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Topic: Something Simple...Right? -- Sl**v* Bouquet
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Nov 22, 2011 08:57PM)
OK,
This should be simple right?
I use a simple bouquet as my "opener"...

Storyline:
When Drosselmeyer enters, he greets the father and mother, introduces his nephew and then magically produces a bouquet of flowers that is he hands to the nephew to present to Clara"

This is my fifth year doing the act, but I still am not satisfied or confident in how I produce the flowers. Up to this point, I have been producing it from a Top Hat. Sometimes it goes OK...sometimes disasterous! There is that strong memory of two years ago that makes me break out in a sweat: Our Congressman is in the audience with his family for the show...I produce the flowers, but it is caught and I practically tear off my tuxedo...but the flowers appear!! (100% True)

This year I plan to try a silk presentation rather than a Top Hat presentation. Any advice re: proper set-up and how I can practice this to make it "silky" smooth?

Thanks in advance!
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 23, 2011 06:25AM)
Are you using Feathered Flowers? If not, what type of flowers?
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Nov 23, 2011 09:38AM)
I am using a feather bouquet....

( well, this one exactly: http://www.abramagicshop.com/flower-magic/sleeve-bouquet-10-red/yellow-flowers-stage-magic-trick/ It is described as a cloth flower bouquet, but it is feathered if you ask me. )

Not realistic flowers by any means, but a reasonable facsimile for our purposes.

Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Nov 23, 2011 10:20AM)
You might consider some realistic spring flowers that form a bouquet when opened (The Wizards' Journal #14 - "Flower Power"). The flowers pack flat, either in a top hat or in a bundle to be produced from a silk or a paper cone (The Wizards' Journal #21 "Flowers that Bloom With a Spring" - the e-Book shows the Holmes method of flowers from cone). Since the flowers are not up your sleeve, you should not run the risk of losing an arm in the process. Poinsettias should be large enough to be seen from stage, and fit with the Christmas theme of the play.

You might also want to check out The Wizards' Journal #15 for the "Nutcracker Sentry Box," designed by Jim Gerrish for use in a production of that Ballet.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 23, 2011 10:23AM)
Send a private message or email to Richard Hughes. He is a member here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=3919 He is the king when it comes to flower productions and making them. Be sure to ask him for the link to his video. Good luck.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Nov 23, 2011 12:58PM)
Thank you all for the good info and offers for off-line advice. I will write!

Synopsis of my current plan is:

Drosselmeyer enters.
Greets Mom and Dad.
Introduces Nephew.
With florish, removes Top Hat and Cape. Hand both to Nephew. (aka--Assistant)
Rose Buttoneer to Silk.
Silk produces bouquet.
Hand bouquet to Nephew. Nephew gives bouquet to Clara. (foreshadows Clara and Nutcracker in Act II)
Silk stuffed in tux breast pocket.
Call all the kids over to sit on floor.
Nephew returns to my side with Hat and Cape.
Magic Show for Kids.
Vernet Flowers -- drop in Hat
Silk from tux pocket covers Hat
Flowers vanish from Hat
Vanish the Silk (TT)
Ask two parents at the party to go off stage for my "Box from the Orient" (magic trunk variant?)
Wheeled on
Produce three live size Dolls w/ Pyro flash from the curtained box(3 dancers)
Ta Da!!

I need to strenghten/clean up my technique on the sleeve bouquet, vernet flowers, and palming / misdirection and I might have something that passes for semi-professional magic!! Right now I feel like I am struggling through and although my audience is very enthusiastic and gracious, I want to give them more.

Regards,
--Drosselmeyer

Posted: Nov 27, 2011 2:48pm
Working thru Wizard's 14 and 21. Great stuff! Highly recommended...if you are a Newbie like me... Purchase and download these!
Regards,
Drosselmeyer

Posted: Nov 30, 2011 9:09pm
Wizard's 14 and 21 help me nail it. The technique outlined works very well. I practiced a couple of nights. Used a wooden spoon instead of my bouquet to save on the wear and tear. Then donned the monkey suit and demo'ed for the wife last night.

Her face said it all! Now, keep in mind that she helps me prep for performances and knows all of the tricks that are in my act. So, to see her reaction to my new Sleeve Bouquet technique was awesome!

Thank you folks! Thank you Magic Café!

Now, on to the next improvement...can anyone tell me a really good way to secure in the Sleeve? It can't just be placed there...it needs to be fairly secure so that I can move around on stage a bit before producing. I am thinking about sewing stem in the cuff with a break-away loop or a sleeve inside sleeve...like a storage tube.

Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Nov 30, 2011 08:42PM)
The sleeve in a sleeve sounds like it might work. Don't be afraid to shorten the stem if you have to. Most magicians never do that because their flowers are so expensive, so they just struggle with standard lengths meant for standard arms when they have individual and unique arm lengths. And who says you have to have a big ring on the end? You might nget by with a smaller ring or none at all. I mean, if you can do it with a wooden spoon, what's to stop you?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 30, 2011 10:03PM)
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On 2011-11-30 21:09, Drosselmeyer wrote:
Now, on to the next improvement...can anyone tell me a really good way to secure in the Sleeve? It can't just be placed there...it needs to be fairly secure so that I can move around on stage a bit before producing. I am thinking about sewing stem in the cuff with a break-away loop or a sleeve inside sleeve...like a storage tube.
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Use Abbotts Bouquet Holder Body: http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Bouquet-Holder-Body-ABBbqthodrbody.htm
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Nov 30, 2011 10:20PM)
Hi Spellbinder,
I have started gimmicking my tux coat this year to attempt to make my productions, sleights, and loads smoother. Just wondering if there is a standard gimmick technique for stowing the big ol' "feather duster" (hoping this level of detail/discussion is not verboten on open forum for such a basic level trick). So I guess I'll start sewing sleeves!
Thanks,
--Drosselmeyer

Posted: Nov 30, 2011 11:44pm
@Dynamike...Cool! That may be the way to go--it kind of looks like the sleeve within the sleeve that I imagined. Thank you! Do they make stuff like that for other gimmicks? I am sewing loops of black elastic in key spots.
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 1, 2011 03:58AM)
It does have elastic in it already at one end. You might want to purchase one of those first so you can examine it real good if you want to make more. They are only $5. The larger ones are only $7.50. Abbotts' Magic Shop do sell a book about many ways of producing feather flowers, taking care of feathered flowers, etc. The author is David Ginn. It highly recommended if you prefer to produce multiple ones.

Abbotts Magic Shop makes holders for all kinds of gimmicks like balls, coins, etc.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 1, 2011 12:38PM)
Abbott's is recommending the large for my budget bouquet (10 blossom cloth and silk). So I will go for that. I found they have a dual clip w/integrated safety pin holder that is universal. Did not see any others. I would like to secret Vernet flower holder, Flashers, TT, and rose...so not sure how this one will work. Thanks for pointing me there.
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Dec 1, 2011 07:21PM)
I hope you will be able to video your portion of the scene so we can see how it turns out, even if you have to silence the music for copyright considerations.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 1, 2011 08:51PM)
I've been thinking about doing something. Does the Café have a facility for posting videos?
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Dec 2, 2011 01:00PM)
Post it on YouTube, then post the link for us to go and visit it.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 2, 2011 07:53PM)
OK guys, I will...but it will take me a few weeks to get the video after the performances. Thanks again for the help.
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 5, 2011 10:54AM)
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On 2011-12-01 21:51, Drosselmeyer wrote:
I've been thinking about doing something. Does the Café have a facility for posting videos?
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
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Yes. "You Oughta Be In Pictures": http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=217&30584
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 6, 2011 06:29AM)
The Abbot's Holder Body is here! It is very helpful (if somewhat expensive) but the real value I think is as you say Dynamike...armed with this new info, I am thoroughly capable of customizing or making my own.It is somewhat tight for my bouquet. Flowers take a beating getting loaded and are compressed so tightly that you lose some expansion . Still a great gimmick!
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Dec 7, 2011 09:40AM)
I don't think you have time to do all of you need to do at this point to make it right. I provided many effects for various nutcrackers over the years.

Might I suggest that you look at some of my You tube videos. I also sell a dvd of my lecture on feather flowers at the magic Castle.

I have a different way of making a bouquet holder that works better. You can get the details off the tape. It will also help to get a good bouquet. Cheap ones are bulky and do not expand much as you have learned.

After the holidays or if you have a specific question contact me.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 7, 2011 01:17PM)
Thanks Richard!
What I have now is defintely an improvement over years past...so I am pleased. I am already thinking about next year...so I might be calling on you! Thanks again.
Regards,
--Drosselmeyer
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 7, 2011 08:08PM)
Drosselmeyer, I believe the solution for your bouquet of flowers production is simply the Pat Page Feather Flower Production. This is a bare hand production that only takes an hour or so of practice.

If your flowers are losing feathers, then try losing the elastic more on the opening of the sleeve holder. As Richard Hughes said, better quality flowers will work better. Abbott's flowers and Richard Hughes flowers are some of the best in the world.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 7, 2011 08:43PM)
Thank you...I really appreciate all the feedback and advice.

