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Topic: Tarot Readers ?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 9, 2012 12:09AM)
If I may ask...
Do your sitters feel they have not been given a true reading,if you only use the Majors?

Or,do you feel a better reading to the sitter,'MUST' be made with a complete deck?

Gary
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jan 9, 2012 12:21AM)
I'd say there are many kinds of readings for many different situations.

The "truth" of a reading is in the Reader.
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Jan 9, 2012 01:44AM)
Dmoses said it.

I feel that if you can give a good solid reading with only the Trumps then it is not an issue.
If I were to do this (and I sometimes do) I would have an explanation for it, just so that I could explain why if I was asked.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 9, 2012 02:02AM)
Thanks Guys!
I was curious to the clients that go to readers often,what they look for,or are use to.
I understand it is the reader that makes it,what it is!
I also understand a reader with that something different will get more participants at a Psychic Fair as well! I have seen this!

I was kind of looking at what way may be better, from taking a reading into a effect! (not to offend readers!)
Message: Posted by: Jon_Thompson (Jan 9, 2012 03:35AM)
I tend to use the major arcana instead of the whole deck and I've never had any complaints.
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 9, 2012 04:10AM)
There's no right or wrong - do whatever feels right for you.

The full 78 cards may give more depth to the reading, particularly if you're doing an in-depth reading lasting 30 - 60 minutes. I would tend to use just the majors in a walk-around situation where I'm Mr. Punchy & UP-Beat. If I was doing a private sitting I would feel happier that I had the full deck at my disposal.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 9, 2012 08:25AM)
Thanks, Jon and Paul!
I will be using only the Majors then.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Jan 9, 2012 09:10AM)
Tarot is my major source of my business. PM me if you wish an idea or two? And tell me what cards you have.
Message: Posted by: solarzar (Jan 9, 2012 09:41AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 03:02, Godzilla wrote:
I also understand a reader with that something different will get more participants at a Psychic Fair as well! I have seen this![/quote]

Just using the Major Arcana may not satisfy this issue at the Psychic Fairs. At the fairs I work readers are labelled by their divination tool with a brief write up about the reader. As already mentioned what will make you unique is what you say you do with your readings.

Just my thoughts, Solarzar
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 9, 2012 10:03AM)
With all due respect to all who have replied...
I am not looking for a quick fix,and plan on running out and doing tomorrow!
Just trying to get some good advice on the direction to take! :)
This will be a long learning process for me!

Gary
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 9, 2012 10:07AM)
Enrique and I discuss this very topic quite often and in fact some these discussions appear in the film. For the record he feels, and I'm beginning to agree, that a solid and very useful reading can be had with majors only. So you're in good company if you head in this direction

As far as the sitters are concerned, they want advice and some sort of direction. The Major Arcana offers this
Message: Posted by: Jon_Thompson (Jan 9, 2012 10:29AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 11:03, Godzilla wrote:
With all due respect to all who have replied...
I am not looking for a quick fix,and plan on running out and doing tomorrow!
Just trying to get some good advice on the direction to take! :)
This will be a long learning process for me!

Gary
[/quote]
I started out by just learning the major arcana then added the minor as I got more au fait with the cards. I usually just perform short readings so I usually separate off the major and explain what I'm doing. If I were reading for money, I'd be giving value upon value and using everything at my disposal!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 9, 2012 10:35AM)
I always used to just use the major arcana... but nowadays I use drawings instead and my own little systems...

though, there will always be a fascination and a draw for me, towards an elegant set of tarot...
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 9, 2012 10:43AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 11:35, IAIN wrote:
I always used to just use the major arcana... but nowadays I use drawings instead and my own little systems...

though, there will always be a fascination and a draw for me, towards an elegant set of tarot...
[/quote]



There is other avenues if divination I predict in my futuure...
Just mainly starting to get my feet wet! :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 9, 2012 10:48AM)
If you plucked three paperbacks out of a bookshop at random, do you think you could roughly guess at the contents of each judging it by the cover, the title and so on? then what relationship does the first book have to the next? what are the similarities and the differences? what does it mean to you after finishing book A, to move onto book B? and so on...

major arcana are all that's needed in my humble opinion...
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jan 9, 2012 10:51AM)
It all depends on how you read.

