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Topic: Recommendations for new material
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 13, 2011 08:29PM)
I do a Halloween show every year for the same group of friends and their kids, and I'm running out of material! Can you guys recommend some new tricks? Obviously they must require days not weeks of practice... So far I was thinking of the Vanishing Bandana, Chico... what else is great and can be picked up in a few days? Or should I recycle elements of my regular show?
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Oct 13, 2011 08:48PM)
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On 2011-10-13 21:29, billappleton wrote:
Or should I recycle elements of my regular show?
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it's funny but if a prop is a different color or size as the same prop - kids don't remember the first one.

Example: I used to carry two sets of linking rings and IF the kids called-out "We already saw that one" I'd ask 'OH... you've seen the 8 inch rings?" They 'Yes" Me "But did you see the 10 inch rings?" Then I exchanged the rings and proceeded. I did the same thing with a red and blue Die Box. I also have 4 different choppers / swords and because the props look different the show looks different - forget about the fact that it's basically the same routine.

On a funnier (kinda) note: I knew a magician who switched the first three tricks with the last three tricks and advertised "Two Different Shows". He should have switched the entire first half with the second half, to make that claim credible!!!!

Let's see who's buying that. All in favour...

But to answer your question seriously, go get some new stuff that works like the old stuff but looks different.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Oct 13, 2011 09:57PM)
I've only tried the bandana trick a few times, but a guy I know used to do it a lot, but said too many kids didn't seem to get the pun or know what a bandana is. Pressure is easy and cheap and you don't just need to use cell phones. Squared circle is easy and works well for me because I pull out funny stuff. Gag wands for kids around 7 and under. Balance a ping pong ball on your nose (but it's rubber cemented or double sided taped on your nose) and of course reveal the secret "by accident".
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 14, 2011 10:58AM)
Yeah, don't do the Vanishing Bandanna, it's a lousy trick, and kids won't get it :pirate: :dancing:
Seriously though, there are a zillion tricks out there. Surely, you must have some ideas for routines you'd present as an alternative? It does rather depend on the age range of the kids - and your style, etc. Very difficult to suggest suitable material for your show, with no real information. For a start, you could let us know what they HAVE seen, so that we know which effects to discount.
Jay had a good point - for instance, repeat shows for younger kids, I present "Blooming Flower", "Botania", "Flito Flower", etc....and I also use "Magic Painting", "Invisible Painting", "Colouring Book" (you all know I'm not a big fan of that one, so it's rarely in a show), "The Great painting Competition", "Picto Transpo", and several more effects which are all very similar, but different, and therefore acceptable as "new material".
Most importantly, you should come up with new gags for your second and third shows.
Potty ;)
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 14, 2011 07:13PM)
Wow thanks all for the great advice, I'm listening carefully.

Here is a list from the last few years, except I wouldn't do all of this, some things get switched out depending on conditions:

Parasol Production
Applause Meter
Tip Over Trunk --> kid appears
Bubble Dream -- miser's dream with bubbles into a bucket
Bigger Wands & Biggest Wand
Die Box & Appearing / Disappearing Canes
Multiplying Bottles
Milk to Silk --> milk pitcher, funnel & confetti bucket, diminishing milk to silk
Drawing Board
Flying Carpet
Zombie
Square Circle

We have a dwarf bunny these days, so I was looking at using Coco for an appearance / disappearance...
Message: Posted by: makeupguy (Oct 14, 2011 10:02PM)
I hear that Hocus Pocus may still have one of my MISMADE MONSTER tricks.. like a stratosphere.. but better..
http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/

type in mismade monster

it's brilliant!

Sadly.. it's sold out at my OWN shop/site
http://www.wack-o-magic.com
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 14, 2011 10:18PM)
Awesome I love it... and perfect for Halloween.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Oct 14, 2011 10:40PM)
I'd recycle old teabags before I would consider the bandana trick. It's as lazy as magic gets. Surely we are better than that?

