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Topic: Intro help ..for upcoming 11 yeard old Magic Show
Message: Posted by: MagicJac (Oct 24, 2011 01:38PM)
Ok - so if anyone has read my previous post in reference to an upcoming Birthday 11 year Show - need some help with the intro start pattern - at least the sart and if anyone can give me more tips for the rest of my patterns then props to you -

I start my 2-9 year old show with - after setting up in front of them for 5-10 mintues - I put on my coat and top hat and start ..

Hi Boys and girls.. My name is MagicJac and were here to celebrate ____ birthday ... Lets give ____ a round of a appluse for this birthday ! and so and so forth
then I go into Are you ready for some Magic - ..then say wait forgot my Magic wand - I know.. its behind my cart !- proceed to pull out 1 or 2 other silly objects not wands as I pretend not to notice and they usually react ..NO ..acting surpise .then get the wilting flower - do the gig where I don't see when it drops and so forth ...until I pull out a silk that changes to the wand when they say the magic words and so forth ..


Well I need to change that sart for the 11 year olds- I definately don't think pulling out silly objects instead of wand will work with them ..unless I see a bunch of smaller kids .. regardles the 11 year old will see bigger and better stuff later on

Thanks for the help

MagicJac
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 24, 2011 02:39PM)
"hands up who's seen me before?"
"hands up who hasn't seen me before?"
"hands up who couldn't care less if they've seen me before or not...." (apparently in the States it's COULD care less....though it makes no sense at all).

Bill Abbott's 5 Card Opener
Hot Book
etc....
Message: Posted by: kimmo (Oct 24, 2011 02:56PM)
Potty - Hands up gags - really????

I'd tell them it might be a good idea to lower their expectations...
Message: Posted by: MichaelCGM (Oct 24, 2011 03:07PM)
[quote]On 2011-10-24 15:39, Potty the Pirate wrote: "hands up who couldn't care less if they've seen me before or not...." (apparently in the States it's COULD care less....though it makes no sense at all).[/quote]Not to sidetrack the OP, but the correct line, in the States, is "[i]couldn't[/i] care less." It's just that so many butcher the original line. :)
Message: Posted by: MagicJac (Oct 24, 2011 04:01PM)
I like that line one Potty The Pirate ! but after I don't have Bill Abbott's 5 Card Opener
or Hot Book

maybe go into the:

- wilting rose?
-Silk Vanish ?
-Silk 2 Cane?
-Peanut Butter and Jelly ?

any way of doing funny objects come out instead of wands with a pattern(script) for (11 year olds)?

as far as pattern a bit more for this age range ?

Thanks again !

MagicJac
Message: Posted by: MichaelCGM (Oct 24, 2011 04:27PM)
Why not simply start with the silk in your hand, as you introduce yourself, then turn it into a wand and move into your next segment? Just a thought. :)
Message: Posted by: MagicJac (Oct 24, 2011 04:47PM)
This is what I use on my normal show:

I say I'm getting my wand - but I mess up a couple of times with silly objects till I get the

wiliting rose

silk to Wand!

silk vanish

silk from mouth

mouth coil

Change Bag - with mismade flag - need a young kids pattern here - not sure about using change bag with 11 year olds?

Flower Box -

Baloon 2 Dove

Pocorn 2 Bunny

Coat Float

I also use nested wands sometimes - but don't have a set pattern - or the band the bends as a gag effect.

any how I think I maybe over thinking it - hey but you know the saying - better safe than sorry!

Thanks Again !
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Oct 24, 2011 05:14PM)
The hand's up gag I use to open my hypnosis show. Adults go for it. I have never tried it with kids as an opener, but they go for it too.

My advice on opening for this age is to open funny and open fast. A good gag, and a piece of quick magic that lets them know you are a good magician. I often ask one kid would he like to see the world's fastest card trick. I do nothing for half a second, then ask him would he like to see it again. It's a poor gag, but for some reason always gets a laugh. Then I do a fast and direct card trick.