For me, restricting my tarot readings to just the Major s would be like painting with a 6" brush. The main composition, shapes, and colors would be there, what would be missing is much of the detail and fine points.

I moved from another deck oracle to the tarot, I was never restricted to using just the Minors.

Then again, a reader can read with anything, or nothing.

Tony
Message: Posted by: mota (Jan 9, 2012 10:59AM)
Many European readers use only the majors. You can do a very deep (and long) reading with majors only. The books "Bauta" by Scott Grossberg and "Tarot and the Hero's Journey" by Hajo Banzhaf can take you very deep in to these cards (as can the book that comes with the Mythic Tarot...learn the Greek myths that come with each major arcana card). Add to that the standard meanings you can find everywhere and you can go as deep as you want.

One example...use a seven card horseshoe and put two cards in each position. The positions from 1-7 are the past, leaving your life right now, the unknown (a part of the inner you), the unexpected (a suprise), the gateway (the lesson you need to learn), the near future, and the further future.

With two cards in each position the top one is what is apparent, the bottom is a hidden influence. You also can read the "space" between these cards...what is the story of how they come together? Just having major arcana doesn't matter...the permutations are practically endless, as are the ways they work together. In addition, as the cards are interpreted within the context of the sitter's question there is endless variety.

The future is easy to tell...it will be the same as the past if you change nothing. The players and locations in your life may change, but your inner emotional experience will be the same. The magick of tarot isn't in telling the future, that part is easy...it is in offering you alternative paths and new ways of thinking you might consider.

These are just suggestions...there are many, many approaches to using the majors only. If you wish to do this I encourage you to go for it.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 9, 2012 11:47AM)
I usually use the majors only - and have the minor nearby - sometimes - just sometimes, I break them out as part of the Major card reading to add a detail or two - I am doing a modified Bauta style reading sort of thing. Usually, I get by with the Majors but I mostly just do short readings of 15-20 minutes.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Jan 9, 2012 11:52AM)
OK I have a stupid Tarot newbie question.

Is there a trick here?

Can you guys recommend a Tarot routine that crosses the line into card magic?

Thanks...
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 9, 2012 12:00PM)
Persoanlly speaking, tarot cards are for readings, playing cards are for tricks. Not wanting to sound too precious about it all, but I really wouldn't want to start doing tricks with the tarot. It would feel like I was devaluing them.

That does sound a little pretentious doesn't it? Apologies. :)
Message: Posted by: Joshua J (Jan 9, 2012 12:22PM)
I agree with Paul that tricks aren't a good way to go. Few things are as strong as a good reading. There was one recently by TC Tahoe, possibly in the mystic menagerie that could enhance a reading, but its not something I feel is necessary.

As for using just majors there isn't a right or wrong choice. I do readings both ways depending on the situation and the experience I'm aiming to create.
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jan 9, 2012 02:05PM)
I don't even use a standard tarot deck...

My deck is unique and my clients love it.

Agree with most of what has been posted -- but the true value in your readings is working with YOU. Tarot is not a good business if you just want to make a buck...but if you want to affect change and help people move in a positive direction -- it's for you. If you feel you can do that -- use what ever cards/deck/spread/ etc you wish. Just be kind, cautious, and caring when you read.

Best.

J
Message: Posted by: solarzar (Jan 9, 2012 02:36PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 15:05, Jay Are wrote:
Agree with most of what has been posted -- but the true value in your readings is working with YOU. Tarot is not a good business if you just want to make a buck...but if you want to affect change and help people move in a positive direction -- it's for you. If you feel you can do that -- use what ever cards/deck/spread/ etc you wish. Just be kind, cautious, and caring when you read.
[/quote]

Here, Here! The reading is the reading, what you use to get there is a tool to help you provide the service. Love what you shared.

Just my thoughts, Solarzar
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 9, 2012 04:22PM)
I guess I'm quite traditional, I always use a full deck when doing readings. I don't think I'd ever perform an 'effect' with Tarot. I don't want them associated with anything that may be perceived as a trick.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 10, 2012 09:11AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 11:59, mota wrote:

The future is easy to tell...it will be the same as the past if you change nothing. The players and locations in your life may change, but your inner emotional experience will be the same. The magick of tarot isn't in telling the future, that part is easy...it is in offering you alternative paths and new ways of thinking you might consider.