Why not use your existing stock of tricks, but in new ways? Come up with new routines for existing stuff, and new patter. And I recommend adding a simple puppet routine.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 15, 2011 06:19AM)
Hi Tony I think puppets are great, I love characters, but I have not put in the time for ventriloquism.

I want a puppet routine that does some magic, too.

Which leaves Chico and.... what?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 15, 2011 11:46AM)
Halloween is in two weeks shouldn't you have thought about this last Summer?
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Oct 15, 2011 02:40PM)
Al I was thinking the same thing!!

but I am confused here as every one is saying that the vanishing bandana trick is a loser! what!
it was one of my favorites to perform and got the kids and adults screaming and laughing so hard. now maybe its the way you presented it that left things to be desired.

I so wish I could still perform the bandana trick, how I miss it so much!

just curious as to why you don't like it or think its a bust!??
sam
Message: Posted by: MagiCol (Oct 15, 2011 05:12PM)
QWuote: I have not put in the time for ventriloquism.

I want a puppet routine that does some magic, too.

You don't have to be a ventriloquist. If the kids are young and the setting is right, you should be able to get away with just holding the puppet up and using a slightly altered voice for it, in response to you speaking in ordinary voice. Main thing is to move the mouth of the puppet in synch with the word syllables. But, of course, the puppet on one of your hands means you have to do your magic one-handed [now there's a challenge], or have a child up on stage or the crowd to interact with, or put the puppet on its own little chair to watch you while you perform and then fit it on your hand to comment on your performance.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 16, 2011 02:22AM)
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On 2011-10-15 15:40, Sam Sandler wrote:
Al I was thinking the same thing!!

but I am confused here as every one is saying that the vanishing bandana trick is a loser! what!
it was one of my favorites to perform and got the kids and adults screaming and laughing so hard. now maybe its the way you presented it that left things to be desired.

I so wish I could still perform the bandana trick, how I miss it so much!

just curious as to why you don't like it or think its a bust!??
sam
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Curious why you can't perform the Vanishing Bandanna anymore?
Potty
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Oct 16, 2011 03:16AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-13 21:48, jay leslie wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-10-13 21:29, billappleton wrote:
Or should I recycle elements of my regular show?
[/quote

it's funny but if a prop is a different color or size as the same prop - kids don't remember the first one.

Example: I used to carry two sets of linking rings and IF the kids called-out "We already saw that one" I'd ask 'OH... you've seen the 8 inch rings?" They 'Yes" Me "But did you see the 10 inch rings?" Then I exchanged the rings and proceeded. I did the same thing with a red and blue Die Box. I also have 4 different choppers / swords and because the props look different the show looks different - forget about the fact that it's basically the same routine.

On a funnier (kinda) note: I knew a magician who switched the first three tricks with the last three tricks and advertised "Two Different Shows". He should have switched the entire first half with the second half, to make that claim credible!!!!

Let's see who's buying that. All in favour...

But to answer your question seriously, go get some new stuff that works like the old stuff but looks different.
[/quote]

This gave me an idea...

Has anyone ever done a BACKWARDS show? You walk out and do your closer and do a full show backwards ending the set by thanking the audience and introducing yourself? Might be a fun experiment to see how it plays...?
Message: Posted by: TommyJ (Oct 16, 2011 05:20AM)
That's funny Chris. The audience would think they were in the twilight zone.
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Oct 16, 2011 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-14 23:02, makeupguy wrote:
I hear that Hocus Pocus may still have one of my MISMADE MONSTER tricks.. like a stratosphere.. but better..
http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/

type in mismade monster

it's brilliant!

Sadly.. it's sold out at my OWN shop/site
http://www.wack-o-magic.com
[/quote]

I'd be very interested to see when version 2 is out!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Oct 17, 2011 06:43PM)
Excellent idea Christopher.