I have locked the set for this year and cannot ( or should not! ) change anything more at this time. Upgrading flowers is definitely on the plans for next year. Have three rehearsals and one dress before opening night!!! So just a little more time to polish it.

Believe it or not...I am pretty much going to achieve the routine I outline at the beginning of the thread. The only magic that survives from previous years is the 3 Person Cabinet. So I am very, very pleased to have updated my act!

I am using:
--Hugmagic's idea for 'Rose Boutonniere to silk'. (gleaned from another thread)
--Wizard Journal's production technique for Sleeve Bouquet. (Wows compared to what I used to do)
--DynaMike's advice on the Abbot body holder. (OK, Abbot's body holder compacts, but the added confidence is worth it!)
--Dollar store Rose that I deconstructed/reconstructed w/ ping pong ball to make my own 'silk back to rose' gimmick.

Cannot thank The Magic Café enough! This is a great forum.
Message: Posted by: Jimmy Joza (Dec 8, 2011 08:03AM)
Bill's recommendation of Pat Page's Bouquet production is really good suggestion. It takes some practice but is well worth it. If I don't use this production I use Richard Hughes' Hoopla Production. I have bee doing it for the past 7 years ad it always gets a good reaction. Here is a link to a thread on The Café about the Hoopla Production (you will see a link to a YouTube video of this production).

BTW, Richard also sells fabic bouquet holders with the elastic.

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 8, 2011 09:45PM)
Hi,
I did modify my original routine based on feedback and info offered. The Wizard Journal offered a bare-handed three bouquet production. Was this Patrick Page's? Dunno. But it killed when I demo'ed in front of the wife. So I am using that method for producing one bouquet, not three.

So the final set is:

Drosselmeyer enters.
Greets Mom and Dad.
Introduces Nephew.
Removes Cape and folds. Hand to Nephew. (aka--Assistant)
Bare handed production of Bouquet (Patrick Page technique?)
Hand bouquet to Nephew. Nephew gives bouquet to Clara. (foreshadows Clara and Nutcracker in Act II)
Call all the kids over to sit on floor for a magic show.
Nephew returns to my side with Cape.
Perform a magic Show for Kids.
Remove Top Hat and hand to nephew.
Vernet Flowers -- drop in Hat
Buttoneer to silk
Silk covers Hat
Flowers vanish from Hat
transform silk to rose
Rose is returned to buttoneer.
Ask two parents at the party to go off stage for my "Box from the Orient" (3 Person Cabinet)
Produce 3 dancing dolls from Cabinet w/ fire/flash

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 15, 2011 11:17PM)
Last rehearshal was disaster!!! Arrrgh! Dress rehearshal was just Ok .... Opening night tomorrow!!
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Dec 16, 2011 05:00PM)
Practice! Practice! Practice!
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 17, 2011 12:36AM)
Hit it! For some reason this is my MO. Bad Dress Rehearshal...good performance.

Opening night went well. No issues on timing or routining. Artistic Director said it was "Very Nice! Very Smooth" Thanks for the help and advice Guys!

@Spellbinder...yes, absolutely right. Practice Practice Practice! Spent today in front of the video camera and practicing with the music. This helped a lot.

I threw out the Abbot's body load and made my own this week. Re-worked my silk-rose gimmicks.

Cabinet production drew good feedback. But, you know what killed? Cresey throw coils! Wow'ed them. Had some problems on some angles and I willl need to fix them, but otherwise...everything went well!
Message: Posted by: rsylvester (Dec 17, 2011 06:44PM)
That's why they call it rehearsal. The show is what matters. Congratulations. You worked through it. I can't wait to see the video clip. Spellbinder's technique of making realistic flowers is awesome. Glad it worked out for you. And the coils doesn't surprise me. Sometimes it's the simplest things that create the "wow" moments.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Dec 17, 2011 11:04PM)
One Matinee and one evening today...both went well!!! I hope to post video from last year and this year once I get access and approval. Kind of a before and after Magic Café if you will.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Mar 4, 2012 08:54PM)
Hey Everyone...Just purchased Richard Hughes' Magic Café Lecture on Sleeve Bouquets. Entitled: "Feather Flowers. Flash...Color. New Exiting Ways to Use Your Sleeve Bouquets" Richard presents some very practical information and demonstrations. There is one bare handed production in his attached demonstration videos that will simply blow your socks off. Highly Recommended!!!
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Mar 5, 2012 01:41PM)
I would recommend his DVD too.
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Mar 6, 2012 07:39PM)
@Dynamike . . . Sorry for the ambiguity, I meant DVD Lecture! Richard's DVD records his lecture at the Magic Castle.