Then I dump the cards - I hate card magic!

Get their respect, and they will love you.
Message: Posted by: kimmo (Oct 24, 2011 05:29PM)
I genuinely do have an intro where I tell the kids to lower their expectations and explain all the reasons they are not going to enjoy the show - it builds and builds and it's a great, self deprecating way to start. Kids of that age hate you if you come over the big 'I am'. I suppose that's why the hands up gag works - I just have an aversion to it because I hear virtually every act open with it !!
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Oct 24, 2011 05:43PM)
This is the last year you can get away with the kid's stuff. Remember, they are turning 11, so these are not middle-schoolers yet. So what the 9 yrs. like, they should like too. As stated before, establish yourself as a good magician early, and you can do the goofy stuff later. You might even consider doing a card trick before your show starts to amaze them and get them on your side. Once they're on your side, they'll go along with the silly stuff.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 25, 2011 12:39AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-24 18:29, kimmo wrote:
I genuinely do have an intro where I tell the kids to lower their expectations and explain all the reasons they are not going to enjoy the show - it builds and builds and it's a great, self deprecating way to start. Kids of that age hate you if you come over the big 'I am'. I suppose that's why the hands up gag works - I just have an aversion to it because I hear virtually every act open with it !!
[/quote]
I agree that being self-deprecating works well for this age. In fact, most ages. As for hands-up gags - we used them all the time on cheesy cruise ship shows, which were for adults and seniors. Though I think the phrase we used for Americans was "By a show of hands...."
I would steer well clear of "proppy" effects for these kids, unless you have very unusual stuff. NO change bags, pictures of bunnies, or big colourful boxes. Or PB&J.
One trick I've used to open for this age is the "Vanishing Torch"...plays quite well, as it's instant, visual magic, and has the "shock factor" as you apparently toss a flaming torch into the midst of the audience. Also, I wouldn't use any kind of magic wand, or even substitute anything in place of one. The Appearing or Vanishing Cane is good, though....I prefer the vanishing cane to confetti. Even with these tricks though, you have the slight issue of using an unfamiliar object.
How about coming on with a can of Coke (half empty) and a glass.....pour the last of the Coke into the glass....set the can aside, and drink the Coke as you deliver your initial gags. Then pick up the can again (having s****ed it out), and explain that you get REALLY thirsty when you do magic shows. Now you're ready to restore and refill the can. (Healed and Sealed). You could also hold onto the can, and s****h it out as you reach for another prop or item after drinking the Coke.
How about some more cheesy one-liners:
"There's nothing like a great magic show, eh guys? And this is nothing like a great magic show. Seriously though, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a magician badly. And I'm certainly a bad magician."
Or open with a newspaper tear, and read some headlines, an old ploy, but it still works:
"Thieves broke into the local police station and stole the toilet. Police say they have nothing to go on." etc....
Doug
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Oct 25, 2011 09:37AM)
I don't think you have to steer clear of all props. Change bag would be ok I think, but steer clear of PB&J for sure!
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Oct 25, 2011 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-24 16:07, MichaelCGM wrote:
Not to sidetrack the OP, but the correct line, in the States, is "[i]couldn't[/i] care less." It's just that so many butcher the original line. :)
[/quote]

:thumbsup: That's a pet peeve of mine!
Message: Posted by: Leland (Oct 26, 2011 06:15AM)
It's a cross between kids stuff and adults stuff. In my experience some of those 11 year olds will behave like young adults others like 6 year olds. You have to be ready to deal with both groups. Stay away from the kiddie stuff, "Anyone know a good magic word?" wonít work. If you're a manipulator this type of effect will play big, that's their idea of a true magician and I think thatís what they're looking for.

