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Topic: Stopping smoking as entertainment
Message: Posted by: Voodini (Jan 16, 2012 12:12PM)
My parents went to see a stage hypnotist back in the 1960's. Apparently part of his act was to take a smoker on to stage and "cure him". This was purely using techniques that we would these days class as hypnotherapy, however back in the less PC days of the 60's this was part of an evening's entertainment. Since hearing this story I have had a little niggle in my brain telling me there may be some mileage in this idea if scripted and presented properly. Would love to hear your thoughts??

Incidently, on the same evening a friend of my parents was taken onto stage as a volunteer. He had an abreaction and apparently turned flourescent green before passing out. According to my parents the hypnotist was most afeared. However it ended well enough, and the friend returned to health after an hour or so! :)
Message: Posted by: Danyel (Jan 16, 2012 12:24PM)
It's strange, Paul -a person I know (in her fifties) refuses abruptly to witness even the most innocent thing I do -she literally went into another room when one day I did a routine with the Zener cards to a common friend- on the grounds that she was traumatized by an event very similar to the one you just described -family friend, green, fainted, ohmygod, etc.

What the heck did they do, those 1960's hypnotists? :lol: :hypnodisk: :lol: :hypnodisk: :lol:
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jan 16, 2012 12:58PM)
What I don't understand is how 'what happened in the 60's' could be any worse, or better, than what happens now? Simply because you can say what you want and use whatever language you like, but some people just don't get along with this stuff. Apart from being slightly more careful in the selection process, what else can you do?
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 16, 2012 04:28PM)
Paul, I saw it done in the late seventies. Paul Goldin - an appalling therapeutic hypnotist but a genius on the stage - used to promise to cure people of phobias, help them stop smoking, improve their memories, and lose weight, if they volunteered for the stage show. I considered that, even as a young teen, to be sly and nasty.

However I think the idea is a great one.

At two recent shows, both in country pubs with middle-aged audiences, I was asked by volunteers if I could help them quit smoking. It is not a thing I am an expert on, but like most of us I have read up on NLP Swish Patterns, etc, so I included the appropriate suggestions as a piece near the end. I think it fascinated the audience (I invited any members of the audience interested to close their eyes and go along with the visualisations). It might have helped some, I don't know. But I think it was a positive addition to the evening.

At the moment I am preparing a new show for touring. The first half will be Q&A, the second hypnosis. Because of the first half, I am aiming at a different audience than the drunken students. And I am seriously considering a phobia cure or smoking cessation as part of the second half. I think it is a very good idea.
Message: Posted by: Danyel (Jan 16, 2012 04:36PM)
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On 2012-01-16 13:58, bevbevvybev wrote:
What I don't understand is how 'what happened in the 60's' could be any worse, or better, than what happens now? Simply because you can say what you want and use whatever language you like, but some people just don't get along with this stuff. Apart from being slightly more careful in the selection process, what else can you do?
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Bev, I'm surprised by your tone -or simply there is a mutual misunderstanding. Maybe this reference can help?
From the Collins English Dictionary:

Irony (aIrənI)
Definitions
noun
1) the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean
2) an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality
3) incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jan 16, 2012 05:32PM)
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Message: Posted by: Danyel (Jan 16, 2012 06:50PM)
OH, MY! talk about misunderstanding...
Bev, your

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On 2012-01-16 18:32, bevbevvybev wrote:
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was a well deserved one. I can only invoke the flu and refer to the clemency of the Court. When I first read

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On 2012-01-16 13:58, bevbevvybev wrote:
What I don't understand is how 'what happened in the 60's' could be any worse, or better, than what happens now? Simply because you can say what you want and use whatever language you like, but some people just don't get along with this stuff. Apart from being slightly more careful in the selection process, what else can you do?
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I understood that you were stigmatizing the ironic tone of both mine and Paul's posts. And moreover, insisting in my dumbness, I misinterpreted the last sentence as if you were inviting us in being more careful in not selecting only examples of bad professional behaviour... OH, MY! Sorry, man.

Better for me to go to bed, bros... :sick: :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jan 16, 2012 07:15PM)
I have no idea what is going on. Carry on! :)
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Jan 17, 2012 12:55AM)
Well...check out Stop Smoking Mentalism for a wonderful routine...