Mota, these few sentences have really struck a note with me!

There has been some very helpful replies in this thread! :)

Thanks,
Gary
Message: Posted by: scathmadre (Jan 10, 2012 06:39PM)
Sheesh Mota, you sounded like Umbrae there for a second (LOL).
If you went for a reading on the continent before the mid-seventies, you'd have gotten a reading with Majors-Only. That was the norm.
Etteilla and Levi were considered esotericists, and largely ignored by readers.
Waite popularized the 78-card approach, and the marketing of Stuart Kaplan (USG) sealed the deal in the 70's.
So either approach is correct. Depending on the context of your character.
IRL, I use both.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Jan 10, 2012 08:15PM)
Can you guys recommend some good Tarot decks?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 10, 2012 08:35PM)
Try this:
http://www.aeclectic.net
Message: Posted by: Jeff Christensen (Jan 11, 2012 01:07AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 17:22, kinesis wrote:
I guess I'm quite traditional, I always use a full deck when doing readings. I don't think I'd ever perform an 'effect' with Tarot. I don't want them associated with anything that may be perceived as a trick.
[/quote]

Isn't cold reading considered a "trick"?
Message: Posted by: Great Wally (Jan 11, 2012 01:33AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-11 02:07, Jeff Christensen wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 17:22, kinesis wrote:
I guess I'm quite traditional, I always use a full deck when doing readings. I don't think I'd ever perform an 'effect' with Tarot. I don't want them associated with anything that may be perceived as a trick.
[/quote]

Isn't cold reading considered a "trick"?
[/quote]

I guess that depends upon your point of view. As a reader, I consider cold reading to be a tool.
Message: Posted by: JohnWells (Jan 11, 2012 01:53AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 11:48, IAIN wrote:
If you plucked three paperbacks out of a bookshop at random, do you think you could roughly guess at the contents of each judging it by the cover, the title and so on? then what relationship does the first book have to the next? what are the similarities and the differences? what does it mean to you after finishing book A, to move onto book B? and so on...

major arcana are all that's needed in my humble opinion...
[/quote]

Possibly the most concise and efficient lesson in reading Tarot I've ever seen. Brilliant.
Message: Posted by: DanHarlan (Jan 11, 2012 11:21AM)
[quote]
Is there a trick here?
[/quote]
While I agree that a "trick" is not necessary to give a Tarot reading, we are posting on The MAGIC Café. My preference is to combine an actual reading technique with a subtle "effect" that gives the impression that I intuitively know something that would be "impossible" to know otherwise. However (for the purists), I should mention that the "effect" I use does not interfere with the reading in any way, thus allowing it to unfold naturally. If you want the full description, it can be found on "Harlan's Premium Blend #6: Good Spirits" entitled "Tarot Mental." Basically, it's an adaptation of a poker-style mental effect, but the sitter will never know that or feel like it's "magic." Rough outline:
Use the Major Arcana and the four Aces (that's 26 cards).
Sitter mixes all, then removes one card and places it face down to the side. This is a card of "mystery," unknown to all.
The remaining 25 are dealt to five positions on a pentacle (Air, Fire, Water, Earth, Spirit) until each element has five cards.
The sitter chooses the element to which they are currently drawn and looks at the five cards there.
From these, the sitter, chooses one of the cards (to which they are currently drawn) as their Significator. They do not tell you which one.
The sitter mixes their five cards, containing the Significator, and replaces them at their chosen element.
The sitter hands the piles to you in any order and you stack them. [Simply remember WHEN they hand you their chosen pile: 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5]
Re-deal the cards to the five elemental positions.
The sitter tells you which position contains their Significator. [At this point you can begin to read based on the element initially chosen and the element where the Significator ends up]
These cards are dealt out face-up: 1)Past, 2)Present, 3)Concern, 4)Positive Influence, 5)Possible Outcome. [Their Significator is in the position corresponding to the number in your mind!]
You may read the cards' positions, relations, patterns, AND you can reveal which card is the Significator and why it is significant in the position it occupies.
To end, I turn the sitter's attention to the card of "mystery" and explain that we must respect the fact that we can never know everything that the universe has in store for us. I return the mystery card to the deck without looking at it or showing it, and I mix the cards. That's it.
--Dan Harlan
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jan 11, 2012 11:31AM)
I like using all the cards because I'm as excited about which ones are going to come up, in combinations I've never seen before, as the sitter.

