics_ with the Science and Mechanics _Magic Handbook_, which did have the mirror box made with cookie sheet mirrors.
There were, though, a few issues of _Popular Mechanics_ that exposed magic tricks--including the Chinese Sticks.
The December 1935 issue of _Popular Mechanics_ had an article by Cardini where he exposed a sponge ball trick among others.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: jethro63 (Mar 28, 2020 04:57PM)
[quote]On Mar 26, 2020, Anatole wrote:
The December 1935 issue of _Popular Mechanics_ had an article by Cardini where he exposed a sponge ball trick among others.[/quote]
https://archive.org/stream/PopularMechanics1935/Popular_Mechanics_12_1935#page/n143/mode/2up

Popular Mechanics, December 1962, they tip the method of the Chinese sticks. They are not full instructions on how to build, but give an adequate idea in the form of a drawing.
http://tinyurl.com/zze7g2z