Someone should give it a try, maybe not for a paying audience, but more during a magic club show or a private family show. To push this idea further this would mean to present the effects backwards aswell, have the music played backwards. The only problem will be the patter : Nobody would understand a word. So I guess this would more work for a silent 8 minutes act.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: Cheshire Cat (Oct 18, 2011 05:19AM)
Halloween?

Guess I have a distinct prop. advantage here :)

http://youtu.be/fO5XsKj7D0Q

T. (That's my posting for this year!)
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Oct 18, 2011 07:57AM)
You'll find some good ideas for Halloween Magic when you visit a party store, then check out my "Magic With Themed Party Goods" from The Wizards' Journal #14. Not only will you be set for Halloween, but for any other season or theme which is featured in any Party Store. Takes paper cups, paper plates, napkins, and tablecloths on any theme or season and turns them into magic. I also recommend Eleazar's "Cauldron Capers" from the same Wizards' Journal #14, for a variety of ways to use those little plastic cauldrons that are in all the stores right now.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 18, 2011 09:44AM)
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On 2011-10-18 06:19, Cheshire Cat wrote:
Guess I have a distinct prop. advantage here :)

http://youtu.be/fO5XsKj7D0Q
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That Skeleton Puppet is insanely great!
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Oct 18, 2011 01:05PM)
A friend of mine had a skeleton like that in the late 60s, Dave Kornelly and I believe he said it was an old Vaudeville idea. Fun.
Message: Posted by: Leland (Oct 20, 2011 06:41AM)
The backward show is a great idea but where to do it? and to whom?
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 21, 2011 01:21PM)
My backwards show would start with me taking candy away from all the kids.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Oct 22, 2011 09:34PM)
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On 2011-10-20 07:41, Leland wrote:
The backward show is a great idea but where to do it? and to whom?
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Maybe the client will respond in kind, and ask you for your fee.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 24, 2011 08:22PM)
Hi all,

Thanks for the help, things were great, here is a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhGZ_ub4iQ
Message: Posted by: TommyJ (Oct 25, 2011 06:13AM)
Ok . . . I am jealous! No . . . I am SUPER jealous!!!! Great piece Bill, but man, you work to hard. Hope you charged extra to lug that thing to a house party! :)
Message: Posted by: Michael238 (Oct 25, 2011 06:16AM)
Buy anything Tommy James makes.
The guy is a genius
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 25, 2011 08:32AM)
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On 2011-10-25 07:13, TommyJ wrote:
Ok . . . I am jealous! No . . . I am SUPER jealous!!!! Great piece Bill, but man, you work to hard. Hope you charged extra to lug that thing to a house party! :)
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Wow thanks Tommy! Yes, my kids show would make Thurston proud, but it fills a long bed pickup.

Hey I saw your new Christmas Wand, this looks really great, I'm thinking of adding that in right before the Water Torture Cell and Vanishing Stagecoach. :)

Best, Bill
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Oct 25, 2011 09:52AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-24 21:22, billappleton wrote:
Hi all,

Thanks for the help, things were great, here is a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhGZ_ub4iQ
[/quote]

Nice box Bill I love the cart design as well. to cover the one side. Did you make that box yourself or have a builder make it?

Great way to start a show!
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 25, 2011 10:07AM)
Hi Kevin,

I am trying to make my own equipment where possible.

Yes, that cart design is very helpful! The angles are quite good.

You must have a hidden area to roll out from, that is a limitation for some shows.

If there is room I like to come out and cut a few donuts to show all sides of the box, this space was too tight for that.

The box can be filled with stuff, and the cart acts as a dolly for other pieces of equipment, so it's not really that impractical.

With a few minutes of practice you can produce the Birthday child in their own show, although I don't like the exposure.
Message: Posted by: CarlEJones (Oct 25, 2011 12:14PM)
Just have to say, Tommy James stuff is 110%! Can't wait to get the new wand! His measle wand IS a show! I finally stop after 5 minutes of LOUD laughs because I am tired. The kids want MORE!!