You could argue that 22 cards is plenty of variety, and it is. But for me more is more.

BUT 22 cards are a lot easier to handle, a lot easier to carry, a lot easier for someone to shuffle in certain situations, and they appear less vague and more direct. This has its uses.
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 11, 2012 01:03PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 01:09, Godzilla wrote:
If I may ask...
Do your sitters feel they have not been given a true reading,if you only use the Majors?
[/quote]


Going back this original question the answer in my opinion, is no. They do not feel cheated. As the reader, YOU are supposed to be the expert, so if the "expert" reads with 22 cards then this is what it is. I doubt the average sitter would even notice you are only using 22 cards.

They just want answers
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jan 11, 2012 01:28PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-11 12:21, DanHarlan wrote:
[quote]
Is there a trick here?
[/quote]
While I agree that a "trick" is not necessary to give a Tarot reading, we are posting on The MAGIC Café. My preference is to combine an actual reading technique with a subtle "effect" that gives the impression that I intuitively know something that would be "impossible" to know otherwise. However (for the purists), I should mention that the "effect" I use does not interfere with the reading in any way, thus allowing it to unfold naturally. If you want the full description, it can be found on "Harlan's Premium Blend #6: Good Spirits" entitled "Tarot Mental." Basically, it's an adaptation of a poker-style mental effect, but the sitter will never know that or feel like it's "magic." Rough outline:
Use the Major Arcana and the four Aces (that's 26 cards).
Sitter mixes all, then removes one card and places it face down to the side. This is a card of "mystery," unknown to all.
The remaining 25 are dealt to five positions on a pentacle (Air, Fire, Water, Earth, Spirit) until each element has five cards.
The sitter chooses the element to which they are currently drawn and looks at the five cards there.
From these, the sitter, chooses one of the cards (to which they are currently drawn) as their Significator. They do not tell you which one.
The sitter mixes their five cards, containing the Significator, and replaces them at their chosen element.
The sitter hands the piles to you in any order and you stack them. [Simply remember WHEN they hand you their chosen pile: 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5]
Re-deal the cards to the five elemental positions.
The sitter tells you which position contains their Significator. [At this point you can begin to read based on the element initially chosen and the element where the Significator ends up]
These cards are dealt out face-up: 1)Past, 2)Present, 3)Concern, 4)Positive Influence, 5)Possible Outcome. [Their Significator is in the position corresponding to the number in your mind!]
You may read the cards' positions, relations, patterns, AND you can reveal which card is the Significator and why it is significant in the position it occupies.
To end, I turn the sitter's attention to the card of "mystery" and explain that we must respect the fact that we can never know everything that the universe has in store for us. I return the mystery card to the deck without looking at it or showing it, and I mix the cards. That's it.
--Dan Harlan
[/quote]

With all due respect Dan ( LOVE RUBBER BAND MAGIC! ) do you read tarot cards?

I'm not sure that the use of tarot needs to be trivialized by making it part of a card trick...they should always be seperate IMHO...

J
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 11, 2012 01:31PM)
Dan's answer was part of the direction of my original post! :)
But,after all the replies and PM's ,I now want to become a reader of Tarot as something I can use alone as well!
I can't list a thank you to all,it would take forever!
I would also like to note all the positive on this thread...And,this is in 'Penny' too! lol
I have had one'Good Sir' take the time to write a study plan,and a learning format! This was a well thought out course!
I am serious about this,several training pages and practices! You know who you are... I thank you!
So with that being said...
You have been a great bunch of Gents!

Gary
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Jan 11, 2012 01:37PM)
Richard Webster has a number of excellent (and free) essays on this topic that would be very helpful to a beginning reader. They can be found [url=http://www.deceptionary.com/content-i.html]here[/url].