Dr Todd
Message: Posted by: Rebecca_Harris (Jan 17, 2012 06:22AM)
I think it's a great idea. There are plenty of people who struggle to give up smoking so I'd bet you'd get a ton of people interested in taking up the offer. For the audience, I think it'd be fascinating to watch how a 40 a day smoker is cured of the habit. Give it a go, I say :)
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jan 17, 2012 07:11AM)
Uri Gellar does it as part of his stage show / evening with...

I saw it in Mansfield, was quite matter of fact with it all...
Message: Posted by: Scott M (Jan 17, 2012 08:34AM)
Doesn't Anthony Robbins do this in his events? If you pull up a victom mentality smoker the past isues and current reasons of why they numb themself with tobacco may rise, so selecting a participant requires skill of which you have I am sure.
I remember seeing a Richard Bandler youtube clip of him regressing people to access a childlike state to then create art and was done in front of a group and very educational AND entertaining.

This is an artform I call Transformational Entertainment and something I am personally doing and found to be unique and in demand. I use it to create situations where we learn about our self, each other and in the process learn about each other in an entertaining way. Their perception changes and therefore this is MY definition of Transformation.

So I am with you on having a person experience change in an entertaining way...and the participant HAS to be ready for it. You also put yourself out there for if it LASTS. Yet, you are covered if it doesn't as it was somthing entertaining to participate in. I am not a counselor or therapist so I cant use those labels in my premise. I personally have Life Experience and only share what I have learned and used for me and those wishing to do the same or something like it. Most of the time I use these concepts to open doors and have the client come to their own realizations in an entertaining way.

Scott M
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jan 17, 2012 10:25AM)
I think the thing to remember is that this is primarily a SHOW, and not therapeutic. Sure, you can wipe out a desire to smoke or do a fast phobia fix. Because it is a show, however, it doesn't matter if it lasts. The goal is to be entertaining, not fix a complaint. Most of the people won't ever meet the person "cured" again so whether it lasts is irrelevant. If you are ethical and trained (not simply an IROB who thinks I Read One Book and now I'm an expert!) you might quietly tell the person that for permanent change they should see a professional hypnotherapist. If you're staying in the area you might even offer that person permanent changework for a reduced fee or even for free, writing it off as publicity.
Message: Posted by: Al Straker (Jan 17, 2012 09:56PM)
Haim Goldenberg has a fantastic quit smoking routine on Between 2 Minds set, can't recall which disc specifically.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Jan 18, 2012 04:50AM)
Interesting idea. I can stop a cigarette craving in about 30 seconds without hypnosis and I could well include it as part of a mind power routine. It wouldn't make the specatator a non-smoker, though and I certainly wouldn't claim any long-term benefits.

I think I'd be more likely to use something a bit less important, like a chocolate craving.

Barry
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jan 18, 2012 02:53PM)
I'm with dmkraig and Barry. very easy to do on stage and, although it CAN last forever, it's for entertainment purposes only and will suffice long enough till the applause dies down.
Barry is also correct in that no trance is necessary, however many believe that the induction is all part of the jolurney :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 18, 2012 03:06PM)
Could you squeeze out a living and dead test using one real cigarette and 4 chocolate ones?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 18, 2012 03:30PM)
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On 2012-01-18 16:06, IAIN wrote:
Could you squeeze out a living and dead test using one real cigarette and 4 chocolate ones?
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I do a more entertaining one with four roll-your-own cigarettes and one joint.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 18, 2012 03:37PM)
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On 2012-01-18 16:30, mastermindreader wrote:
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On 2012-01-18 16:06, IAIN wrote:
Could you squeeze out a living and dead test using one real cigarette and 4 chocolate ones?
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I do a more entertaining one with four roll-your-own cigarettes and one joint.
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"and so you've got the...hah...you've got the..hah ha ha what was I saying? where'd all these cigarettes come from?"
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Jan 18, 2012 03:41PM)
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On 2012-01-17 22:56, Al Straker wrote:
Haim Goldenberg has a fantastic quit smoking routine on Between 2 Minds set, can't recall which disc specifically.

Yes, I recall that one. Very sneaky, but good.