Also, sure, VB is simple but not easy. You MUST sell it and the kids or adults have always loved it in my shows. I don't always perform it but when I do I ALWAYS get a great reaction.
Message: Posted by: CarlEJones (Oct 25, 2011 12:18PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-16 04:16, Christopher Lyle wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-10-13 21:48, jay leslie wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-10-13 21:29, billappleton wrote:
Or should I recycle elements of my regular show?
[/quote

it's funny but if a prop is a different color or size as the same prop - kids don't remember the first one.

Example: I used to carry two sets of linking rings and IF the kids called-out "We already saw that one" I'd ask 'OH... you've seen the 8 inch rings?" They 'Yes" Me "But did you see the 10 inch rings?" Then I exchanged the rings and proceeded. I did the same thing with a red and blue Die Box. I also have 4 different choppers / swords and because the props look different the show looks different - forget about the fact that it's basically the same routine.

On a funnier (kinda) note: I knew a magician who switched the first three tricks with the last three tricks and advertised "Two Different Shows". He should have switched the entire first half with the second half, to make that claim credible!!!!

Let's see who's buying that. All in favour...

But to answer your question seriously, go get some new stuff that works like the old stuff but looks different.
[/quote]

This gave me an idea...

Has anyone ever done a BACKWARDS show? You walk out and do your closer and do a full show backwards ending the set by thanking the audience and introducing yourself? Might be a fun experiment to see how it plays...?
[/quote]

I LOVE the backward show idea!!! FUNNY!!!!
Message: Posted by: CarlEJones (Oct 25, 2011 12:21PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-24 21:22, billappleton wrote:
Hi all,

Thanks for the help, things were great, here is a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhGZ_ub4iQ
[/quote]

Great magic! It was super to see the kid appear!!
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Oct 25, 2011 12:53PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-25 11:07, billappleton wrote:
Hi Kevin,

I am trying to make my own equipment where possible.

Yes, that cart design is very helpful! The angles are quite good.

You must have a hidden area to roll out from, that is a limitation for some shows.

If there is room I like to come out and cut a few donuts to show all sides of the box, this space was too tight for that.

The box can be filled with stuff, and the cart acts as a dolly for other pieces of equipment, so it's not really that impractical.

With a few minutes of practice you can produce the Birthday child in their own show, although I don't like the exposure.
[/quote]

Hi Bill I know the prop pretty well I was just wondering if you built it yourself? Also where did you get the cart?

I agree it was a great plcae for making the child appear othe places in the house it might not work so well
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 25, 2011 01:46PM)
Hi Kevin, I built the cart and the box
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Oct 25, 2011 08:22PM)
Well then congrats Bill you did a great job!
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Oct 26, 2011 12:46AM)
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On 2011-10-25 14:46, billappleton wrote:
Hi Kevin, I built the cart and the box
[/quote]

Liked that! I'm not sure I'd want to carry that around but it is a great opener. Did you use anyone's plans or was it your own design?

Mark
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 26, 2011 07:30AM)
Hi Mark,

This was my design. I ruined a prototype before figuring it out, but it's not that hard.

There are some nice features, like the air vent on the lid. Keeps kids conscious longer. :)

If anyone wants dimensions or pictures just PM me, or maybe I can put them in the secret session.

Best
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Oct 27, 2011 03:05AM)
Hi Bill,

Your idea to make the kid appear out of the box is great. I wonder how you get to manage that the kid won't say a word. ^^ Your prop is very nice build and it looks awesome, but...

I think you should add the second trunk, to make a double tip over box. This will give you a better angle view, making the illusion perfect.

Great work anyway. Congratulations !!!

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Oct 27, 2011 09:45AM)
Hi Oliver, that cart is my idea for the angle problem. The height of the cart lets me use my body on one side, and the handle protects the other side. This version can't be done surrounded, but people behind the stage don't see much magic with a double trunk either.