Just be prepared with some adults stuff.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 26, 2011 11:29AM)
Jay, I personally couldn't get away with a change bag for this age, not in my area. Unless, that is, it's used in an unconventional way. I do use a CB for my "Bill in Lemon" routine....but I use it as a bit of a red herring. The bag doesn't have much to do with the effect - although it allows me to vanish the bill....whilst at the same time, hinting to my audience that I used a dodgy prop to effect the vanish, and that somehow I have managed to get it back in my possession. This is exactly what I want them to think, but in fact the real method is totally different.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Oct 26, 2011 01:54PM)
For this situation I start by acting very serious and telling the kids that since they are older I will be doing grown up magic and not any of that silly stuff I do for the kids...

While saying that I keep clearing my throat and at the end of the sentence I begin to pull a rainbow colored mouthcoil out of my mouth.

This gets a big laugh and lets the kids know that even though I have acknowledged that they are older and am planning to do some "grown up" magic, I am still going to be very silly.

Magical Michael If you hadn't corrected that statement I would have. I cringe every time I hear "I could care less". This is on par with people who say "He over exagerated...". (which would only be a correct on that rare occasion when someone had been instructed to exaggerate but they went to far)
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Oct 26, 2011 02:30PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-24 17:01, MagicJac wrote:

any way of doing funny objects come out instead of wands with a pattern(script) for (11 year olds)?

as far as pattern a bit more for this age range ?

Thanks again !

MagicJac
[/quote]

Not to side track the thread. or to put you on the spot MagicJac. But, I find it interesting that you used the word pattern for the term patter. I have seen several posts here lately and I have seen this on other web sites. I wonder where this is suddenly coming from. It is different people on different sites subtituting pattern for patter. Is it spell check or something else?

HMM.?
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Oct 29, 2011 11:19PM)
I am wondering if Multiplying Bottles would be good for 11 year olds?


Yes? No?
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Oct 30, 2011 02:22AM)
[quote]
"hands up who couldn't care less if they've seen me before or not...." (apparently in the States it's COULD care less....though it makes no sense at all).
[/quote]
No, it's not. Although most people here seem to say that. It's totally incorrect, I'm not sure how it started. Drives me crazy.

[quote]
On 2011-10-30 00:19, Howie Diddot wrote:
I am wondering if Multiplying Bottles would be good for 11 year olds?

Yes? No?
[/quote]
That's a completely redundant question. It depends completely on the presentation. Tricks are mostly irrelevant.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Oct 30, 2011 07:38AM)
If your kids show has no kids props in it, then it is quite easy to change your patter and make your show suit any age group. I have done my kids act in a pub full of adults, when I forgot my adult act. Because I don't use props (beyond the normal sponge balls, silks, hankies, etc) there was nothing to make people feel they were watching something childish. It's a thing to think about.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Oct 30, 2011 01:32PM)
Tony, I think your approach is fine, but also, younger kids really enjoy silly, colourful props. The mistake is to assume that those same colourful props will play well for teenagers and adults.
I tend to see the same kids over and over again. As they get older, the Wacky Wolf props are gradually removed from my shows, to be replaced by normal objects. If I were to take your approach, Tony, I think I'd find myself performing the same show too often, even if the patter and presentation were different. I'd rather take full advantage of the fascination young kids have with silly props, when I'm performing for these age groups. When they are several years older, they will see a completely different show, with cans of soda, ropes, cards, cellphones, shoes, and other "familiar" objects.
Doug
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Oct 30, 2011 04:30PM)
Potty, I don't keep to the same tricks. I have about three hours of material for kids, so it is no problem adapting and changing if I see the same kids again. Sometimes I do storytelling instead, which always goes down big. I just find it more satisfying to my job without the props. It's a personal choice - but I must say that the Wolf props, while beautifully made, represent everything I think is wrong with kids magic. They distract from the personality of the performer, and impose a uniformity on the art. I know some performers rise above that, but if we are honest, most don't. There are so many guys who think if they get a rabbit, a chair suspension, and some colourful big props, they have a show. They are wrong; they won't have a show until they get a personality.

I have seen clips of you performing, and I hope you understand that what I said there does not apply to you. All the best, Tony