And of course Richard is also a source of what many consider the very best books for neophyte readers.
Message: Posted by: DanHarlan (Jan 11, 2012 05:17PM)
[quote]
With all due respect Dan ( LOVE RUBBER BAND MAGIC! ) do you read tarot cards?
I'm not sure that the use of tarot needs to be trivialized by making it part of a card trick...they should always be seperate IMHO...
[/quote]
Thank you for the respect, I do appreciate it. Yes, I read tarot. That is why I specifically designed my approach to trivialize the "trick" in favor of the reading... and not the other way around. What I have given you is a unique layout that mixes elemental archetypes with classical tarot, guided by the sitter's personal choice and influenced by our random existence. In addition to that, I've given you the ability to do what no other tarot reader can do -- know, without question, EXACTLY what significator your sitter has secretly chosen. The trick is nothing. Really. Nothing.

You could simply ask the sitter what card they chose, and they would tell you. In fact, all I do is say, "Your Significator is here among these 5 cards. You don't have to tell me which one it is, because I sense that you're focussing most of your energy on 'the problem' which is why your significator is here in the position of conflict. Let me tell you what that means..." You see... there is no effect in the traditional "magic" sense, but something happens.

I leave it up to you to imagine what might be happening in your sitter's mind. I don't think they're consciously aware that anything out of the ordinary has transpired. To them, I have strong intuitive powers. Fortunately, for me, I do! I'm quite intuitive, but I wouldn't ALWAYS know which card with precision. My matter-of-fact, nonchalance about "knowing" their card reminds me that I am merely a "reader" and all I know about them is what the cards tell me. In this way, I am able to suppress my ego and read without attachment, but with compassion.

I just didn't put all of that into my first post since somebody just asked if there was a trick. I figured I could demonstrate how to properly integrate the sleazy world of deception into the pure art of tarot. But, perhaps you are right, perhaps they should "always be separate." In my experience, they get along pretty well, but I am very careful master/student. Now, regarding mixing rubberbands and tarot... don't get me started!
--Dan Harlan
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jan 11, 2012 05:25PM)
Dan:

Thank you for a great set of posts.

Tony
Message: Posted by: tctahoe (Jan 11, 2012 07:16PM)
I second Tony's Thank you to Dan.

PS Tony, love your signature.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 11, 2012 07:42PM)
Dan-

I, too, generally keep effects separate from readings. (Although I see no problem having the sitter writing a question down prior to the reading in order to focus their thoughts. :eek:)

Yours, though, has an organic feeling to it that I don't think takes away from the reading at all. Thanks for posting it. Very nice.

Best-

Bob
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jan 11, 2012 09:03PM)
Yes Dan -- thank you as well. Once again, meant no disrespect -- just wanted to dig a bit deeper.

J
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jan 11, 2012 10:34PM)
Dan,
Hope to see you make another swing by Norris's in the coming year!

~G
Message: Posted by: Jon_Thompson (Jan 12, 2012 04:24AM)
I adapted the Si Stebbins stack for the tarot deck in my book Stripped and Stacked, but its not really an effect as such - more about showing that you're in tune with the cards before the sitter shuffles and you begin properly.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jan 12, 2012 04:34AM)
I'm loving this thread.

just got a set of only major.
and today Vitruvian square book and cloth

I think I have a lot of learning to do

steve
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 12, 2012 06:34AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-12 05:34, steveline wrote:
I'm loving this thread.

just got a set of only major.
and today Vitruvian square book and cloth

I think I have a lot of learning to do

steve
[/quote]


Which deck did you get?
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 12, 2012 06:44AM)
I never saw a need to mix and match tarot with trickery, or to routine my tarot readings for a desired effect. The effect of a genuine tarot reading seems strong enough. However, I do like the ideas put out in The Magicians Guide to Palm Reading which of course, can be applied to tarot
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jan 12, 2012 06:51AM)
Vernon, I can't recall the name off the top of my head.
they were from a Canadian guy. There was some talk of them on here but a quick search didn't bring anything up.

Oversized, aged, marked and nice images

I'll look when I get home later

steve
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jan 12, 2012 09:02AM)
Vernon, I just checked.
This is what I got

http://www.darcylogan.ca/Tarot.html


steve
Message: Posted by: solarzar (Jan 12, 2012 09:17AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-11 18:17, DanHarlan wrote:
Now, regarding mixing rubberbands and tarot... don't get me started!
--Dan Harlan
[/quote]

I admit I'm a sucker for rubberbands mixed with tarot, just not the other way around. :)

Just my thoughts, Solarzar
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jan 12, 2012 09:30AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-11 02:07, Jeff Christensen wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-01-09 17:22, kinesis wrote:
I guess I'm quite traditional, I always use a full deck when doing readings. I don't think I'd ever perform an 'effect' with Tarot. I don't want them associated with anything that may be perceived as a trick.
[/quote]

Isn't cold reading considered a "trick"?
[/quote]

No.

When you 'perform' an effect with Tarot, the outcome is always the same.

If you read Tarot, you don't just cold read. You learn to go with your intuition, you learn to trust your subconscious. You learn to allow your imagination and gut instincts to lead the way (without fear). No two readings are ever the same. The same card rarely means the same thing twice.

Derek
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 12, 2012 09:59AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-12 10:02, steveline wrote:
Vernon, I just checked.
This is what I got

http://www.darcylogan.ca/Tarot.html


steve
[/quote]


Ah... beautiful. Good luck with those
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 12, 2012 10:32AM)
My personal point on view is why would you want to mix a "trick" (for want of a better word) with a tarot reading? The reading in and of itself should be a personal journey of discovery for your sitter with you acting as guide. Imagine if she suspected that the demonstration of "intuitive ability" (the trick) was indeed a trick. In her mind that would mean that the whole reading was just a trick. It would undermine everything. And if at the start of the reading you demonstrate amazing intuitive prowess by correctly divining the card she cut to (or similar), then why aren't you able to keep up that level of intuition throughout the reading?

Personally speaking, and this is just my point of view - I totally understand people disagreeing(!), I don't see the need to involve any kind of trickery with a reading. I far prefer to just concentrate on providing a great, up-lifting reading.

But each to their own, and as long as we approach the reading with a good heart and with good intentions then we are all doing a good thing.
Message: Posted by: DanHarlan (Jan 12, 2012 12:53PM)
Tony, TC and Bob: You're welcome, and I'm thrilled that you like it... even though I've trivialized the trick. FYI, my simple layout and procedure yeilds 31,574,400,000 possible distinct outcomes: 5 beginning elements x 5 ending elements x 26 possible cards in first position x 2 (upright/inverted) x 25 x 2 x 24 x 2 x 23 x 2 x 22 x 2 (for all positions) x 5 for position of significator. But, who really cares?

Jay: No disrespect taken... in fact, I'm glad you were able to dig through my hardened crust to reveal a smidge of my nougat.

Vernon, kinesis and Voodini: You are correct. There is no need to mix trickery with tarot or cold reading. In fact, there is no need to mix cold reading with tarot... or elemental magick... or numerology. But I did it anyway.

solarzar: Rubberbands and tarot. We're both so silly... let's go for it! PURISTS BEWARE: DO NOT CONTINUE READING THIS! Following all of your readings, wrap a rubberband around your deck and ask a few "observers" to place their hands on the deck (and each other). Say, "The card which speaks to me... my Significator... is the Wheel of Fortune. And, just like the famous game show, it reminds us that one minute you're up and the next you're down. The wheel continues to turn. This too will pass. If you accept that your journey is a mixture of fate and free will... let go, if you dare." Gesture for them to release the deck. When they do, the deck will spin like a wheel and the Wheel of Fortune will be sticking out of it crosswise and face-up. Begin handing out your business cards. Now, that's a trick!

I warned you not to read it. You can't un-read it. Perhaps it's best to ignore me.
--Dan Harlan
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 13, 2012 06:00AM)
To be honest, I'm not sure why I'm being all purist. Palm reading combined with a simple piece of card magic paid my mortgage for a year thanks to the wedding circuit - for those of you who have Reader of Minds, you'll know the routine. So on second thoughts, go for it! :)
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 13, 2012 07:03AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-13 07:00, Voodini wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure why I'm being all purist. Palm reading combined with a simple piece of card magic paid my mortgage for a year thanks to the wedding circuit - for those of you who have Reader of Minds, you'll know the routine. So on second thoughts, go for it! :)
[/quote]

I was wondering why you were being a "purist", having just read your Magicians Guide to Palm Reading :) I picked this up from Lybrary the other night and have been working hard on it
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 13, 2012 07:18AM)
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I was wondering why you were being a "purist", having just read your Magicians Guide to Palm Reading :) I picked this up from Lybrary the other night and have been working hard on it
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Sometimes I don't even know who I am! :)